Shield breaker - are you kidding????

Erudition · September 2015

Okay so i started a thread about this and got nowhere but this needs to get fixed.

The weak players who cried about good sorcs have ruined it for all sorcs. Meanwhile good nb's dk's and temp's are having a party.

Shield breaker is an absolute joke combined with the bolt escape nerf and the shield nerf. Good sorcs are useless this patch against that stupidly ill-conceived set.

Last time i raised this a whole heap of useless nb forum warriors (who cant even play well when they are op) pretending to be sorcs disagreed with me (what a joke that was).

If you are going to have a shield breaker set please make a cloak breaker set, a wing breaker set and a jabs breaker (with crazy heals) set.

This game is stupidly biased against sorcs and we need to get this fixed fast or 25% of the players in this game will eventually quit.

I personally can live with it because i have all 3 other classses and can play them if needed but my first love was sorc and it has been rekked by the stupid cry babies on these forums who have overnerfed sorcs by a mile. As for you sorcs who lets this happen and didnt get involved shame on you and please get focused now.

Eru

ericprydz82ub17_ESO · September 2015

I am sadly one of the sorcs that did not speak my mind soon enough and now I can see what others were saying. That 5pc set is a bit over the top. I can understand having some kind of counter to sorcs and shields as a whole but that set is unreal and needs to be reworked or toned down a lot more than where it is at now.

Just my 2 cents from someone that enjoys this game a ton and loves his main enough to chime in here.

TheArchitects · September 2015

Cant wait until console sorcs start crying as well.

Did you know you have PLENTY of skills designed fighting against NBs. And dont forget detect potions and every aoe skill.

Now, where are the skills that are designed to fight against shield stacking?

We have to use our 5 piece set bonus for that. I have NOT tested this myself yet but what I have seen, it doesnt seem to be op.Seems that sorcs cant rely on healing ward anymore and have to start using other healing skills just like any other classes do. Yeah.. seems really op.

Tonnopesce · September 2015

Finally! the nerf gun has reached the sorcerers!
Don’t complain about NB's, finally (after a year +) the cloak works.
I believe that someone who goes around with a shield breaker set has a "i win" strategy against sorcerers but sucks against the others classes.

Garion · September 2015

NBs have - and always will be - ZOS' favourite class. They have always been the amongst most powerful and have always had the best utility when played effectively. Unfortunately NBs are also the most vocal QQers and therefore anything that doesn't suit them ("hey I can't instakill this sorc QQ") gets cried about on these forums until ZOS nerfs it excessively to satisfy the NB scrubs.

Shields needed tweaking but the shield breaker set is yet another example of a lazy one size fits all solution by ZOS, alongside the streak / block / dodge roll nerfs. At the end of the day they have no real clue about balance / don't have the time or the resources to achieve anything resembling balance so they just change a bunch of stuff so everyone had to relearn the game and when people start to realise things are still in a crap state they will change it all again to throw us off the scent!

Edit / inb4 all the NBs coming in saying this is balanced and needed because they have always been too bad to kill a decent sorc.

silky_soft · September 2015

It was either this or crit shields. To be honest I would rather crit shields. Get over it. As stam I never dodged for days but got punished because others did.

Mr_Koh · September 2015

The shield breaker set is really strong, and while i do think sorc shields should be addressed there is a better way to tweak this set imo. Have it effect the shield itself in a noticeable way. Lets say the the set did 10% more damage to shields ONLY. That way sorcs would have a harder time keeping their shields up against those players since they would keep "breaking" their shields due to more damage, but the sorc would still have outplay potential despite the fact that they're going against a build that in theory counters them

Tonnopesce · September 2015

Garion wrote: »

NBs have - and always will be - ZOS' favourite class. They have always been the amongst most powerful and have always had the best utility when played effectively. Unfortunately NBs are also the most vocal QQers and therefore anything that doesn't suit them ("hey I can't instakill this sorc QQ") gets cried about on these forums until ZOS nerfs it excessively to satisfy the NB scrubs.

Shields needed tweaking but the shield breaker set is yet another example of a lazy one size fits all solution by ZOS, alongside the streak / block / dodge roll nerfs. At the end of the day they have no real clue about balance / don't have the time or the resources to achieve anything resembling balance so they just change a bunch of stuff so everyone had to relearn the game and when people start to realise things are still in a crap state they will change it all again to throw us off the scent!

Edit / inb4 all the NBs coming in saying this is balanced and needed because they have always been too bad to kill a decent sorc.

No one can kill instantly sorcerers this is not a NB's complaint train.
The shield stacking has been abused by every magika sorcerer in the game and the sorcerer class is the most powerful "noob tube" of the game.

Reading from your signature you have become emperor with your sorc and you have tried how it is to be a GOD (30k meteor? 56k soul assault? 16k cristal frag? 2x your life on shields? i believe those numbers are not something strange for you. ) not considering that you are in the banana squad that every member is FAR ABOVE the average player maybe you need to consider that this set has been introduced to deal with someone like you.

Shields need a tweak? we all know that and all the player-base have a lot of solutions but maybe destroy a game-stile is a better solution for them since every magika sorcerer abuse shield stacking.

Valrien · September 2015

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

NBs have - and always will be - ZOS' favourite class. They have always been the amongst most powerful and have always had the best utility when played effectively. Unfortunately NBs are also the most vocal QQers and therefore anything that doesn't suit them ("hey I can't instakill this sorc QQ") gets cried about on these forums until ZOS nerfs it excessively to satisfy the NB scrubs.

Shields needed tweaking but the shield breaker set is yet another example of a lazy one size fits all solution by ZOS, alongside the streak / block / dodge roll nerfs. At the end of the day they have no real clue about balance / don't have the time or the resources to achieve anything resembling balance so they just change a bunch of stuff so everyone had to relearn the game and when people start to realise things are still in a crap state they will change it all again to throw us off the scent!

Edit / inb4 all the NBs coming in saying this is balanced and needed because they have always been too bad to kill a decent sorc.

No one can kill instantly sorcerers this is not a NB's complaint train.
The shield stacking has been abused by every magika sorcerer in the game and the sorcerer class is the most powerful "noob tube" of the game.

Reading from your signature you have become emperor with your sorc and you have tried how it is to be a GOD (30k meteor? 56k soul assault? 16k cristal frag? 2x your life on shields? i believe those numbers are not something strange for you. ) not considering that you are in the banana squad that every member is FAR ABOVE the average player maybe you need to consider that this set has been introduced to deal with someone like you.

Shields need a tweak? we all know that and all the player-base have a lot of solutions but maybe destroy a game-stile is a better solution for them since every magika sorcerer abuse shield stacking.

Everyone has/had the ability to abuse shield stacking :P Not just sorcs.

Tonnopesce · September 2015

Valrien wrote: »

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

NBs have - and always will be - ZOS' favourite class. They have always been the amongst most powerful and have always had the best utility when played effectively. Unfortunately NBs are also the most vocal QQers and therefore anything that doesn't suit them ("hey I can't instakill this sorc QQ") gets cried about on these forums until ZOS nerfs it excessively to satisfy the NB scrubs.

Shields needed tweaking but the shield breaker set is yet another example of a lazy one size fits all solution by ZOS, alongside the streak / block / dodge roll nerfs. At the end of the day they have no real clue about balance / don't have the time or the resources to achieve anything resembling balance so they just change a bunch of stuff so everyone had to relearn the game and when people start to realise things are still in a crap state they will change it all again to throw us off the scent!

Edit / inb4 all the NBs coming in saying this is balanced and needed because they have always been too bad to kill a decent sorc.

No one can kill instantly sorcerers this is not a NB's complaint train.
The shield stacking has been abused by every magika sorcerer in the game and the sorcerer class is the most powerful "noob tube" of the game.

Reading from your signature you have become emperor with your sorc and you have tried how it is to be a GOD (30k meteor? 56k soul assault? 16k cristal frag? 2x your life on shields? i believe those numbers are not something strange for you. ) not considering that you are in the banana squad that every member is FAR ABOVE the average player maybe you need to consider that this set has been introduced to deal with someone like you.

Shields need a tweak? we all know that and all the player-base have a lot of solutions but maybe destroy a game-stile is a better solution for them since every magika sorcerer abuse shield stacking.

Everyone has/had the ability to abuse shield stacking :P Not just sorcs.

Yes and no.
I personally use it with my dk but the only shield powerful "like" the sorcerer shield is the ultimate "dragon leap" and you cant compare it wit blazing shield ( templars) even or igneous shield since both are a joke.
While NB's don’t need to stack the shields they can disappear, FXXK shields.

HairyFairy · September 2015

I don't cry about everything, but when I do, I have nothing to back it up.-OP

Garion · September 2015

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

NBs have - and always will be - ZOS' favourite class. They have always been the amongst most powerful and have always had the best utility when played effectively. Unfortunately NBs are also the most vocal QQers and therefore anything that doesn't suit them ("hey I can't instakill this sorc QQ") gets cried about on these forums until ZOS nerfs it excessively to satisfy the NB scrubs.

Shields needed tweaking but the shield breaker set is yet another example of a lazy one size fits all solution by ZOS, alongside the streak / block / dodge roll nerfs. At the end of the day they have no real clue about balance / don't have the time or the resources to achieve anything resembling balance so they just change a bunch of stuff so everyone had to relearn the game and when people start to realise things are still in a crap state they will change it all again to throw us off the scent!

Edit / inb4 all the NBs coming in saying this is balanced and needed because they have always been too bad to kill a decent sorc.

No one can kill instantly sorcerers this is not a NB's complaint train.
The shield stacking has been abused by every magika sorcerer in the game and the sorcerer class is the most powerful "noob tube" of the game.

Reading from your signature you have become emperor with your sorc and you have tried how it is to be a GOD (30k meteor? 56k soul assault? 16k cristal frag? 2x your life on shields? i believe those numbers are not something strange for you. ) not considering that you are in the banana squad that every member is FAR ABOVE the average player maybe you need to consider that this set has been introduced to deal with someone like you.

Shields need a tweak? we all know that and all the player-base have a lot of solutions but maybe destroy a game-stile is a better solution for them since every magika sorcerer abuse shield stacking.

Your post completely negates its own argument...

1) Yes I am in Banana Squad and yes, you could say that we are among the players considered "above average". Introducing this set to "deal with people like [us]" though is absolutely retarded. What about the average joe who is getting penalised by this ridiculous set?

2) "but maybe destroying a game style is a better solution" - no, no it is not. That is not an argument at all.

Docmandu · September 2015

The change this set would need is make it melee range only. Squishy caster shouldn't face tank a high DPS melee character, which is basically what sorcs (and other caster builds) have been doing due to bad skill design.

sparafucilsarwb17_ESO · September 2015

Can there be a shield breaker set for light armor as well please?

leepalmer95 · September 2015

Garion wrote: »

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

NBs have - and always will be - ZOS' favourite class. They have always been the amongst most powerful and have always had the best utility when played effectively. Unfortunately NBs are also the most vocal QQers and therefore anything that doesn't suit them ("hey I can't instakill this sorc QQ") gets cried about on these forums until ZOS nerfs it excessively to satisfy the NB scrubs.

Shields needed tweaking but the shield breaker set is yet another example of a lazy one size fits all solution by ZOS, alongside the streak / block / dodge roll nerfs. At the end of the day they have no real clue about balance / don't have the time or the resources to achieve anything resembling balance so they just change a bunch of stuff so everyone had to relearn the game and when people start to realise things are still in a crap state they will change it all again to throw us off the scent!

Edit / inb4 all the NBs coming in saying this is balanced and needed because they have always been too bad to kill a decent sorc.

No one can kill instantly sorcerers this is not a NB's complaint train.
The shield stacking has been abused by every magika sorcerer in the game and the sorcerer class is the most powerful "noob tube" of the game.

Reading from your signature you have become emperor with your sorc and you have tried how it is to be a GOD (30k meteor? 56k soul assault? 16k cristal frag? 2x your life on shields? i believe those numbers are not something strange for you. ) not considering that you are in the banana squad that every member is FAR ABOVE the average player maybe you need to consider that this set has been introduced to deal with someone like you.

Shields need a tweak? we all know that and all the player-base have a lot of solutions but maybe destroy a game-stile is a better solution for them since every magika sorcerer abuse shield stacking.

Your post completely negates its own argument...

1) Yes I am in Banana Squad and yes, you could say that we are among the players considered "above average". Introducing this set to "deal with people like [us]" though is absolutely retarded. What about the average joe who is getting penalised by this ridiculous set?

2) "but maybe destroying a game style is a better solution" - no, no it is not. That is not an argument at all.

Don't bother it's not worth it, this set is just for those players who spam 1 button and have no skill in pvp and cry about sorc recasting their shields.

Can't believe they buffed nb's though, seriously nb's were no par with sorc... yes sorc's got double nerfed while nb's got buffed, just goes to show the nb winer game is too strong for zos.

Also we all know most of zos main nb's.

Tonnopesce · September 2015

Garion wrote: »

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

NBs have - and always will be - ZOS' favourite class. They have always been the amongst most powerful and have always had the best utility when played effectively. Unfortunately NBs are also the most vocal QQers and therefore anything that doesn't suit them ("hey I can't instakill this sorc QQ") gets cried about on these forums until ZOS nerfs it excessively to satisfy the NB scrubs.

Shields needed tweaking but the shield breaker set is yet another example of a lazy one size fits all solution by ZOS, alongside the streak / block / dodge roll nerfs. At the end of the day they have no real clue about balance / don't have the time or the resources to achieve anything resembling balance so they just change a bunch of stuff so everyone had to relearn the game and when people start to realise things are still in a crap state they will change it all again to throw us off the scent!

Edit / inb4 all the NBs coming in saying this is balanced and needed because they have always been too bad to kill a decent sorc.

No one can kill instantly sorcerers this is not a NB's complaint train.
The shield stacking has been abused by every magika sorcerer in the game and the sorcerer class is the most powerful "noob tube" of the game.

Reading from your signature you have become emperor with your sorc and you have tried how it is to be a GOD (30k meteor? 56k soul assault? 16k cristal frag? 2x your life on shields? i believe those numbers are not something strange for you. ) not considering that you are in the banana squad that every member is FAR ABOVE the average player maybe you need to consider that this set has been introduced to deal with someone like you.

Shields need a tweak? we all know that and all the player-base have a lot of solutions but maybe destroy a game-stile is a better solution for them since every magika sorcerer abuse shield stacking.

Your post completely negates its own argument...

1) Yes I am in Banana Squad and yes, you could say that we are among the players considered "above average". Introducing this set to "deal with people like [us]" though is absolutely retarded. What about the average joe who is getting penalised by this ridiculous set?

2) "but maybe destroying a game style is a better solution" - no, no it is not. That is not an argument at all.

1) Every time we get a nerf is to deal with someone who has abused a game stile and everyone need to pay.

2)This is not my POV i'm only assuming that since this set has been introduced this is the ZOS POV .

We can come up with thousand solutions but since ZOS don’t listen to us is worthless.
I'm Now on console so i don’t have tried HOW much powerful is the shield-breaker set live (only on PTS) but if is so OP it will be toned down, sadly if we cant pretend a good balance from ZOS we need to learn how to deal with this type of ideas.

Alcast · September 2015

I enjoy the tears of all the Sorcs atm. Sorcs trying to spam shields but HP still dropping LoL. Its a good laugh every time

And just because people do not know how to counter it does not mean its OP...there are ways lol.

Garion · September 2015

Alcast wrote: »

I enjoy the tears of all the Sorcs atm. Sorcs trying to spam shields but HP still dropping LoL. Its a good laugh every time

And just because people do not know how to counter it does not mean its OP...there are ways lol.

There are definitely ways, but it requires the sacrifice of 50% of your skill bars. One heal alone is not enough to outheal this because at the same time you have to shield yourself to mitigate all the normal damage you are taking.

ThisOnePosts · September 2015

LOL, I have all 4 classes maxed and one of them twice.

NBs have counters and there's a potion better than cloak that lasts longer and is more reliable and doesn't require magicka.

There are healing sets... heck there's a healing weapon.... counter to scales? Oh that's right, it's in a Sorc's class ability.... CURSE, then SHARDS when the scales tell-sign is gone. AMAZING. How complicated!

There were more Sorcs relying on shield stacking as an actual tactic than I thought. Wow. I'm glad I never bothered with such a cheap move, as I can play my Sorc still just fine.

Reznique · September 2015

Erudition wrote: »

Okay so i started a thread about this and got nowhere but this needs to get fixed.

The weak players who cried about good sorcs have ruined it for all sorcs. Meanwhile good nb's dk's and temp's are having a party.

Shield breaker is an absolute joke combined with the bolt escape nerf and the shield nerf. Good sorcs are useless this patch against that stupidly ill-conceived set.

Last time i raised this a whole heap of useless nb forum warriors (who cant even play well when they are op) pretending to be sorcs disagreed with me (what a joke that was).

If you are going to have a shield breaker set please make a cloak breaker set, a wing breaker set and a jabs breaker (with crazy heals) set.

This game is stupidly biased against sorcs and we need to get this fixed fast or 25% of the players in this game will eventually quit.

I personally can live with it because i have all 3 other classses and can play them if needed but my first love was sorc and it has been rekked by the stupid cry babies on these forums who have overnerfed sorcs by a mile. As for you sorcs who lets this happen and didnt get involved shame on you and please get focused now.

Eru

I absolutely agree.

ATM I have 2 mains- a sorc and a stamina templar. I have experienced both sides of this set and I am quite sure that it is OP. No other class has a set that would counter their survivability. There is not 5 piece bonus that would do damage to DKs' and Templars' self-healing or damage NBs' whenever they sneak.

The fact that you can just light attack to kill a sorc with 20k HP and 30k dmg shield up is absurd to me.

a.skelton92 · September 2015

I have seen sorcerers do very well even without the excessive use of shields. All this does is deter those that seemingly cannot be bothered to play by roling a spec that allows for minimal brain power and input.

This will encourage more experimentation in how people approach a fight/ build. Every sorcerer at the moment is a clone of the last. They depend on that shield.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Inappropriate Content]

leepalmer95 · September 2015

a.skelton92 wrote: »

I have seen sorcerers do very well even without the excessive use of shields. All this does is deter those that seemingly cannot be bothered to play by roling a spec that allows for minimal brain power and input.

This will encourage more experimentation in how people approach a fight/ build. Every sorcerer at the moment is a clone of the last. They depend on that shield.

Sorc takes a lot more skill than your typical wb/snipe spammer ^^

[Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]

Master_Kas · September 2015

Sigh. People have multiple skills (aoe, radiant magelight, piercing mark) + detectpots to ruin nbs cloak. Yet nerfthreads apear like mushrooms.

Stambuilds can roll a few times then OOS.

People can spam shields all day long, now a set is here to counter that, you whine nerf? lol

leepalmer95 · September 2015

Master_Kas wrote: »

Sigh. People have multiple skills (aoe, radiant magelight, piercing mark) + detectpots to ruin nbs cloak. Yet nerfthreads apear like mushrooms.

Stambuilds can roll a few times then OOS.

People can spam shields all day long, now a set is here to counter that, you whine nerf? lol

Radiant is terrible for breaking cloak.

Piercing is a nb skill.

Aoe is hard to use as nb's move so fast, also waste a skill as not many people carry Aoe.

Detect pots are ok but the range isn't great and wastes your potion cooldown.

There already was a counter to shields is called skill e.g. cc and burst them, spamming 1 skill doesn't do that trick and the fact nb's can't 2 hit them is what lead to this set.

NGP · September 2015

We can still run faster to gather mats at crag.

ThisOnePosts · September 2015

NGP wrote: »

We can still run faster to gather mats at crag.

lmaoo

Ch4mpTW · September 2015

While I'm not known for complaining, or calling certain things "overpowered". I can honestly say that the Shield Breaker set is in fact overpowered. And in my opinion, if you deny that it's not? Chances are it's either because: A. You use the set, and don't want something you use to go nerfed. B. You enjoy abusing something that is clearly overpowered, and take enjoyment in getting free kills that don't exactly require too much effort in obtaining.

In other words, the classic case of an item or set hiding the true skills of a player. Anyone can use something that is "over-tuned", or "OP" and claim how it is fine and that the situation is of a "L2P". When in fact, without said overpowered item? You (the person making the claims of L2P) return back to mediocrity in terms of skill level.

ku5h · September 2015

Worst thing is, after all this sorc crying ZOS will actually put a 3-4 sec cooldown and make it completely useless.
And then we are back where we were, OP sorcs running around 1vXing ppl and laughing.

Ch4mpTW · September 2015

ku5h wrote: »

Worst thing is, after all this sorc crying ZOS will actually put a 3-4 sec cooldown and make it completely useless.
And then we are back where we were, OP sorcs running around 1vXing ppl and laughing.

I have a 2 questions for you. 1. Are you a Dragonknight or Nightblade? 2. Are you currently using this set?

If you're curious why it is that I'm asking you those 2 things, it's because those are the 2 classes who tend to defend the use of it. As for the 2nd question, it's because 9x out of 10 -- people will make claims that a person(s) is crying about something, when the person making the claims is using it. And don't want to see something which they're currently using nerfed, or re-evaluated.

leepalmer95 · September 2015

ku5h wrote: »

Worst thing is, after all this sorc crying ZOS will actually put a 3-4 sec cooldown and make it completely useless.
And then we are back where we were, OP sorcs running around 1vXing ppl and laughing.

You acting like Op nb's or perma blocking dk's aren't running around 1vX ing people

Trashy Boy · September 2015

Erudition wrote: »

Okay so i started a thread about this and got nowhere but this needs to get fixed.

The weak players who cried about good sorcs have ruined it for all sorcs. Meanwhile good nb's dk's and temp's are having a party.

Shield breaker is an absolute joke combined with the bolt escape nerf and the shield nerf. Good sorcs are useless this patch against that stupidly ill-conceived set.

Last time i raised this a whole heap of useless nb forum warriors (who cant even play well when they are op) pretending to be sorcs disagreed with me (what a joke that was).

If you are going to have a shield breaker set please make a cloak breaker set, a wing breaker set and a jabs breaker (with crazy heals) set.

This game is stupidly biased against sorcs and we need to get this fixed fast or 25% of the players in this game will eventually quit.

I personally can live with it because i have all 3 other classses and can play them if needed but my first love was sorc and it has been rekked by the stupid cry babies on these forums who have overnerfed sorcs by a mile. As for you sorcs who lets this happen and didnt get involved shame on you and please get focused now.

Eru

In all fairness - most, if not all classes are having to re-balance their sets and skill rotations. My main is a sorc and am getting killed by a couple of people using that set but no more than any other. Find an alternate set-up to counter it or different tactics.