Is Snipe more bearable in IC

leepalmer95 · September 2015

I'm sick of dying to snipe from people 50 meters away from a fight spamming 10k skills...

How can an ability that has a 50m range consistently hit for 10k + and have a 1 second charge time?

From that range the skill should either has a bigger cast time about 2.5 seconds or such or not do that amount of dmg, a skill from 50m is cast from safety so why is it one of the hardest hitting skills in the game.

Mitchblue · September 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I'm sick of dying to snipe from people 50 meters away from a fight spamming 10k skills...

How can an ability that has a 50m range consistently hit for 10k + and have a 1 second charge time?

From that range the skill should either has a bigger cast time about 2.5 seconds or such or not do that amount of dmg, a skill from 50m is cast from safety so why is it one of the hardest hitting skills in the game.

Move closer.

More damage is done with a bow the farther you are.

LiquidZ · September 2015

With all of the obstacles to move around and hide behind I barely ever notice myself getting picked off from snipe in the IC.

Molag_Crow · September 2015

Agreed. Focused Aim/Lethal Arrow-spammers are a plague in Cyrodiil.

leepalmer95 · September 2015

Mitchblue wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I'm sick of dying to snipe from people 50 meters away from a fight spamming 10k skills...

How can an ability that has a 50m range consistently hit for 10k + and have a 1 second charge time?

From that range the skill should either has a bigger cast time about 2.5 seconds or such or not do that amount of dmg, a skill from 50m is cast from safety so why is it one of the hardest hitting skills in the game.

Move closer.

More damage is done with a bow the farther you are.

It's the fact i'll be fighting someone or not looking in the persons general direction before i get hear the snipe sound the same time i get hit which is 10k xD

Or if i do see them after they hit me then there will be 2-3 snipes coming my way from someone 50m away and i can't only go so fast and my interrupt is 27m...

Then i'll have to block or dodge roll in order to not die to the inevitable 2-3 other snipes coming my way because snipe users spam it... as a magicka build i kind of need that to break free...

Mitchblue · September 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Mitchblue wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I'm sick of dying to snipe from people 50 meters away from a fight spamming 10k skills...

How can an ability that has a 50m range consistently hit for 10k + and have a 1 second charge time?

From that range the skill should either has a bigger cast time about 2.5 seconds or such or not do that amount of dmg, a skill from 50m is cast from safety so why is it one of the hardest hitting skills in the game.

Move closer.

More damage is done with a bow the farther you are.

It's the fact i'll be fighting someone or not looking in the persons general direction before i get hear the snipe sound the same time i get hit which is 10k xD

Or if i do see them after they hit me then there will be 2-3 snipes coming my way from someone 50m away and i can't only go so fast and my interrupt is 27m...

Then i'll have to block or dodge roll in order to not die to the inevitable 2-3 other snipes coming my way because snipe users spam it... as a magicka build i kind of need that to break free...

Well if there are 8 people sniping then you die. It's a good skill but it has it's limitations. I read somewhere here not long ago, a light attack (I believe a staff) was 25k. It's war we die. If it's that much of a bother, go NB and cloak.

starkerealm · September 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Mitchblue wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I'm sick of dying to snipe from people 50 meters away from a fight spamming 10k skills...

How can an ability that has a 50m range consistently hit for 10k + and have a 1 second charge time?

From that range the skill should either has a bigger cast time about 2.5 seconds or such or not do that amount of dmg, a skill from 50m is cast from safety so why is it one of the hardest hitting skills in the game.

Move closer.

More damage is done with a bow the farther you are.

It's the fact i'll be fighting someone or not looking in the persons general direction before i get hear the snipe sound the same time i get hit which is 10k xD

Or if i do see them after they hit me then there will be 2-3 snipes coming my way from someone 50m away and i can't only go so fast and my interrupt is 27m...

Then i'll have to block or dodge roll in order to not die to the inevitable 2-3 other snipes coming my way because snipe users spam it... as a magicka build i kind of need that to break free...

Look, if you have less than 10k health in Vet PvP... man, I don't even know. Just heal up and close the distance.

CavalierKing · September 2015

Find a place to hide, roll dodge, block, ward, self heal, sprint, run with a group, cloak, etc. There are plenty of ways to survive. Stop asking for nerfs and get good.

Lenikus · September 2015

Yea... because this game offers Zero gap-closers to be used in combat.

Molag_Crow · September 2015

People always offer advice on how to avoid abilities like Snipe, but what they forget is that you can be in any situation and end up being hit by 5+ shots in an instant before you can even react.

leepalmer95 · September 2015

Lenikus wrote: »

Yea... because this game offers Zero gap-closers to be used in combat.

It offers 50m gap closer? where?

Also if this is happening to a ranged magicka build they don't have closers and their interrupt is 28m but by the time your in interrupt range they switch, crit charge you for 9k then wb spam you to death.

Also even if your melee your still 22m away from the guy who just opened with a 10-12k snipe, you either roll dodge + block or heal in which you'll be hit by another...

Either way the charge time + dmg + range is stupid for 1 skill.

Sithisvoid · September 2015

Snipe is pretty unreliable to use. Half the time it doesn't even fire it just lag lag lags there looking dumb and locking you into an animation. Then you hear this weird laggy hiss and bam 5 of your shots hit some guy at once. Honestly 90% of this game is just horribly broken and everyone has gotten used to it

Mitchblue · September 2015

Plus, you try to snipe a guy, unknowing a snipe is coming his way, moves behind a rock. No Snipe. the 1 second cast time can be detrimental ..

leepalmer95 · September 2015

Mitchblue wrote: »

Plus, you try to snipe a guy, unknowing a snipe is coming his way, moves behind a rock. No Snipe. the 1 second cast time can be detrimental ..

Like every ranged skill in the game ^^ .

Maybe a should carry a rock as pvp if full of snipe/2h at the moment.

leepalmer95 · September 2015

starkerealm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Mitchblue wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I'm sick of dying to snipe from people 50 meters away from a fight spamming 10k skills...

How can an ability that has a 50m range consistently hit for 10k + and have a 1 second charge time?

From that range the skill should either has a bigger cast time about 2.5 seconds or such or not do that amount of dmg, a skill from 50m is cast from safety so why is it one of the hardest hitting skills in the game.

Move closer.

More damage is done with a bow the farther you are.

It's the fact i'll be fighting someone or not looking in the persons general direction before i get hear the snipe sound the same time i get hit which is 10k xD

Or if i do see them after they hit me then there will be 2-3 snipes coming my way from someone 50m away and i can't only go so fast and my interrupt is 27m...

Then i'll have to block or dodge roll in order to not die to the inevitable 2-3 other snipes coming my way because snipe users spam it... as a magicka build i kind of need that to break free...

Look, if you have less than 10k health in Vet PvP... man, I don't even know. Just heal up and close the distance.

It's not possible to have < 10k hp. It's the fact... you know what i forgot, i just ignore you as you don't contribute and again keep popping up on posts to do with stuff you don't do such as vet pvp...

Mitchblue · September 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Mitchblue wrote: »

Plus, you try to snipe a guy, unknowing a snipe is coming his way, moves behind a rock. No Snipe. the 1 second cast time can be detrimental ..

Like every ranged skill in the game ^^ .

Maybe a should carry a rock as pvp if full of snipe/2h at the moment.

So why complain, how about crystal frag 18k followed by an instant 18k. In MMO, we die. Or, since you're a Magic build, use a Resto staff on one of your bars.

starkerealm · September 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Mitchblue wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I'm sick of dying to snipe from people 50 meters away from a fight spamming 10k skills...

How can an ability that has a 50m range consistently hit for 10k + and have a 1 second charge time?

From that range the skill should either has a bigger cast time about 2.5 seconds or such or not do that amount of dmg, a skill from 50m is cast from safety so why is it one of the hardest hitting skills in the game.

Move closer.

More damage is done with a bow the farther you are.

It's the fact i'll be fighting someone or not looking in the persons general direction before i get hear the snipe sound the same time i get hit which is 10k xD

Or if i do see them after they hit me then there will be 2-3 snipes coming my way from someone 50m away and i can't only go so fast and my interrupt is 27m...

Then i'll have to block or dodge roll in order to not die to the inevitable 2-3 other snipes coming my way because snipe users spam it... as a magicka build i kind of need that to break free...

Look, if you have less than 10k health in Vet PvP... man, I don't even know. Just heal up and close the distance.

It's not possible to have < 10k hp. It's the fact... you know what i forgot, i just ignore you as you don't contribute and again keep popping up on posts to do with stuff you don't do such as vet pvp...

That's actually pretty funny coming from someone who, I know for a fact, hasn't stepped foot in the IC yet. But, no, I do vet PvP. Used to take non-vets into thorn and Azura's because the scaling resulted in some hilarious imbalances. But, 1.7 stopped that. But, you wouldn't know about that because you're still on 1.6, don't have access to the IC, and don't understand how to deal with bow users.

CavalierKing · September 2015

Bolt escape, wear heavy armor, get a larger health pool, add physical resistance. Seriously, if you're going to play a glass cannon and are too crappy to do anything other than just absorb the attack, expect to get shattered.

starkerealm · September 2015

CavalierKing wrote: »

Bolt escape, wear heavy armor, get a larger health pool, add physical resistance. Seriously, if you're going to play a glass cannon and are too crappy to do anything other than just absorb the attack, expect to get shattered.

Nah, that's how our buddy here likes to roll. Go in as a glass cannon, get broken, come onto the forums, cry about it, then when someone raises a legitimate point about maybe he should learn how to play the game, start lying about them in a desperate attempt to discredit them.

leepalmer95 · September 2015

Mitchblue wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Mitchblue wrote: »

Plus, you try to snipe a guy, unknowing a snipe is coming his way, moves behind a rock. No Snipe. the 1 second cast time can be detrimental ..

Like every ranged skill in the game ^^ .

Maybe a should carry a rock as pvp if full of snipe/2h at the moment.

So why complain, how about crystal frag 18k followed by an instant 18k. In MMO, we die. Or, since you're a Magic build, use a Resto staff on one of your bars.

Ofc i use a resto staff.... that has nothing to do with anything.

CavalierKing wrote: »

Bolt escape, wear heavy armor, get a larger health pool, add physical resistance. Seriously, if you're going to play a glass cannon and are too crappy to do anything other than just absorb the attack, expect to get shattered.

It's not about my personal hp pool it's the fact a skill with 50m is spamable and hits 10-12k... but hey thats obviously going over your head.

Also heavy armour on a magicka build? , hard to get armour when your wearing light... everyone uses light armour on a magicka build so it's not a 'glass cannon', glass cannon are the nb gankers.

Bolt escape , yeah it's possible but you'll still be hit mid cast, next patch the cost of this is going to be insane, so it's won't be much of an option.

Also frag... it's a slow moving purple ball, it's doesn't get shot into the air and spammed at you from 50m away. You can tell when people are going to use frag their hands literally light up purple, it's not hard to dodge or block... unlike snipe which is constant 12k from so far away you don't know it's coming or hardly have time to react.

starkerealm wrote: »

CavalierKing wrote: »

Bolt escape, wear heavy armor, get a larger health pool, add physical resistance. Seriously, if you're going to play a glass cannon and are too crappy to do anything other than just absorb the attack, expect to get shattered.

Nah, that's how our buddy here likes to roll. Go in as a glass cannon, get broken, come onto the forums, cry about it, then when someone raises a legitimate point about maybe he should learn how to play the game, start lying about them in a desperate attempt to discredit them.

This is how you like to roll, farming stars on a forum of a game you don't play? Do you even vet pvp or have any idea about it? last time we 'talked' you said you had 70 cp, 50 of which you got when 1.6 dropped in march...? it's now september, 20 cp's in 5 months tell me you don't play the game at all so stop trying to act like you know anything about the things you decide to spam.

starkerealm · September 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

CavalierKing wrote: »

Bolt escape, wear heavy armor, get a larger health pool, add physical resistance. Seriously, if you're going to play a glass cannon and are too crappy to do anything other than just absorb the attack, expect to get shattered.

Nah, that's how our buddy here likes to roll. Go in as a glass cannon, get broken, come onto the forums, cry about it, then when someone raises a legitimate point about maybe he should learn how to play the game, start lying about them in a desperate attempt to discredit them.

This is how you like to roll, farming stars on a forum of a game you don't play? Do you even vet pvp or have any idea about it? last time we 'talked' you said you had 70 cp, 50 of which you got when 1.6 dropped in march...? it's now september, 20 cp's in 5 months tell me you don't play the game at all so stop trying to act like you know anything about the things you decide to spam.

Case. In. Point.

For reference, my CR is 105. I converted with ~50. And my CP intake's been stunted more by the fact that I ran through most of the PvE content before the champion system was implemented and didn't want to mindlessly grind Reaper's March or Spellscar until my brain bled. But, by all means, keep making stuff up. I'm sure you'll confuse someone, someday.

leepalmer95 · September 2015

starkerealm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

CavalierKing wrote: »

Bolt escape, wear heavy armor, get a larger health pool, add physical resistance. Seriously, if you're going to play a glass cannon and are too crappy to do anything other than just absorb the attack, expect to get shattered.

Nah, that's how our buddy here likes to roll. Go in as a glass cannon, get broken, come onto the forums, cry about it, then when someone raises a legitimate point about maybe he should learn how to play the game, start lying about them in a desperate attempt to discredit them.

This is how you like to roll, farming stars on a forum of a game you don't play? Do you even vet pvp or have any idea about it? last time we 'talked' you said you had 70 cp, 50 of which you got when 1.6 dropped in march...? it's now september, 20 cp's in 5 months tell me you don't play the game at all so stop trying to act like you know anything about the things you decide to spam.

Case. In. Point.

For reference, my CR is 105. I converted with ~50. And my CP intake's been stunted more by the fact that I ran through most of the PvE content before the champion system was implemented and didn't want to mindlessly grind Reaper's March or Spellscar until my brain bled. But, by all means, keep making stuff up. I'm sure you'll confuse someone, someday.

So in other words on one of my last topic's you decided to spam, you lied to seem like your made up points were more viable?

Ok so thats even worse ^^

Now run along and go farm another topic... this is for pvper's.

starkerealm · September 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Now run along and go farm another topic... this is for pvper's.

As someone who PvPs I can tell you, with absolute certainty, if Snipe is ruining your day. Not even Lethal Arrow, just Snipe, it's not an issue with the ability being too powerful, it's, honest to god, a learn to play issue.

I can tell you, as a V15 Nightblade, who does hit people with Piercing Mark followed by Lethal Arrow, if I kill someone with just Lethal Arrow spam, I've just snuffed some poor kid fresh off the boat into Cyrodiil. And, I'll probably feel bad about it for a good five or six minutes.

If you're getting ganked in Cyrodiil outside of sieges, you've done something very, very wrong. Either you decided to gallop around on your horse, or you were just running around alone in the open. You made a poor choice, and someone just snuffed you for it.

A rational person steps back and learns from their experiences. They say something like, "hmm, it almost seems like running around out in the open is an invitation for an egregiously painful death, maybe I shouldn't do that again." They don't come onto the forums and say, "oh god, this mediocre ability is horrifically overpowered, nerf nao please!"

CavalierKing · September 2015

Everyone uses light armor? Obviously you're another noob that follows Deltia's or Sypher's min/maxed dps glass cannon builds and then complains when they get destroyed by another glass cannon because they're not as good as professional players. If you can't play as well as they can, you're not going to do as well as them. This isn't WOW where simply min/maxing will make you a god. You actually need to know proper combat mechanics which isn't as simple as standing there and spamming a couple buttons. If you're not good enough to know the right move in every situation in order to survive, you're going to need to do something other than min/max. That means putting more survival skills on your bar. That means using potions of health or invisibility. That means putting attribute points into health and having a health pool of 28k+. That means putting champion points into damage mitigation, wearing heavy armor, and using damage mitigation enchants. Again, you're playing a glass cannon and complaining that you keep getting shattered.

leepalmer95 · September 2015

CavalierKing wrote: »

Everyone uses light armor? Obviously you're another noob that follows Deltia's or Sypher's min/maxed dps glass cannon builds and then complains when they get destroyed by another glass cannon because they're not as good as professional players. If you can't play as well as they can, you're not going to do as well as them. This isn't WOW where simply min/maxing will make you a god. You actually need to know proper combat mechanics which isn't as simple as standing there and spamming a couple buttons. If you're not good enough to know the right move in every situation in order to survive, you're going to need to do something other than min/max. That means putting more survival skills on your bar. That means using potions of health or invisibility. That means putting attribute points into health and having a health pool of 28k+. That means putting champion points into damage mitigation, wearing heavy armor, and using damage mitigation enchants. Again, you're playing a glass cannon and complaining that you keep getting shattered.

28k+ on a sorc?

Are you some sort of bad eso hipster? People stack magicka for a reason... you know hardened ward? a sorc's main defence? yes well that increases via max magicka. A 28k sorc will only be viable for a tank in pve in pvp it will hit like a wet noodle, your burst dmg won't kill anyone and your hardened ward will be useless.

starkerealm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Now run along and go farm another topic... this is for pvper's.

As someone who PvPs I can tell you, with absolute certainty, if Snipe is ruining your day. Not even Lethal Arrow, just Snipe, it's not an issue with the ability being too powerful, it's, honest to god, a learn to play issue.

I can tell you, as a V15 Nightblade, who does hit people with Piercing Mark followed by Lethal Arrow, if I kill someone with just Lethal Arrow spam, I've just snuffed some poor kid fresh off the boat into Cyrodiil. And, I'll probably feel bad about it for a good five or six minutes.

If you're getting ganked in Cyrodiil outside of sieges, you've done something very, very wrong. Either you decided to gallop around on your horse, or you were just running around alone in the open. You made a poor choice, and someone just snuffed you for it.

A rational person steps back and learns from their experiences. They say something like, "hmm, it almost seems like running around out in the open is an invitation for an egregiously painful death, maybe I shouldn't do that again." They don't come onto the forums and say, "oh god, this mediocre ability is horrifically overpowered, nerf nao please!"

No one said anything about being ganked? Or being ganked on a horse. Stop randomly adding unrelated stuff.

It's the fact people can be 50m away and spam a skill that does 10-12k dmg which only indicator if being in route is a sound effect as it hits, this is usually followed by 2-3 more and if I'm fighting someone else i won't hear it and my hp shield + hp will just drop.

Let me know any other skill in the game which is so hard to see, it so easy to spam and hits 10-12k at 50m. You open up a fight with piercing mark?

starkerealm · September 2015

CavalierKing wrote: »

Everyone uses light armor? Obviously you're another noob that follows Deltia's or Sypher's min/maxed dps glass cannon builds and then complains when they get destroyed by another glass cannon because they're not as good as professional players.

Credit where credit's due. Sypher is freaking amazing, and pretty creative (or at least he was last I checked, and I can't imagine that's changed.) My personal opinion of Deltia's a bit lower, but the man is very skilled. I've just never been particularly impressed with his builds.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

You open up a fight with piercing mark?

Yes, because a medium armor character's job is to murder the other guy before being reduced to chunky salsa on the walls. Mostly that's nightblades, but the same holds true for stealth sorcs, DKs, and Templars. So yes, I open fights with Piercing Mark.

Then use a Night's Silence set with Concealed Weapon, and Cloak on my alt bar, and I have a lot of freedom of movement in Cyrodiil for siegebreaking.

leepalmer95 · September 2015

starkerealm wrote: »

CavalierKing wrote: »

Everyone uses light armor? Obviously you're another noob that follows Deltia's or Sypher's min/maxed dps glass cannon builds and then complains when they get destroyed by another glass cannon because they're not as good as professional players.

Credit where credit's due. Sypher is freaking amazing, and pretty creative (or at least he was last I checked, and I can't imagine that's changed.) My personal opinion of Deltia's a bit lower, but the man is very skilled. I've just never been particularly impressed with his builds.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

You open up a fight with piercing mark?

Yes, because a medium armor character's job is to murder the other guy before being reduced to chunky salsa on the walls. Mostly that's nightblades, but the same holds true for stealth sorcs, DKs, and Templars. So yes, I open fights with Piercing Mark.

Then use a Night's Silence set with Concealed Weapon, and Cloak on my alt bar, and I have a lot of freedom of movement in Cyrodiil for siegebreaking.

You use concealed with a bow? i'm confused are you a magicka or stamina nb?

starkerealm · September 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

CavalierKing wrote: »

Everyone uses light armor? Obviously you're another noob that follows Deltia's or Sypher's min/maxed dps glass cannon builds and then complains when they get destroyed by another glass cannon because they're not as good as professional players.

Credit where credit's due. Sypher is freaking amazing, and pretty creative (or at least he was last I checked, and I can't imagine that's changed.) My personal opinion of Deltia's a bit lower, but the man is very skilled. I've just never been particularly impressed with his builds.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

You open up a fight with piercing mark?

Yes, because a medium armor character's job is to murder the other guy before being reduced to chunky salsa on the walls. Mostly that's nightblades, but the same holds true for stealth sorcs, DKs, and Templars. So yes, I open fights with Piercing Mark.

Then use a Night's Silence set with Concealed Weapon, and Cloak on my alt bar, and I have a lot of freedom of movement in Cyrodiil for siegebreaking.

You use concealed with a bow? i'm confused are you a magicka or stamina nb?

I use concealed with a bow and 2h because of the +25% movement speed buff. It's only on the bar for the passive. With that and Night's Silence my move speed is at 125% of my normal run (not sprint) speed.

Even if I used SA it would pale in comparison to the damage WB does coming out of stealth.

Outside of Cyrodiil, I usually ditch Concealed Weapon, because the extra move speed isn't worth giving up a skill. In Cyrodiil, the only time I use CW is with Cloak if I need to stun someone. But that gets expensive fast.

Sithisvoid · September 2015

I haven't met a person i can't drop with snipe. But i don't catch them ready to go

leepalmer95 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

CavalierKing wrote: »

Everyone uses light armor? Obviously you're another noob that follows Deltia's or Sypher's min/maxed dps glass cannon builds and then complains when they get destroyed by another glass cannon because they're not as good as professional players.

Credit where credit's due. Sypher is freaking amazing, and pretty creative (or at least he was last I checked, and I can't imagine that's changed.) My personal opinion of Deltia's a bit lower, but the man is very skilled. I've just never been particularly impressed with his builds.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

You open up a fight with piercing mark?

Yes, because a medium armor character's job is to murder the other guy before being reduced to chunky salsa on the walls. Mostly that's nightblades, but the same holds true for stealth sorcs, DKs, and Templars. So yes, I open fights with Piercing Mark.

Then use a Night's Silence set with Concealed Weapon, and Cloak on my alt bar, and I have a lot of freedom of movement in Cyrodiil for siegebreaking.

You use concealed with a bow? i'm confused are you a magicka or stamina nb?

Concealed is used just for movement speed in stealth for a lot of builds

CavalierKing · September 2015

Well if your wards are so great, why are you dying so fast? Your argument is quickly falling apart. Either wards are great and you're just fine, or they aren't good enough and you need to do something different like use heavy armor and put points into health. And as you just stated, you're min/maxing. You're trying to do as much dps as possible by putting all your points into magicka. Being a min/maxed dps is called being a glass cannon because you'll do a crap ton of damage, but you'll die pretty easy. If max dps is what you want, fine, but don't expect to have any survivability and don't go complaining to ZOS to get other things nerfed so that you can survive. Get good or deal with your crappy choices.

leepalmer95 · September 2015

starkerealm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

CavalierKing wrote: »

Everyone uses light armor? Obviously you're another noob that follows Deltia's or Sypher's min/maxed dps glass cannon builds and then complains when they get destroyed by another glass cannon because they're not as good as professional players.

Credit where credit's due. Sypher is freaking amazing, and pretty creative (or at least he was last I checked, and I can't imagine that's changed.) My personal opinion of Deltia's a bit lower, but the man is very skilled. I've just never been particularly impressed with his builds.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

You open up a fight with piercing mark?

Yes, because a medium armor character's job is to murder the other guy before being reduced to chunky salsa on the walls. Mostly that's nightblades, but the same holds true for stealth sorcs, DKs, and Templars. So yes, I open fights with Piercing Mark.

Then use a Night's Silence set with Concealed Weapon, and Cloak on my alt bar, and I have a lot of freedom of movement in Cyrodiil for siegebreaking.

You use concealed with a bow? i'm confused are you a magicka or stamina nb?

I use concealed with a bow and 2h because of the +25% movement speed buff. It's only on the bar for the passive. With that and Night's Silence my move speed is at 125% of my normal run (not sprint) speed.

Even if I used SA it would pale in comparison to the damage WB does coming out of stealth.

Outside of Cyrodiil, I usually ditch Concealed Weapon, because the extra move speed isn't worth giving up a skill. In Cyrodiil, the only time I use CW is with Cloak if I need to stun someone. But that gets expensive fast.

surprise attack is a decent closer though and the 8k armour debuff would free up your mark slot, also it's a Gap closer stun from cloak.