Nerf/Fix Wrecking Blow / Fix CC Immunity!

starkerealm · September 2015

Sharee wrote: »

TLDR: the bug is this: immunity after a knockdown is applied a split second too late, allowing two successive knockdowns if the 2nd knockdown is timed precisely between character standing up from 1st knockdown and the immunity from 1st knockdown being applied.

It's actually a hilarious inversion of I-frames. Which... actually, why doesn't getting back up off the ground confer I-frames?

yodased wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

smart things. .

Even worse than this is the amount of time that it takes for a wrecking blow to wind up and hit you is just about exactly the amount of time that you are lying on the floor with CC immunity.

If wrecking blow was faster or shorter then they would not overlap the way it does. It's almost like WB spammers found the sweet spot and intrinsically time them for multiple CCs, but they didn't it is just what happens when you mash the 1 key over and over.

Failure.

It actually doesn't quite match the knockdown time. But, if you know how to juggle it, you can get the timing down. The failure is in the hard CC not applying while knocked prone, and then starting the timer after you're on your feet, instead of having no CC immunity for a couple frames.

NewBlacksmurf · September 2015

I'm not saying you would always win but a lot of what i see are poor choices in PvP.

You never did anything to knock him off the ledge or stuff, etc.
as a Templar you cause use the jabs or DPS and heal yourself or just lance them off the ledge or down and DPS them.

leepalmer95 · September 2015

To be fair high dmg, cc skills shouldn't self buff there own dmg. It may deal with spam more such as ambush/wb and flare spam.

Armitas · September 2015

Dang, CC immunity got wrecked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCIh8QPaha0

revonine · September 2015

I hope this get's addressed, please leave juggling to Street Fighter and Tekken ZOS.

QuebraRegra · September 2015

revonine wrote: »

I hope this get's addressed, please leave juggling to Street Fighter and Tekken ZOS.

Looks like we need a CCCCCOMBO BREAKER!
http://ih0.redbubble.net/image.10480077.0464/fc,550x550,baby_blue.jpg

revonine · September 2015

QuebraRegra wrote: »

revonine wrote: »

I hope this get's addressed, please leave juggling to Street Fighter and Tekken ZOS.

Looks like we need a CCCCCOMBO BREAKER!
http://ih0.redbubble.net/image.10480077.0464/fc,550x550,baby_blue.jpg

This needs to be a Fighter's Guild Skill

starkerealm · September 2015

revonine wrote: »

QuebraRegra wrote: »

revonine wrote: »

I hope this get's addressed, please leave juggling to Street Fighter and Tekken ZOS.

Looks like we need a CCCCCOMBO BREAKER!
http://ih0.redbubble.net/image.10480077.0464/fc,550x550,baby_blue.jpg

This needs to be a Fighter's Guild Skill

Saints of Steel: Locate your opponent's *** and brutalize them with your fists.

EDIT: Well played word filter, well played. Now it looks about 20 times more bjorked up.

Thecapeo · September 2015

This game in general has a hard time with CCs, timing, breaking, pretty much everything in that regard. There seems to be a slight delay between the break and the actual immunity kicking in. That's why you can perma-petrify someone if you time it right. And, on PS4 at least, forget about it about if you're getting hit by multiple people using CCs. Even if you can break one very often the next one immediately kicks in.

timidobserver · September 2015

starkerealm wrote: »

istateres wrote: »

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

Wrecking Blow "spam" isn't the issue here. The problem we need to be discussing is this:

WHY is the OP getting CC'd repeatedly before his CC immunity timer is up?

That shouldn't even be possible!

He's not the only one. There are many ways to deal with WB, but not if you can never get out of CC!

Here's a thought, "try blocking."

Blocking would have helped, but that doesn't change the fact that CC immunity isn't working properly in this video.

Molag_Crow · September 2015

Thecapeo wrote: »

This game in general has a hard time with CCs, timing, breaking, pretty much everything in that regard. There seems to be a slight delay between the break and the actual immunity kicking in. That's why you can perma-petrify someone if you time it right. And, on PS4 at least, forget about it about if you're getting hit by multiple people using CCs. Even if you can break one very often the next one immediately kicks in.

Exactly, and that is why I mostly always die in fights that involve at least 3 others using a lot of CC, which is normally expected on the average level, but I once had a group of 5 on me for over a minute and eventually killed them because they weren't spamming CC on me.

Molag_Crow · September 2015

revonine wrote: »

I hope this get's addressed, please leave juggling to Street Fighter and Tekken ZOS.

Indeed, that's what it feels like doesn't it...

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

I'm not saying you would always win but a lot of what i see are poor choices in PvP.

You never did anything to knock him off the ledge or stuff, etc.
as a Templar you cause use the jabs or DPS and heal yourself or just lance them off the ledge or down and DPS them.

Yeah I usually always Jab (sweep) that's why I mentioned that I shouldn't have done a dark flare, but I weren't expecting the player to constantly knock me down so I assumed I'd get away with a double Flare before Jabbing ^^ Oh well

Ch4mpTW · September 2015

Interesting thread. This is definitely a thread that I'll be keeping my eye on. Good posts, everyone.

Moonshadow66 · September 2015

I'm only doing PvE and I'm using Wrecking Blow all the time, with the last two played characters - I've never EVER seen that CC immunity worked. All I see in PvE land (especially in AD zones!) is my characters getting knocked back or feared or whatnot all the freaking time. Whenever I'm about to charge that skill and an enemy which CAN knock me down and all that, I'm on the ground already before I can hit them. Also when I hit them, I'm not immune to anything afterwards.
Only popping a potion to prevent this to happen actually helps, never this skill.

actosh · September 2015

Carde wrote: »

He skilled you so hard. WRECKING BLOW WRECKING BLOW WRECKING BLOW.

edit: Only thing you really could have done there is gotten distance between you and him, but lol CRIT CHARGE CRIT CHARGE CRIT CHARGE.

Just move towards him so get in his back and use your abilities. Rinse and repeat.
Was and will be the best counter to wb spam when u cant cc ^^

To be perma knockbacked didnt happen to me at live. Play on pc.

Rev Rielle · September 2015

Yes, it's utter ridiculous. Every second battle these days is just wrecking blow over and over again, with an ultimate thrown in when it's ready. PvP in this game is just a joke.

FriedEggSandwich · September 2015

YAY!! I've been saying this for a while but had no proof. CC immunity is broken for sure and always has been. It really needs fixing for the sake of fair fights. Similar thing have happened to me with fear/fossilize/spear, it's not just wrecking blow it's all cc. Nothing more frustrating than being CC'd straight after a CC break.

FriedEggSandwich · September 2015

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

I'm not saying you would always win but a lot of what i see are poor choices in PvP.

You never did anything to knock him off the ledge or stuff, etc.
as a Templar you cause use the jabs or DPS and heal yourself or just lance them off the ledge or down and DPS them.

The video was more of a demonstration about how you can be CC'd immediately affter a CC break, with white circles round your feet, not a whine about wrecking blow. This thread needs a bump, and some tags @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler

TheArchitects · September 2015

That was hilarious :-) The thing is, this kind of wb spamming only works against people like you.

I have done my share of using it like this and any player who has spent more than 30 minutes in cyrodiil and have a working brain can counter this kind of spamming. I really dont see a problem here. Maybe zerg less and take a look at your build?

FriedEggSandwich · September 2015

TheArchitects wrote: »

That was hilarious :-) The thing is, this kind of wb spamming only works against people like you.

I have done my share of using it like this and any player who has spent more than 30 minutes in cyrodiil and have a working brain can counter this kind of spamming. I really dont see a problem here. Maybe zerg less and take a look at your build?

You're missing the point completely. The OP isn't complaining about wrecking blow, the video wasn't trying to demonstrate sick skillz or op builds or anything like that. The video is trying to demonstrate that CC immunity is broken. This doesn't warrant any kind of 'l2p' response, sorry.

Molag_Crow · September 2015

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

TheArchitects wrote: »

That was hilarious :-) The thing is, this kind of wb spamming only works against people like you.

I have done my share of using it like this and any player who has spent more than 30 minutes in cyrodiil and have a working brain can counter this kind of spamming. I really dont see a problem here. Maybe zerg less and take a look at your build?

You're missing the point completely. The OP isn't complaining about wrecking blow, the video wasn't trying to demonstrate sick skillz or op builds or anything like that. The video is trying to demonstrate that CC immunity is broken. This doesn't warrant any kind of 'l2p' response, sorry.

Exactly, and thank you for making it clear!

DragonxTortoise · September 2015

You are just standing there and getting hit by someone who used 1 skill multiple times? I don't see the problem. Maybe he could complain because you keep healing yourself over and over??..

Molag_Crow · September 2015

DragonxTortoise wrote: »

You are just standing there and getting hit by someone who used 1 skill multiple times? I don't see the problem. Maybe he could complain because you keep healing yourself over and over??..

I could have done 100000 things but It's about CC immunity buff not applying properly, not what I didn't do or not

Gilvoth · September 2015

the only time you were knocked down was when the immunity ended.
exactly how do you know when immunity ends?
its when that white circling ring around the bottom of your character stops showing.
and as you can see in the video as proof, every time your immunity ended it allowed for you to be thrown again.
i see nothing here that is wrong nor broken.
and by the way, you have to block that in order to stop it from happen also.
and also, there are pots that you can use that stop knockdown also.

Molag_Crow · September 2015

@dwemer_paleologist

Sharee wrote: »

Okay. Watching the video i think i can see the issue.

First thing, you are getting immunity everytime you recover from a wrecking blow knockdown, and it lasts ~6 seconds everytime, as it should. However, the immunity is only applied after you stand up, and there is a brief window between you standing up and you getting the immunity where you are vulnerable to a knockdown again.

Chronology of what happens in the video:

0:01 - you get hit by the first knockdown
0:05 - you stand up, and your first immunity starts. (notice that the immunity only starts after you stand up, not while you are lying down)
0:11 - your first immunity expires
0:12 - you get hit by the second knockdown
<up until this point everything is working as it should. but now...>
0:14 - you stand up from the 2nd knockdown, but your immunity has not been applied yet. You eat the 3rd knockdown
0:15 - NOW your immunity from the 2nd knockdown is applied (too late). You are lying on the floor, with immunity running.
0:21 - your second immunity expires
0:22 - 4th knockdown, and the end.

The problem is that while you did get immunity from the 2nd knockdown, it came a split second too late, you got knocked down in meantime, and your immunity was wasted since you were lying on the floor while it was running.

TLDR: the bug is this: immunity after a knockdown is applied a split second too late, allowing two successive knockdowns if the 2nd knockdown is timed precisely between character standing up from 1st knockdown and the immunity from 1st knockdown being applied.

Dazmilan09 · September 2015

CrowsDescend wrote: »

Kobaal wrote: »

block when you see it comming.

Yeah I wanted to save stamina to break out and whatnot, but errr.. I could have even mist formed away or just Jabbed him back, but it doesn't matter.. the way it is spammed is what's concerning me.

Naw, looks like you just need to learn to play and put a skill on your bar that mitigates you from getting *** canned.

Waffennacht · September 2015

Dazmilan09 wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

Kobaal wrote: »

block when you see it comming.

Yeah I wanted to save stamina to break out and whatnot, but errr.. I could have even mist formed away or just Jabbed him back, but it doesn't matter.. the way it is spammed is what's concerning me.

Naw, looks like you just need to learn to play and put a skill on your bar that mitigates you from getting *** canned.

What is so hard to understand???!!!!

Its not how he played!!! Its NOT THE SPAM!!!

Its the FACT that the game mechanic is BUGGED! THE TIMER IS OFF.

My why do you people post without reading? Its a bug. Period. Nothing to do with any move or anything but the timer for CC immunity gets out of sync

Edit: please read @Sharee post, clearly states the problem

Molag_Crow · September 2015

Dazmilan09 wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

Kobaal wrote: »

block when you see it comming.

Yeah I wanted to save stamina to break out and whatnot, but errr.. I could have even mist formed away or just Jabbed him back, but it doesn't matter.. the way it is spammed is what's concerning me.

Naw, looks like you just need to learn to play and put a skill on your bar that mitigates you from getting *** canned.

@Dazmilan09

You're probably just mad because you use WB, or shall I say; Spam WB. I'm speaking the truth about WB and you get personal so it's pretty obvious. I know you won't admit it though.

Dazmilan09 · September 2015

Lol, naw I have a little more skill than that. I didn't always know everything ya know. I once used wrecking blow in my pvp rotation. But, now I don't even use wrecking blow because It's too slow and most people dodge it so easy that it leaves you open to attack. It's okay you'll learn soon enough. My NB is my stamina user thus my 2h user. In 1v1 I'd rather play around and dragon your sta than wreck you to death. It's much more frustrating. But eigh.

LiquidZ · September 2015

I think this shows that the healing is broken. It shouldn't take that long to kill anybody even if they are healing and popping potions. Especially with the damage that skill is supposed to do.