NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Asherons_Call wrote: »

"Niche crowd?" Sorry I wouldn't call a majority a niche crowd. Oh and the stuff at the end is a diversion of the current debate

The overall crowd interested in discussing this feature is niche. Whether its for or against in all the thread polls since March its less than 2,000 ppl for all consoles and PC

regardless of your opinions you can't develop an argument proving that more than 1% of the overall population cares enough to come voice their opinions on the topic here.

I feel like the forum accurately depicts the entire communities thoughts. Especially when the answer is either yes or no, two options. Seriously, how far off could it be?

If anything, they have more of a reason to implement the change, because if their wrong no one gets hurt.

If they don't implement the change and their wrong, they die! Just kidding, prolly nothing major happens but still.... It would be so great to have. I dream of being able to reality easily find a group.

Nergie4242 wrote: »

Ive actually been playing a bit again. Levelling a new char on AD kinda with a friend. Been trying to do instance today and this has been the story.

1st Pop. 4 people all show up. However the guy who queued as a healer had queued as all 3 roles and wasnt on mic so we couldnt ask him to heal or gtfo. We booted him. But due to shocking group finder we didnt get another heal. .

2nd Pop. No one showed up but me. No one on mic.

3rd pop. 3 people in group. No healer. Tried to do it wiped.

My point? These are situations where text chat is vital. In the first pop we couldnt even ask the guy if he was a healer ffs. 2nd I could have typed instructions on how to get to instance if they were new and didnt know.

3rd and also for the first we could type in local group LF heal. And probably filled the group in minutes.

This is why people like me leave the game. Why every person I have spoken to who plays or used to play this game say the non inclusion of text is either 'weird' or 'stupid' depending on how passive the person is. There are situations were text chat is not preferable but essential you anti texters can bury your head in the sand all you like but text would only improve the game. Not diminish it. Especially with a group finder as crappy as this one is.

Nergie....you make good points of interest of why a text chat feature makes sense for you but....these are people problems not communication issues. If they won't talk, then they may or may not text chat. No one can draw a conclusion from these examples that one rectifies the other. Did you send them a text msg or are you assuming the communication issue is voice only without verifying the issue?

My suggestion to these situations is to development meaningful TESO relationships with actual in-game friends who you can play with and for PUGs...expect the unexpected. on PC ppl are apprehensive and suggest to enjoy the game, find a good guild to avoid the unexpected.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Nergie4242 wrote: »

Ive actually been playing a bit again. Levelling a new char on AD kinda with a friend. Been trying to do instance today and this has been the story.

1st Pop. 4 people all show up. However the guy who queued as a healer had queued as all 3 roles and wasnt on mic so we couldnt ask him to heal or gtfo. We booted him. But due to shocking group finder we didnt get another heal. .

2nd Pop. No one showed up but me. No one on mic.

3rd pop. 3 people in group. No healer. Tried to do it wiped.

My point? These are situations where text chat is vital. In the first pop we couldnt even ask the guy if he was a healer ffs. 2nd I could have typed instructions on how to get to instance if they were new and didnt know.

3rd and also for the first we could type in local group LF heal. And probably filled the group in minutes.

This is why people like me leave the game. Why every person I have spoken to who plays or used to play this game say the non inclusion of text is either 'weird' or 'stupid' depending on how passive the person is. There are situations were text chat is not preferable but essential you anti texters can bury your head in the sand all you like but text would only improve the game. Not diminish it. Especially with a group finder as crappy as this one is.

Nergie....you make good points of interest of why a text chat feature makes sense for you but....these are people problems not communication issues. If they won't talk, then they may or may not text chat. No one can draw a conclusion from these examples that one rectifies the other. Did you send them a text msg or are you assuming the communication issue is voice only without verifying the issue?

My suggestion to these situations is to development meaningful TESO relationships with actual in-game friends who you can play with and for PUGs...expect the unexpected. on PC ppl are apprehensive and suggest to enjoy the game, find a good guild to avoid the unexpected.

You cant respond to everyone on here and devalue their opinion by saying "it's a people problem" and they need to use 3rd party tools to make it work for them.. The developers need to engineer in ways to make socialization easy and fun for the majority. The group tool and was novel but it failed. Time to go to the tired and true text chat.

robkrush wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Nergie4242 wrote: »

Ive actually been playing a bit again. Levelling a new char on AD kinda with a friend. Been trying to do instance today and this has been the story.

1st Pop. 4 people all show up. However the guy who queued as a healer had queued as all 3 roles and wasnt on mic so we couldnt ask him to heal or gtfo. We booted him. But due to shocking group finder we didnt get another heal. .

2nd Pop. No one showed up but me. No one on mic.

3rd pop. 3 people in group. No healer. Tried to do it wiped.

My point? These are situations where text chat is vital. In the first pop we couldnt even ask the guy if he was a healer ffs. 2nd I could have typed instructions on how to get to instance if they were new and didnt know.

3rd and also for the first we could type in local group LF heal. And probably filled the group in minutes.

This is why people like me leave the game. Why every person I have spoken to who plays or used to play this game say the non inclusion of text is either 'weird' or 'stupid' depending on how passive the person is. There are situations were text chat is not preferable but essential you anti texters can bury your head in the sand all you like but text would only improve the game. Not diminish it. Especially with a group finder as crappy as this one is.

Nergie....you make good points of interest of why a text chat feature makes sense for you but....these are people problems not communication issues. If they won't talk, then they may or may not text chat. No one can draw a conclusion from these examples that one rectifies the other. Did you send them a text msg or are you assuming the communication issue is voice only without verifying the issue?

My suggestion to these situations is to development meaningful TESO relationships with actual in-game friends who you can play with and for PUGs...expect the unexpected. on PC ppl are apprehensive and suggest to enjoy the game, find a good guild to avoid the unexpected.

You cant respond to everyone on here and devalue their opinion by saying "it's a people problem" and they need to use 3rd party tools to make it work for them.. The developers need to engineer in ways to make socialization easy and fun for the majority. The group tool and was novel but it failed. Time to go to the tired and true text chat.

I don't follow why you interpret my comment as devaluing their opinion.

Nergie....you make good points of interest of why a text chat feature makes sense for you

The ask of did they use text via the console isn't third party...its first party as the console makers software is always primary over the game itself but the point of the comment was to understand IF its truly a resolution to have text chat from their experience. If Nergie didn't do that maybe next time Nergie will and I'm sure Nergie will comment as such so we all learn what may be viable in a given experience from one user to the next.

The game socially is too many fun already which is why you get things that are cool, normal and also get things that are unexpected and annoying. Text chat has spams and walls of text...voice chat has weird sounds and music playing.

That's a people problem on all platforms

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

robkrush wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Nergie4242 wrote: »

Ive actually been playing a bit again. Levelling a new char on AD kinda with a friend. Been trying to do instance today and this has been the story.

1st Pop. 4 people all show up. However the guy who queued as a healer had queued as all 3 roles and wasnt on mic so we couldnt ask him to heal or gtfo. We booted him. But due to shocking group finder we didnt get another heal. .

2nd Pop. No one showed up but me. No one on mic.

3rd pop. 3 people in group. No healer. Tried to do it wiped.

My point? These are situations where text chat is vital. In the first pop we couldnt even ask the guy if he was a healer ffs. 2nd I could have typed instructions on how to get to instance if they were new and didnt know.

3rd and also for the first we could type in local group LF heal. And probably filled the group in minutes.

This is why people like me leave the game. Why every person I have spoken to who plays or used to play this game say the non inclusion of text is either 'weird' or 'stupid' depending on how passive the person is. There are situations were text chat is not preferable but essential you anti texters can bury your head in the sand all you like but text would only improve the game. Not diminish it. Especially with a group finder as crappy as this one is.

Nergie....you make good points of interest of why a text chat feature makes sense for you but....these are people problems not communication issues. If they won't talk, then they may or may not text chat. No one can draw a conclusion from these examples that one rectifies the other. Did you send them a text msg or are you assuming the communication issue is voice only without verifying the issue?

My suggestion to these situations is to development meaningful TESO relationships with actual in-game friends who you can play with and for PUGs...expect the unexpected. on PC ppl are apprehensive and suggest to enjoy the game, find a good guild to avoid the unexpected.

You cant respond to everyone on here and devalue their opinion by saying "it's a people problem" and they need to use 3rd party tools to make it work for them.. The developers need to engineer in ways to make socialization easy and fun for the majority. The group tool and was novel but it failed. Time to go to the tired and true text chat.

I don't follow why you interpret my comment as devaluing their opinion.

Nergie....you make good points of interest of why a text chat feature makes sense for you

The ask of did they use text via the console isn't third party...its first party as the console makers software is always primary over the game itself but the point of the comment was to understand IF its truly a resolution to have text chat from their experience. If Nergie didn't do that maybe next time Nergie will and I'm sure Nergie will comment as such so we all learn what may be viable in a given experience from one user to the next.

The game socially is too many fun already which is why you get things that are cool, normal and also get things that are unexpected and annoying. Text chat has spams and walls of text...voice chat has weird sounds and music playing.

That's a people problem on all platforms

You can't control people, you can engineer processes and systems to make it as easy and enjoyable as possible taking into account people are unpredictable.

I say that a LFG text chat channel, that anyone could toggle on when needed, would reach way more people than going to the Undaunted camp and screaming over people and would be faster than using that broken group tool. Plus, people with social problems, women, mutes, etc. Would be able to communicate. Etc. Etc. Etc.

Voice chat would still be there. I don't want to get rid of that unless it is a one or the other chouce, then I choose, text.

I would stop there. A trade text channel would be great. And a PVP channel. And a discussion channel.

Note he still tries to tell others what to talk about.

ZOS changed the entire structure of the game from a sub to a cash shop.

They can change this too.

He doesn't want text chat ever , he's said so.

You don't have to listen to him nor talk about what he wants to , if you want real , normal ,text chat , continue to ask for it.

It's completely "realistic" they can change their minds and add it.

He just doesn't want them to , and doesn't want you to continue to ask them to.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

robkrush wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

robkrush wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Nergie4242 wrote: »

Ive actually been playing a bit again. Levelling a new char on AD kinda with a friend. Been trying to do instance today and this has been the story.

1st Pop. 4 people all show up. However the guy who queued as a healer had queued as all 3 roles and wasnt on mic so we couldnt ask him to heal or gtfo. We booted him. But due to shocking group finder we didnt get another heal. .

2nd Pop. No one showed up but me. No one on mic.

3rd pop. 3 people in group. No healer. Tried to do it wiped.

My point? These are situations where text chat is vital. In the first pop we couldnt even ask the guy if he was a healer ffs. 2nd I could have typed instructions on how to get to instance if they were new and didnt know.

3rd and also for the first we could type in local group LF heal. And probably filled the group in minutes.

This is why people like me leave the game. Why every person I have spoken to who plays or used to play this game say the non inclusion of text is either 'weird' or 'stupid' depending on how passive the person is. There are situations were text chat is not preferable but essential you anti texters can bury your head in the sand all you like but text would only improve the game. Not diminish it. Especially with a group finder as crappy as this one is.

Nergie....you make good points of interest of why a text chat feature makes sense for you but....these are people problems not communication issues. If they won't talk, then they may or may not text chat. No one can draw a conclusion from these examples that one rectifies the other. Did you send them a text msg or are you assuming the communication issue is voice only without verifying the issue?

My suggestion to these situations is to development meaningful TESO relationships with actual in-game friends who you can play with and for PUGs...expect the unexpected. on PC ppl are apprehensive and suggest to enjoy the game, find a good guild to avoid the unexpected.

You cant respond to everyone on here and devalue their opinion by saying "it's a people problem" and they need to use 3rd party tools to make it work for them.. The developers need to engineer in ways to make socialization easy and fun for the majority. The group tool and was novel but it failed. Time to go to the tired and true text chat.

I don't follow why you interpret my comment as devaluing their opinion.

Nergie....you make good points of interest of why a text chat feature makes sense for you

The ask of did they use text via the console isn't third party...its first party as the console makers software is always primary over the game itself but the point of the comment was to understand IF its truly a resolution to have text chat from their experience. If Nergie didn't do that maybe next time Nergie will and I'm sure Nergie will comment as such so we all learn what may be viable in a given experience from one user to the next.

The game socially is too many fun already which is why you get things that are cool, normal and also get things that are unexpected and annoying. Text chat has spams and walls of text...voice chat has weird sounds and music playing.

That's a people problem on all platforms

You can't control people, you can engineer processes and systems to make it as easy and enjoyable as possible taking into account people are unpredictable.

I say that a LFG text chat channel, that anyone could toggle on when needed, would reach way more people than going to the Undaunted camp and screaming over people and would be faster than using that broken group tool. Plus, people with social problems, women, mutes, etc. Would be able to communicate. Etc. Etc. Etc.

Voice chat would still be there. I don't want to get rid of that unless it is a one or the other chouce, then I choose, text.

I would stop there. A trade text channel would be great. And a PVP channel. And a discussion channel.

Robkrush,

SOrry if any of my comments made or are making you conclude that I'm trying to control anyone.
I am intentionally trying to discuss and bring to a head a realistic proposal that all sides of this discussion are onboard with.

The big part is navigating along what ZOS hasn't decided against.
Will you help keep the discussion to that tune and also add ideas with me around that theme?

I was not implying YOU are trying to control anyone. I'm saying that I agree there is a people problem but I take it one step farther back and say he people problem is caused by not having the right tools for the job. In this case, we need a better tools to communicate for everyone.

I then summed up my "realistic proposal".

"I say that a LFG text chat channel, that anyone, anywhere, could toggle on when needed, would reach way more people than going to the Undaunted camp and screaming over people and would be faster than using that broken group tool. Plus, people with social problems, women, mutes, etc. would be able to communicate as well. Etc. Etc. Etc.

Voice chat would still be there. I don't want to get rid of that unless it is a one or the other chouce, then I choose, text.

I wouldnt stop there. A trade text channel would be great. And a PVP channel. And a discussion channel."

As far as the "navigation" theme you mentioned, I don't know what you are referring to.

An undeniable fact, though someone will try to deny it in the next few post, text chat is proven to be the most efficient form of communication in mmo's. I'm not going to list all that I've played but in every single one text chat works. I have never been on any mmo forum and seen people posting "we need voice chat, text chat isn't good enough".

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

robkrush wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

robkrush wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Nergie4242 wrote: »

Ive actually been playing a bit again. Levelling a new char on AD kinda with a friend. Been trying to do instance today and this has been the story.

1st Pop. 4 people all show up. However the guy who queued as a healer had queued as all 3 roles and wasnt on mic so we couldnt ask him to heal or gtfo. We booted him. But due to shocking group finder we didnt get another heal. .

2nd Pop. No one showed up but me. No one on mic.

3rd pop. 3 people in group. No healer. Tried to do it wiped.

My point? These are situations where text chat is vital. In the first pop we couldnt even ask the guy if he was a healer ffs. 2nd I could have typed instructions on how to get to instance if they were new and didnt know.

3rd and also for the first we could type in local group LF heal. And probably filled the group in minutes.

This is why people like me leave the game. Why every person I have spoken to who plays or used to play this game say the non inclusion of text is either 'weird' or 'stupid' depending on how passive the person is. There are situations were text chat is not preferable but essential you anti texters can bury your head in the sand all you like but text would only improve the game. Not diminish it. Especially with a group finder as crappy as this one is.

Nergie....you make good points of interest of why a text chat feature makes sense for you but....these are people problems not communication issues. If they won't talk, then they may or may not text chat. No one can draw a conclusion from these examples that one rectifies the other. Did you send them a text msg or are you assuming the communication issue is voice only without verifying the issue?

My suggestion to these situations is to development meaningful TESO relationships with actual in-game friends who you can play with and for PUGs...expect the unexpected. on PC ppl are apprehensive and suggest to enjoy the game, find a good guild to avoid the unexpected.

You cant respond to everyone on here and devalue their opinion by saying "it's a people problem" and they need to use 3rd party tools to make it work for them.. The developers need to engineer in ways to make socialization easy and fun for the majority. The group tool and was novel but it failed. Time to go to the tired and true text chat.

I don't follow why you interpret my comment as devaluing their opinion.

Nergie....you make good points of interest of why a text chat feature makes sense for you

The ask of did they use text via the console isn't third party...its first party as the console makers software is always primary over the game itself but the point of the comment was to understand IF its truly a resolution to have text chat from their experience. If Nergie didn't do that maybe next time Nergie will and I'm sure Nergie will comment as such so we all learn what may be viable in a given experience from one user to the next.

The game socially is too many fun already which is why you get things that are cool, normal and also get things that are unexpected and annoying. Text chat has spams and walls of text...voice chat has weird sounds and music playing.

That's a people problem on all platforms

You can't control people, you can engineer processes and systems to make it as easy and enjoyable as possible taking into account people are unpredictable.

I say that a LFG text chat channel, that anyone could toggle on when needed, would reach way more people than going to the Undaunted camp and screaming over people and would be faster than using that broken group tool. Plus, people with social problems, women, mutes, etc. Would be able to communicate. Etc. Etc. Etc.

Voice chat would still be there. I don't want to get rid of that unless it is a one or the other chouce, then I choose, text.

I would stop there. A trade text channel would be great. And a PVP channel. And a discussion channel.

Robkrush,

SOrry if any of my comments made or are making you conclude that I'm trying to control anyone.
I am intentionally trying to discuss and bring to a head a realistic proposal that all sides of this discussion are onboard with.

The big part is navigating along what ZOS hasn't decided against.
Will you help keep the discussion to that tune and also add ideas with me around that theme?

A realistic proposal that all sides are on board with:

1 add text chat
2 add the ability to minimize the chat box for minimalists

I voted no because clearly ZoS is taking a visionary stance. Voice and no text is the way of the future and ZoS will guide us into the new era.

Sylvyr wrote: »

I voted no because clearly ZoS is taking a visionary stance. Voice and no text is the way of the future and ZoS will guide us into the new era.

That will be probably the belief right up until that fateful board meeting to discuss why console gamer numbers dropped off a cliff over the months post release & why 'no one' said 'anything' about the underlying issues until it was too far gone to fix.

I'm totally behind this community push for text chat, but I think it's testament to how short sighted the original console port design of this game was and how the lack of proper community feedback channel processes during it's 'one year delay' before launch was an extremely poor decision.

This feature among many others (like a WORKING LFG TOOL) should have been key fundamentals before launch, but simply were assumed they could be addressed post launch.

After my Neverwinter experience on X1 I was gunshy on any further investment into a MMO unless I knew I'd be there for the long term.

But with what I've experienced of ESO so far, I'm just glad I've not opened my wallet any further and community protests like this just confirm that there's no reason for me to open my wallet in the near future either.

ZOS are not engaging the community on what features and functionality they want in a game like this, they're moving with their own vision and ignoring the feedback (until after the fact) and letting people vote with the wallet on design choices instead.

I'm happy to oblige.

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Kleptobrainiac wrote: »

Eventually, this thread will be archived with the likes of these forward thinking individuals...

humanscience.wikia.com/wiki/Worst_Predictions

Please don't tell me you think you are a forward thinking individual @Kleptobrainiac ... I'd be terribly concerned about your definition of such a being.

EXHIBIT A:
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Kleptobrainiac wrote: »

mistermutiny89 wrote: »

Kleptobrainiac wrote: »

Ace_of_Destiny wrote: »

Kleptobrainiac wrote: »

ZoS says no. Then says it has nothing new to say about addressing text chat. Why is this still being bumped? It's over and that's okay. C'mon guys, let's hug this one out, aye?



The tears were delicious but all things must pass.

... after mass outcries from the playerbase they changed this.

Exactly. So now you see why this whole text chat thing has lost.

We'll continue to fight for text chat mate, even if this post is still being bumped in 2020. In cases that are dire to the game's overall community communication whilst online like this we aren't going to accept no. Not from Zenimax and not from you.

If this thread is in anyway affecting your time personally in a negative way on this forum there is a tab to report it to the admins. I suggest you use it or move on. Or just keeping bumping the post! Up to you! Hope this helped.

I'll probably just continue to bump it every now and then when I'm bored & it pops up on page one. Once IC drops I'm sure Zen will close this thread anyway. It's fairly obvious that it was the reason they consolidated the topics to this thread.

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_MaryB wrote: »

Hi, everyone. We understand that people are going to disagree from time to time, but please remember to keep your comments respectful at all times on our forums, even when you disagree with others. Insults or other disruptive behavior do not help further discussion and can move a thread off topic quickly. We encourage sharing opinions, but we ask that they are constructively stated when doing so, as this will help keep the discussion on track. Thank you!

What a well thought out response from the staff. I'm glad you were able to clarify the issue for everyone so that there was no more confusion on the topic. This will surely cease all further conflict on the subject.

Lol. I won't lie, you made me smile with this post.

There are about six in total and not one of them addresses the actual topic. Can they really do nothing more than police threads and offer nothing of substance?