Already a little nostalgic of 1.6/2.0 [Tiny Vid Included]

coryrenick_ESO · September 2015

krim wrote: »

I knew my limits and i knew how to counter everything in the game. I think people have a hard time understanding theirs and expect to be on par with everyone else without putting any thought or work in.

And like I've been saying, people can actually begin to understand their limits when they aren't bursted down to nothing in seconds.
I only started PvPing since 1.6 started, you are right. Joined a PvP guild, studied guides, tried in vain to figure out all these tactics and counters I'm told exist, only to get stomped into the ground over and over and over and over again without any idea if anything I was doing even had an effect simply because I died so quickly. I followed every advice my guild gave me and I swear I still don't put out the kind of weapon damage by stats say I should. And trying the other way, stacking defense and regen didn't seem to work either, still bursted down to nothing, and the odd defensive posture or block just meant I died a second or two later with zero magicka or stamina. Even in frickin' group battles, I had to pray I was ignored in the fray because I'd crumple like paper the minute I got so much as looked at.
Now that I don't die instantly, I actually have the ability to figure a few things out before my untimely demise, and all you whiny 1vXers can still loot my stones when I'm just as dead as before. I don't feel like you've lost any advantage you had before, just the savage intensity of it, and I can hardly be sympathetic when folks' only defense against you is to group up and dedicate roles. You're still just a badass as before even if you can only take 5 people instead of 10, and in the meantime those 5 will actually have a chance to learn something.

krim · September 2015

coryrenick_ESO wrote: »

krim wrote: »

I knew my limits and i knew how to counter everything in the game. I think people have a hard time understanding theirs and expect to be on par with everyone else without putting any thought or work in.

And like I've been saying, people can actually begin to understand their limits when they aren't bursted down to nothing in seconds.
I only started PvPing since 1.6 started, you are right. Joined a PvP guild, studied guides, tried in vain to figure out all these tactics and counters I'm told exist, only to get stomped into the ground over and over and over and over again without any idea if anything I was doing even had an effect simply because I died so quickly. I followed every advice my guild gave me and I swear I still don't put out the kind of weapon damage by stats say I should. And trying the other way, stacking defense and regen didn't seem to work either, still bursted down to nothing, and the odd defensive posture or block just meant I died a second or two later with zero magicka or stamina. Even in frickin' group battles, I had to pray I was ignored in the fray because I'd crumple like paper the minute I got so much as looked at.
Now that I don't die instantly, I actually have the ability to figure a few things out before my untimely demise, and all you whiny 1vXers can still loot my stones when I'm just as dead as before. I don't feel like you've lost any advantage you had before, just the savage intensity of it, and I can hardly be sympathetic when folks' only defense against you is to group up and dedicate roles. You're still just a badass as before even if you can only take 5 people instead of 10, and in the meantime those 5 will actually have a chance to learn something.

1.6 is the biggest failure this game has seen. I understand some people like everything to be easy and handed to them. Now you have 1.7 enjoy.

Maulkin · September 2015

@coryrenick_ESO

You're seeing it the wrong way. I wasn't killing them for me, I was killing them for them. To teach them the way of the Jedi. To show them the power of the Force. It was a favour I was doing really, a charity if you will. All for their benefit.

coryrenick_ESO · September 2015

krim wrote: »

I understand some people like everything to be easy and handed to them.

It's hilarious when you say this in a thread about not being able to kill scrubs as quickly as you used to.
You should be happy. No more easy noob kills being handed to you. And as I keep mentioning, kills aren't being denied to you either, they may just take longer. Don't feel like working for your kills?

krim · September 2015

coryrenick_ESO wrote: »

krim wrote: »

I understand some people like everything to be easy and handed to them.

It's hilarious when you say this in a thread about not being able to kill scrubs as quickly as you used to.
You should be happy. No more easy noob kills being handed to you. And as I keep mentioning, kills aren't being denied to you either, they may just take longer. Don't feel like working for your kills?

It really isn't you are just misinformed and keep overlooking the fact that people have put in a lot thought and time for it to all be thrown away for the sake of those who dont put in the same effort.

coryrenick_ESO · September 2015

krim wrote: »

coryrenick_ESO wrote: »

krim wrote: »

I understand some people like everything to be easy and handed to them.

It's hilarious when you say this in a thread about not being able to kill scrubs as quickly as you used to.
You should be happy. No more easy noob kills being handed to you. And as I keep mentioning, kills aren't being denied to you either, they may just take longer. Don't feel like working for your kills?

It really isn't you are just misinformed and keep overlooking the fact that people have put in a lot thought and time for it to all be thrown away for the sake of those who dont put in the same effort.

See, the thing is, you don't know how much effort anyone's putting in.
You assume too much if you're saying the only reason people die is because they're not putting in enough effort. It's also cocky to assume you yourself are most definitely putting in the right amount of effort to be successful.

I'll probably never even come close to being Emperor or 1vXing like a boss, but doesn't mean I haven't tried set after set of gear with Willow's, Hunding's, Lamae's, Whitestrake's, Unassailable, Air, Martial Knowledge, and more, grinding out CP in Craglorn, and specing and respecing over and over again to try and gain any advantage. I still stink on ice, but I never even knew if I was one the right track because folk who had left me no chance to survive. 1.7 actually gives me some time to take it all in and improve, while I don't believe it adds any effort on your part, just the time it takes to achieve the same results.

FireCowCommando · September 2015

Still in 2.0 on console, and i agree a good group ALWAYS has a negate to try to shut me down.

Thankfully, through my understanding of the game mechanics, I use a potion that grants me immoveable during that period, so i can continue to try to kill one or two before im overwhelmed.

The easiest group to kill? that would be the players who assume their numbers make them invulnerable and put nothing into defense, or group support/healing.

^ That is in 2.0, with the overall re-calculation of damage, along with decreased damage, players who overestimate themselves in relation to group strength are stronger not because they learned active defense, but because ZoS handed them lots of passive defense.

Passive defense =/= positive change. It means if you do absolutely nothing, you get rewarded.

Example:
Lets say your playing a FPS, and 1 player was wrecking the enemy of oh.. 15 players. So the admin reduces ALL damage by X%, to the point where no matter how much damage that 1 guy can do, no matter how masterful his play, he loses.

Everyone has access to the same stuff, they just needed to tone down specific aspects, while fixing the ones broken in 1.6.

krim · September 2015

coryrenick_ESO wrote: »

krim wrote: »

coryrenick_ESO wrote: »

krim wrote: »

I understand some people like everything to be easy and handed to them.

It's hilarious when you say this in a thread about not being able to kill scrubs as quickly as you used to.
You should be happy. No more easy noob kills being handed to you. And as I keep mentioning, kills aren't being denied to you either, they may just take longer. Don't feel like working for your kills?

It really isn't you are just misinformed and keep overlooking the fact that people have put in a lot thought and time for it to all be thrown away for the sake of those who dont put in the same effort.

See, the thing is, you don't know how much effort anyone's putting in.
You assume too much if you're saying the only reason people die is because they're not putting in enough effort. It's also cocky to assume you yourself are most definitely putting in the right amount of effort to be successful.

I'll probably never even come close to being Emperor or 1vXing like a boss, but doesn't mean I haven't tried set after set of gear with Willow's, Hunding's, Lamae's, Whitestrake's, Unassailable, Air, Martial Knowledge, and more, grinding out CP in Craglorn, and specing and respecing over and over again to try and gain any advantage. I still stink on ice, but I never even knew if I was one the right track because folk who had left me no chance to survive. 1.7 actually gives me some time to take it all in and improve, while I don't believe it adds any effort on your part, just the time it takes to achieve the same results.

Maybe you tried different sets and skills. But did you bother to pick up on key signals on when you should block or dodge roll? Did you keybind your break free to a button for quicker reaction? Did you take the time to make sure you are using the right food and potions every single time you step out on to the field? These are the kinds of things that are required for you to be successful in pvp. You are not the only person getting killed in 1 second. Everyone has to deal with that. If there are players that deal with it successfully what does that say about everyone else who seems to be having issues?

coryrenick_ESO · September 2015

krim wrote: »

Everyone has to deal with that. If there are players that deal with it successfully what does that say about everyone else who seems to be having issues?

When it's the majority, that tells me it's a broken game. And luckily, Zenimax agrees with me.

Also, yes, I've done some of the things you suggest like food and break free. For others, like learning how to dodge roll at the right moment, it's near impossible when the price of failure is instant death., and also instant death if you don't then immediately react in the right way after dodge rolling. I'll reiterate yet again, the damage nerf allows me and other to actually have the chance to practice these skills and at worst, it's an inconvenience, not a threat, to you and the 1vXers.
There's nothing to learn if all block does for you is kill you have a second later with zero stamina.

ToRelax · September 2015

Player admits not having learned the basics within a half year of PvP.
Thinks he knows better what's wrong with the game than everyone else.

coryrenick_ESO · September 2015

ToRelax wrote: »

Player admits not having learned the basics within a half year of PvP.
Thinks he knows better what's wrong with the game than everyone else.

As I've mentioned many times, I have no opportunity to learn because I eat it in seconds. God forbid I have the chance to dodge roll a second time, or that it takes you two seconds more to kill me. Brings me back to the original contention, your only real grievance is not being able to kill noobs as quickly.

Maulkin · September 2015

Oops... wrong thread

Lucky28 · September 2015

coryrenick_ESO wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Player admits not having learned the basics within a half year of PvP.
Thinks he knows better what's wrong with the game than everyone else.

As I've mentioned many times, I have no opportunity to learn because I eat it in seconds. God forbid I have the chance to dodge roll a second time, or that it takes you two seconds more to kill me. Brings me back to the original contention, your only real grievance is not being able to kill noobs as quickly.

That's bull. i started on 1.6 same as you probably. and learned the mechanics on my own and became relatively good on my own, and i've only been playing the game for 3 months. you had every opportunity to learn, you just failed to do so.

Maulkin · September 2015

Nobody commenting on how I managed to masterfully synchronise a Proxy, a Dawnbreaker and the beat drop.

I did it all in Windows Movie Maker you heartless btards, spare a good word

Garion · September 2015

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Nobody commenting on how I managed to masterfully synchronise a Proxy, a Dawnbreaker and the beat drop.

I did it all in Windows Movie Maker you heartless btards, spare a good word

You have my admiration, Maulkin. I tried to edit some BS vids in WMM, and I quickly gave up!

Maulkin · September 2015

Garion wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Nobody commenting on how I managed to masterfully synchronise a Proxy, a Dawnbreaker and the beat drop.

I did it all in Windows Movie Maker you heartless btards, spare a good word

You have my admiration, Maulkin. I tried to edit some BS vids in WMM, and I quickly gave up!

Thank you Lasto

coryrenick_ESO · September 2015

Lucky28 wrote: »

coryrenick_ESO wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Player admits not having learned the basics within a half year of PvP.
Thinks he knows better what's wrong with the game than everyone else.

As I've mentioned many times, I have no opportunity to learn because I eat it in seconds. God forbid I have the chance to dodge roll a second time, or that it takes you two seconds more to kill me. Brings me back to the original contention, your only real grievance is not being able to kill noobs as quickly.

That's bull. i started on 1.6 same as you probably. and learned the mechanics on my own and became relatively good on my own, and i've only been playing the game for 3 months. you had every opportunity to learn, you just failed to do so.

So I'm not as quick a study as you. Doesn't mean I'm not putting in effort. What was it you did to become relatively good in three months? Have something besides "Play"? Because I've been trying that, and quite simply it hasn't been working. The damage I put out and the damage I take are almost an order of magnitude different, even in 1.7. While I regularly get hit with attacks in the 5-7K range, I have trouble hitting 2K on unblocked attacks even with 3000 weapon damage. Might actually be able to figure it out now that I can look at the enemy for more than two seconds before seeing a death recap.