Valn wrote: »

No one is going to ditch a zerg and go solo. Zergs are pretty much 100% survival rate unless you come across another zerg.

People can zerg all day, killing one or two players at a time, and each person in that zerg can still get more stones than one person getting stones by themselves.

zerg = less chance of losing your stones. Even though the rate is slower, i'll take that over solo play any day.

But it's not just lower, it's non existent and frankly boring, because nothing to fight for big raids in IC. Zergs wants to fight other zergs. They want to farm big numbers, for maximum pay of. Not kill some solo'er once in a while for like 2 stones.

In was in a large raid, about 18 players for a while and totally felt like I was zerging IC hard. There's no interesting or rewarding gameplay available for teams of that size. Not enough enemies at the same spots to fight. Not much loot or stones.

Go solo or with 2-4 players and kill some mobs, you make ten times more stuff and stones in a minute.

The IC map is huge, while population caps are restricted, so full raids mostly end up running around empty maps trying to find opponents. After a while they get bored. I sort of expect IC to kill a lot of PvP guilds, since no action for full guild raids. While Cyrodiil, the map with objectives for larger raids, is going to be empty from now on.

Don't hit me, but I thought everybody knows nearly everything of this by them selfs allready... It is quite obvious. No?
I thought there will be real tricks. Licke hidden passages or something

But I appreciate your effort. Good work!

Great post, thanks for posting.

Can you add this as a TLDR to your guide please

Troneon wrote: »

Tips for PVE players in IC.

1) Go full health and heal/tank build with LOTS OF MOBILITY AND STEALTH. SPAM ONE AOE DAMAGE SKILL.
2) Join a Zerg and stick to them like glue
3) Everytime you find yourself on your own and you see a zerg coming towards you...do the following.

Only kidding. :P

Zergs can pounce on you from out of nowhere in Cyrodiil proper. Your group of 7 or 8 thinks they are taking the flag and, boom, 40 enemy players who were in stealth on an overlook appear and steamroll you. And the resources and keeps and objectives create a natural choke point in Cyrodiil. And the expanse of Cyrodiil makes it easy to move 40 players a long distance with no one noticing them.

None of this applies in Imperial City.

It is hard for a big zerg to stay in stealth in Imperial City. It can be hard for the zerg to get to you without aggroing a dozen Daedra. There are no PvP objectives in Imperial City that create natural camping/farming sites. Can you avoid the zerg in Cyrodiil by avoiding mile gates and keeps and resource flags? Sure, but what's the point? In Imperial City, it is easier for small and medium groups to see the zerg from a distance and avoid them. And there is minimal downside to avoiding the zerg. There are plenty of mobs to kill and Tel Var stones to gain and trophies to accumulate and gear to decon around every corner. So if there is a zerg to the west of you, they will likely be visible and obvious, so you can go east. Or north. Or south. Or to another district. And a group of 8-12 will be better able to stealth and move in single file to avoid aggroing Daedra and the zerg does not even know you were there.

So I am happy to report that, at least so far, zergs are not that bad in Imperial City. They are still lethal! But it is not like Cyrodiil where the zergs are constantly standing between you and your objectives. You can just avoid the zergs and still accomplish plenty in Imperial City.

Edit: 1 exception. Zergs steamrolling through the sewers and camping the door between a faction's safe zone and the sewers. This is a choke point that is very zerg friendly. Players first experiences in Imperial City should not be walking through a door and getting insta-killed over and over again. Especially since players porting from safe zone into sewers, even in a group, will come in one at a time. So zerg can pick them off one at a time. This needs to be remedied. Maybe a sanctuary buff in the area around that door, so you can wait for your group to fully enter sewers before engaging?

This needs to be seen by more people. In fact, I'd love to see it added to and stickied.

Coming from an Xbox player who's excited to play IC, this is a very helpful post!

eliisra wrote: »

Valn wrote: »

No one is going to ditch a zerg and go solo. Zergs are pretty much 100% survival rate unless you come across another zerg.

People can zerg all day, killing one or two players at a time, and each person in that zerg can still get more stones than one person getting stones by themselves.

zerg = less chance of losing your stones. Even though the rate is slower, i'll take that over solo play any day.

But it's not just lower, it's non existent and frankly boring, because nothing to fight for big raids in IC. Zergs wants to fight other zergs. They want to farm big numbers, for maximum pay of. Not kill some solo'er once in a while for like 2 stones.

In was in a large raid, about 18 players for a while and totally felt like I was zerging IC hard. There's no interesting or rewarding gameplay available for teams of that size. Not enough enemies at the same spots to fight. Not much loot or stones.

Go solo or with 2-4 players and kill some mobs, you make ten times more stuff and stones in a minute.

The IC map is huge, while population caps are restricted, so full raids mostly end up running around empty maps trying to find opponents. After a while they get bored. I sort of expect IC to kill a lot of PvP guilds, since no action for full guild raids. While Cyrodiil, the map with objectives for larger raids, is going to be empty from now on.

Just as with DAoC, PvPers will get the gear they need and be done with IC in a couple weeks. And unless they make entrance rotate somehow, PvPers won't come in too much. Except the kitten kickers, who will live there to gank poor PvErs.

This is all obvious advice for anyone who is at least PvP rank 15 and isnt ignoring the fact that he is in a PvP zone...

Sounds like fun, but I gotta wash my hair.

Thanks mate. + rep

Came here expecting a massive troll left well informed and less bad at pvp...... Shame on you @olemanwinter

This is one of the greatest posts this forum has ever seen. Perfectly stated. The part about situational awareness is key and, in my view, the single biggest difference between good and bad players.

Lorkhan wrote: »

someone give OP a medal