PC users are now the beta tester's for the new patch

Van_0S · September 2015

So,it seems the consoles will get the right/fixed patch and then PC.

EDIT: I am a PC player.So I am guessing zeni is using us all(PC players) to get a solution for their new patch and then bring out a new patch for PC after consoles.

Molag_Crow · September 2015

vortexman11 · September 2015

Oh! So we finally left Alpha! Us PC players are really moving up in the world!

Corpsage · September 2015

Your point..? It's no secret we were playing on the Public Test Server before launch yesterday. Was there something you missed or just feeling the need to cry in a thread because PC got it first? If you don't want to test things for the devs or get a finished product first, please go play console.

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO · September 2015

I've just worked it out, should have thought of it sooner really. All software houses are now using the latest version of RAD (Rapid Application Development), the idea is to throw out anything so the Marketing Director can hit his target and get his comfortable bonus. The methodology was pioneered by the Marketing Director of Microsoft, and now all software houses have got a sweepstake to see who can spend the least amount of time developing anything before selling it on.

Well, I've beaten you all, I own a company that will be building the ultimate gaming laptops, my machines have liquid nitrogen cooling, a CPU that would make Cmdr Data look dumb, enough RAM to hold the FBI database in, and a SSD that's big enough to hold the total amount of spam ever created as well as a GPU card that would put reality to shame. For %15,000 I will send you a cardboard box and eventually send you the required components

You can trust me as I am a Nigerian General with loads of gold to pay for my business venture

JDar · September 2015

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

I've just worked it out, should have thought of it sooner really. All software houses are now using the latest version of RAD (Rapid Application Development), the idea is to throw out anything so the Marketing Director can hit his target and get his comfortable bonus. The methodology was pioneered by the Marketing Director of Microsoft, and now all software houses have got a sweepstake to see who can spend the least amount of time developing anything before selling it on.

Well, I've beaten you all, I own a company that will be building the ultimate gaming laptops, my machines have liquid nitrogen cooling, a CPU that would make Cmdr Data look dumb, enough RAM to hold the FBI database in, and a SSD that's big enough to hold the total amount of spam ever created as well as a GPU card that would put reality to shame. For %15,000 I will send you a cardboard box and eventually send you the required components You can trust me as I am a Nigerian General with loads of gold to pay for my business venture

You make the marketing people sound bad but the real villains are the investors who demand stable quarterly profits. If you can call that villainy. It's just kind of the way the world works. Nobody wants to put money into a boom or bust company. ZoS has to put out updates every couple of months or so to keep sales stable.

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO · September 2015

@JDar I agree investors/shareholders are the bane of all companies. But as far as I am aware, ZOS are not answerable to shareholders, and any private investors into ZOS would have done their research first and noted that Elder Scrolls is a premium brand, I would say the Rolls Royce cars if RPGs. If ZOS have got investors that brought into the game and this is the result due to pressure from said investors, then I'd say that is pretty scary. And Marketing are just as bad when they start throwing around numbers like "Projected Figures" when the head of QA and the Programming team watch with disbelieve.

Yattaq · September 2015

YurtTheSilentChief wrote: »

So,it seems the consoles will get the right/fixed patch and then PC.

Are you referring to the fact that the patch launches two weeks later on Console? Game updates have to be approved by Microsoft/Sony before pushing those patches to players. This process can take weeks with a game of this scale.

Would you rather an artificial 2 week delay for PC instead?

Van_0S · September 2015

Corpsage wrote: »

Your point..? It's no secret we were playing on the Public Test Server before launch yesterday. Was there something you missed or just feeling the need to cry in a thread because PC got it first? If you don't want to test things for the devs or get a finished product first, please go play console.

I am a PC player.
The nerf is too much that I don't feel like playing and zeni doesnt listen to our request so I sm guessing they are using us for their gain to win consoles.

tengri · September 2015

Well, we have been paying Beta Testers for almost a year while the monthly sub was mandatory.

And now here we are, back again on duty. And ofc paying again.
Full circle is complete.

Alucardo · September 2015

Am I sad about getting my hands on content faster? No, not really.

Garion · September 2015

To be fair the bugs and known issues in this patch are much better than any previous patch... They seem to be getting better.

Troneon · September 2015

We beta test and pay for all the console launch marketing costs....

Robo_Hobo · September 2015

Interesting, so you managed to turn getting an early release for a platform into a conspiracy of Zenimax favouring the other platforms, that get it later.

You should be a lawyer.

Troneon · September 2015

Robo_Hobo wrote: »

Interesting, so you managed to turn getting an early release for a platform into a conspiracy of Zenimax favouring the other platforms, that get it later.

You should be a lawyer.

That will be 10000g per hour plz.

@Robo_Hobo

Reverb · September 2015

PC players have been beta testers for every bit of content released on console, except the (terribad) console ui. It's for the best. The console community would collectively explode if delivered game content in the state that pc gets before (some of) the bugs get worked out.

Robbmrp · September 2015

YurtTheSilentChief wrote: »

So,it seems the consoles will get the right/fixed patch and then PC.

EDIT: I am a PC player.So I am guessing zeni is using us all(PC players) to get a solution for their new patch and then bring out a new patch for PC after consoles.

I kinda doubt that.....some of the fixes in this patch are really old bugs....The new bugs we have will be here well into 2016 I'm afraid....

GuyNamedSean · September 2015

It's also worth noting that we down on console don't have the luxury of addons to get around missing features or sub-par features like UI. ZoS can say "Oh, well PC had no problem with this so I'm sure it's great." when everyone might be using addons to get around a missing feature or to assist against non-player friendly features. We just have to put up with whatever they give us. And as it looks right now, I'm afraid of this update. I'm getting it, I'm set on that. Already have the Crowns ready in the store. But they need to start fixing these problems. I've watched you guys complain from the very day the PTS came out and things did not really improve. It looks like we're all gonna have to L2P. L2P a whole different game at the rate they keep messing things up.

gard · September 2015

YurtTheSilentChief wrote: »

So,it seems the consoles will get the right/fixed patch and then PC.

EDIT: I am a PC player.So I am guessing zeni is using us all(PC players) to get a solution for their new patch and then bring out a new patch for PC after consoles.

Doesn't it make sense to release new code into the smaller userbase first? To minimize potential issues? Not sure what you are getting at here.

Van_0S · September 2015

@gard
What I am saying is that the patch they have released is Very bad.Neither I or many of us will enjoy playing this game anymore.So, I am trying to be optimistic (actually I am pissed) to zeni that very soon they will fix/ buff some ability(remove Dodge roll cost) or nerf the NPC's to enjoy the game (especially for veteran mode)

So,what I have written is sarcasm and true to my point.

gard · September 2015

I feel your pain. I wouldn't expect any changes from ZOS though.

Callous2208 · September 2015

YurtTheSilentChief wrote: »

@gard
What I am saying is that the patch they have released is Very bad.Neither I or many of us will enjoy playing this game anymore.So, I am trying to be optimistic (actually I am pissed) to zeni that very soon they will fix/ buff some ability(remove Dodge roll cost) or nerf the NPC's to enjoy the game (especially for veteran mode)

So,what I have written is sarcasm and true to my point.

That's a broad generalization to make. I and everyone in my guild are enjoying the patch. Have talked to many others enjoying it as well. In my opinion, besides tanks, the only people crying about nerfs are a select few upset that their op one shot build doesn't cut it anymore in pvp. We are especially pleased with the increased npc difficulty as well. It was about time ESO ventured back into some harder content, everything has been faceroll for too long.

Blade_07 · September 2015

YurtTheSilentChief wrote: »

So,it seems the consoles will get the right/fixed patch and then PC.

EDIT: I am a PC player.So I am guessing zeni is using us all(PC players) to get a solution for their new patch and then bring out a new patch for PC after consoles.

lmao....its always been that way. Beta testing was finished(officially)and then they released what they called a ready to play game. Well, we all know what we actually got for those of us that was there at the very start. >.<

Avonna · September 2015

but ....we still test the games....

the players give feedback .....

and then we dont like anything that comes out of said testing....

we cry/whine/rage/quit/type on forums all day ( myself included) ......

then a freaking horse pops up on crown store and we devour it.....

so who really is to blame?

us?

we support this behavior.

Prof_Bawbag · September 2015

Had it released first on console it would have been carnage on here. All the PC folks frothing at the mouth and demanding a blood sacrifice from ZoS.

Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

Tholian1 · September 2015

I'm hoping the patch gets delayed for console to give ZOS time to consider the negative feedback from PC players first, before unleashing this on us.

Rikal · September 2015

YurtTheSilentChief wrote: »

So,it seems the consoles will get the right/fixed patch and then PC.

EDIT: I am a PC player.So I am guessing zeni is using us all(PC players) to get a solution for their new patch and then bring out a new patch for PC after consoles.

Negative. Console release will have plenty of bugs too. Then they will make a serious push to fix bugs on both platforms. The realistic turnaround time for sorting, investigating, fixing, testing bugs in a program of this complexity is just higher than most people realize. They could turn around one bug fast if it was super ultra high severity, but right now it's more like triage. They need to sort the reports they're getting, figure out the severity of each bug etc.

Uriel_Nocturne · September 2015

I play on console, but I've always seen this sort of thing as the PC getting stuff first because the PC is (rightfully) the Devs first priority.

The PC audience will (typically) be bigger on the PC than on Consoles, thus rightly the PC will get pretty much everything first. Not that the PC is just a proving ground for what they're releasing to Consoles.

Hopefully I'm not alone.

f047ys3v3n · September 2015

I wonder if all the console load screens will be 4 min or if their servers will not be 486's in grandma Firor's basement.

Rydik · September 2015

PC users always were console testers...

Tholian1 · September 2015

f047ys3v3n wrote: »

I wonder if all the console load screens will be 4 min or if their servers will not be 486's in grandma Firor's basement.

The loading screens give me time to read the forums.