Troneon wrote: »

To block damage because it has lower stamina cost than dodge roll? If your stamina is too low to dodge you can still block...

But if your stamina is to low to dodge and you are blocking with no stamina regeneration, isn't that just a viscous circle?

Edit: the character I am referencing is my DK stamina build... lol

Before the lag-fest as everyone got home from work and got the patch downloaded, I took 1H&S out for a spin on my DK Stamina/tank build.

On one hand (no pun intended), I *had* been thinking PvE was too easy, even for a casual player like me. On the other hand, I crashed and burned in a very un-fun way.

With my 2H hotbar, no problems. So maybe I'm not a tank anymore. I'll play with it a bit, but it doesn't look promosing.

One hand and shield is fine if you hybridize your build a little.

DirtYone wrote: »

It seems like, with this newest patch, ESO killed my 1h&shield DK. I'm in EU, so haven't checked it yet.

I realise I am a little shell shocked from today's patch, but when I logged in to try out my DK with his 1h and shield, I was shocked at the changes I would need to impliment to bring back his viability.
Not just skills, but gear: including enchants.

This does not even include the issue I have with the added crafting flaws implimented today. Pieces of pieces of to collect.

I understand that this is a MMO and it is designed to be played over the long haul, but I feel they are making a number of bad design choises as of late.

Tors wrote: »

You just cant hold block down through the entire fight now. You need to choose when to block.

I, as with Many Dks out there were Not perma blocking every fight. We were, on the other hand, Stamina based. This does affect a number of people who are and never have been exploiters of perma blocking.
That is why many people are upset.

It seems like my question will duplicate a title, but - what are the benefits of 1h&shield in comparison to two handed weapon, after the newest patch?

As for me right now: I was making stamina(++)/magica(+) regeneration build (with the balance between the two), as at the unexpected moments I was able to block and regenerate, while losing my DPS count (1h weapon + blocking time). Now however it seems that I won't be able to regenerate, BUT I still wont have my DPS as high as two handed weapons. SHAME *ding*...

ontheleftcoast wrote: »

Dar_Zeena wrote: »

Tors wrote: »

You just cant hold block down through the entire fight now. You need to choose when to block.

Pretty sure it's near impossible to "choose" when to block when you have a 250-300 ping.. yeah. No.

^^THIS^^ A thousand times, THIS!

I can't tell you the number of times I've pressed RMB -- seen my character go into the "block stance" -- only to be knocked on their ass, or sent flying thru the air, because the lag meant I wasn't seeing the real fight. And when those hits are coming from a boss you don't have the luxury of guessing when to press block, you have to use it early and often.

This is sadly the reality of it. I support the changes on paper, but in reality the game does not generally perform well enough to support the design.

Speely wrote: »

ontheleftcoast wrote: »

Dar_Zeena wrote: »

Tors wrote: »

You just cant hold block down through the entire fight now. You need to choose when to block.

Pretty sure it's near impossible to "choose" when to block when you have a 250-300 ping.. yeah. No.

^^THIS^^ A thousand times, THIS!

I can't tell you the number of times I've pressed RMB -- seen my character go into the "block stance" -- only to be knocked on their ass, or sent flying thru the air, because the lag meant I wasn't seeing the real fight. And when those hits are coming from a boss you don't have the luxury of guessing when to press block, you have to use it early and often.

This is sadly the reality of it. I support the changes on paper, but in reality the game does not generally perform well enough to support the design.

Now what does that remind me of?
Oh yeh, Cyrodiil. Intention was great, attracted a lot of people. Performance isn't up to it.
Zos needs to go hire their original coders back and get their game fixed.

ontheleftcoast wrote: »

Dar_Zeena wrote: »

Tors wrote: »

You just cant hold block down through the entire fight now. You need to choose when to block.

Pretty sure it's near impossible to "choose" when to block when you have a 250-300 ping.. yeah. No.

^^THIS^^ A thousand times, THIS!

I can't tell you the number of times I've pressed RMB -- seen my character go into the "block stance" -- only to be knocked on their ass, or sent flying thru the air, because the lag meant I wasn't seeing the real fight. And when those hits are coming from a boss you don't have the luxury of guessing when to press block, you have to use it early and often.

That is why I suggested in a PTS post the following:

Start the "no stamina recovery" AFTER 2 seconds of Blocking..
this gives some leeway for interactive combat blocking.

That will with certainty enable again normal close combat blocking (the post got a lot of support)
It will not completely solve the lag problem, but it does give some relief

LadyDestiny wrote: »

Good thing my Dk did not hit VR14 before this mess. Saved me from crafting the wrong armor etc....Guess it's back to staff and skirt like the old days on pc beta.

I think I saw something in the patch notes about boosting the effectiveness of light armor. If that's true then skirts and sticks are going to flood the lands again. And tanks will be as rare as hen's teeth.

ontheleftcoast wrote: »

LadyDestiny wrote: »

Good thing my Dk did not hit VR14 before this mess. Saved me from crafting the wrong armor etc....Guess it's back to staff and skirt like the old days on pc beta.

I think I saw something in the patch notes about boosting the effectiveness of light armor. If that's true that skirts and sticks are going to flood the lands again. And tanks will be as rare as hen's teeth.

Spell/Physical Resistance of Light Armor are increased 100% with this patch


so the rate between the armors is now 2:3:4 for LA:MA:HA

After playing some more, my 1H setup is no longer viable. It's not just the stam regen, but magic damage NPCs are destroying me when there's 2 or 3 at once. They get a buff; I get a nerf. I can't kill them fast enough when on a tank build.

My 2H is doing okay, but only because I have more points in Magicka than I "should" for a tank. Having some magicka based abilities helps increase my damage rate.

Blocking kills your stamina if you have 2k regeneration you lose 4K of regen for a one second block you miss the stamina tick you would have gotten and the next one and that's just for the blocking itself if you actually block an attack you lose stamina on top of missing 4k worth of ticks.

1H+shield is still great, you just need to think outside the box with your build. I know this game frowns upon "hybrid" builds, and tries to force you into all Stam or all Magicka, but hybid DK is very viable if done right. I have most of my attribute piints and enchants into Stam, but I use 5x Warlock set for Magicka sustain, and it is great. PvE and PvP. PvE just requires watching the boss carefully and blocking only when necessary, which adds a lot of fun to tanking (for me, at least). Warlock allows me to always have magicka available for talons, GDB, Igneous Shield, etc. when I need it, even though my max Magicka pool is pitiful. My large Stam pool still alows me good damage with Ransack/Embers, and I go old-school style in PvP with shield charge and bash. My Whip does pitiful damage, but I make up for it elsewhere. People who say DK are weak right now just haven't tweaked things correctly. I'm smashing faces with a "hybrid" DK right now.

I ran Sword and Shield on my main at one point and actually went around killing with bash attacks alone.

Some things are for some people, and other things are for other people. The real question is: Do YOU find One Hand and Shield useful?