Phinix1 wrote: »

Text chat is a major reason I play MMO's. I would never play or pay for one without it.

I hate the rude, overly competitive, OCD, annoying people they attract as it is (especially PVP) and if I had to actually LISTEN to the sqealy cracking voice of their impotent internet rage, I would delete the game and never look back.

To much insanity for me thanks.

You've actually got it backwards.

Text chat is where those guys will all go.
The normal regular casual crowd uses the mic.
Read the thread here and try to guess who will be clogging your text chat with dickens length posts.

Join a guild, most of the new ones are beer drinking, regular joes.

If ur on psn friend me and I'll get you in our guild, if you need your own private Idaho.


Dungeons PvP pve crafting etc

What if they just implemented zone text chat for grouping purposes and disabled it while in dungeons etc.

Win win all round maybe?

mrskinskull wrote: »

And I like the idea of customizable bubbles.

Yes, because a small text box in the corner is cluttering the screen, but a hundred bubbles of text on the screen is just fine??

mrskinskull wrote: »

Honestly after reviewing many of the my way or highway pro text arguments , I don't think many of these people would be happy with any solution.

If zos put in a giant 75 percent screen sized text chat tomorrow, there would be hundreds of threads from the same people complaining that there were no colored text options, no item linking, the mute and ignore options weren't enough to keep really clever kids from trolling very serious adults.

Well this argument would have more credibility if you would link all the similar complaint threads coming from PC people who already have text chat.

mrskinskull wrote: »

The text bubble is a great solution for those of us that actually want to see a text chat solution implemented and not just shoot down any idea that might actually help all involved parties.

Zone chat done in multiple text bubbles rather than all confined neatly into one box..yeah thats a great solution alright..

mrskinskull wrote: »

I'm still holding out for an app, but yeah this is great news!

The app you describe makes no sense. People are looking to text someone who is currently in-game. Why would anyone need to speak to someone out of game? But even if they did, then a private message/email could be sent. No app is needed for this..

Dazza1968 wrote: »

What if they just implemented zone text chat for grouping purposes and disabled it while in dungeons etc.

Win win all round maybe?

Too many people here want that to be the primary source of comms in all cases.

And the kind of people who are to shy to use their mic are the same people who will need to rely on the group finder.
So if you are using the group finder after text chat, you will likely be in a texting party who won't be listening to anything you say because their voice chat will be turned off so they don't have to listen to you complain that they are typing more than playing.

Its not a huge problem for me. I play with buddies, who use mics.

It will be a ton of fun for the walk in crowd though,

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote: »

And I like the idea of customizable bubbles.

Yes, because a small text box in the corner is cluttering the screen, but a hundred bubbles of text on the screen is just fine??

mrskinskull wrote: »

Honestly after reviewing many of the my way or highway pro text arguments , I don't think many of these people would be happy with any solution.

If zos put in a giant 75 percent screen sized text chat tomorrow, there would be hundreds of threads from the same people complaining that there were no colored text options, no item linking, the mute and ignore options weren't enough to keep really clever kids from trolling very serious adults.

Well this argument would have more credibility if you would link all the similar complaint threads coming from PC people who already have text chat.

mrskinskull wrote: »

The text bubble is a great solution for those of us that actually want to see a text chat solution implemented and not just shoot down any idea that might actually help all involved parties.

Zone chat done in multiple text bubbles rather than all confined neatly into one box..yeah thats a great solution alright..

mrskinskull wrote: »

I'm still holding out for an app, but yeah this is great news!

The app you describe makes no sense. People are looking to text someone who is currently in-game. Why would anyone need to speak to someone out of game? But even if they did, then a private message/email could be sent. No app is needed for this..

Thanks for all the reposts.

mrskinskull wrote: »

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote: »

Oh and thanks for proving my point.

I had earlier explained that text chat would lead to players trying to use it while in combat, PvP, dungeons etc.

Many pro text people tried to say text chat would not be used by people in combat, just for grouping and selling, but here you have the actual intention of players wanting text chat.

The healer wants to type his every hope and dream to a team that probably won't even have text chat enabled.

At least before, you were listening to your frustrated team and might have enabled a one way communication.

Instead, many such as yourself, will be turning off group chat and assuming text is a substitute.

Those players who were mad at you before, will now be furious, because now either everyone types mid dungeon or no one knows what the healer Is doing.

Yeah text chat would be an option, but it will force the community into texting mid dungeon to appease the. Soft eared.

Awesome.

I can understand why many do not want to type in the middle of a battle, but I dont understand why exactly cant the healer type, and others respond with voice? Why does all in the group have to be on one or the other? Isnt it better to use both forms, depending on ones abilities? Or is it an issue that in group chat, its not possible to use more than one form of communication?

Because your healer has his hands off the controller.


Its why its illegal to text and drive.

People suck at multi tasking.
These guys are going to get their whole team killed and not even have to listen to the rage they caused.

Its going to be awesome.

No, your comment was that adding text chat "will force the whole community into texting mid dungeon". I was asking why would they be forced, and why cant they respond in voice?

mrskinskull wrote: »

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote: »

And I like the idea of customizable bubbles.

Yes, because a small text box in the corner is cluttering the screen, but a hundred bubbles of text on the screen is just fine??

mrskinskull wrote: »

Honestly after reviewing many of the my way or highway pro text arguments , I don't think many of these people would be happy with any solution.

If zos put in a giant 75 percent screen sized text chat tomorrow, there would be hundreds of threads from the same people complaining that there were no colored text options, no item linking, the mute and ignore options weren't enough to keep really clever kids from trolling very serious adults.

Well this argument would have more credibility if you would link all the similar complaint threads coming from PC people who already have text chat.

mrskinskull wrote: »

The text bubble is a great solution for those of us that actually want to see a text chat solution implemented and not just shoot down any idea that might actually help all involved parties.

Zone chat done in multiple text bubbles rather than all confined neatly into one box..yeah thats a great solution alright..

mrskinskull wrote: »

I'm still holding out for an app, but yeah this is great news!

The app you describe makes no sense. People are looking to text someone who is currently in-game. Why would anyone need to speak to someone out of game? But even if they did, then a private message/email could be sent. No app is needed for this..

An app would consolidate comms. Yes many people would like to chat with their guild buddies while away. Guild leaders coordinating and such.

Apps that work with games are the norm on consoles.

Even fallout 4 will have a companion app. Battlefield. Destiny etc.

An app makes more sense because most normal people will read the text chat for one if minute and see it cluttered by trolls and hate and turn it off.

Because no one wants to have to moderate a forum while playing their game.

They will just turn it off.

The app would be handy but not in their face during playtime.

Textting from a phone or tablet is just the norm.

An add on peripheral such as a keyboard , is like asking people to use a payphone.
Old fashioned and most profitable companies lean into new trends.

Also PC players have keyboards close at hand. So it makes sense.

Console players are being asked to jump an extra hoop that is at best redundant.

The same arguement of trolling can be made about area chat. It's very in your face to have to go into town and hear all the random non game related conversations of multiple people cussing at one another. That is part of the reason some are asking for text chat. So they will not have to use voice for every interaction in game.

Also if you want to discuss norms, it's very much the norm for MMO's to have text chat, even on console. Even on PC with a KB, players have to toggle over to the text chat block to type. The difference is that they can type longer messages faster. They cannot however use text chat and control their character at the same time.

mrskinskull wrote: »

Chieve wrote: »

I don't care what the next dlc is...I just want it to be text chat related i hate using voice chat...

i kinda wish i could play the game and socialize without feeling like someone will attack me.

you know in my first dungeon i ever did, i was a healer, and still learning, but some guy just kept yelling at me, especially at the boss fight, and saying "he probably signed up for heals for faster que ue ...i mean yeah i was learning but i knew what i was doing (except maybe for the boss mechanics.

if he wasnt screaming and freaking out the entire time one, i could of realized sooner what he wanted me to do when he was trying to explain the boss mechanic.

2.....it makes everything and everyone uncomfortable and the experience unpleasent if someone yells the entire time, however is someone just types caps...well one its easier to understand, and its easier to not let it bother you...

he just wasnt yelling at me either

and people yell on the mic all the time....all the time, its unfortunate. i put my player volume to 0, which means i cant really know whats going on around me, and if i put it up, people are yelling or making really loud noises, ruining my game experience, i cant listen to any nice in game music, i cant listen to the quest dialog..nothing...and its very unpleasent to be playing a game when all these voices end up blasting towards you.

and its annoying hearing the overly competitive people in PvP or PvE just yelling at plays trying to get things done THEIR way. At least if someone capped locked it, i can still be relaxed and feel peaceful without getting uncomfortable.

Groan.

So you need the entire dungeon team to stop what there doing to type out a personal message to you?
That's way better than just picking up the mic and asking for advice.
I'm sure your whole team will love the notion of being tpk because of text chat.
They were likely frustrated by the mute player, I always gently encourage team mates to use the in box mic.

The one everyone has.

Not everyone has a keyboard or will even have text toggled on.

Its a chore to explain voice chat systems to people, text chat will likely be as layered and thus confusing.

Oh and thanks for proving my point.

I had earlier explained that text chat would lead to players trying to use it while in combat, PvP, dungeons etc.

Many pro text people tried to say text chat would not be used by people in combat, just for grouping and selling, but here you have the actual intention of players wanting text chat.

The healer wants to type his every hope and dream to a team that probably won't even have text chat enabled.

At least before, you were listening to your frustrated team and might have enabled a one way communication.

Instead, many such as yourself, will be turning off group chat and assuming text is a substitute.

Those players who were mad at you before, will now be furious, because now either everyone types mid dungeon or no one knows what the healer Is doing.

Yeah text chat would be an option, but it will force the community into texting mid dungeon to appease the. Soft eared.

Awesome.

youre putting words in my mouth, i never said i need the entire dungeon to stop what their doing and type a personal message

i dont need everyones. i knew what i was doing as a healer. its not like a heavy duty boss fight, im used to typing and healing in most mmos if need be as im sure most people who use text chat. when someone is raging on mic though, its kinda hard to really understand what they were saying. the only thing i didnt know is that i should have attacked the blue orbs because if they reach the boss, they heal him. so thats all he needed to type, but in general i was fine in the dungeon healing on my own (besides the fact it was my first dungeon and needed to get a bit better gear...but again its not like we died more than twice) also...if i had text, i would of been comfortable asking for advice before fights and explaining myself a bit as well...so any issues we did encounter could of been explained over text...or text and mic if my teammate preferred mic

tpk? most people will want to use text chat, like i said, in that dungeon, no one said anything except the guy raging. also, if it was in text, sure its rage, but its legible. we know who he is directly talking to.

also i never said mic chat has to be taken away. if someone wants to use a mic, fine. i understand some people dont have keyboards and are okay with a mic or maybe they just prefer it in general. but why should i be prevented for using text chat when i am uncomfortable using mic. we should be able to choose what we are comfortable with and not be forced into purely mic.

you make it seem like everyone will have text disabled...but most people have voice chat disabled. i dont know an MMO game where people where have text chat disabled. if someone does have it disabled, maybe they just wont to be left alone and do their own thing, i completely understand, they dont have intentions to trade with anyone or they dont want to be bothered, and would just like to be in their own little world. w/e. the people who toggle it off will be the same people who toggle voice chat off in this case.

but most people will have it toggled open. and will most likely read text chat over listening to what people say on mic, mainly because people blast music we dont care for, or we have conversations we don't want to hear, or they have their kid yelling in the background, or they are just trolls making obnoxious noises.

i dont know people who really care about someone typing while doing a dungeon...those people are annoying to be honest, because in other MMOs I played dungeons just fine, and could go an entire dungeon typing and talking and have 0 wipe happen. it wasnt even about the dungeon just regular bs because we are enjoying each others company. if im trying to communicate to the people in my dungeon what has to get done, and its through text, that thats fine for most, and if its important its said before most fights. if i choose to use mic, then thats fine too. but i prefer text. I can type fast if need be, and i know how to coordinating typing and healing, its really not that hard at all. i never type or heal unless i need to tell someone something or if im having fun with the people im playing with, so...how am i frustrating people again if im just having fun with everyone and enjoying conversation? if im enjoying conversation then im sure they are too. of course im not a disrespectful jerk, if one of those people who tell me not to fight and type, i can manage to talk in between fights, thats fine too. but point is, most people dont get frustrated. if it really bothers someone, i can type in between, unless i had something important to say. but you see, the only thing being taken away, is for people to be enjoying conversation with one another. text makes it so much more fun because everyone is more comfortable with text so if they want to say something silly, then they can.

also when ever i posted here, i said i was never against voice chat. there are moments where i know people would prefer it. I am coming from WoW and I did raids, and I know how much people would like to use mic to communicate....however me? i just listen...and then i respond through typing. my guild never had a problem with that. we were able to communicate effectively even though they spoke and i typed.

also the point that people will have text chat toggled off, is kinda silly. most people wont have it off as said earlier...and if people are doing PvP or Dungeons, almost everyone has it turned on. I cant say i really know who actually has it on and off or who is just ignoring me or not paying attention. but if they that badly dont wanna talk to other players through text chat...what makes you think they are gonna wanna hear your voice come through there speakers in voice chat? they will have that muted too. if they wanna talk they will have both enabled. so to be under the assumption people will just toggle of text chat is silly.

you kinda make it sound like most people will be annoyed to text chat over voice chat....when its evident by this poll that people will prefer it. again im not saying take away voice chat, no one if forcing you to use text. i personally keep voice chat off when im in the city because people make all these annoying noises. in pvp i turn it on. in dungeons i turn it on, and if i think someone is trying to get my attention in quests, i turn it on. but i dont talk. hell, i would just send someone a psn message then use my mic if i had to respond.

ill be honest your view seems veryy narrowminded no offense. it seems like youre coming under the assumption most people will get pissed to have to communicate or explain something to someone over text. if its really that hard for them to type and would rather explain on mic, okay i have player volume up, but it seems like for the most part people would rather just type and youre under the assumption no one will put up player voices in a dungeon, even though they can see someone trying to talk..., and personally i would keep it up if i saw someone talking if thats how the prefer to communicate. most people will know text is not a "substitute" it will only be a fix for us to communicate back.

it also seemed like your under the assumption everyyyyone will be annoyed talking during a fight...okay so then things like that can be texted before fight. and to be honest most things that needs to be said is really slim. its not like im asking people during a fight the mechanics making them forcing them to type. if people really have no clue they would just ask before the fight...why ask during? that makes no sense, but if for what ever reason that does happen, well, if you are using mic, great, if you are text, still okay, and if you happen to fight, what ever, just run back and explain and then go back in, in all honest it doesnt waste that much time.

also it seems like youre exaggerating a bit...people have to stop what they are doing to talk to me? is it really that hard to type while you fight? its really not hard at all...

again you put words in my mouth, i adjust my settings accordingly. if im PvPing and seepeople talking, i always turn it on. we arent idiots, we know some people just prefer voice. you make it sound like were trying to get rid of mic completely when that isnt even the case. as long as its not non-sense or people being jerks or raging, id always have it on...if i turned it off for what ever reason, i always say i have it off because they are being nasty on voice. its hard to enjoy a game when someones yelling at you about how much everyone sucks and how everyone in the pvp zone are idiots, when compared to people who will text that in chat...its easier to look pass it. at least then...if he has something important to say...he'll type it.

no offense im not trying to insult you or anything when i say things are narrominded but it just comes off that way. you just put words in my mouth and make it seem like communication will be ruined if we have in installed, when its the actually the exact opposite.

also after reading your posts i noticed, again, you think people will just toggle off text chat if they see all the trolls and annoying people. one, same can be said with voice chat, but with voice chat, im limited to how many people i can block, so i just turn it off. i dont know if the same will be said for text chat, but EVEN IF, most of text chat is full of trolls and spam like there is with obnoxious players in voice chat, at least its condensed in a box and easy to ignore WITHOUT toggling off. Again, being a player from WoW, im using to going into a city and seeing people spam so much crap...but I do know, that i never put people on the ignore list unless they were idiots. so yeah most of my chat was spam, if i saw something of interest or if someone sent me a message or what ever, i would always see it, and always respond. but turning it off? never.

mrskinskull wrote: »

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote: »

And I like the idea of customizable bubbles.

Yes, because a small text box in the corner is cluttering the screen, but a hundred bubbles of text on the screen is just fine??

mrskinskull wrote: »

Honestly after reviewing many of the my way or highway pro text arguments , I don't think many of these people would be happy with any solution.

If zos put in a giant 75 percent screen sized text chat tomorrow, there would be hundreds of threads from the same people complaining that there were no colored text options, no item linking, the mute and ignore options weren't enough to keep really clever kids from trolling very serious adults.

Well this argument would have more credibility if you would link all the similar complaint threads coming from PC people who already have text chat.

mrskinskull wrote: »

The text bubble is a great solution for those of us that actually want to see a text chat solution implemented and not just shoot down any idea that might actually help all involved parties.

Zone chat done in multiple text bubbles rather than all confined neatly into one box..yeah thats a great solution alright..

mrskinskull wrote: »

I'm still holding out for an app, but yeah this is great news!

The app you describe makes no sense. People are looking to text someone who is currently in-game. Why would anyone need to speak to someone out of game? But even if they did, then a private message/email could be sent. No app is needed for this..

An app makes more sense because most normal people will read the text chat for one minute and see it cluttered by trolls and hate and turn it off.

Because no one wants to have to moderate a forum while playing their game.

They will just turn it off.

Quite a few normal people turn off voice because of all the trolls in voice chat ruining their experience in the game. It's not only the trolls. It is the whole party line atmosphere with voice. Not being able to get a word in or being able to understand what a certain person is saying unless they yell and repeat themselves a dozen times to get their voices heard over a chaotic sea of other voices.

Voice and chat can work together, and I am doubting anyone using text is expecting their teammates to engage in writing novels during dungeon runs.

mrskinskull wrote: »

Textting from a phone or tablet is just the norm.

An add on peripheral such as a keyboard , is like asking people to use a payphone.
Old fashioned and most profitable companies lean into new trends.

Also PC players have keyboards close at hand. So it makes sense.

Console players are being asked to jump an extra hoop that is at best redundant.

Really? Texting from a phone or tablet is normal for a mmorpg? Since when?

The only person asking for players to jump through hoops to communicate via text easily in the game is you. I can't tell if you are just trolling or if you really do believe your arguments.

every MMO has chat do not understand why they have not put on console they have made a porting without addons, it is unplayable also given the ability to link accounts ps4 to PC and play with the same subscription as it does FF14

Jaronking wrote: »

Lucio wrote: »

every MMO has chat do not understand why they have not put on console they have made a porting without addons, it is unplayable also given the ability to link accounts ps4 to PC and play with the same subscription as it does FF14

It's not a port ZOS made the Console version from the ground up so it would not feel like a port get your fact straight.

Also why don't you all make a new thread ask for it in the next Patch.The Imperial City patch is already done and just waiting for approval by this point. If they stop the Console Version Release I promise you a lot more players will leave then those you all say will leave because of the lack of text chat.

The premise still remains that text chat should have been on console.

Also what they did for the game is called platform localization. It means ZOS reworked the way players interact with the UI to better support controller input. This happens with most games going from PC to console and vica versa. Remaking it from the ground up would mean they didn't reuse anything from art assets to voice acting. That is clearly not the case. They also bothered heavily from Skyrim's UI, so more than likely those elements were recycled and touched up, rather then newly made.

Also note that through use of basic remapping programs PC can, even with out direct developer support, use a controller to play.

Furthermore since you mentioned it. IC is a completely mixed bag with feedback across the board about it. Even among console players who have only watched PC players on PTS, IC's changes are not exactly welcomed with open arms. Players don't just want new content. The want it to be good, and not everyone agrees that IC is for the better.

dday3six wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Lucio wrote: »

every MMO has chat do not understand why they have not put on console they have made a porting without addons, it is unplayable also given the ability to link accounts ps4 to PC and play with the same subscription as it does FF14

It's not a port ZOS made the Console version from the ground up so it would not feel like a port get your fact straight.

Also why don't you all make a new thread ask for it in the next Patch.The Imperial City patch is already done and just waiting for approval by this point. If they stop the Console Version Release I promise you a lot more players will leave then those you all say will leave because of the lack of text chat.

The premise still remains that text chat should have been on console.

Also what they did for the game is called platform localization. It means ZOS reworked the way players interact with the UI to better support controller input. This happens with most games going from PC to console and vica versa. Remaking it from the ground up would mean they didn't reuse anything from art assets to voice acting. That is clearly not the case. They also bothered heavily from Skyrim's UI, so more than likely those elements were recycled and touched up, rather then newly made.

Also note that through use of basic remapping programs PC can, even with out direct developer support, use a controller to play.

Just to comment on the text chat and UI pieces...

I don't understand why many feel that text chat "should" be on console and don't follow the logic of "keyboard use with a controller" on consoles. The added dialogue from ZOS on the subject for two occasions gave perspectives and reasons why their teams create the presentation that we have today. I've still not seen a logic based comment on why it "should have been included". There are lots of opinions of why and those tend to stem from prior game experiences, this on PC and or someone else's possible handicap. What is your "reason" it should have been included?

The reference to them not remaking the game from the ground up....
-The console versions in regards to the user experiences and what is seen on the screen are per ZOS crafted from the ground up....and then re-done during the 12+ month delays. Just because they chose to use some existing data doesn't exclude the reality that the console versions were built from the ground up. Development for all three was going on at the same time through many different teams. All teams pulled and excluded work for teams for their projects for the platforms they were assigned to.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Lucio wrote: »

every MMO has chat do not understand why they have not put on console they have made a porting without addons, it is unplayable also given the ability to link accounts ps4 to PC and play with the same subscription as it does FF14

It's not a port ZOS made the Console version from the ground up so it would not feel like a port get your fact straight.

Also why don't you all make a new thread ask for it in the next Patch.The Imperial City patch is already done and just waiting for approval by this point. If they stop the Console Version Release I promise you a lot more players will leave then those you all say will leave because of the lack of text chat.

The premise still remains that text chat should have been on console.

Also what they did for the game is called platform localization. It means ZOS reworked the way players interact with the UI to better support controller input. This happens with most games going from PC to console and vica versa. Remaking it from the ground up would mean they didn't reuse anything from art assets to voice acting. That is clearly not the case. They also bothered heavily from Skyrim's UI, so more than likely those elements were recycled and touched up, rather then newly made.

Also note that through use of basic remapping programs PC can, even with out direct developer support, use a controller to play.

Just to comment on the text chat and UI pieces...

I don't understand why many feel that text chat "should" be on console and don't follow the logic of "keyboard use with a controller" on consoles. The added dialogue from ZOS on the subject for two occasions gave perspectives and reasons why their teams create the presentation that we have today. I've still not seen a logic based comment on why it "should have been included". There are lots of opinions of why and those tend to stem from prior game experiences, this on PC and or someone else's possible handicap. What is your "reason" it should have been included?

The reference to them not remaking the game from the ground up....
-The console versions in regards to the user experiences and what is seen on the screen are per ZOS crafted from the ground up....and then re-done during the 12+ month delays. Just because they chose to use some existing data doesn't exclude the reality that the console versions were built from the ground up. Development for all three was going on at the same time through many different teams. All teams pulled and excluded work for teams for their projects for the platforms they were assigned to.

You don't have to use keyboard on controller. A free or used 2 dollar keyboard from goodwill works perfect on console.you should try it it is amazing.

mrskinskull wrote: »

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote: »

And I like the idea of customizable bubbles.

Yes, because a small text box in the corner is cluttering the screen, but a hundred bubbles of text on the screen is just fine??

mrskinskull wrote: »

Honestly after reviewing many of the my way or highway pro text arguments , I don't think many of these people would be happy with any solution.

If zos put in a giant 75 percent screen sized text chat tomorrow, there would be hundreds of threads from the same people complaining that there were no colored text options, no item linking, the mute and ignore options weren't enough to keep really clever kids from trolling very serious adults.

Well this argument would have more credibility if you would link all the similar complaint threads coming from PC people who already have text chat.

mrskinskull wrote: »

The text bubble is a great solution for those of us that actually want to see a text chat solution implemented and not just shoot down any idea that might actually help all involved parties.

Zone chat done in multiple text bubbles rather than all confined neatly into one box..yeah thats a great solution alright..

mrskinskull wrote: »

I'm still holding out for an app, but yeah this is great news!

The app you describe makes no sense. People are looking to text someone who is currently in-game. Why would anyone need to speak to someone out of game? But even if they did, then a private message/email could be sent. No app is needed for this..

An app would consolidate comms. Yes many people would like to chat with their guild buddies while away. Guild leaders coordinating and such.

Apps that work with games are the norm on consoles.

Even fallout 4 will have a companion app. Battlefield. Destiny etc.

An app makes more sense because most normal people will read the text chat for one minute and see it cluttered by trolls and hate and turn it off.

Because no one wants to have to moderate a forum while playing their game.

They will just turn it off.

The app would be handy but not in their face during playtime.

Textting from a phone or tablet is just the norm.

An add on peripheral such as a keyboard , is like asking people to use a payphone.
Old fashioned and most profitable companies lean into new trends.

Also PC players have keyboards close at hand. So it makes sense.

Console players are being asked to jump an extra hoop that is at best redundant.

Why have an app when a 2 dollar or free keyboard works well for text chat?

King Bozo wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Lucio wrote: »

every MMO has chat do not understand why they have not put on console they have made a porting without addons, it is unplayable also given the ability to link accounts ps4 to PC and play with the same subscription as it does FF14

It's not a port ZOS made the Console version from the ground up so it would not feel like a port get your fact straight.

Also why don't you all make a new thread ask for it in the next Patch.The Imperial City patch is already done and just waiting for approval by this point. If they stop the Console Version Release I promise you a lot more players will leave then those you all say will leave because of the lack of text chat.

The premise still remains that text chat should have been on console.

Also what they did for the game is called platform localization. It means ZOS reworked the way players interact with the UI to better support controller input. This happens with most games going from PC to console and vica versa. Remaking it from the ground up would mean they didn't reuse anything from art assets to voice acting. That is clearly not the case. They also bothered heavily from Skyrim's UI, so more than likely those elements were recycled and touched up, rather then newly made.

Also note that through use of basic remapping programs PC can, even with out direct developer support, use a controller to play.

Just to comment on the text chat and UI pieces...

I don't understand why many feel that text chat "should" be on console and don't follow the logic of "keyboard use with a controller" on consoles. The added dialogue from ZOS on the subject for two occasions gave perspectives and reasons why their teams create the presentation that we have today. I've still not seen a logic based comment on why it "should have been included". There are lots of opinions of why and those tend to stem from prior game experiences, this on PC and or someone else's possible handicap. What is your "reason" it should have been included?

The reference to them not remaking the game from the ground up....
-The console versions in regards to the user experiences and what is seen on the screen are per ZOS crafted from the ground up....and then re-done during the 12+ month delays. Just because they chose to use some existing data doesn't exclude the reality that the console versions were built from the ground up. Development for all three was going on at the same time through many different teams. All teams pulled and excluded work for teams for their projects for the platforms they were assigned to.

You don't have to use keyboard on controller. A free or used 2 dollar keyboard from goodwill works perfect on console.you should try it it is amazing.

In context a human cannot use both a controller and a keyboard simultaneously.
-even with keypads, your functions move from controlling a character to typing
-Using a controller and a keyboard makes its more awkward and complex

For these realities...why do people feel text chat "should" have been launched with consoles?