13igTyme wrote: »

If EP is going after a keep and AD goes after the next to spawn block all AD did was help EP. Meanwhile AD would be getting the bulk of the fighting and, if close enough to the DC base, loosing. And Vise-versa. Two alliances aren't going to help the other get a keep and AP when they get nothing.

They get their scroll back.

Go look at the map.

You have to see the state of the world to understand why this is useful.

You're forcing the enemy to fight multiple fronts.

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The other option is both go for the same keep. And this guarantees that 2/3 of the alliances get nothing. Often times it's the defending alliance that comes out on top because they can regroup and counter while the other 2 are fighting for the same keep without any strategic thought of what to do next.

You have to think 2-3 turns ahead instead of the immediate goal. It's short-sighted thinking like yours that leads to the state that Azura's star has been in this week.

13igTyme wrote: »

I am thinking 2-3 turns ahead. EP was going for Ashwell, which had AD's scroll, last time I was on. All the people on AD decided to go for Glademist, which had EP's scroll. I guess to cut them off and take two scrolls not realizing EP was at Ashwell. Well we did cut off there spawn to Ashwell and then got murdered by the entire army at Ash and pushed to Nikel. We kept pushing back only to get a strong push before they retreated back to Ashwell to protect that scroll. So in the two hours this was happening, EP was very close to getting AD's scroll at Ashwell and AD was just running back and forth from Nikel and Ash. I don't know if EP ever got the scroll back because the game crashed for me and I got logged off. I would assume they did since nothing was happening on the other side of the map for AD/EP.

So it came down to AD helping EP take AD's scroll from DC.

This was the situation when I wrote the original thread... I went to bed shortly after so I don't know what unfolded over the night, but I would assume not much in favour of AD or EP if the past 3-4 nights are anything to go by.

DC controlled all 6 scrolls (2 of which they've been controlling for the past 2 or so days, one from each pact)... they also only controlled 4 keeps (4 for the enemy scrolls).

AD's scrolls are being held at Warden and Dragonclaw
DC's scrolls are being held at Rayles and Glademist

AD decides to make a push for the scroll at Dragonclaw, unfortunately they didn't get very far, but why? What was EP doing at that time? Attacking Faregyl! I *** you not. The keep that has no strategic value in that situation.

In the time that AD was pushing for Dragonclaw, EP could have been making a push for any of their scrolls at Glademist or Rayles, thus forcing DC to split up their forces. Nope, instead they decided to attack AD? Why? Who the hell knows!

Have AD and EP not ever heard of the saying "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"?

It's also basic grade-school math. If AD and EP allow DC to keep all 6 scrolls, they are allowing them to gain at a minimum 190 points per hour (that's not counting resource nodes). If, for the sake of example AD somehow managed to take all of EPs keeps with DC sitting and not doing anything, they could only at most gain 155 points per hour (not counting resource nodes). If we do assume that resource nodes are all controlled by the keep's faction, DC would be getting 202 points per hour while AD would get 197 points per hour. So... while DC only has to spread their force across 4 keeps to maintain a 202 PPH, AD would need to maintain control over 14 keeps to still gain less points per hour. It doesn't take a PHD in statistics to figure out which is a more sustainable model for growth.

The bottom line is... YOU ARE NEVER GOING TO WIN IF YOU LET DC CONTROL ALL 6 SCROLLS!

Why the hell are AD and EP fighting each other? It makes absolutely no sense. You're just allowing the dominant team to gain more dominance.

FFS, in the past week DC went from being in second place with ~2k point deficit, to having a lead of over 10k. All because EP and AD are too stupid to not fight each other.

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Now, I know there will always be small scale battles between EP and AD, some people just do whatever they want, they might want to do bounty quests, etc.

But organized PvP guilds... what the hell are you thinking!? You're just giving away the lead on a platter.

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Rant aside, I need to commend DC for what they've accomplished this week. I don't know if it's because you guys/gals are organized very well, or it's organic. But seeing your battle plans as they are executed, it's very well played. You are killing it.

madeleine86 wrote: »

Except for that is never the case.. EP is always fighting 2 fronts with AD and DC attacking.. Maybe if AD also attacks DC? Must be the argonians that DC and AD hate so much.

Well, last night would beg to differ when EP was attacking AD while AD was trying to make a scroll push.

But I agree, AD has made some incredibly stupid pushes against EP over the week as well. Both alliances have done some stupid *** this week.

The worst part for AD is they're so far behind, they will never stand a chance of victory if they keep attacking the team in second place. Too bad most of my fellow comrades are too stupid/blind to understand this simple fact.

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

Looks like DC winning campaigns is getting to you. Dont forget that most of your DC buddies are EP and AD rerolls.
Atm not a single AD gives a damn about the campaign. AD just focused on farming and saving up and having fun. Most are on pts. Many are grinding alts. Until IC is released AD simply wont care.

You can talk tactical sense to us all day, AD knows what has to be done to get scrolls, emp, win campaign but nobody wants to pvdoor/pvwall their way to the scrolls and get 750 ap out of it. Emp pushes is the only thing that excites AD but the lag just makes it not worth it also. Simply not worth it, we can get easy ap elsewhere.

Nope, I really don't care about the win. You have that wrong.

What I care about is the team being at least competitive. They're not. They're getting absolutely rolled.

It's no fun playing on a buff server. The fun is when you have 3 alliances giving it their all.

Right now it's AD and EP sabotaging themselves while both get rolled by DC.

That's not fun. If that's your definition of fun, you're part of the problem.

Another day, another 4 hours of AD being complete idiots.

Why on Sithes' good black earth are you dumb asses attacking Arrius keep? How is this helping us recapture our scroll?

Do you not realize all this is doing is weakening EP, allowing DC to push EP back, and thus giving DC even more of a lead?

What is the end game goal of that move? There is no strategic advantage to attacking Arrius. The only thing you're accomplishing is securing your loss.

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Jaronking wrote: »

OK am in DC and their no way you haven't been able to take a scroll out of Glademist.All you have to do to take Glademist is take the mine and the Keep is your since you can setup Siege on the Rocks overlooking the Keep and flag it in less then 30 Seconds.

Glademist is the easiee easiest keep to take and the hardest in the game to defend.Its not hard.If you take the mine you can have 40 Siege up no problem. That's allow you to break down both keep walls in less then a minute.

God Stop crying. L2P its not hard.

Yeah... it's easy. Too bad AD hasn't been able to do it.

Because they're too busy attacking DC.

Well... DC does consist of the best players

EP is a bunch of skyrim nerds that know nothing about MMOs

And AD is a bunch of 12 year olds that thought it would be cool to rp as an elf

*grabs popcorn*

The major problem is, most of the organized AD groups that were in Azuras left after the last campaign and went to Chillrend or other servers. What you have now is the leftovers.