Why don't roots have a cooldown?

McSwaggins · August 2015

I've run into quite a few dk's, and they just spam talons on me by the time i go to roll dodge out im rooted again. Even as a templar as soon as I cleanse it, back in talons. Is there anyway to counter this? sick of not being able to move while trying to fight

Molag_Crow · August 2015

Completely agree. As a Templar, they'll keep Talons on me until I have 0 stamina left then continuously bash me with their lava whip. What doesn't make sense though, is that I can't even turn my character WHILE in Talons, you know, to face them and use my puncturing sweeps on them -- so they'll just go behind me and spam talons until I'm dead.

Oh and apparently Talons and other roots are classed as "soft" CC, so they don't have any DR ........

Soft CC

lolo_01b16_ESO · August 2015

There are different ways to fight against someone who spams talons. As a Templar it is a bit more difficult than for nbs or sorcs but it's still possible to win. If you are using a bow, you could try to kite him and stay outside the range of his talons by using draining shot, bombard and some dodge rolls. If you are a magicka templer you could try to ignore talons and just absorb / reflect / outheal all the damage he deals.

Molag_Crow · August 2015

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

There are different ways to fight against someone who spams talons. As a Templar it is a bit more difficult than for nbs or sorcs but it's still possible to win. If you are using a bow, you could try to kite him and stay outside the range of his talons by using draining shot, bombard and some dodge rolls. If you are a magicka templer you could try to ignore talons and just absorb / reflect / outheal all the damage he deals.

Yeah, indeed.. which becomes a huge problem most of the time, especially if you're a vampire too -- trying to outheal, absorb and block a Talon-spammer yet getting hit for 5k-9k+ per Lava Lash is too much to handle, but yeah, if I could last long enough, I'd stun them, roll away and mist form.

leepalmer95 · August 2015

Well the types that spam talons/whip are the permablockers, next patch you'll be able to out last them as you'll drain their stamina very quickly and be able stun them and kill them ^^

Kupoking · August 2015

CrowsDescend wrote: »

Completely agree. As a Templar, they'll keep Talons on me until I have 0 stamina left then continuously bash me with their lava whip. What doesn't make sense though, is that I can't even turn my character WHILE in Talons, you know, to face them and use my puncturing sweeps on them -- so they'll just go behind me and spam talons until I'm dead.

Oh and apparently Talons and other roots are classed as "soft" CC, so they don't have any DR ........

Soft CC

Templars can cleanse talons for cheap... just sayin

Molag_Crow · August 2015

houimetub17_ESO wrote: »

Templars can cleanse talons for cheap... just sayin

True.... though I have to keep switching bars since I don't have it on my 1h & shield bar. Hmmmm, may need to switch that around..

Paradox · August 2015

"Let's not incorporate a root immunity"
"good idea! "
" now let's introduce roll dodge nerfs so that Magicka users can't escape roots at all"
"perfect "

This is how zos works

EnOeZ · August 2015

McSwaggins wrote: »

I've run into quite a few dk's, and they just spam talons on me by the time i go to roll dodge out im rooted again. Even as a templar as soon as I cleanse it, back in talons. Is there anyway to counter this? sick of not being able to move while trying to fight

You will find numerous posts on this issue by searching "root immunity' on the forums : http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/search?Search=root+immunity

While I do agree with you (I am Stamina Melee DK) and I did myself write in favor of a root immunity almost 1 year ago, there is now 3 root immunity mechanisms perhaps accessible/usable by your character :

2H forward momentum
Assult line "Retreating Manoeuver"
Medium Armor active "Shuffle"

I wish they would last longer, but it's better than at launch when we had none as melee characters.
ZOS has done a pretty bad work on combat mechanisms for melee characters. I keep advocating for radical changes (block, root, heavy armor, stamina design...) on many detailed posts but they think they know it better despite I, and others are proving right with greater experience on MMO, PVP and greater TESO playing time than any of them.

TequilaFire · August 2015

Funny I was just thinking how useless my talons have become as they fail to fire at least 1 out of 3 times and there are so many counters to them I switched to Fossilize.

leepalmer95 · August 2015

TequilaFire wrote: »

Funny I was just thinking how useless my talons have become as they fail to fire at least 1 out of 3 times and there are so many counters to them I switched to Fossilize.

use both, talons is soft cc... xD

danno8 · August 2015

EnOeZ wrote: »

McSwaggins wrote: »

I've run into quite a few dk's, and they just spam talons on me by the time i go to roll dodge out im rooted again. Even as a templar as soon as I cleanse it, back in talons. Is there anyway to counter this? sick of not being able to move while trying to fight

You will find numerous posts on this issue by searching "root immunity' on the forums : http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/search?Search=root+immunity

While I do agree with you (I am Stamina Melee DK) and I did myself write in favor of a root immunity almost 1 year ago, there is now 3 root immunity mechanisms perhaps accessible/usable by your character :
2H forward momentum

Assult line "Retreating Manoeuver"

Medium Armor active "Shuffle"

I wish they would last longer, but it's better than at launch when we had none as melee characters.
ZOS has done a pretty bad work on combat mechanisms for melee characters. I keep advocating for radical changes (block, root, heavy armor, stamina design...) on many detailed posts but they think they know it better despite I, and others are proving right with greater experience on MMO, PVP and greater TESO playing time than any of them.

OF course, none of these are usable as a magicka...anything.

1. Magicka will obviously not be using a 2H
2. This will use up around 80% of a magicka users 9000 stamina
3. This will also use around 50% of a magicka users 9000 stamina

Although as has been pointed out, a magicka user is far better off using Purge or Efficient Purge, and a Templar Purifying Ritual. Save your stamina for break free moments.

Dyride · August 2015

Save your Stamina as a magicka Templar, Eclipse them as they go into their whips combo, purify the talons, or Blazing Shield/ Heal.

Molag_Crow · August 2015

infracanisub17_ESO wrote: »

Save your Stamina as a magicka Templar, Eclipse them as they go into their whips combo, purify the talons, or Blazing Shield/ Heal.

Interesting... thanks for the advice.