Bring Balance To Cyrodiil .. !!
Cyrediath
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I'm playing mmorpg games for 12 years and I can tell you that eso's pvp is broken! It's so bad that you can't play what you like. CC breaks doesn't always work, sometimes you get wierd bug that you cant use any skills, huge lag while fighting with big group. Besides from bugs there are really big class unblance.
There is no way to kill shield stacking, magicka detonation+curse spamming sorcerer and they are waiting in deadric minefield. You can't kill them. Even if you hit them they will teleport away and restack their shields. Also you can't kill stamina/defensiveDK but they dont do a lot of damage like sorcerers so its ok. but sorcerers can easily hit around 16-18k with fram, 16-18k magicka detonation and 8-10k curse, 6k mages wrath explosion and 16-18k every light attack of overload. And mages wrath and magicka detonation will be both damage boosted in 2 days.
Lets assume that you are nb. You jump on a sorcerer from invisibility (lets asuume you have amazing weapon damage and a lot of cp) you hit around 16k tleeport strike and 12kx2 suprise attacks (assuming that sorcerer is really bad and dont know how to cc break) after that sorcerer will teleport away and restack his shields then will come back to you and you are dead. You can't do anything. You can't tank sorcerer's skills if you are not a tank. Magicka Sorcerers like Tank+DPS+Survivability. That is sick!
There is no way to kill shield stacking, magicka detonation+curse spamming sorcerer and they are waiting in deadric minefield. You can't kill them. Even if you hit them they will teleport away and restack their shields. Also you can't kill stamina/defensiveDK but they dont do a lot of damage like sorcerers so its ok. but sorcerers can easily hit around 16-18k with fram, 16-18k magicka detonation and 8-10k curse, 6k mages wrath explosion and 16-18k every light attack of overload. And mages wrath and magicka detonation will be both damage boosted in 2 days.
Lets assume that you are nb. You jump on a sorcerer from invisibility (lets asuume you have amazing weapon damage and a lot of cp) you hit around 16k tleeport strike and 12kx2 suprise attacks (assuming that sorcerer is really bad and dont know how to cc break) after that sorcerer will teleport away and restack his shields then will come back to you and you are dead. You can't do anything. You can't tank sorcerer's skills if you are not a tank. Magicka Sorcerers like Tank+DPS+Survivability. That is sick!
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Darlgon✭✭✭✭✭
✭Eliminate all players and you get balance.Power level to CP160 in a week:
Where is the end game? You just played it.
Why don't I have 300+ skill points? Because you skipped content along the way.
Where is new content? Sigh.0 -
EnOeZ✭✭✭✭I'm playing mmorpg games for 12 years and I can tell you that eso's pvp is broken! It's so bad that you can't play what you like. CC breaks doesn't always work, sometimes you get wierd bug that you cant use any skills, huge lag while fighting with big group. Besides from bugs there are really big class unblance.
There is no way to kill shield stacking, magicka detonation+curse spamming sorcerer and they are waiting in deadric minefield. You can't kill them. Even if you hit them they will teleport away and restack their shields. Also you can't kill stamina/defensiveDK but they dont do a lot of damage like sorcerers so its ok. but sorcerers can easily hit around 16-18k with fram, 16-18k magicka detonation and 8-10k curse, 6k mages wrath explosion and 16-18k every light attack of overload. And mages wrath and magicka detonation will be both damage boosted in 2 days.
Lets assume that you are nb. You jump on a sorcerer from invisibility (lets asuume you have amazing weapon damage and a lot of cp) you hit around 16k tleeport strike and 12kx2 suprise attacks (assuming that sorcerer is really bad and dont know how to cc break) after that sorcerer will teleport away and restack his shields then will come back to you and you are dead. You can't do anything. You can't tank sorcerer's skills if you are not a tank. Magicka Sorcerers like Tank+DPS+Survivability. That is sick!
Agree.
There is no "Head of PVP Balance" btw and no competent PVPer among the designer.
There is no e-sport ambition either.
There are numerous combat design flaws despite the pretty good original basis (roll-dodge, active block, light heavy attacks, etc...)
And to my experience as a former e-sport pro, it is just disheartening considering the amazing work in the OTHER areas of the game.4 -
zornyan✭✭✭✭✭Pvp can never be balanced, simple as, because we have 4 entirety unique classes with 8 odd races that have completed unique passives.
Not to mention armor that variates, traits on gear and different player skills.
Besides even if it was 100% balanced, people would say it isnt, why? Because when someone loses 1v1 it's not because the person that killed them is ya know a better player. It's because they are either.
A biting jabs/radiant destruction templar n00b
A shield stacking bolt spamming sorcerer ***
A wrecking blow spamming dk with loads of health scrub
A *** arse ganking Nb spamming snipe/ambush
See my point?2 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You missed the infinite roll dodging stamina nb's, the prox det ganker magicka nb, the perma blocker talon + whip dk, the radiant spamming templar, the jabs spamming templar, the solar flare spamming templar, the wrecking blow spammer and the snipe spammer.
That everyone or did i miss somethingPS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...2 -
Ahzek✭✭✭✭✭
✭@leepalmer95 You forgot the lagsploiting EP/DC/AD zerg of your choice, the filthy macro pew pew gank blade and the coldharbor fire treb.Jo'Khaljor0 -
Cyrediath✭✭✭its ok I reroll sorcerer. now when people say pvp is unbalanced sorcerers are op I say pvp is balanced this game is l2p learn the game. sorcerers are not op.1
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Rune_Relic✭✭✭✭✭
✭its ok I reroll sorcerer. now when people say pvp is unbalanced sorcerers are op I say pvp is balanced this game is l2p learn the game. sorcerers are not op.
I just did exactly the same for 1.7 ...irony.
Every new player in the start zone was also sorc + pet.
Nuff said about 1.7 I think.Edited by Rune_Relic on August 30, 2015 1:09PMAnything that can be exploited will be exploited0 -
zornyan✭✭✭✭✭Sorc are easy targets for gankers, I see a sorc riding on his horse or running to a a battle? Easiest gank possible! Don't get me wrong I can and do gank others, but a full tank heavy armor wearing dk is far harder imo.
Also Shields will be critable meaning they'll go down even quicker.0 -
You can NOT balance a clas based game, and not a game that have both pve and pvp, so get over it. And for pvp its not based on 1vs1 but as a team work, and therefore dont need balance.
Ps. YES I am a soloplayer dont group in pve or pvp, becuse i am not guilded and the group finder dont work/ and are not used.Edited by timborggrenlarsenb16_ESO on August 30, 2015 3:35PMFFFRRREEEDDDOOOMMM!!!
- Be Anyone.
- Do Anything.
- Go Anywhere.2 -
hardcore_gmr✭✭✭I love these threads, they really tell you a lot about the level of player that creates them. Bad players always claim that every other class is OP. It couldn't possible be that you got out played or that you are not properly geared, it has to be the other guy is using an OP class or set of skills. I love to see new sorcs, who got beat down by a really good one, cause I don't have to worry about that little x-factor called SKILL. I know that this is a person who created a character because they saw a YouTube video of some highly skilled PvPer, or even better they got wrecked by a highly skilled player, wrecking with that class and rather than learn that class and build accordingly, they copied/slightly modified everything that Youtuber or player said and did and put nothing into learning the class. So when they get hit with the counter to that build (and there is always a counter) they can cry that the class that beat them is OP (I love it when its the class they just left).
Yes Sorcs shield stack, they have done so since the release of this game, they also stand in one spot and cannot leave their precious minefield. they do a good amount of damage at range but CANNOT mount a proper defense to melee attacks, especially from a skilled players who is not going to let them stand there and spamm attacks and shield stack to victory. The only exception to this is on the PTS where 50% damage reduction and the new armors can make pretty much every class unkillable under the right circumstances. Other than that, sorcs, just like very other class (even my own, the mighty DK ) can be killed rather easily by a skilled player who knows what they are doing. So please lets QQ some more about OP this and OP that, maybe the game might be balanced for you if we all just left and you were the only one there. Then you will be as powerful as you think you are!0 -
EnOeZ✭✭✭✭hardcore_gmr wrote: »Yes Sorcs shield stack, they have done so since the release of this game, they also stand in one spot and cannot leave their precious minefield. they do a good amount of damage at range but CANNOT mount a proper defense to melee attacks, especially from a skilled players who is not going to let them stand there and spamm attacks and shield stack to victory. The only exception to this is on the PTS where 50% damage reduction and the new armors can make pretty much every class unkillable under the right circumstances. Other than that, sorcs, just like very other class (even my own, the mighty DK ) can be killed rather easily by a skilled player who knows what they are doing. So please lets QQ some more about OP this and OP that, maybe the game might be balanced for you if we all just left and you were the only one there. Then you will be as powerful as you think you are!
Sorry but it depends on the level of the players...
Top Sorc vs Top Stamina DK, the sorc has to win 100% time because he can just teleport and restart in case something goes wrong. Charge as a gap closer won't work against Top Sorc uses Line Of Sight (LOS) since he is a top player. Stamina DK will just loose to resources against infinite magicka sorc, burning all his stamina in charges, break free/block and DPS against his shield, especially if he is Heavy Armor (joke resource management).
And "CANNOT mount a proper defense to melee attacks", are you kidding ? Sorc has one of the best anti melee kit I have ever seen on a caster in an MMO. I wish I had that kit as a destruction warlock in WOW against warriors or rogues back in the day of vanilla.
In lesser level of plays, anything can happen of course.Edited by EnOeZ on August 31, 2015 12:11AM0 -
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✭hardcore_gmr wrote: »Yes Sorcs shield stack, they have done so since the release of this game, they also stand in one spot and cannot leave their precious minefield. they do a good amount of damage at range but CANNOT mount a proper defense to melee attacks, especially from a skilled players who is not going to let them stand there and spamm attacks and shield stack to victory. The only exception to this is on the PTS where 50% damage reduction and the new armors can make pretty much every class unkillable under the right circumstances. Other than that, sorcs, just like very other class (even my own, the mighty DK ) can be killed rather easily by a skilled player who knows what they are doing. So please lets QQ some more about OP this and OP that, maybe the game might be balanced for you if we all just left and you were the only one there. Then you will be as powerful as you think you are!
Sorry but it depends on the level of the players...
Top Sorc vs Top Stamina DK, the sorc has to win 100% time because he can just teleport and restart in case something goes wrong. Charge as a gap closer won't work against Top Sorc uses Line Of Sight (LOS) since he is a top player. Stamina DK will just loose to resources against infinite magicka sorc, burning all his stamina in charges, break free/block and DPS against his shield, especially if he is Heavy Armor (joke resource management).
And "CANNOT mount a proper defense to melee attacks", are you kidding ? Sorc has one of the best anti melee kit I have ever seen on a caster in an MMO. I wish I had that kit as a destruction warlock in WOW against warriors or rogues back in the day of vanilla.
In lesser level of plays, anything can happen of course.
Stam builds gap closers are now 27 meters and can be spammed more so than Bolt Escape. Shadow Cloak is a escape move as well that can be spammed unlike Bolt Escape. All these cries about sorcs. And in most cases the builds don't really start becoming OP till after 300 plus Champ points, but nobody bother to say anything about the champion points system that makes this game more of a "Learn to Grind" rather then a "Learn to Play" experience. Plus nobody bother to even mention all the Exploits that ZOS has let run rampant in the game for many months now. The class it self is really sub par to Magicka NB and mybe DK, yet all the non sorcs are running down the roads of ESO with torches and pickforks on this anti - sorc phase since the beginning of ESO. Only time people was happy with sorcs. was when they was soo useless that very very few would accept them into End Game raid groups. but we don't talk about that. The main problem is the the champ point system and the exploits that goes unchecked for many many months.
Yes please make Sorcs. absolutely useless again so I can take my other foot that still in the ESO door and completely forget about this travestly.0 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭hardcore_gmr wrote: »Yes Sorcs shield stack, they have done so since the release of this game, they also stand in one spot and cannot leave their precious minefield. they do a good amount of damage at range but CANNOT mount a proper defense to melee attacks, especially from a skilled players who is not going to let them stand there and spamm attacks and shield stack to victory. The only exception to this is on the PTS where 50% damage reduction and the new armors can make pretty much every class unkillable under the right circumstances. Other than that, sorcs, just like very other class (even my own, the mighty DK ) can be killed rather easily by a skilled player who knows what they are doing. So please lets QQ some more about OP this and OP that, maybe the game might be balanced for you if we all just left and you were the only one there. Then you will be as powerful as you think you are!
Sorry but it depends on the level of the players...
Top Sorc vs Top Stamina DK, the sorc has to win 100% time because he can just teleport and restart in case something goes wrong. Charge as a gap closer won't work against Top Sorc uses Line Of Sight (LOS) since he is a top player. Stamina DK will just loose to resources against infinite magicka sorc, burning all his stamina in charges, break free/block and DPS against his shield, especially if he is Heavy Armor (joke resource management).
And "CANNOT mount a proper defense to melee attacks", are you kidding ? Sorc has one of the best anti melee kit I have ever seen on a caster in an MMO. I wish I had that kit as a destruction warlock in WOW against warriors or rogues back in the day of vanilla.
In lesser level of plays, anything can happen of course.
You know if your a half decent stamina player you can constantly gap close a sorc, it's not difficult.
Why do people assume sorc have unlimited stamina, just make sure you cc them as soon as their immunity runs out, actually try make some burst dps instead of spamming one skill then crying your not doing enough damage.
How a magicka dk kills a magicka sorc, always cc, talon when in range, forces sorc to use BE, which you know they are going to use as soon as you talon them, so get ready for a gap closer, follow them with gap closer and fossilize of knock down when you see cc immunity go and talon etc..
Burst dmg them, use dawnbreaker or meteor or such, even proximity det is great.
People seriously just need to learn xDPS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...0 -
hardcore_gmr✭✭✭FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »hardcore_gmr wrote: »Yes Sorcs shield stack, they have done so since the release of this game, they also stand in one spot and cannot leave their precious minefield. they do a good amount of damage at range but CANNOT mount a proper defense to melee attacks, especially from a skilled players who is not going to let them stand there and spamm attacks and shield stack to victory. The only exception to this is on the PTS where 50% damage reduction and the new armors can make pretty much every class unkillable under the right circumstances. Other than that, sorcs, just like very other class (even my own, the mighty DK ) can be killed rather easily by a skilled player who knows what they are doing. So please lets QQ some more about OP this and OP that, maybe the game might be balanced for you if we all just left and you were the only one there. Then you will be as powerful as you think you are!
Sorry but it depends on the level of the players...
Top Sorc vs Top Stamina DK, the sorc has to win 100% time because he can just teleport and restart in case something goes wrong. Charge as a gap closer won't work against Top Sorc uses Line Of Sight (LOS) since he is a top player. Stamina DK will just loose to resources against infinite magicka sorc, burning all his stamina in charges, break free/block and DPS against his shield, especially if he is Heavy Armor (joke resource management).
And "CANNOT mount a proper defense to melee attacks", are you kidding ? Sorc has one of the best anti melee kit I have ever seen on a caster in an MMO. I wish I had that kit as a destruction warlock in WOW against warriors or rogues back in the day of vanilla.
In lesser level of plays, anything can happen of course.
Stam builds gap closers are now 27 meters and can be spammed more so than Bolt Escape. Shadow Cloak is a escape move as well that can be spammed unlike Bolt Escape. All these cries about sorcs. And in most cases the builds don't really start becoming OP till after 300 plus Champ points, but nobody bother to say anything about the champion points system that makes this game more of a "Learn to Grind" rather then a "Learn to Play" experience. Plus nobody bother to even mention all the Exploits that ZOS has let run rampant in the game for many months now. The class it self is really sub par to Magicka NB and mybe DK, yet all the non sorcs are running down the roads of ESO with torches and pickforks on this anti - sorc phase since the beginning of ESO. Only time people was happy with sorcs. was when they was soo useless that very very few would accept them into End Game raid groups. but we don't talk about that. The main problem is the the champ point system and the exploits that goes unchecked for many many months.
Yes please make Sorcs. absolutely useless again so I can take my other foot that still in the ESO door and completely forget about this travestly.
I cn agree that the anti-sorc, hell the anti-any class movement is a crap shoot as every class has to be different to offer variety. I think the Champion point system is fine as it promote people to continue play after max level and as a way to continue to improve your character. Plus is there for all players to take full advantage of. Do you really believe that a player who just created and power leveled a new toon two weeks ago should be doing the same level of damage as a player who has played from the beginning. That's not balance that is bringing long time players down to the level of new players. Every RPG I can think of has ad a level of grind to it, it promotes continue played as you see the small incremental power increases, stagnating players so that others can keep up is counter productive to creating an environment where players continually have something to work for.
PvP is skill based, getting good requires a lot of time with your build and even more perfecting it. So many want to come right in and compete with long time players but fail to see that even if they were to cap players until every player caught up, the long time players who know all the tricks, (animation canceling, CC combos, etc...) would still dominate. this whole lets bring everyone down to my level so that I can feel adequate about my play needs to stop. We are ruining the very game we love, chasing something that we haven't earned with all these "this class/skill is OP" threads as ZoS has proven to be heavy handed when it comes to "bringing characters and skills in line with other players". Point is simple, WHEN EVERYONE IS MADE TO BE A SPECIAL LITTLE SNOWFLAKE, NO ONE IS." Instead of creating these types of threads, maybe these players should be out grinding CP's and running dungeons to get the best gear, and crafting what you can't get. People expecting balance for a game that allows players to continue to level in any capacity do not understand game mechanics and quite frankly are trying to see the game nerfed into fun for them, crappy for everyone else.0 -
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✭Sorry to derail this thread a little bit but I'll be happy with one or two Non Champ Points Campaigns, and ZOS putting the stop on a known exploit rather then letting it go on for many months, making legit playing players feel like they also need to cheat to make a balance that ZOS will not. "Not talking about class balances, talking about exploits." ESO is one of the few MMOs that I play that allows players to freely Exploit game machincs. Combine the exploits on to the Champ system and basic you get what you see nowadays in Cyrodiil 10 to 15 players in a campaign that can solo 15 to 20 man zergs that are not using the exploits by them selves. The exploit/cheating problem is so bad in this game that most players are now even calling them "The Meta" Yup that seams like very fun gameplay to me. Another sorry to derail your thread but I really feel that this is more of the problem then the class abilities.0 -
hardcore_gmr✭✭✭What exploit are you referring to? The exploit that says if I have more free time then do to go grind mobs in upper craglorn I can earn about 1 PC per hour or if I transferred my PC account to console after the game had been out at least a year prior that I should have more CP then someone who started playing on June 9th. Please tell us of this great exploit cause if it legitimately exist then it needs to be nerfed, but to my knowledge the only way to "take advantage" of the CP system is to grind CP. Which in case you are wondering, the developers have already stated that players should be earning roughly 1 CP per hour and my own play confirms that is the case0
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EnOeZ✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »hardcore_gmr wrote: »Yes Sorcs shield stack, they have done so since the release of this game, they also stand in one spot and cannot leave their precious minefield. they do a good amount of damage at range but CANNOT mount a proper defense to melee attacks, especially from a skilled players who is not going to let them stand there and spamm attacks and shield stack to victory. The only exception to this is on the PTS where 50% damage reduction and the new armors can make pretty much every class unkillable under the right circumstances. Other than that, sorcs, just like very other class (even my own, the mighty DK ) can be killed rather easily by a skilled player who knows what they are doing. So please lets QQ some more about OP this and OP that, maybe the game might be balanced for you if we all just left and you were the only one there. Then you will be as powerful as you think you are!
Sorry but it depends on the level of the players...
Top Sorc vs Top Stamina DK, the sorc has to win 100% time because he can just teleport and restart in case something goes wrong. Charge as a gap closer won't work against Top Sorc uses Line Of Sight (LOS) since he is a top player. Stamina DK will just loose to resources against infinite magicka sorc, burning all his stamina in charges, break free/block and DPS against his shield, especially if he is Heavy Armor (joke resource management).
And "CANNOT mount a proper defense to melee attacks", are you kidding ? Sorc has one of the best anti melee kit I have ever seen on a caster in an MMO. I wish I had that kit as a destruction warlock in WOW against warriors or rogues back in the day of vanilla.
In lesser level of plays, anything can happen of course.
You know if your a half decent stamina player you can constantly gap close a sorc, it's not difficult.
Why do people assume sorc have unlimited stamina, just make sure you cc them as soon as their immunity runs out, actually try make some burst dps instead of spamming one skill then crying your not doing enough damage.
How a magicka dk kills a magicka sorc, always cc, talon when in range, forces sorc to use BE, which you know they are going to use as soon as you talon them, so get ready for a gap closer, follow them with gap closer and fossilize of knock down when you see cc immunity go and talon etc..
Burst dmg them, use dawnbreaker or meteor or such, even proximity det is great.
People seriously just need to learn xD- First, You are talking about magicka DKs
- Second, at my level of play, if I say an equally skilled opponent I am talking of a sorc that will LOS teleport and you won't be able to charge, especially since the game is not exactly lag-free
- Third, until update 6 (update 7 yet to test) you cannot burst through damage shields as an heavy armor stamina DK (again against equally skilled opponent) in SB+2H
Of course, against lower skilled opponent any mistake will be paid.1