It's ridiculous for an MMORPG not to have this feature.

RinneganDovahkiin · August 2015

The ability to change classes. Seriously, I don't know why these ZOS guys keep avoiding this. Say what you want, but this is still technically an "Elder Scrolls" game. I wasn't expecting the classes to be so separated. I should've known better, but I didn't. I'd like to rectify that mistake. Of course you have the selfish players who are perfectly happy with their character who say you should've chose more carefully or make a new character. I'm one of those people who likes sticking with one character. I like my current character and I don't like the idea of starting her over or having two Vestiges. Not to mention how much this game has pissed me off over the past two weeks I've had it, what with the crashing, lagging, and spotty hit detection. I just don't like the idea of a Vampiric Templar. It goes completely against itself. It's so idiotic watching my Vampire character use these Aedric holy moves, "chosen one" or not. I want to change to Nightblade or Sorcerer as they're more fitting.

BaconMagic · August 2015

O rly?

Welcome to ESO. Level 1-50 can be done in a day. Seriously. Roll an alt. you have to level all the skills anyway which takes longer than 1-50.

Garethjolnir · August 2015

It's ridiculous to have such a feature in an MMO. End of.

MrGrimey · August 2015

Think of any basic mmo feature, now assume it's not in this game, because it probably isn't

Chieve · August 2015

BaconMagic wrote: »

O rly?

Welcome to ESO. Level 1-50 can be done in a day. Seriously. Roll an alt. you have to level all the skills anyway which takes longer than 1-50.

how does it take a day?

takes me a day to just gain 5 levels...

Anyways to OP....just reroll...most MMOs I played don't let you change classes tbh. im a sorcerer healer, and i hate how people prefer templars, which makes me want to reroll temp and make my mage dps. switching would make it easy...but the concept doesnt make sense to me tbh...

thats why you try classes out for a few levels...

a paid feature? i wouldnt care...but its kinda dumb. then no one will be remaking classes. i personally enjoy having alts to play with, making each one unique...so...sorry but if the feature is implemented its w/e id support it, but i dont see any real reason for it and completely understand why its not implemented as well

TheShadowScout · August 2015

I don't know of any MMO that allowed to change classes... though granted, I don't play many.

TES games... there is one class-less one, and the reat were all with classes as I recall...

Technically... I suppose it would be doable, though require a lot more coding then they could ever earn from selling the option...
The only possibly reason I could imagine for it to actually happen was if they added more classes, then people who maxed out their character allowance through excessive alting would need a non-vexing way to try out that new class...

Muizer · August 2015

MrGrimey wrote: »

Think of any basic mmo feature, now assume it's not in this game, because it probably isn't

That's probably why I'm still playing the game.

sigmaxl · August 2015

I have played several MMOS over the past 16 years, and not one I have played has let you randomly change your class.

There are always options to change the way your class works, But not the class itself. I personally think its ridiculous to think you should be able to swap classes. That's why they each have different skill lines, to do different things. If you truly wanted something else, you should have selected better from the start. I also don't understand how other people being content with their characters, and suggesting you should have been more selective, makes them selfish. Just reroll if you don't like it. It's simple

Callous2208 · August 2015

Ha! Ridiculous for an mmo he says.Not many mmo's have this option. If the option was there you would come here whining about having to level the new skills. Also your last point is so incredibly moronic I can barely think of a response, but I'll try. My templar is not a vampire because...gasp...I didn't make him one. You chose to take the bite on your templar and now your mad because it doesn't mesh? Why not get cured? I do not believe for a second it took you to vet levels or wherever you're currently at to discover you didn't like the templar class. Yes this is an ES game, but it's also an mmo. You can't just have total build/skill freedom/class freedom all at once. There's a million other people in your game world now, you are no longer the Dovahkiin Rinnegan.

Alucardo · August 2015

BaconMagic wrote: »

O rly?

Welcome to ESO. Level 1-50 can be done in a day. Seriously. Roll an alt. you have to level all the skills anyway which takes longer than 1-50.

Why do people keep saying this? After 2 days of playing I finally made level 30 - that was with a mixture of grinding (when I found the right spot) and quests. There's no way I was going to make 1-50 in a single day.

RinneganDovahkiin · August 2015

I refuse to go through all that [snip] again. It's taken me two weeks just to get to level 40. Or at least it feels like it's been two weeks. The reason to have it is because players want it. There's no reason not to have it.

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UrQuan · August 2015

Alucardo wrote: »

BaconMagic wrote: »

O rly?

Welcome to ESO. Level 1-50 can be done in a day. Seriously. Roll an alt. you have to level all the skills anyway which takes longer than 1-50.

Why do people keep saying this? After 2 days of playing I finally made level 30 - that was with a mixture of grinding (when I found the right spot) and quests. There's no way I was going to make 1-50 in a single day.

It can definitely be done. I sure wouldn't want to do it (to me even trying would be the anti-fun), but if you've got ESO+, a grinding partner with Rings of Mara, XP scrolls (or plenty of Psijic Ambrosia), and you know all of the optimal grind spots for each level range, you could totally grind from 1-50 (actually from 3-50 since you'd be starting at level 3 anyway) in a day.

I mean heck, in 2 days you got to level 30, and I doubt you were playing non-stop, I doubt you were playing with a +80% bonus to your XP the whole time, and I doubt you were spending the entire time in the optimal grinding spots...

ghostwise · August 2015

MMorpgs that let you switch classes are the worst. I much prefer the character you create have meaning and not just be a template to change your game at a moments notice. Why even bother with having more than 1 character slot if you can just switch classes anytime you want?

RinneganDovahkiin · August 2015

Callous2208 wrote: »

Ha! Ridiculous for an mmo he says.Not many mmo's have this option. If the option was there you would come here whining about having to level the new skills. Also your last point is so incredibly moronic I can barely think of a response, but I'll try. My templar is not a vampire because...gasp...I didn't make him one. You chose to take the bite on your templar and now your mad because it doesn't mesh? Why not get cured? I do not believe for a second it took you to vet levels or wherever you're currently at to discover you didn't like the templar class. Yes this is an ES game, but it's also an mmo. You can't just have total build/skill freedom/class freedom all at once. There's a million other people in your game world now, you are no longer the Dovahkiin Rinnegan.

"You chose to take a bite on your Templar", no. I chose to take a bite on my character. My single, one and only character. I will never make a second one because that's annoying. Not having the option to change classes isn't encouraging me to reroll, it's just pissing me off and I'm less likely to play long term. I don't have "a main and alts". I have one character and I don't like the Templar/Vampire mix. I do like being a Vampire though. So what's the logical solution for someone who only wants one character, wants them to be a Vampire, and doesn't like their class? It's a class change. Seeing how no one has presented an actual reason as to why it's a bad idea, I still stand by the feature.

Waffennacht · August 2015

I too only play one character (atm but ill explain)

I almost always run only one character in every game. Usually if I don't like the char I just stick with it, adjusting as I go.

I will make an alt on this game (plenty of advantages for reasons)

Now im against changing classes. Diversity and replay would greatly diminish. As is if a new meta shows up you can't just go to a shrine and become that. You'll have to at least invest time to adjust to the meta.

I don't want everyone a shield mage or a cloaked NB going back and forth to what's popular.

And I do feel a Little bit selfish posting this

Psychobunni · August 2015

Which ones let you change your class? I too appear to have limited experience, as I haven't came across one, not even cheesy absolute p2w browser style...

Callous2208 · August 2015

RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »

I refuse to go through all that [snip] again. It's taken me two weeks just to get to level 40. Or at least it feels like it's been two weeks. The reason to have it is because players want it. There's no reason not to have it.

1.How did it take you to level 40 to realize you didn't like the templar class?
2.If the vamp/templar combo was immersion breaking for you, why did you seek out a bite and become vamp?
3.There are quite a few reasons not to have it.
4.You say players want it, I would venture to guess the majority don't, or think it's not worth ZOS's time to implement it.
5.Once you swapped, you would be a level 40 back to square one with class skills. It would be easier to re-roll and level the skills as you go again.

RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Ha! Ridiculous for an mmo he says.Not many mmo's have this option. If the option was there you would come here whining about having to level the new skills. Also your last point is so incredibly moronic I can barely think of a response, but I'll try. My templar is not a vampire because...gasp...I didn't make him one. You chose to take the bite on your templar and now your mad because it doesn't mesh? Why not get cured? I do not believe for a second it took you to vet levels or wherever you're currently at to discover you didn't like the templar class. Yes this is an ES game, but it's also an mmo. You can't just have total build/skill freedom/class freedom all at once. There's a million other people in your game world now, you are no longer the Dovahkiin Rinnegan.

"You chose to take a bite on your Templar", no. I chose to take a bite on my character. My single, one and only character. I will never make a second one because that's annoying. Not having the option to change classes isn't encouraging me to reroll, it's just pissing me off and I'm less likely to play long term. I don't have "a main and alts". I have one character and I don't like the Templar/Vampire mix. I do like being a Vampire though. So what's the logical solution for someone who only wants one character, wants them to be a Vampire, and doesn't like their class? It's a class change. Seeing how no one has presented an actual reason as to why it's a bad idea, I still stand by the feature.

You took a bite on your one and only character who was a templar! That's on you. But..but..I wanted to be a vamp, just not a temp/vamp. The point you're avoiding here is that you don't like the templar class. Vampire is a skill line, not a class. You were unhappy with temp long before the vamp bite. So why did you not stop at say, level 10-20, which takes literally no time to get to, and say, "nope, need to redo this before I get too far, templar is not a class I can enjoy."

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RinneganDovahkiin · August 2015

ghostwise wrote: »

MMorpgs that let you switch classes are the worst. I much prefer the character you create have meaning and not just be a template to change your game at a moments notice. Why even bother with having more than 1 character slot if you can just switch classes anytime you want?

Race? Gender? Choices? Weapon? There are multiple reasons to start a new character besides class. I will never start a new character no matter what anyway, so class isn't a motivator. If my character got deleted tomorrow, I'd snap the game in half and rip someone off in EBay. There's literally no reason not to have this feature. If you want your character to have meaning, you don't have to use it. Stop trying to force these views on other people.

Mojmir · August 2015

If anything I wouldn't mind if they removed classes, make some seriously interesting builds

BaconMagic · August 2015

Mojmir wrote: »

If anything I wouldn't mind if they removed classes, make some seriously interesting builds

Not really. In about 5 minutes there would be one build excessively more powerful than anything else. And everyone would copy it and the game would implode.

likelolwhat · August 2015

There are plenty of reasons which have already been discussed. Though I wonder if you are deliberately ignoring them in favor of championing your (minority) view.

RinneganDovahkiin · August 2015

Callous2208 wrote: »

RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »

I refuse to go through all that [snip] again. It's taken me two weeks just to get to level 40. Or at least it feels like it's been two weeks. The reason to have it is because players want it. There's no reason not to have it.

1.How did it take you to level 40 to realize you didn't like the templar class?
2.If the vamp/templar combo was immersion breaking for you, why did you seek out a bite and become vamp?
3.There are quite a few reasons not to have it.
4.You say players want it, I would venture to guess the majority don't, or think it's not worth ZOS's time to implement it.
5.Once you swapped, you would be a level 40 back to square one with class skills. It would be easier to re-roll and level the skills as you go again.

RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Ha! Ridiculous for an mmo he says.Not many mmo's have this option. If the option was there you would come here whining about having to level the new skills. Also your last point is so incredibly moronic I can barely think of a response, but I'll try. My templar is not a vampire because...gasp...I didn't make him one. You chose to take the bite on your templar and now your mad because it doesn't mesh? Why not get cured? I do not believe for a second it took you to vet levels or wherever you're currently at to discover you didn't like the templar class. Yes this is an ES game, but it's also an mmo. You can't just have total build/skill freedom/class freedom all at once. There's a million other people in your game world now, you are no longer the Dovahkiin Rinnegan.

"You chose to take a bite on your Templar", no. I chose to take a bite on my character. My single, one and only character. I will never make a second one because that's annoying. Not having the option to change classes isn't encouraging me to reroll, it's just pissing me off and I'm less likely to play long term. I don't have "a main and alts". I have one character and I don't like the Templar/Vampire mix. I do like being a Vampire though. So what's the logical solution for someone who only wants one character, wants them to be a Vampire, and doesn't like their class? It's a class change. Seeing how no one has presented an actual reason as to why it's a bad idea, I still stand by the feature.

You took a bite on your one and only character who was a templar! That's on you. But..but..I wanted to be a vamp, just not a temp/vamp. The point you're avoiding here is that you don't like the templar class. Vampire is a skill line, not a class. You were unhappy with temp long before the vamp bite. So why did you not stop at say, level 10-20, which takes literally no time to get to, and say, "nope, need to redo this before I get too far, templar is not a class I can enjoy."

I don't like the Templar class BECAUSE my character is a Vampire. I was level 10 when I had them turned, naturally I didn't want to give up something that was so difficult for me to achieve and I was new to the game. So I just continued and ignored it for a while, but now it's starting to get on my nerves

Why are people assuming you'd be back to square one? It'd be just like when you reset your skill points. Once you change classes, the SP would go back to you and you'd reuse them as if you'd reset the skills.

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Waffennacht · August 2015

BaconMagic wrote: »

And everyone would copy it and the game would implode.

Lmao, people being sucked into a singularity where their device was bringing an end to our solar system... Man was never intended to meddle in such awesome powers of the cosmos!

RinneganDovahkiin · August 2015

likelolwhat wrote: »

There are plenty of reasons which have already been discussed. Though I wonder if you are deliberately ignoring them in favor of championing your (minority) view.

Literally all I've seen here is "I don't want other people doing what I myself wouldn't do", and yes I'm ignoring those.

BaconMagic · August 2015

Basically, yes.

UrQuan · August 2015

RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »

ghostwise wrote: »

MMorpgs that let you switch classes are the worst. I much prefer the character you create have meaning and not just be a template to change your game at a moments notice. Why even bother with having more than 1 character slot if you can just switch classes anytime you want?

Race? Gender? Choices? Weapon? There are multiple reasons to start a new character besides class. I will never start a new character no matter what anyway, so class isn't a motivator. If my character got deleted tomorrow, I'd snap the game in half and rip someone off in EBay. There's literally no reason not to have this feature. If you want your character to have meaning, you don't have to use it. Stop trying to force these views on other people.

Wow, you talking about how you'd break the law and scam people sure makes me more likely to listen to your arguments. No, wait, it makes me immediately think that absolutely everything you've said has exactly no value.

NGP · August 2015

I want to change alliance!

likelolwhat · August 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

Wow, you talking about how you'd break the law and scam people sure makes me more likely to listen to your arguments. No, wait, it makes me immediately think that absolutely everything you've said has exactly no value.

He sure is helping himself ain't he.

RinneganDovahkiin · August 2015

Callous2208 wrote: »

RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »

I refuse to go through all that [snip] again. It's taken me two weeks just to get to level 40. Or at least it feels like it's been two weeks. The reason to have it is because players want it. There's no reason not to have it.

1.How did it take you to level 40 to realize you didn't like the templar class?
2.If the vamp/templar combo was immersion breaking for you, why did you seek out a bite and become vamp?
3.There are quite a few reasons not to have it.
4.You say players want it, I would venture to guess the majority don't, or think it's not worth ZOS's time to implement it.
5.Once you swapped, you would be a level 40 back to square one with class skills. It would be easier to re-roll and level the skills as you go again.

RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Ha! Ridiculous for an mmo he says.Not many mmo's have this option. If the option was there you would come here whining about having to level the new skills. Also your last point is so incredibly moronic I can barely think of a response, but I'll try. My templar is not a vampire because...gasp...I didn't make him one. You chose to take the bite on your templar and now your mad because it doesn't mesh? Why not get cured? I do not believe for a second it took you to vet levels or wherever you're currently at to discover you didn't like the templar class. Yes this is an ES game, but it's also an mmo. You can't just have total build/skill freedom/class freedom all at once. There's a million other people in your game world now, you are no longer the Dovahkiin Rinnegan.

"You chose to take a bite on your Templar", no. I chose to take a bite on my character. My single, one and only character. I will never make a second one because that's annoying. Not having the option to change classes isn't encouraging me to reroll, it's just pissing me off and I'm less likely to play long term. I don't have "a main and alts". I have one character and I don't like the Templar/Vampire mix. I do like being a Vampire though. So what's the logical solution for someone who only wants one character, wants them to be a Vampire, and doesn't like their class? It's a class change. Seeing how no one has presented an actual reason as to why it's a bad idea, I still stand by the feature.

You took a bite on your one and only character who was a templar! That's on you. But..but..I wanted to be a vamp, just not a temp/vamp. The point you're avoiding here is that you don't like the templar class. Vampire is a skill line, not a class. You were unhappy with temp long before the vamp bite. So why did you not stop at say, level 10-20, which takes literally no time to get to, and say, "nope, need to redo this before I get too far, templar is not a class I can enjoy."

I don't like the Templar class BECAUSE my character is a Vampire. I was level 10 when I had them turned, naturally I didn't want to give up something that was so difficult for me to achieve and I was new to the game. So I just continued and ignored it for a while, but now it's starting to get on my nerves

Why are people assuming you'd be back to square one? It'd be just like when you reset your skill points. Once you change classes, the SP would go back to you and you'd reuse them as if you'd reset the skills.

[snip]

No. You got about 1/4 of it right. Just forget the reason I want to change classes, it's irrelevant. Goodness, what is wrong with you people? My personal reasoning for wanting to change classes doesn't matter. Also no, you'd keep the same levels. Why would they have you start over? If that were the case, then yeah making a new character would make more sense. But that isn't what's being proposed. The skill points would go back to you after changing classes and you'd use them accordingly.

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Elsonso · August 2015

RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »

The ability to change classes.

I am trying to figure out why they decided to have classes in the first place. It would have been so much easier, for everyone, if they had just gone the skills route and let people do whatever they wanted.

Acrolas · August 2015

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But seriously, with eight slots you can try a magicka and stamina based build of all four classes. And I just deleted a VR7 Argonian because he's useless. You have to just... let go...

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