Those who think they know about ES lore,...

likelolwhat · August 2015

Mojmir wrote: »

lore is for librarians,scholars and poets...lazy folks proffessions.

I'll have you know librarians are just about the most hard-working people on this planet.

After a while one's voice goes out from all the SHHHHHHHHH-ing, but bless 'em they carry on anyway!

RinneganDovahkiin · August 2015

likelolwhat wrote: »

RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »

It's fictional lore. Who cares? If it doesn't pertain to your hero, it doesn't actually matter at all. It's not there for you to learn it all, it's fluff to make the game more broad and immersive. I make *** up for my character that isn't a part of the official lore all the time. So do the developers, there were no Vampire Lords before Dawnguard. I'm not trashing people who find the lore interesting, but there's no reason to get so worked up about it because it's fake and can be changed at any time.

Each to their own, but this is a lore thread now. You're welcome to make an Anti-Lore thread so we can laugh you out of the room talk about that, specifically.

Again, not trashing people interested in it. It's actually very well developed and interesting. But considering most of the knowledge has no worth whatsoever in game, none of it has any value out of the game, and is constantly altered by the developers and players, it isn't something to start acting high and mighty about knowing. If the Elder Scrolls is ever rebooted, all of this "knowledge" will be a lie. My point is, feel free to talk about it, but it's pointless to try and force it on yourself and other players. All of it is fiction and there are always things being added to it.

likelolwhat · August 2015

Ah, I see your point now. An Insightful for you.

Rosveen · August 2015

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Scyantific wrote: »

Hahahahaha OP thinks he's an ES scholar because he read the Skyrim stuff.

Go ahead, explain the intricacies of the Dragon Break that took place during TES: Daggerfall.

Or the hidden meanings behind the 36 Sermons.

Or better yet, explain CHIM.

Or he can try to explain what "Fishy stick" is cause you have to be a pretty die hard fan boy or lore freak to know that inside joke.

The fishy stick should be considered forum lore rather than TES lore, I think. Explaining sweetrolls might be a better exercise.

Kuroinu · August 2015

My favourite thing in Skyrim was collecting books! I'd actually get more excitement out of seeing a book I didn't have over some other loot, lol.

BabeestorGor · August 2015

I think I know something about TES lore having played it for about 15 years now and spending some time in The Imperial Library and reading the lore forum.
I know I don't know everything about it and I suspect most of the people who think they do don't either.
Part of why I like TES is that there are still mysteries to discover.

Robo_Hobo · August 2015

BabeestorGor wrote: »

I think I know something about TES lore having played it for about 15 years now and spending some time in The Imperial Library and reading the lore forum.
I know I don't know everything about it and I suspect most of the people who think they do don't either.
Part of why I like TES is that there are still mysteries to discover.

That's why I like it a lot too - it would be boring if there was nothing left to learn or discover, I still often come across books I havent read before in any of the TES games I've played, and its always fun learning something new - even rereading books I may have read dozens of times before, new knowledge in other areas might allow for new interpretations or deeper appreciation from context.

I'm no master in TES lore, but I enjoy learning anything I can about it, and thats good enough for me.

jpatek0501ub17_ESO · August 2015

I love story's, Imagination is fun!! You cant just make stuff up then change it!!!

starkerealm · August 2015

Scyantific wrote: »

Hahahahaha OP thinks he's an ES scholar because he read the Skyrim stuff.

Go ahead, explain the intricacies of the Dragon Break that took place during TES: Daggerfall.

Or the hidden meanings behind the 36 Sermons.

Or better yet, explain CHIM.

Anyone who claims to understand the 36 Sermons is either intoxicated, hallucinating, lying, or in the process of transcending human existence and becoming a mudcrab.

Understanding CHIM is easy; you just need to start by licking toads.

But, seriously, everyone has to start somewhere. Skyrim's lit isn't actually bad. Granted, a lot of the best stuff in there is recycled from earlier games... but still. It isn't a bad place for a newbie to start. Now, if they never move beyond that? You still probably shouldn't insult someone for trying to learn new things, even when they do have trouble moving outside their comfort zone. You never know, it might be because they're afraid of being attacked my someone over their perceived lack of knowledge. And if that does cause them to leave, that's one more voice we'll never hear from.

So, you know, good going, or something.

Forestd16b14_ESO · August 2015

Rosveen wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Scyantific wrote: »

Hahahahaha OP thinks he's an ES scholar because he read the Skyrim stuff.

Go ahead, explain the intricacies of the Dragon Break that took place during TES: Daggerfall.

Or the hidden meanings behind the 36 Sermons.

Or better yet, explain CHIM.

Or he can try to explain what "Fishy stick" is cause you have to be a pretty die hard fan boy or lore freak to know that inside joke.

The fishy stick should be considered forum lore rather than TES lore, I think. Explaining sweetrolls might be a better exercise.

I know I know but still you have to be a pretty big fan to know the joke like you and me appearntly XD

CapnPhoton · August 2015

This should be obvious but, you can join the interesting discussions on lore, and ignore the nerd rage ones.

UrQuan · August 2015

likelolwhat wrote: »

Scyantific wrote: »

Don't look at me, look at the OP who called out the people who actually like to talk about TES lore.

And you whipped out your "Lore" to show how much bigger it was. Tsk.

I see your Lore is as big as mine! Let's see if you know how to use it...

Acrolas · August 2015

Lore is a collection of lessons collected in writing or orally. Lore's primary function is to teach.

But a lesson is shaped by the culture, education, and status of the person who wrote it. It's just one interpretation of a much larger story. And in the wrong hands, lore becomes propaganda favoring one side of the story. Feeding nationalism. Fueling war and intolerance and hatred.

Lore is just too fluid a thing to believe fully and unconditionally. Yet in times of war it's just safer to agree with what's said than to rebel against it. As far as I'm concerned the only lore in the game that I can rely on is the fishing bait, because I can see the truth behind it.

Everything else? Told by cranky elves and stubborn men in an attempt to teach us how to be good citizens who question nothing. But I'm a champion who questions everything. It's a strange place to be in a world I'm not in a position to change.

waterfairy · August 2015

The more you learn about lore the less sense it will be. Michael Kirkbride is a certifiable lunatic and those who added to it over the years have just turned it into the wires behind your PC/TV....tangled chaos that somehow connects and keeps the device running.

Egonieser · August 2015

Lore in TES is interesting, but remember guys, probably most often than not it is just ideas folks at bethesda/ZoS came up with while having their dinner at work and thought it would be fun to plop it in the game. Then people start digging too deep to find things that probably are not even there. Then comes all the deep investigation, theories, conspiracies and whatnot else when all it is - is some employees suggestion or random idea while he was taking a dump or having a cup of coffee.

This ain't Silmarillion, while it is a good lore for a game, that's really all it is. Which is why in many cases it doesn't make sense and people are trying real hard to make sense when there isn't or shouldn't be one. Just a collection of ideas to make the game more fun and immersive and justification for a prop or pixel in the game to make it feel more believable and less out of place.

No TES is based on any real book/story or anything, it is a game first and foremost, lore is just an afterthought and if devs feel like changing it, they are free to do so because it is based on nothing but their own imaginations and their own style.

Volkodav · August 2015

Rosveen wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Scyantific wrote: »

Hahahahaha OP thinks he's an ES scholar because he read the Skyrim stuff.

Go ahead, explain the intricacies of the Dragon Break that took place during TES: Daggerfall.

Or the hidden meanings behind the 36 Sermons.

Or better yet, explain CHIM.

Or he can try to explain what "Fishy stick" is cause you have to be a pretty die hard fan boy or lore freak to know that inside joke.

The fishy stick should be considered forum lore rather than TES lore, I think. Explaining sweetrolls might be a better exercise.

Fishy Sticks are from past ES games.Not the forums or ESO.I remember them in Morrowind.Well,the funny references anyway.

Volkodav · August 2015

starkerealm wrote: »

Scyantific wrote: »

Hahahahaha OP thinks he's an ES scholar because he read the Skyrim stuff.

Go ahead, explain the intricacies of the Dragon Break that took place during TES: Daggerfall.

Or the hidden meanings behind the 36 Sermons.

Or better yet, explain CHIM.

Actually,I read very little in ASkyrim.I did radd tons of books in Morrowind though,anc am reading tons on ESO.And,no,I dont htink I am a scholar at all.I was talking,..oh,go read my comment earlier.

Anyone who claims to understand the 36 Sermons is either intoxicated, hallucinating, lying, or in the process of transcending human existence and becoming a mudcrab.

Understanding CHIM is easy; you just need to start by licking toads.

But, seriously, everyone has to start somewhere. Skyrim's lit isn't actually bad. Granted, a lot of the best stuff in there is recycled from earlier games... but still. It isn't a bad place for a newbie to start. Now, if they never move beyond that? You still probably shouldn't insult someone for trying to learn new things, even when they do have trouble moving outside their comfort zone. You never know, it might be because they're afraid of being attacked my someone over their perceived lack of knowledge. And if that does cause them to leave, that's one more voice we'll never hear from.

So, you know, good going, or something.

I havent been an ES newbie since Morrowind was released. XD You'r comment h ere is what I was trying to convey with my OP. Thank you. :}

dodgehopper_ESO · August 2015

GuyNamedSean wrote: »

I've played since Oblivion and while I know A LOT of lore (more than anyone that I actually talk to), I know I don't know everything. Like that tidbit about Nords having been betrayed by the Falmer. I never found that in any of the books I've read in the games. I need to take the time to look into things from the Loremaster that aren't directly stated in-game, but I just really haven't.

Just do the mages guild arc in Skyrim and pay attention, you'll sort it out. A few side quests as well based out of and around Winterhold and Windhelm. There is also a little information you acquire by doing the Companions storyline as well.

Rosveen · August 2015

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Scyantific wrote: »

Hahahahaha OP thinks he's an ES scholar because he read the Skyrim stuff.

Go ahead, explain the intricacies of the Dragon Break that took place during TES: Daggerfall.

Or the hidden meanings behind the 36 Sermons.

Or better yet, explain CHIM.

Or he can try to explain what "Fishy stick" is cause you have to be a pretty die hard fan boy or lore freak to know that inside joke.

The fishy stick should be considered forum lore rather than TES lore, I think. Explaining sweetrolls might be a better exercise.

Fishy Sticks are from past ES games.Not the forums or ESO.I remember them in Morrowind.Well,the funny references anyway.

Nope.

Fishy sticks were probably the first Bethesda official forum meme. They were invented by Captain Eldrad to reward people who seemed like a positive contribution to the community . It later became a tradition to welcome new members with a fishy stick. The devs were amused and commemorated fishy stick in their games. There's a reason why Morrowind's reference is "The Capn's Guide to the Fishy Stick"

Volkodav · September 2015

Fishy Sticks are from past ES games.Not the forums or ESO.I remember them in Morrowind.Well,the funny references anyway.[/quote]
Nope.

Fishy sticks were probably the first Bethesda official forum meme. They were invented by Captain Eldrad to reward people who seemed like a positive contribution to the community . It later became a tradition to welcome new members with a fishy stick. The devs were amused and commemorated fishy stick in their games. There's a reason why Morrowind's reference is "The Capn's Guide to the Fishy Stick"

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I assume you were meaning forums for Morrowind or earlier.Not this one.

UrQuan · September 2015

Egonieser wrote: »

Lore in TES is interesting, but remember guys, probably most often than not it is just ideas folks at bethesda/ZoS came up with while having their dinner at work and thought it would be fun to plop it in the game. Then people start digging too deep to find things that probably are not even there. Then comes all the deep investigation, theories, conspiracies and whatnot else when all it is - is some employees suggestion or random idea while he was taking a dump or having a cup of coffee.

This ain't Silmarillion, while it is a good lore for a game, that's really all it is. Which is why in many cases it doesn't make sense and people are trying real hard to make sense when there isn't or shouldn't be one. Just a collection of ideas to make the game more fun and immersive and justification for a prop or pixel in the game to make it feel more believable and less out of place.

No TES is based on any real book/story or anything, it is a game first and foremost, lore is just an afterthought and if devs feel like changing it, they are free to do so because it is based on nothing but their own imaginations and their own style.

Not only that, but most of the Elder Scrolls lore comes to us from books that are written by in-universe sources. It's pretty much all from unreliable narrators, so some of it is contradictory and we don't know which source is right (or if any source actually got it right). Kind of like trying to piece together real world history from various written sources... We can draw reasonable conclusions about what is "true" and what isn't, but we never know for sure.

stevenbennett_ESO · September 2015

Heh… Lore is relative. My take on TES lore is colored somewhat by being long-time friends with certain past and present illustrious personages who have contributed to the overall collection of lore over the years, and thus am highly familiar with their highly warped senses of humor. Given that, anything you read *must* be taken somewhat with a grain of salt and a healthy dose of skepticism, because honestly, we may never learn the *real* truth about these historical events.

Personally, I feel we have a duty to add to the collection of lore by producing our own interpretation of the missing bits, knowing that future generations might learn from our wisdom and experience, and if some other bit of lore contradicts what we write, well… they won't be able to find us later to ask which of us was right.

--> Archibald Zgwortz, Loremonger Rank 7

UrQuan · September 2015

stevenbennett_ESO wrote: »

Heh… Lore is relative. My take on TES lore is colored somewhat by being long-time friends with certain past and present illustrious personages who have contributed to the overall collection of lore over the years, and thus am highly familiar with their highly warped senses of humor. Given that, anything you read *must* be taken somewhat with a grain of salt and a healthy dose of skepticism, because honestly, we may never learn the *real* truth about these historical events.

Wait... Are you trying to tell me that Argonian Maid might not have been quite as Lusty as advertised? :'(

stevenbennett_ESO · September 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

stevenbennett_ESO wrote: »

Heh… Lore is relative. My take on TES lore is colored somewhat by being long-time friends with certain past and present illustrious personages who have contributed to the overall collection of lore over the years, and thus am highly familiar with their highly warped senses of humor. Given that, anything you read *must* be taken somewhat with a grain of salt and a healthy dose of skepticism, because honestly, we may never learn the *real* truth about these historical events.

Wait... Are you trying to tell me that Argonian Maid might not have been quite as Lusty as advertised? :'(

Actually, I'm implying quite the opposite, but they may have had to tone down the truth to let it play to a wider audience.

UrQuan · September 2015

stevenbennett_ESO wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

stevenbennett_ESO wrote: »

Heh… Lore is relative. My take on TES lore is colored somewhat by being long-time friends with certain past and present illustrious personages who have contributed to the overall collection of lore over the years, and thus am highly familiar with their highly warped senses of humor. Given that, anything you read *must* be taken somewhat with a grain of salt and a healthy dose of skepticism, because honestly, we may never learn the *real* truth about these historical events.

Wait... Are you trying to tell me that Argonian Maid might not have been quite as Lusty as advertised? :'(

Actually, I'm implying quite the opposite, but they may have had to tone down the truth to let it play to a wider audience.

*Whew* that's a relief!

stevenbennett_ESO · September 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

Not only that, but most of the Elder Scrolls lore comes to us from books that are written by in-universe sources. It's pretty much all from unreliable narrators, so some of it is contradictory and we don't know which source is right (or if any source actually got it right). Kind of like trying to piece together real world history from various written sources... We can draw reasonable conclusions about what is "true" and what isn't, but we never know for sure.

Precisely. For a practical example, I turn your attention to a recent Q&A penned by Lady Clarisse Laurent. (I say "penned" figuratively, of course, as we all know Stibbons probably wrote down her answers as dictated, and we can never be certain that he didn't make minor changes in the process, unreliable fellow that he seems…) As anyone who has had the pleasure of spending any time with the Lady knows, she has a tendency to overlook certain elements of lore in favor of her own interpretation of things. Sadly, her writing seems to have been widely distributed, and therefore more likely to survive than other, possibly more accurate, interpretations of events.

Volkodav · October 2015

Scyantific wrote: »

Is OP an Elder Scrolls hipster?

Not a hipster,or whatever you call people these days, (always gotta give someone a title) but I am a die hard Elder Scrolls nut.lol. :}

Volkodav · October 2015

Scyantific wrote: »

Hahahahaha OP thinks he's an ES scholar because he read the Skyrim stuff.

Go ahead, explain the intricacies of the Dragon Break that took place during TES: Daggerfall.

Or the hidden meanings behind the 36 Sermons.

Or better yet, explain CHIM.

Firstly,OP isnt a 'he',..he's a 'she',and secondly I certainly never said I was a scholar of anything. And I didnt read Skyrim stuff.What I did read was almost every book I found in Morrowind.I dont remember it all either.lol.But then,I dont try to cast out the dates of every war to correct someone,nor do I go and correct every bad spelling of words like Nereverine,or Vvardenfell. Nvererine,or Vdardenfell arent correct,but I dont correct them.So,I am not a ES snob,nor a scholar.Just someone who loves the entire set of games.

Volkodav · October 2015

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Scyantific wrote: »

Hahahahaha OP thinks he's an ES scholar because he read the Skyrim stuff.

Go ahead, explain the intricacies of the Dragon Break that took place during TES: Daggerfall.

Or the hidden meanings behind the 36 Sermons.

Or better yet, explain CHIM.

Or he can try to explain what "Fishy stick" is cause you have to be a pretty die hard fan boy or lore freak to know that inside joke.

I remember the Fishy Sticks from Morrowind,ok.

jircris11 · October 2015

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

Ya know,there are a lot of people who come into ESO and have played since beta (and many who just came into the game even),and they think they all know the Elder Scrolls lore backwards and forwards.Because they play this new game.Thing is,if you really want to be able to know your lore,play the other ES games and then come back and tell everyone else what you know.To whine because something is or is not "lore friendly" doesnt mean the look of some clothing or armor,or weapon.There's a whole lot more to it all.I started playing ES games in 2002 and still havent learned it all.
And for that I'm grateful.

You can also read the books that bethesda has printed, it gives lore that is not in the TES games. i have played them all countless times. love them all despite the graphical inferiority on some. And some items they add do break lore BUT im one of those people who go "well this IS before any of the books or games so these could have existed back then" or "guess those mages are up to something again"