Magicka NB vs Stamina NB - Imperial City PVP

HebrewHatchet · August 2015

I'm in the same boat (relatively new player on console). I decided to start a Dunmer magicka nightblade. I think that this combination of class/race/curse has good synergy. You miss out on picking the optimal race (Breton or Altmer), but IMO you make up for that with vampire passives. I understand that by the time IC hits, vampires will be changed in that you will need to have a vampire ability slotted in order to be affected by the positive vampire passives (and you will always be affected by the lowered health regen and 25% extra fire damage), so if you go that route, keep that in mind.

Moglijuana · August 2015

God I can't wait to just spam piercing mark and *** off all these new magicka NB's. Time to farm AP/Stones

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO · August 2015

Rylana wrote: »

Then why dont you try them both out and find out for yourself when it comes out eh?

Why do you feel the need to have someone else do all the work for you

Some people can't play 5 hrs a day 7 days a week, so for them making 2 nb is a *** suggestion, instead they asked people with experience on their opinion.
You know, it is possible to give someone an idea of strengths weakness and styles without spoonfeeding builds. Maybe lay off a bit and get some fresh air.

Farorin · August 2015

Mag NB is good for utility and escaping, I think it will be good for TV farming, but lacks a lot in damage dealing capabilities, at least in my experiance.

Stam NB is way better for actual fighting and dealing damage, but not anywhere near as good at escaping, or survivability.

Darlgon · August 2015

Gunphu wrote: »

I would disregard individuals comments that have a negative tone. .

ROLF, yes. Lets disreguard the poster with 3500 posts, 758 insightfuls, 3.4K Agrees and 1.4 Awesome posts. Lets instead listen to a person with 39 total posts.

Sorry dude, but.. Rylana is right. We dont really know right now, but frankly, posters who play PTS and who do research have a pretty good idea.

As far as race goes for the original question... check out my list of racial passives here, the first post in the thread.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2192518/#Comment_2192518

<Edit> BTW, @Benjj You sound like you are new to MMOs. Some of us have been playing them for 15 years or so. There are certain builds that are called FOTM (Flavor of the Month). Examples in this game were like shield stacking sorcs or Jesus-beam Temps now, or sword and board DKs when the game launched, who are virtually unkillable, Basically when a game company reduces how well the current best class/build FotM build in the game works, another new FOTM appears.

When IC drops, the obvious FOTM will be the magicka nightblade. Which is why some are rather hostile to you saying you are a new player and basically want the "I win" build.

Darlgon · August 2015

13igTyme wrote: »

Plus with Dunmer, you can go vampire easier and get some good regen for either Magicka or stamina.

Just checking. You did see this in the patch notes for PTS? It will most likely go live this way....

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Combat & Gameplay

World
Vampire
Reduced the fire damage you receive to 25% from 40%.

Drain Essence: This ability now restores 10% of your health every second, and stuns your target on activation. It can be used on CC-immune targets, and can be used all the time (it no longer activates the Feed debuff).

Supernatural Recovery (passive): This passive now only works while any Vampire ability is slotted in your ability bar.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/200571/pts-patch-notes-v2-1/p1

Reeko · August 2015

Moglijuana wrote: »

God I can't wait to just spam piercing mark and *** off all these new magicka NB's. Time to farm AP/Stones

You know they can just purge it right?

21jws10 · August 2015

Both have their individual advantages but ultimately it depends upon you as a player if it fits you and your playstyle.

Whyn Aurum · August 2015

PvPing sorcs in open world is a waste of time, they will either bolt away or shieldstack against a magicka NB. I just ignore then and pick the other classes first.

Soulac · August 2015

Reeko wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

God I can't wait to just spam piercing mark and *** off all these new magicka NB's. Time to farm AP/Stones

You know they can just purge it right?

You need to purge twice to remove the whole debuff, which takes two seconds. Two whole seconds allowing your enemy to do what he wants and most likely it's recasting mark.
Purge is more expensive than mark as well.

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

I play Stamina Nightblade and i believe ill be pretty un-effected by the change's in imperial City.

1- Dodge Roll Cost Stack : Not a problem, you can use the new buffed cloak and mitigate all single target damage, however many people will be using AoE's as a counter to all the new magicka FoTM/blade's running around. So i will be using Elusive Mist. Elusive Mist give's you 75% damage reduction and last's 4 second's, giving you plenty of time to regen stamina and reset your dodge roll cost stack (green feet). You will also get your super natural recovery passive since it's required to have a ability slotted. Win win.

Mistform for four seconds while doing nothing else.
You know what four seconds are, right?
Four seconds to allow your enemy to deal dmg to you, to restart the fight or flee.

Araxleon wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

I play Stamina Nightblade and i believe ill be pretty un-effected by the change's in imperial City.

1- Dodge Roll Cost Stack : Not a problem, you can use the new buffed cloak and mitigate all single target damage, however many people will be using AoE's as a counter to all the new magicka FoTM/blade's running around. So i will be using Elusive Mist. Elusive Mist give's you 75% damage reduction and last's 4 second's, giving you plenty of time to regen stamina and reset your dodge roll cost stack (green feet). You will also get your super natural recovery passive since it's required to have a ability slotted. Win win.

2- New Siphoning Strike's : You know have a great option to retain your stamina and magicka pool's. Meaning more Elusive Mist's and Dodge Roll's. Not sure, but i hear people confirm and deny caltrop's still work's with this. If so this is great because it mean's you can regen magicka for more Elusive Mist's.

I'll have to do some testing but Poison Mist may proc Siphoning Strike's which would be great, give's the skill more viability. Elusive Mist though is a great escape and should never be underestimated.
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In my opinion i think Magicka Nightblade's are not that good in PTS. In live they are a crazy because of how hard Magicka Det hit's, literally a one shot kill. In pts it's not the same. They just are annoying bug's who spam cloak, nothing a AoE and piercing mark wont fix.

A lot of people will be running caltrop's and AoE's to counter them. So i'm not to worried.

Ohh you would be surprised I managed to make a amazing magicka NB that destroys most stam builds (My main struggles are magicka templar and sorc)

The only stamina builds that killed me or got close HAD to wear shield breaker set.

I think magicka NB will be better for smaller scale and 2vX etc
etc
Where stamina is better in bigger fights and 1vX

Magicka NB is awesome having as a member for a nice 2vX, true.
With Mark and limited dodge you shouldn't have problems against stam builds either since you won't run out of ressource by spamming healing ward.
Without mark it's equal I think.

Moglijuana · August 2015

Reeko wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

God I can't wait to just spam piercing mark and *** off all these new magicka NB's. Time to farm AP/Stones

You know they can just purge it right?

Yea...I know...LOL. All I'm going to do is keep casting mark. I love messing with people. Let everyone see their "invisible" selves and take them out for me while I stay hidden laughing at them while they try to run away. Besides, I am pretty sure there will be TONS of magicka NB's that have no idea how to build correctly anyways, so purge may or may not be slotted. I play magicka AND stam NB and will stick with stam. The killing power is just too much fun. And with vigor unlocking at level 5 assault?? yea gg.

GreenSoup2HoT · August 2015

Mistform for four seconds while doing nothing else.
You know what four seconds are, right?
Four seconds to allow your enemy to deal dmg to you, to restart the fight or flee.

I can just pop rally and ill full heal. Not to big of an issue.

Reeko · September 2015

Moglijuana wrote: »

Reeko wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

God I can't wait to just spam piercing mark and *** off all these new magicka NB's. Time to farm AP/Stones

You know they can just purge it right?

Yea...I know...LOL. All I'm going to do is keep casting mark. I love messing with people. Let everyone see their "invisible" selves and take them out for me while I stay hidden laughing at them while they try to run away. Besides, I am pretty sure there will be TONS of magicka NB's that have no idea how to build correctly anyways, so purge may or may not be slotted. I play magicka AND stam NB and will stick with stam. The killing power is just too much fun. And with vigor unlocking at level 5 assault?? yea gg.

Casting Mark takes magicka. As a stamina blade you can only cast it back to back so many times. And you can't mark somone behind a rock/tree/wall. They will break los, purge/cleanse, pop detect and spam Dark Cloak till they hunt you down. Then who is lol'ing?

Wreuntzylla · September 2015

Xael wrote: »

Lastly Argonian. Argonian are actually really good in v2.1.

With the increase to Health AND stat regen from Potion usage (coupled with NB passive) and greater increase to healing received, it makes them (Argonian) probably my favorite (Magicka) choice. This new meta coming is going to have a lot of damage reduction, meaning stuff like increases to healing and potions is going to be huge. In 1.6 these passives are hard to see considering how fast you can heal to full or die. With these new changes, Argonians will be really good despite the whining.

At the end of the day stats are easy, having a passive though that's unique gives you other options for niche builds.

With Stamina however, the sky is the limit. There are several ways to build and none of them wrong.

edit: @Benjj

You mean the passive that was changed to ultimate gain?

NGP · September 2015

Why wouldn't everyone just use mage light?

revonine · September 2015

Reeko wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Reeko wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

God I can't wait to just spam piercing mark and *** off all these new magicka NB's. Time to farm AP/Stones

You know they can just purge it right?

Yea...I know...LOL. All I'm going to do is keep casting mark. I love messing with people. Let everyone see their "invisible" selves and take them out for me while I stay hidden laughing at them while they try to run away. Besides, I am pretty sure there will be TONS of magicka NB's that have no idea how to build correctly anyways, so purge may or may not be slotted. I play magicka AND stam NB and will stick with stam. The killing power is just too much fun. And with vigor unlocking at level 5 assault?? yea gg.

Casting Mark takes magicka. As a stamina blade you can only cast it back to back so many times. And you can't mark somone behind a rock/tree/wall. They will break los, purge/cleanse, pop detect and spam Dark Cloak till they hunt you down. Then who is lol'ing?

Well you just described me except for the purge part (must really get that morphed for IC) if I get marked I pop a detect pot and get right up in their face in an instant thanks to my quite frankly insane movement speed in stealth. I can beat most stamina nightblades this way they barely get a chance to switch from their bow to their secondary. They only ones that get me are the ones that DO NOT mark me first and just snipe snipe snipe snipe. For nightblades reading this DO NOT mark your target first they'll know your there and immediately react.

Xvorg · September 2015

Yesterday I took my dear lady to the battle in Haderus and it was extremily surprising to see that the combo Roll dodge + cloak is pretty useful to escape dire situations and to get near the enemy in the battle front. And she is a stamblade

So long I haven't had such a good time in PVP

Moglijuana · September 2015

Reeko wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Reeko wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

God I can't wait to just spam piercing mark and *** off all these new magicka NB's. Time to farm AP/Stones

You know they can just purge it right?

Yea...I know...LOL. All I'm going to do is keep casting mark. I love messing with people. Let everyone see their "invisible" selves and take them out for me while I stay hidden laughing at them while they try to run away. Besides, I am pretty sure there will be TONS of magicka NB's that have no idea how to build correctly anyways, so purge may or may not be slotted. I play magicka AND stam NB and will stick with stam. The killing power is just too much fun. And with vigor unlocking at level 5 assault?? yea gg.

Casting Mark takes magicka. As a stamina blade you can only cast it back to back so many times. And you can't mark somone behind a rock/tree/wall. They will break los, purge/cleanse, pop detect and spam Dark Cloak till they hunt you down. Then who is lol'ing?

Good luck not pulling all the mobs on your way to "hide" in IC. Regardless, Piercing Mark cost is MUCH less than purge (and don't you have to cast it twice to get rid of the debuff?). Besides, you don't think I'll have my OWN detect pots?

. My stam NB STILL wrecks even with these nerfs. I literally go out of my way to kill a mag NB when I see them anyways because they usually can't stand getting attacked first. They aren't as op as everyone is making them to be. I've already killed more than I can count =D

P.S. I only ever using Mark when I'm in a group anyways, It's literally only to *** people off. I'd rather kill things without giving them a heads up that I am coming in when I am solo=D

chevalierknight · September 2015

Xael wrote: »

Benjj wrote: »

I'm a console player so don't have access to the PTS.

So I'm hoping to get a NB levelled up and ready for Imperial City launch, but as a new PVPer I'm struggling to decide between Magicka and Stamina. I don't want to create a character and choose a poor race for the job, so here is my question:

What are your thoughts on Magicka vs Stamina for NB builds according to what we know so far about Imperial City?
Will the dodge roll, CC break changes cause Stamina builds a lot of problems?
What differences can we expect between Magicka and Stamina?
And finally, if you had to choose between a Magicka or Stamina NB, which would you choose and which race would you roll?

You sound like a new player so forgive me if I sound condescending:

Magicka Nightblades have a higher skillcap than Stamina. Especially with the new changes where players are more durable and NB Magicka burst got nerfed (RIP Prox, etc), thus making them more about clutch/sustain niche builds. That's not to say Magicka NB's lack burst, they just require more skill to pull off than the average Stamblade and you have a lot more "outside the box" builds. This of course is predicated on proper movement and awareness, something new players lack and acquire over time.

You could get by if you are a fast learner and do well. That said, Altmer, Breton, or Dunmer all have passive Magicka . Dunmer get extra Fire Resist and Fire damage if you plan on doing destro, Breton has resist and cost reduction, Altmer elemental damage and regen. Can't go wrong with these. Dunmer has the option of transitioning to Stam easier than the other two with passive Stamina.

Or you can go Imperial for extra Health/Stam in case you decide to go Stam in the future. They make a decent Stamina Blade. Or you can go Nord, which get increased health and innate damage reduction by 6%. Lastly Argonian. Argonian are actually really good in v2.1.

With the increase to Health AND stat regen from Potion usage (coupled with NB passive) and greater increase to healing received, it makes them (Argonian) probably my favorite (Magicka) choice. This new meta coming is going to have a lot of damage reduction, meaning stuff like increases to healing and potions is going to be huge. In 1.6 these passives are hard to see considering how fast you can heal to full or die. With these new changes, Argonians will be really good despite the whining.

At the end of the day stats are easy, having a passive though that's unique gives you other options for niche builds.

With Stamina however, the sky is the limit. There are several ways to build and none of them wrong.

edit: @Benjj

I kill stamblades on my magblade allday i only play carefull nere dks because talons. take stamblades speed and cloak away 90% of stamblades are trash why i love grasp and mark

GreenSoup2HoT · September 2015

@chevalierknight How do you fair in Imperial City?

I will probably run Reactive Armour on my stam blade. It's to good to pass up. All cc builds are trash with this set. I don't have to much trouble with Magicka NB's, most just cloak and leave.

chevalierknight · September 2015

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

@chevalierknight How do you fair in Imperial City?

I will probably run Reactive Armour on my stam blade. It's to good to pass up. All cc builds are trash with this set. I don't have to much trouble with Magicka NB's, most just cloak and leave.

I lost some speed switching d-take for shuffle because all the aoe snare spam bar that my builds not changed

Reeko · September 2015

Moglijuana wrote: »

Reeko wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Reeko wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

God I can't wait to just spam piercing mark and *** off all these new magicka NB's. Time to farm AP/Stones

You know they can just purge it right?

Yea...I know...LOL. All I'm going to do is keep casting mark. I love messing with people. Let everyone see their "invisible" selves and take them out for me while I stay hidden laughing at them while they try to run away. Besides, I am pretty sure there will be TONS of magicka NB's that have no idea how to build correctly anyways, so purge may or may not be slotted. I play magicka AND stam NB and will stick with stam. The killing power is just too much fun. And with vigor unlocking at level 5 assault?? yea gg.

Casting Mark takes magicka. As a stamina blade you can only cast it back to back so many times. And you can't mark somone behind a rock/tree/wall. They will break los, purge/cleanse, pop detect and spam Dark Cloak till they hunt you down. Then who is lol'ing?

Good luck not pulling all the mobs on your way to "hide" in IC. Regardless, Piercing Mark cost is MUCH less than purge (and don't you have to cast it twice to get rid of the debuff?). Besides, you don't think I'll have my OWN detect pots? . My stam NB STILL wrecks even with these nerfs. I literally go out of my way to kill a mag NB when I see them anyways because they usually can't stand getting attacked first. They aren't as op as everyone is making them to be. I've already killed more than I can count =D

P.S. I only ever using Mark when I'm in a group anyways, It's literally only to *** people off. I'd rather kill things without giving them a heads up that I am coming in when I am solo=D

I thought detect pots don't work on cloak anymore?

And if your seeing a magblade, especially long enough to get the jump on them, then they deserve to die!

Truewavesound · September 2015

If you're interested in a slightly different magicka NB build for IC, check this out: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/216074/dark-harvester-magicka-nightblade-build-for-ic-pve-pvp-group-and-solo-play-in-1-7-2-1#latest

twistedmonk · September 2015

So you are a console player and looking forward to Imperial City....

here's what you need to know...get a group....doesn't matter what class/build you play. just pick one you like and stick with it.

that's the real truth. Group > all

nobody is saying nightblades are op

the current Meta is :

Stam DK / Magic Sorcerer
everything else
Templar

and of course, the next patch there will be new Metas...so dont fall into the trap of chasing FOTM. or level all 4 classes to max level and swap to FOTM if that's your thing

HungryHobo · September 2015

I play a redgaurd stam NB. she's a lot of fun.

Leveled a breton magicka NB to 26 atm. She is also fun. I am looking forward to leveling her more!

I would maybe go altmer though.. idk how good 3% spell mit is going to be in the long run...

SneaK · September 2015

I think a stam DW NB will be pretty good in IC, small group play that is..