Yes, women play games.

JD2013 · August 2015

So, forgive me if this comes off as rude OP, it isn't meant to, but ZOS shouldn't assume when it comes to female gamers, but it's okay to assume that all male gamers want the same thing?

Well. As a not that young and certainly non typical male gamer, I can assure you that I would also like more interaction with the world as well as more quests and content. Housing? Go on then. New armour options? Yes please! I would like prettier armour.

Rather than making it about men and women, how about people in general instead of segregation between the sexes? Everyone should be equal. Everyone's ideas and opinions count. I know this is not how the world works, but this is how it should.

Rosveen · August 2015

MornaBaine wrote: »

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

Not trying to be inflammatory, but is there something specific this comment is supposed to address?

The issue of character customization, which is huge with all players but I might argue is ESPECIALLY dear to female players as a general (though not ironclad) rule continues to be largely ignored. Ditto player housing. Female players often want a more immersive world, which means there needs to be more to it than JUST killing things (as much fun as that is!) but this, like every other MMO on the market, is almost the sole focus.

You made us an astonishingly gorgeous world...but you don't let us "live" in it yet. There is so little we can interact with aside from mobs. So what I'm saying is that your devs need to start giving some serious thought to what female gamers might like to have instead of just trying to knock off what has traditionally already "sold" and just doing it with better graphics. We womenfolk are demanding. We want more. And we're happy to pay for it when you make us happy.

THAT was my point.

Having spent years in the Elder Scrolls community and over a year in ESO, I can say with confidence that male players want immersion and customization just as often as female players. I support this battle, I really do, but don't make it about gender. Do you seriously think that player and guild housing is a feature directed at women? Or hairstyles? Did you miss all the men complaining about beard choices and lack of black hair for certain races? Do you think men don't want to play card games in a tavern or go horse racing?

ZOS needs to recognize and support different playstyles, not different genders.

tplink3r1 · August 2015

Do you even read the forums?
People are asking for more RP mechanics all the time! This is not a thing girls want, its a thing EVERY role-player want.

Lynnessa · August 2015

Could someone explain to me how this thread isn't sexist and about entitlement?

Zusia211 · August 2015

paleobonesb14_ESO wrote: »

Bah!

As a female I think this is nonsense. Zos is doing a fine job. I don't see any sexism. I think the character creator is excellent. I could care less about player housing.

Yes of the original five companions Lyris is the only female but she is a warrior. If she was the healer you might, slightly, have a point. I always thought the trailer reflected the faction leaders, hence the one female. When there are 3 people and only 2 sexes there is going to be an imbalance. This is not a big deal.

I also don't think the armor is prudish or that a nun would be caught dead in it, but that is my opinion.

I'm sorry you are unhappy but nominating yourself as a spokesperson for females eso plaayers is rather offensive to me.

This has been my thought.

I think the game itself is amazing and I have been immersed in it since release. Armor is fine, I would like to see just better looking ones in general. Also I just don't think they can really just focus on female gamers because we do get to choose are characters gender. I bet anyone that has more than one character has one of each gender, hence men being women and women being men.

milkbox · August 2015

If you've got a problem with Lyris' character and feel there's a gender imbalance in the portrayal of NPCs, I have one word for you:

Stibbons.

Alexandriamst · August 2015

Well of course women play games!

I'm female, and I've been a gamer since I was a kid! From Doom and Warcraft on DoS to Ninja Turtles on Super Nintendo to a list of played MMO's being far to long to list!

A lot of female gamer's are finally starting to show themselves, because it's a common thing now.

Back in the days of Neverwinter Knights, Pool of Radiance, Even early World of Warcraft it was "Rare" Hooey with all that!

And tip for male gamer's from a long time female gamer..

Just because we're a girl doesn't mean we need special attention/help. Chances are we are/can become a more competent gamer then you! ;D

SeptimusDova · August 2015

Dang I thought this was about the Jedi Mind trick thing they pull to get us men to take out trash, walk the dog, hold the purse, and buy new cars. I will BRB after coffee. Unless I have a list on the fridge

Slurg · August 2015

Lynnessa wrote: »

Could someone explain to me how this thread isn't sexist and about entitlement?

This is an equal opportunity offensive thread that assumes that all player desires are divided strictly along gender lines and not based on individual wants and needs.

Relmyna · August 2015

paleobonesb14_ESO wrote: »

Bah!

As a female I think this is nonsense. Zos is doing a fine job. I don't see any sexism. I think the character creator is excellent. I could care less about player housing.

Yes of the original five companions Lyris is the only female but she is a warrior. If she was the healer you might, slightly, have a point. I always thought the trailer reflected the faction leaders, hence the one female. When there are 3 people and only 2 sexes there is going to be an imbalance. This is not a big deal.

I also don't think the armor is prudish or that a nun would be caught dead in it, but that is my opinion.

I'm sorry you are unhappy but nominating yourself as a spokesperson for females eso plaayers is rather offensive to me.

I completely agree. In fact, I actually logged into to forum for the first time in months to share my perspective as a female gamer.

Here's my wish list, as a female gamer:
1. Fix the lag issues in Cyrodil. I'm sick of it and it has gotten progressively worse over the past few months. Cyrodil doors are the most OP mobs in the game.

Not on my radar:
1. More pets
2. Sexy armor
3. Housing

xaraan · August 2015

Of all the things ZoS needs to work on, this isn't one of them. They've always done a fine job here IMO.

dday3six · August 2015

Belidos wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

The article also assumes that a households ownship of a console indicates using it for gaming, ignoring that some households use them as a streaming devices/bluray player. Anecdotely my grandfather had a PS3 and now has a PS4 yet only used either for watching blurays and netflex.

That seems a bit excessive when you can buy a player with internet connection built in that plays Blu-ray and connects to Netflix for less than £50 LOL

Those players don't have a store to buy and rent videos from, and if they happen to break I cannot have stored all media data on an external hd, and load it onto a new one later.

Violynne · August 2015

I wish I can take my "awesome" click back. Context was everything in the OP and I misread it now that she followed up.

Now, I'm shaking my head. Another feminist rant.

First, as a guy, I never looked at Lyris as a "busty, dumb blonde". I play female characters and none of them are dressed scantily.

The point is: this game delivers choices for many types of players. Buff up enough, and female players can easily take the shirts off their male characters if they choose. I've seen it, so I know it can be done.

So I retract my awesome since the follow-up was more on "My view is this game is misogynistic and I don't have choices".

Such crap.

Lenikus · August 2015

Okay, so basically, this thread is based on the concept that what people think is the same as what the whole 3 billion other people of same gender think. And ZOS should take these posts one persons make in behalf of all the other people of same gender, using their own opinion, because, of course if I think that, everyone else who's a boy also thiks the precise same thing, it's obvious; and use those opinions to change / create things in a game played by hundreds of thousands of people, of all genders and/or identities, in many different gaming platforms, each with their own demographic as well.

Okay. imma sit this one out, here.
gud luk.

BaconMagic · August 2015

It's funny now with 'toons' it seems you have a better than 50% chance of a female toon being played by a guy. When I played MUDs, from 1996-2008, when you ran into a female character it almost always was a female. In fact, it often seemed as if there were more women in the hardcore RP MUDs than men, especially when the big modern MMOs started taking hold in the early 00s. And thankfully so, since my best online gaming experiences to date were from 2003-2007 during an epic saga run by primarily women GMs.

Rosveen · August 2015

Violynne wrote: »

I wish I can take my "awesome" click back.

You can. Just click it again.

KiraTsukasa · August 2015

Yeah, I know women play games. That why I had to kick my last girlfriend to the curb. Going out and getting knocked up with someone else's kid...

Oh. You meant... right.

Grunim · August 2015

BaconMagic wrote: »

It's funny now with 'toons' it seems you have a better than 50% chance of a female toon being played by a guy. When I played MUDs, from 1996-2008, when you ran into a female character it almost always was a female. In fact, it often seemed as if there were more women in the hardcore RP MUDs than men, especially when the big modern MMOs started taking hold in the early 00s. And thankfully so, since my best online gaming experiences to date were from 2003-2007 during an epic saga run by primarily women GMs.

I played MUDs for many years starting in '94 and I knew a ton of guys who would play female characters even back then. Unfortunately, I knew several guys who would normally play male characters EXCEPT when they played a healer character and they made the cleric types be female. So I would rebel and I have always made my healer characters male to counter that and even today my templar healer is male.

VilhelmValhalla4 · August 2015

I play this game like I do my single player games, not talking to anyone. As far as I know, every other player could be a man or a woman. I see threads like this all over the place on nearly every game, doesn't matter if its GTA or ESO. It always boils down to this; "I'm a girl! We play games too!" Cool! Awesome! Great! I don't really care, because we all, male or female, want to see the game progress; we want less lag, more quests, houses, so on and so forth.These things do not hinge on the fact that a particular player belongs to group A or B. I don't know what you want OP, but as far as I can see ZOS gave us all a lot of customization options, between physical appearance, costumes, and armor styles. In the future, just suggest something and try not to frame it in a "boy v.s. girl" sort of way, you might be surprised who'll agree with you based on the merits of the idea...

Athas24 · August 2015

All of this male/famale nonsense... and I'm here thinking... "All I want to do in game is drink, womanize, play cards and kill/blow things up! Undaunted FTW! lolz.

Violynne · August 2015

Rosveen wrote: »

You can. Just click it again.

D'oh!

Didn't know that. Awesome removed. Thanks!

robwolf666 · August 2015

drzycki_ESO wrote: »

My guild is roughly 50/50 also.

P.S. I love my new Noble Gown! More feminine items please.

Denauri

Lol, my sister moans a lot that the armour for female characters isn't very feminine. Now, she's one person where "feminine" doesn't mean "revealing". She's said there's no reason why existing armours that have the flaps down the front and back couldn't be replaced with a mid-thigh all-round armoured skirt.

eliisra · August 2015

Relmyna wrote: »

paleobonesb14_ESO wrote: »

Bah!

As a female I think this is nonsense. Zos is doing a fine job. I don't see any sexism. I think the character creator is excellent. I could care less about player housing.

Yes of the original five companions Lyris is the only female but she is a warrior. If she was the healer you might, slightly, have a point. I always thought the trailer reflected the faction leaders, hence the one female. When there are 3 people and only 2 sexes there is going to be an imbalance. This is not a big deal.

I also don't think the armor is prudish or that a nun would be caught dead in it, but that is my opinion.

I'm sorry you are unhappy but nominating yourself as a spokesperson for females eso plaayers is rather offensive to me.

I completely agree. In fact, I actually logged into to forum for the first time in months to share my perspective as a female gamer.

Here's my wish list, as a female gamer:
1. Fix the lag issues in Cyrodil. I'm sick of it and it has gotten progressively worse over the past few months. Cyrodil doors are the most OP mobs in the game.

Not on my radar:
1. More pets
2. Sexy armor
3. Housing

Same. I have 0 interest in fluff, rp, decorating houses, pets, ponies, rainbows or sexy outfits. I get so terribly *** tired when told that "real girls" apparently likes that.

I want good PvP. I want PvP with good performance. I also want a balanced game with great endgame content.

Only part where I agree with the OP is when it comes to overall female presence in story and game. That matters to me as well, because a sausage fest with stereotype/outdated gender roles is boring and frustrates me. One of the reasons why I would never play a game like Lotro, that's all about the dudes and their bromance journey.

But unlike OP, I think ESO does pretty good in that department. Loads of female heroes, NPC that aren't just "housemaids", strong female characters and of course lady villains.

Masuimi · August 2015

robwolf666 wrote: »

drzycki_ESO wrote: »

My guild is roughly 50/50 also.

P.S. I love my new Noble Gown! More feminine items please.

Denauri

Lol, my sister moans a lot that the armour for female characters isn't very feminine. Now, she's one person where "feminine" doesn't mean "revealing". She's said there's no reason why existing armours that have the flaps down the front and back couldn't be replaced with a mid-thigh all-round armoured skirt.

Your sister is cool. I can't stand feminist rants, just as much as i can't stand masculism rants.

Belidos · August 2015

dday3six wrote: »

Belidos wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

The article also assumes that a households ownship of a console indicates using it for gaming, ignoring that some households use them as a streaming devices/bluray player. Anecdotely my grandfather had a PS3 and now has a PS4 yet only used either for watching blurays and netflex.

That seems a bit excessive when you can buy a player with internet connection built in that plays Blu-ray and connects to Netflix for less than £50 LOL

Those players don't have a store to buy and rent videos from, and if they happen to break I cannot have stored all media data on an external hd, and load it onto a new one later.

The one I have connects to amazon prime, Netflix and dozens of other services that stream and sell films, it has a Blu Ray player and a 240gb hard drive (upgradable), it has a USB port and card reader to either connect external media sources or backup to an external drive, meaning it can read almost any media type. It cost me £99, that's roughly £200 less than a Play Station.

Zusia211 · August 2015

I look at it like this when comes to armor: I am going into a battle and not a fashion show or some dance. Also do we really want a whole bunch more guys trolling people in skirts dancing and so on? (honest question cause now i think about it can give a nice laugh)

Rikal · August 2015

MornaBaine wrote: »

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

Not trying to be inflammatory, but is there something specific this comment is supposed to address?

Are you referring to the OP or to one of the comments? If you are referring to my OP, I posted it because too often it is CLEAR that MMOs (including this one) are still being geared to a young male audience. Look at the Five Companions. Only ONE woman among them and she's a busty blonde. Oh and of course Tharn is always pointing out how dumb she is. Granted, he's disdainful of the rest of them as well but he saves most of his "you're clearly an idiot" schtick for Lyris. In the animated trailers for this game, which look pretty awesome, there is ONE female character. And, ironically, she shows plenty of cleavage and upper thigh..while you make most of the actual armor available in the game stuff a nun would wear and have actually REMOVED some of the PRETTIER light armor.

The issue of character customization, which is huge with all players but I might argue is ESPECIALLY dear to female players as a general (though not ironclad) rule continues to be largely ignored. Ditto player housing. Female players often want a more immersive world, which means there needs to be more to it than JUST killing things (as much fun as that is!) but this, like every other MMO on the market, is almost the sole focus.

You made us an astonishingly gorgeous world...but you don't let us "live" in it yet. There is so little we can interact with aside from mobs. So what I'm saying is that your devs need to start giving some serious thought to what female gamers might like to have instead of just trying to knock off what has traditionally already "sold" and just doing it with better graphics. We womenfolk are demanding. We want more. And we're happy to pay for it when you make us happy.

THAT was my point.

EDIT: And after scanning through some of the comments now...no, there was no question involved. The article was meant as a "heads up" for ZOS. And as a subject for discussion.

I agree with a lot of what your saying, but.....

The 5 companions are not gender balanced, but arguably the rest of the "cast" pretty well is. There are many female NPCs throughout the game of large and small importance. All over.

Tharn insults Lyris a lot but I see that as part of Tharn's character (he's a jerk). And just because Tharn calls her dumb doesn't mean she is! And banter-wise Lyris gives as good as she gets IMO.

Housing I agree wholeheartedly. They need to bring it.

Go ahead, be demanding. Want more. But you need to keep telling them what you want specifically. If all you ask for is "more", we are liable to get a city named "More" full of quests to go kill N number of zombies etc;)

Cazzy · August 2015

I don't know what's going on in this thread anymore

I'm a female gamer, I game for a living and own my own company. I also am a fighter for equality.

This shouldn't be about 'female' and 'male' gamers, it should just be about 'gamers'. No matter your sex we all want different thing. Saying that, I don't believe for a second that ESO is catering solely for the male gender. My lady character is currently sat in Ivarstead by the river wearing full heavy armour and letting her blonde locks flow free...

The only issues I do have are with other players and trolls being sexist, but they're idiots

mrskinskull · August 2015

MornaBaine wrote: »

http://www.dailydot.com/geek/adult-women-largest-gaming-demographic/

Sadly, the article doesn't really get into MMOs but as my guild is about a 50-50 men/women split I'd say it's pretty safe to bet a LOT of us "girls" play this game. You MIGHT want to start paying attention to that ZOS. Just sayin'.

Huh?

WalkingNorth · August 2015

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