dabulls7491 wrote: »

In my opinion bugs should be fixed, since they delivered a buggy product. Subs should go toward new content. Fyi, I sub.

Bethesda games aren't a buggy mess upon delivery and by the time it's repackaged into a game of the year addition, bug fixes all around.

Tommy_valkyria wrote: »

dabulls7491 wrote: »

In my opinion bugs should be fixed, since they delivered a buggy product. Subs should go toward new content. Fyi, I sub.

Bethesda games aren't a buggy mess upon delivery and by the time it's repackaged into a game of the year addition, bug fixes all around.

this is not a Bethesda game...

I think the biggest problem is that things aren't hotfixed sometimes as fast as they should be. For example, the PVP exploits that let people teleport strike through keeps. Maybe the problem was more difficult than it should be, but the exploit was allowed to run rampant for months and months. Several other major issues needed to be addressed faster than not, but weren't.

That said, I've been subbed since launch and will continue to stay subbed, but a lot of the PVP exploits have killed people's interest in PVPing. Most of my PVP guilds are dead. =/

For those on console, you do realize Sony and Microsoft both charge developers to patch their games? Developers are allowed one free update every 6 months, anything more and they are charged a large fee. There's no mention yet what they charge for the new console updates but I know on Xbox 360 developers were charged $40,000 for title updates.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-06-26-microsoft-no-longer-charges-developers-to-patch-their-xbox-360-games

Tessie wrote: »

I don't know how realistic the "let's throw money at people and hope they do what I want them to do with it" plan is.

it works for the telvanni in Vvardenfell morrowind, it will work here in eso as well.
"Gold is the lubricant of society"

Give me reason to sub and I sub.
For now, I prefer to buy my crowns directly. On demand. Whenever they put anything in the crown store I actually want. Which is not that often.

Don't they want my money? The datamine threads look so delicious...

MikeB wrote: »

For those on console, you do realize Sony and Microsoft both charge developers to patch their games? Developers are allowed one free update every 6 months, anything more and they are charged a large fee. There's no mention yet what they charge for the new console updates but I know on Xbox 360 developers were charged $40,000 for title updates.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-06-26-microsoft-no-longer-charges-developers-to-patch-their-xbox-360-games

Can't really blame Sony/MS for doing this. This might force developers to test their games more extensively before they release them. I can, however, imagine there might be special deals for mmos, as these require much more patching than standard games.

Riko_Futatabi wrote: »

It's too bad we're in this free-to-play entitlement generation of players. Since there are so many free-to-play MMOs around now, many younger or just new MMO players have actually got their first MMO experience from free-to-play MMOs and has somewhat warped their attitude towards paying for anything.

"Listen kids, back in my day we paid a monthly sub. and everything was available in-game! If we wanted extra content we'd go out and buy the god damn expansion packs!" - Cranky McOldguy

"back in my day"? You mean when we brought a burger we got a burger?

Tommy_valkyria wrote: »

"No one sub to this game until they fix it!"
Labor isn't free. Sub so they CAN fix it.
Now try to argue the point so me and the other non-free-riders can strike your argument down.

At console release they sold over 2 million copies @ $70 each and didn't fix a thing. Its b2p mate. Player retention is a very low priority compared to low operating costs.

Tessie wrote: »

I don't know how realistic the "let's throw money at people and hope they do what I want them to do with it" plan is.

You've made an assumption that if there is a surge in subscriptions that they will allocate or hire more staff for ESO. There is a corporation involved that could make a business decision to award larger bonuses to management, give dividends, sit on the money, pay down corporate debt, make infrastructure improvements, or divert the funds to another product.

My boss would rather peel his fingernails off than pay someone overtime, so I assumed that with the extra money they could pay for more labor, not employees.

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

Tommy_valkyria wrote: »

dabulls7491 wrote: »

In my opinion bugs should be fixed, since they delivered a buggy product. Subs should go toward new content. Fyi, I sub.

Bethesda games aren't a buggy mess upon delivery and by the time it's repackaged into a game of the year addition, bug fixes all around.

this is not a Bethesda game...

I'm aware, it was extreme sarcasm due to the fact that ZoS gets such a hard time while people shout praises at Beth. Buggy upon release, while only game breaking bugs are fixed. Not one ES game was balanced, but no one cares.

Riko_Futatabi wrote: »

It's too bad we're in this free-to-play entitlement generation of players. Since there are so many free-to-play MMOs around now, many younger or just new MMO players have actually got their first MMO experience from free-to-play MMOs and has somewhat warped their attitude towards paying for anything.

"Listen kids, back in my day we paid a monthly sub. and everything was available in-game! If we wanted extra content we'd go out and buy the god damn expansion packs!" - Cranky McOldguy

So you're mad because people decided they prefer to not pay a monthly fee for a game they don't think is worth it? I mean if these people were clamoring for free expansions I could see your point, but asking for existing bugs/exploits to be fixed is reasonable.

MikeB wrote: »

For those on console, you do realize Sony and Microsoft both charge developers to patch their games? Developers are allowed one free update every 6 months, anything more and they are charged a large fee. There's no mention yet what they charge for the new console updates but I know on Xbox 360 developers were charged $40,000 for title updates.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-06-26-microsoft-no-longer-charges-developers-to-patch-their-xbox-360-games

Had you just read the url you would realize that Microsoft does not charge for title updates anymore. Upon further investigation, you also would see that Sony does not charge said fee.

ZoS did not have millions of people testing eso, so please don't say it's outrageous that millions found bugs that 20 or 30 people could not.

Second, you're right. You payed 60 for the game. The game being the work that was put into it.
If I buy a lawn chair, is home depot going to give me another one, and a table? No. They wont. More money for more work, period.

Third, if it actually does cost them 40,000 to patch the game, and no one is subbing.. expect about 15 patches. Ever.

bareheiny wrote: »

Tommy_valkyria wrote: »

If I buy a lawn chair, is home depot going to give me another one, and a table? No. They wont. More money for more work, period.

Yeah, but if you find that the chair starts to crack upon use you'd be taking it back for a replacement / refund.

You sure as *** wouldn't be buying more of the same chairs hoping that home depot would take that money and address the cracking issue.

And odds are pretty good that you wouldn't be forking out more money for a table of the same "quality".


Or maybe you would actually throw more money at them....because that seems to be what your advocating with your sub up or shut up attitude.

A chair or any material possesion will age and become damaged, so your euphomism is poor.

Allow me to try again. If I pay someone to paint the door on my truck, will he paint the hood and tail gate for free? Negative.