Console: Should text chat be implemented with the IC patch?

NewBlacksmurf · August 2015

No

dday3six wrote: »

Kleptobrainiac wrote: »

I would just like to let Zeni know that for every hyberbolic statement of cancelation posted, I personally pledge to add another subscription to ensure that a text chat window will never clutter the fantasticly minimal UI that keeps me playing this game.

Keep up the good work Zen & stay the course.

Love this game!

The UI is going to be updated to feature more information. It was covered a few ESO lives ago. Specifically damage numbers and effect trackers were mentioned.

I didn't gather that to cover consoles. It seemed slotted for PC as the latter was about the change of the UI on PC if a controller was present and feedback or options that they are working through.

Did you see them reference console or just the game in general?

dday3six · August 2015

Yes

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

Kleptobrainiac wrote: »

I would just like to let Zeni know that for every hyberbolic statement of cancelation posted, I personally pledge to add another subscription to ensure that a text chat window will never clutter the fantasticly minimal UI that keeps me playing this game.

Keep up the good work Zen & stay the course.

Love this game!

The UI is going to be updated to feature more information. It was covered a few ESO lives ago. Specifically damage numbers and effect trackers were mentioned.

I didn't gather that to cover consoles. It seemed slotted for PC as the latter was about the change of the UI on PC if a controller was present and feedback or options that they are working through.

Did you see them reference console or just the game in general?

Game in general. It was also mentioned that even though more info was available on PC through addons. Addons are not available for console.

Dahkoht · August 2015

Yes

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Tholian1 wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

Kleptobrainiac wrote: »

I would just like to let Zeni know that for every hyberbolic statement of cancelation posted, I personally pledge to add another subscription to ensure that a text chat window will never clutter the fantasticly minimal UI that keeps me playing this game.

Keep up the good work Zen & stay the course.

Love this game!

The UI is going to be updated to feature more information. It was covered a few ESO lives ago. Specifically damage numbers and effect trackers were mentioned.

And if they can give the option for people to clutter their screens with damage numbers, why not an option for text chat too? Options are wonderful things.

Except for those people that just can't stand the thought of someone else playing the game a different way from them , seeing numbers and evil text even though they never would unless they chose to.

Options are for reasonable people basically.

Zazaaji · August 2015

Yes

Dahkoht wrote: »

Tholian1 wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

Kleptobrainiac wrote: »

I would just like to let Zeni know that for every hyberbolic statement of cancelation posted, I personally pledge to add another subscription to ensure that a text chat window will never clutter the fantasticly minimal UI that keeps me playing this game.

Keep up the good work Zen & stay the course.

Love this game!

The UI is going to be updated to feature more information. It was covered a few ESO lives ago. Specifically damage numbers and effect trackers were mentioned.

And if they can give the option for people to clutter their screens with damage numbers, why not an option for text chat too? Options are wonderful things.

Except for those people that just can't stand the thought of someone else playing the game a different way from them [...] Options are for reasonable people basically.

Little off topic, but that's not always the case.

For example: Having the option to use flying mounts would not go over well with most people if they get added. Don't get me wrong, I want text chat and have even stopped playing entirely until it's added, but I just wanted to point out there's an obvious problem with that statement. Some optional features (ontop of flying mounts) would go over terribly.

Also anything severely lore breaking would also cause an uproar, such as modern day firearm skins to staffs, modern combound bow skins to in world bows, that sort of stuff. That'd be asking for an uproar from that vast majority of fans.
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Dahkoht · August 2015

Yes

Zazaaji wrote: »

Dahkoht wrote: »

Tholian1 wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

Kleptobrainiac wrote: »

I would just like to let Zeni know that for every hyberbolic statement of cancelation posted, I personally pledge to add another subscription to ensure that a text chat window will never clutter the fantasticly minimal UI that keeps me playing this game.

Keep up the good work Zen & stay the course.

Love this game!

The UI is going to be updated to feature more information. It was covered a few ESO lives ago. Specifically damage numbers and effect trackers were mentioned.

And if they can give the option for people to clutter their screens with damage numbers, why not an option for text chat too? Options are wonderful things.

Except for those people that just can't stand the thought of someone else playing the game a different way from them [...] Options are for reasonable people basically.

Little off topic, but that's not always the case.

For example: Having the option to use flying mounts would not go over well with most people if they get added. Don't get me wrong, I want text chat and have even stopped playing entirely until it's added, but I just wanted to point out there's an obvious problem with that statement. Some optional features (ontop of flying mounts) would go over terribly.

Also anything severely lore breaking would also cause an uproar, such as modern day firearm skins to staffs, modern combound bow skins to in world bows, that sort of stuff. That'd be asking for an uproar from that vast majority of fans.
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True but here we are talking about communication and UI features. Some want to see damage and healing numbers and a detailed combat log , more power to them , not into tons of floaty numbers myself , but not a cell of my being would want to deny someone else seeing them if they wanted.

Just as if area voice chat , shudder , got added to the PC , as long as I could permanently turn it off , I'd have zero care for those who want to use it.

Options that let others see or hear things like they prefer to enjoy the game ? Seems less selfish and more friendly to be for those options.

Draghorn · August 2015

Yeah, I personally would rather not have other people's voice chat coming in over my speakers, but as long as I can mute it, and turn it off, I don't mind or care if it is there for other players to use.

Just like if they added voice chat to PC and somebody just couldn't stand text chat and only wanted voice chat for everything they would be able to do that. Just uncheck every channel on the text chat tab's options screen and "Taa Daa" text chat will go away and you will never see it in game again.

Drake_Fury · August 2015

No

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Everyone has their opinions...

there is what we hear from the developers...

And then there is what was offered so excuse me if I support the game as is and if I did A LOT of research including playing closed BETa and keeping a thread going for months with console specific updates to inform the forum community of what's to come.

The features like text chat are nothing but a feature. If for anyone it's a deal breaker then it's that gamers responsibility to check and see if such a feature exists prior to making a purchase. The results of people leaving due to a feature that was assumed to be on console soley because it's on PC or because that's what they assumed would be on console isn't a reason for the company to change their development plans.

We as customers are responsible for informing ourselves on any purchase prior. If we don't then we will have to deal with the consequences.

Now regarding text chat box on console...for those who have actually watched the episodes and also who were apart of the console closed BETA, they fully understand if they chose to participate in the console beta forums.

For anyone who didn't have the experience there were and are many different articles showing and explaining features specific to each console prior to release and after release.

I don't fault anyone for making suggestions or having feedback. The issue here largely is that after statements from the DeVs have been made people are arguing with others who are in support of what the DeVs shared publicly.
If they want the DeVs to change their minds...O k there are constructive ways to do so but that's not what's going on in this thread.

Pages and pages of me particularly attempting to avoid arguments, threats, name calling, trolling, baiting, etc all because someone is upset with a misinformed decision they've made.
It's not O K to lash out at others who actually like the game experience without text chat. It's O K to desire to keep a game absent of the flooding of what always comes with in-game text chat. We all have identified or expressed discontent with in-game features that are driving a lot of the comments to have a text chat box but ultimately another form of communication on the screen isn't something I want to see and others also feel the same.

It's very odd that people cannot seem to accept a developers decision and adjust accordingly.
Game after game forums and social media become filled with complaints which largely are resolved by just not buying the product.

We won't see eye to eye on this and if this one topic somehow concludes that something is wrong with my thinking so be it.
If the DeVs decide to change the game, two things happen for me...either I join PTS and give feedback in the forums where they ask for it or I take a few months off until things change to my liking.

When people start suggesting off the wall things like people again "them" having text chat don't want ....deaf ppl, handicap ppl, ppl with broken mics, ....whatever else I skipped or whoever else not to enjoy the game that's what gets under my skin.

Here is the thing....not never has a text chat box been considered so for whatever reason in people's heads they are drawing an idea that I'm trying to change or limit their gaming experience is a very very sad and concerning position.

If this were a ZOS feedback thread where ZOS asked for our feedback to add it then that's different.
They aren't asking, aren't considering and have not desired any feedback on this at all.

The larger issue tho is it's not here because of the reasons they shared on ESO live. None of those reasons are what ppl are arguing about so it's a lot of comments and no one willing to even listen to inform themselves.

I'm very invested into this game so pardon me if I feel that being in support of the DeVs matters vs filling the forums with stabs and feature requests that further delay much needed projects.

I'm going to start this by quoting a Mod. He put this message after moderating some posts, back on page 23-ish, please take note of the bolded part.

ZOS_MatM wrote: »

Hi Everyone,

This thread has been edited and some posts removed. Please keep this thread on topic and respect other people’s opinions. Use the report feature if you feel someone is breaking forum rules instead of replying to post. Let's keep this discussion civil to prevent this thread from being locked as there are some great points being discussed.

Thank you.

Something in that post tells me that this thread did not fall into deaf ears (or should I say blind eyes?). They specifically encourage us to keep the discussion going, even saying that "there are some great points being discussed". It is also important to note that they have redirected other threads about text chat to this particular thread to consolidate discussion, so even though the thread title still mentions that it's about it coming to IC, this thread pretty much became the consolidated console text chat discussion. So, to everyone who does, please stop saying the thread is useless.

That being said, I want to talk about the business model of an mmorpg, since some people still don't seem to understand how it works.

There are 3 business models for mmorpgs, the first one is the subscription model, also known as P2P (pay to play). This model is simple. You pay for the game, then you pay a monthly subscription fee. There is no cash shop, everything you can get, you can get ingame. This is the best model for a company as longas they can keep their player base large enough to have a huge income from subscriptions. This results in frequent patches, updates and Expansions because of theregular flow of money. WoW, Everquest, FFXI and FFXIV are good examples.

The second model is the one we have in ESO, known as B2P (buy to play). This system consists in using the sales of the retail to finance the first 1 or 2 DLCs, and use a cash shop with minor boosts that players can buy to increase effectiveness or estethics (exp scrolls, mounts, etc.). This model also brings in paid updates. If you want to have access to the big patches, you need to buy them as DLC. This is a backup model. Companies will often go with this if they think players won't stay if you charge them monthly, or if you're pushed by microsoft because they don't want subscription games on their console (Which is why FFXIV never went on xbox). If your game is good enough to keep their players, it is a very solid model.

The last model is the one the companies don't want to have to embrace, the F2P (Free to play), also known as the P2W (pay to win) model. This model consists of only microtransactions, and more often than not, you can buy significant upgrades with real money, even making using real money more efficient than anything you do ingame to get your equipement. It is a model where the devs wait until they got enough money from the cash shop to use it to develop more DLCs, resulting in updates coming always slower with the player base slowly leaving.

Whatever the model the company decides to use, 1 thing remains the same: If you lose players, you lose money. If you lose money, your updates get slower, if your updates get slower, you lose more people, and it's a downward spiral. In this, the mmorpg market looks a lot like politics. Every MMO will try to bring something new to the table in order to catch the attention of the players to their game. The player, who rarely plays multiple mmorpgs at the same time, will generally choose one and stick with it for a few months to a few years (I stayed on FFXI for 7 years). The goal of the company is not only to bring people to their game, but also, and more importantly, keep them.

If you don't see the numbers decreasing on ESO, you're burying your head in the sand very deeply. Of course, text is not the only reason for this. The markets are one, the fact that you have to go through many solo quests to unlock areas is another, the fact that the group finder is not used due to the problems it brings, and other stuff.

I don't say that text chat would save ESO. But I know that it would make some of the things that makes people leave more manageable. Some people will leave anyways, but I'm sure it wouldn't be as bad as it aleready is. I've made a few good friends since I play ESO, and I aleready see them leave for different reasons. I like the game and I don't want to see it crash, but it's appearent that it's heading that way at this point. We'll see how many players will come back with IC, but seeing how many left, I doubt that the number will be big. Many people left while they were not even in the Veteran levels, so VR15-16 content is still pretty far for them.

By saying "They can get text in another game", you're not helping ZoS, you're actually hindering them. The average mmo player, the one who will stay on a mmo for more than 2 years, expects some things. Text chat is one of them. By trying to make an mmo game without the basic mmo communication feature is saying: "Let's try to cater to those who don't normally play mmorpgs". This is a mistake. That player base is not the player base who will stick with a video game for over 2 years. They are the player base who will go play the next big game that interests them, and the next one, and the next one, until they stop buying DLCs.

The income of the retail game will cover the developpement costs of making the launch version of the game as well as that of the first and maybe second DLC. All the rest of the money will come from the cash shop and from selling DLCs, so you guys better hope the player hemorragy stops soon or you will all soon realise that a DLC every 3 months can quickly change to a DLC every 6 months, every year, or no more DLC at all...

mistermutiny89 · August 2015

Yes

Eriquito3 wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote: »

F7sus4 wrote: »

I'm not a console player myself, but I saw how the voice chat works at YT and it's just ridiculous.

Those clips are cherry picked.

Area chat is actually very functional and fun.

Lol yeah cherries picked... LOL

Here are 3 videos I recorded in the same day... all 3 tines I was just coming into town just to sell junk and do some crafting.
https://youtu.be/UZ1dorAbF0k

https://youtu.be/bvfPGnkZwuw

https://youtu.be/eoT7rJi-UKs

The only 3 times I visited a town that day and all 3 times voice chat was like that.
But yeah... it's cherries picked and there occurrences are so rare.... Lol your arguments are so weak a babies far can push it over.

@Eriquito3 Man oh man are these videos spot on! I haven't contributed to this thread for a while now (perhaps this won't even be a contribution and my madness over this topic has sprouted another rant) but I'm coming back to continue the fight because it's getting so painful dealing with this voice chat system. I'm at my wits end dealing with the voice chat the way it is (exactly the way those videos show).

You CAN NOT tell us that is okay ZoS!

I know the semantics of this thread's heading "text chat by IC" is irrational and out of the question but it's clear the original poster is just desperate for change and just wants to fight for our right to have text chat. PC has it, we need it. Before we just give up on ESO all together.

Do you know how many posts from lost consolers there are each day on this forum that could be solved with text chat?!

The people arguing against this change seem to think it's their responsibility to uphold Zenimax's answers and almost bible-bash their "gospel" (that's metaphorical no bait). Zenimax has probably said many no's to many changes their player base had asked for before until finally getting with the program and giving what their consumers want or in this case need.

The people against text chat here SOUND like people against gay marriage. It's not going to effect you and it's going to make everyone else happier. Come onto our side and help us! PLEASE!

Listen to that nonsense on area chat from these videos. This is what I deal with everyday on ESO. That's my experience and when it's quiet... There's literally no one in area chat. When I completed cadwell's gold I saw two players on all five maps and I used your text bubble "would you like to join a group?" And they ran off.

Text bubbles WON'T work. The Voice chat does NOT work. Just giving up on something you believe in because one person said no once does NOT work.

I've probably changed no opinions with this post because ignorance is bliss but I tried. Head meet brick wall.

Nergie4242 · August 2015

Yes

Area chat is deeply flawed. I was trying to think of a game where a community has chosen area chat over other forms of communication when provided. Couldnt think of one. Take dcuo for example as it probably well known to the ps4 players at least. Most people would put it on to see what it is, then turn it off 2 seconds later as they dont particularly want to listen to some kids crappy music. See the reason for this is area chat is too easily disruptable and not as efficient as text chat so why would people use it as their primary form of communication. Answer of course is they woudlnt. Now im not saying get rid of it. Not at all, some people will like it and want to use it forever. However are those people in the majority? I doubt it. Indeed the people arguing against text chat no doubt love this system and want to exclude anything that takes away the dominance of it. Why? Because they know area chat dies the second text comes in. Why? Because its more efficient. From whatever angle you look at this it is a truly stupendously ludicrous decision to not include it. The bigger crime however is ZOS for not admitting their mistake and burying their heads in the sand. And that is why ZOS will not get a penny from me. Not until there are some pretty substantial changes to their direction as their ideas leave a lot to be desired and their implementation of what easily could be a great game is the worst I have ever seen in any MMO i've played.

Rex-Umbra · August 2015

No

I voted no because i enjoy voice but am now leaning towards yes some form of text chat for guilds lfg etc would be nice i just don't want it on the interface.

bcwhiteh_ESO · August 2015

Yes

There's absolutely no reason to not have a text chat in the game. It can easily co-exist along side voice chat. But without it, the game is pretty much unplayable if you're expecting to play the game in any way outside of solo questing.

Blairy087 · August 2015

No

It won't be ic but hey hope you guys get it. Everyone wants it, I have no issues with the voice chat at all the odd troll here and there I just switch it off till I'm out of the area. I hope you guys get it but I better be able to hide it cause I don't want that box taking up space on my screen.
It won't really make any difference to the game for me anyway. If people aren't talking on voice I won't hear them and since I'd have text off 100% of the time I still couldn't talk to them anyway

Good luck guys you have made enough noise so you will get it eventually

Kleptobrainiac · August 2015

No

Without text chat, the game will die a slow & painful death!

Tea leaves told me so. That and the many Warren Buffets of the MMO world, posting right here in this thread.

Vansair · August 2015

for console yes def we need it and i would love it so i dont have to interact with some screehy crap mic every time just to talk to someone. Text chat is a must also.

mrskinskull · August 2015

No

I would like to see a text chat app soon.
One with inventory management , training and research options and some form of map.
Bf 4 manages to update in twitch shooter realtime.
Even without the extras, the text chat app would keep our buds squeeky clean.

No thanks to the old fashioned text chat box from the 1990s.

I want to chat with my guild and keep up with the game even when I'm away.

Its really selfish of some people to try to force an outdated mode of text chat on such a progressive game. Why should players who have to work or travel be left out of text chat?
Shame!

The text chat app doesn't have to come with the imperial city hence my no, but it should come soon.

Ishta · August 2015

Yes

Rimmsa wrote: »

GuyNamedSean wrote: »

Voice chat is lovely but anyone who's been through Riften on Xbox knows that it's overwhelming with twenty to thirty people crammed in one place shouting over each other. Adding text chat alongside the voice chat would make recruiting for groups, guilds, and trading far easier. Look at how Warframe's text chat works. It's a lovely and simple format. You can introduce that on console and so much of the communication on the game will be so much easier.

Totally agree! I don't use my mic; for reasons like you stated, but mainly personal preference. It's near impossible to sell items, when not in a guild with a guild store, or invite/join anyone.

Even if you use your mic you have to fight your way through the hoard of voices to get heard. Add a text feature, maybe a pop-up window you can enable. Especially while in town.

This. I struggle to get a group in Cyrodiil from my own guild because it's hard to be heard above constant instructions and reports. I can't believe how they can ignore the multitude of problems the absence of this one simple feature has caused.

Go ahead, remain silent and bury your head in the sand ZOS. I don't think that'll work out very well for any of us. But like many others I'm rather sick of wasting my time logging into the game each day, just to be frustrated and annoyed at the situation. I love many other aspects of the game, but I still expect to be able to enjoy them and your lack of a basic and much needed communication system severely hinders that.

bareheiny · August 2015

Yes

mrskinskull wrote: »

I would like to see a text chat app soon.
One with inventory management , training and research options and some form of map.
Bf 4 manages to update in twitch shooter realtime.
Even without the extras, the text chat app would keep our buds squeeky clean.

No thanks to the old fashioned text chat box from the 1990s.

I want to chat with my guild and keep up with the game even when I'm away.

Its really selfish of some people to try to force an outdated mode of text chat on such a progressive game. Why should players who have to work or travel be left out of text chat?
Shame!

Why should people who don't have access to smart phones and tablets be left out of text chat?
Shame!

mrskinskull · August 2015

No

bareheiny wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote: »

I would like to see a text chat app soon.
One with inventory management , training and research options and some form of map.
Bf 4 manages to update in twitch shooter realtime.
Even without the extras, the text chat app would keep our buds squeeky clean.

No thanks to the old fashioned text chat box from the 1990s.

I want to chat with my guild and keep up with the game even when I'm away.

Its really selfish of some people to try to force an outdated mode of text chat on such a progressive game. Why should players who have to work or travel be left out of text chat?
Shame!

Why should people who don't have access to smart phones and tablets be left out of text chat?
Shame!

Some people have the disposable income for a PlayStation 4, ESO game disc and PS plus and monthly internet connection fees but chafe at the idea of a smart phone?
Shame!

Good try tho.

Tholian1 · August 2015

Yes

Ishta wrote: »

Rimmsa wrote: »

GuyNamedSean wrote: »

Voice chat is lovely but anyone who's been through Riften on Xbox knows that it's overwhelming with twenty to thirty people crammed in one place shouting over each other. Adding text chat alongside the voice chat would make recruiting for groups, guilds, and trading far easier. Look at how Warframe's text chat works. It's a lovely and simple format. You can introduce that on console and so much of the communication on the game will be so much easier.

Totally agree! I don't use my mic; for reasons like you stated, but mainly personal preference. It's near impossible to sell items, when not in a guild with a guild store, or invite/join anyone.

Even if you use your mic you have to fight your way through the hoard of voices to get heard. Add a text feature, maybe a pop-up window you can enable. Especially while in town.

This. I struggle to get a group in Cyrodiil from my own guild because it's hard to be heard above constant instructions and reports. I can't believe how they can ignore the multitude of problems the absence of this one simple feature has caused.

Go ahead, remain silent and bury your head in the sand ZOS. I don't think that'll work out very well for any of us. But like many others I'm rather sick of wasting my time logging into the game each day, just to be frustrated and annoyed at the situation. I love many other aspects of the game, but I still expect to be able to enjoy them and your lack of a basic and much needed communication system severely hinders that.

I really wanted to love this game, but the lack of text chat becomes increasingly frustrating the longer I play it. Now I just log in long enough to do my crafting writs and train my horse. There are things I enjoy about ESO, but the lack of text chat has become an exercise in frustration and hinders my ability to enjoy it as an mmorpg.

mrskinskull · August 2015

No

Ishta wrote: »

Rimmsa wrote: »

GuyNamedSean wrote: »

Voice chat is lovely but anyone who's been through Riften on Xbox knows that it's overwhelming with twenty to thirty people crammed in one place shouting over each other. Adding text chat alongside the voice chat would make recruiting for groups, guilds, and trading far easier. Look at how Warframe's text chat works. It's a lovely and simple format. You can introduce that on console and so much of the communication on the game will be so much easier.

Totally agree! I don't use my mic; for reasons like you stated, but mainly personal preference. It's near impossible to sell items, when not in a guild with a guild store, or invite/join anyone.

Even if you use your mic you have to fight your way through the hoard of voices to get heard. Add a text feature, maybe a pop-up window you can enable. Especially while in town.

This. I struggle to get a group in Cyrodiil from my own guild because it's hard to be heard above constant instructions and reports. I can't believe how they can ignore the multitude of problems the absence of this one simple feature has caused.

Go ahead, remain silent and bury your head in the sand ZOS. I don't think that'll work out very well for any of us. But like many others I'm rather sick of wasting my time logging into the game each day, just to be frustrated and annoyed at the situation. I love many other aspects of the game, but I still expect to be able to enjoy them and your lack of a basic and much needed communication system severely hinders that.

Lol I guess that's why PvP is so empty, huh?

I guess because of a lack of text chat every single player packed up and left.

All that lag is just the wind blowing around empty battlefields and barren castles, huh?

Maybe if your guild is giving you orders in PvP, you should be listening.

Speak up or take some of your buddies to guild chat 3 or switch to group chat.

There are plenty of options for soft voiced 'warriors' or timid 'berserkers'.
Best of luck.

bareheiny · August 2015

Yes

mrskinskull wrote: »

Some people have the disposable income for a PlayStation 4, ESO game disc and PS plus and monthly internet connection fees but chafe at the idea of a smart phone?
Shame!

Good try tho.

Who said anything about chafing at the idea of a smart phone?

For all you know my PS4 was a gift, and I have a crappy paper delivery job that covers PS plus. Maybe I still use an old Nokia non-smart phone, and internet is covered as part of my board / rent.

Or maybe it's just that the exclusion argument that chafes. Don't argue that group X would be excluded from something so the solution is to ABC, when that solution excludes group Z.

BigMac_Smiley · August 2015

Yes

mrskinskull wrote: »

I would like to see a text chat app soon.
Its really selfish of some people to try to force an outdated mode of text chat on such a progressive game. Why should players who have to work or travel be left out of text chat?
Shame!

Where you come up with this stuff I will never know.

Would you not say it is selfish to prevent people from having text chat. Now you might be saying, "why should I have to be focused to look at text on my screen or communicate with others through typing. Forcing text on me is selfish." But the truth is no one is forcing text chat on anyone. The text chat box would be able to turn of, to the point where you would not even know it was there. Voice chat is not going anywhere and you could continue to enjoy talking to people in game forgetting text ever existed. You would never have to look at it or type, so how is that being selfish. To deny enter of a feature that you could ignore and would benefit other is selfish. And yes I think ZOS is being selfish. They should just admit they made a mistake and add text chat.

Paneross · August 2015

Yes

yes

Neirymn · August 2015

Yes

An app for text chat is just ridiculous, why should I bother text chating on a second screen as I can already do it via forums or PSN. Same thing goes with voice chat, I can use party chat but oh, wait, I can also use an in game voice chat system, but no, NOOOOOO, I don't want an optional text chat addition to the game, that's not fair, boooo. And that's us, poor lads who want to text chat in game in peace, the selfish ones.

Sheogorath, my Lord, are you done playing with your puppets?

Besides, in my opinion, an app for a MMORPG is meant to be used to do things you CAN do in game but when you're AWAY from the game, there is not point in having to use a controller and a phone to play. -_- I heard somewhere it is hard to use a keyboard along side a controller but not with a phone? lol

Kleptobrainiac · August 2015

No

I think customizable chat bubbles will be more than sufficient for anyone who thinks text chat is necessary.

I heard they are working on that so you guys now can claim a hard fought victory.

Grats guys! Upgraded text chat is on the way.

NewBlacksmurf · August 2015

No

Drake_Fury wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Everyone has their opinions...

there is what we hear from the developers...

And then there is what was offered so excuse me if I support the game as is and if I did A LOT of research including playing closed BETa and keeping a thread going for months with console specific updates to inform the forum community of what's to come.

The features like text chat are nothing but a feature. If for anyone it's a deal breaker then it's that gamers responsibility to check and see if such a feature exists prior to making a purchase. The results of people leaving due to a feature that was assumed to be on console soley because it's on PC or because that's what they assumed would be on console isn't a reason for the company to change their development plans.

We as customers are responsible for informing ourselves on any purchase prior. If we don't then we will have to deal with the consequences.

Now regarding text chat box on console...for those who have actually watched the episodes and also who were apart of the console closed BETA, they fully understand if they chose to participate in the console beta forums.

For anyone who didn't have the experience there were and are many different articles showing and explaining features specific to each console prior to release and after release.

I don't fault anyone for making suggestions or having feedback. The issue here largely is that after statements from the DeVs have been made people are arguing with others who are in support of what the DeVs shared publicly.
If they want the DeVs to change their minds...O k there are constructive ways to do so but that's not what's going on in this thread.

Pages and pages of me particularly attempting to avoid arguments, threats, name calling, trolling, baiting, etc all because someone is upset with a misinformed decision they've made.
It's not O K to lash out at others who actually like the game experience without text chat. It's O K to desire to keep a game absent of the flooding of what always comes with in-game text chat. We all have identified or expressed discontent with in-game features that are driving a lot of the comments to have a text chat box but ultimately another form of communication on the screen isn't something I want to see and others also feel the same.

It's very odd that people cannot seem to accept a developers decision and adjust accordingly.
Game after game forums and social media become filled with complaints which largely are resolved by just not buying the product.

We won't see eye to eye on this and if this one topic somehow concludes that something is wrong with my thinking so be it.
If the DeVs decide to change the game, two things happen for me...either I join PTS and give feedback in the forums where they ask for it or I take a few months off until things change to my liking.

When people start suggesting off the wall things like people again "them" having text chat don't want ....deaf ppl, handicap ppl, ppl with broken mics, ....whatever else I skipped or whoever else not to enjoy the game that's what gets under my skin.

Here is the thing....not never has a text chat box been considered so for whatever reason in people's heads they are drawing an idea that I'm trying to change or limit their gaming experience is a very very sad and concerning position.

If this were a ZOS feedback thread where ZOS asked for our feedback to add it then that's different.
They aren't asking, aren't considering and have not desired any feedback on this at all.

The larger issue tho is it's not here because of the reasons they shared on ESO live. None of those reasons are what ppl are arguing about so it's a lot of comments and no one willing to even listen to inform themselves.

I'm very invested into this game so pardon me if I feel that being in support of the DeVs matters vs filling the forums with stabs and feature requests that further delay much needed projects.

I'm going to start this by quoting a Mod. He put this message after moderating some posts, back on page 23-ish, please take note of the bolded part.

ZOS_MatM wrote: »

Hi Everyone,

This thread has been edited and some posts removed. Please keep this thread on topic and respect other people’s opinions. Use the report feature if you feel someone is breaking forum rules instead of replying to post. Let's keep this discussion civil to prevent this thread from being locked as there are some great points being discussed.

Thank you.

Something in that post tells me that this thread did not fall into deaf ears (or should I say blind eyes?). They specifically encourage us to keep the discussion going, even saying that "there are some great points being discussed". It is also important to note that they have redirected other threads about text chat to this particular thread to consolidate discussion, so even though the thread title still mentions that it's about it coming to IC, this thread pretty much became the consolidated console text chat discussion. So, to everyone who does, please stop saying the thread is useless.

That being said, I want to talk about the business model of an mmorpg, since some people still don't seem to understand how it works.

There are 3 business models for mmorpgs, the first one is the subscription model, also known as P2P (pay to play). This model is simple. You pay for the game, then you pay a monthly subscription fee. There is no cash shop, everything you can get, you can get ingame. This is the best model for a company as longas they can keep their player base large enough to have a huge income from subscriptions. This results in frequent patches, updates and Expansions because of theregular flow of money. WoW, Everquest, FFXI and FFXIV are good examples.

The second model is the one we have in ESO, known as B2P (buy to play). This system consists in using the sales of the retail to finance the first 1 or 2 DLCs, and use a cash shop with minor boosts that players can buy to increase effectiveness or estethics (exp scrolls, mounts, etc.). This model also brings in paid updates. If you want to have access to the big patches, you need to buy them as DLC. This is a backup model. Companies will often go with this if they think players won't stay if you charge them monthly, or if you're pushed by microsoft because they don't want subscription games on their console (Which is why FFXIV never went on xbox). If your game is good enough to keep their players, it is a very solid model.

The last model is the one the companies don't want to have to embrace, the F2P (Free to play), also known as the P2W (pay to win) model. This model consists of only microtransactions, and more often than not, you can buy significant upgrades with real money, even making using real money more efficient than anything you do ingame to get your equipement. It is a model where the devs wait until they got enough money from the cash shop to use it to develop more DLCs, resulting in updates coming always slower with the player base slowly leaving.

Whatever the model the company decides to use, 1 thing remains the same: If you lose players, you lose money. If you lose money, your updates get slower, if your updates get slower, you lose more people, and it's a downward spiral. In this, the mmorpg market looks a lot like politics. Every MMO will try to bring something new to the table in order to catch the attention of the players to their game. The player, who rarely plays multiple mmorpgs at the same time, will generally choose one and stick with it for a few months to a few years (I stayed on FFXI for 7 years). The goal of the company is not only to bring people to their game, but also, and more importantly, keep them.

If you don't see the numbers decreasing on ESO, you're burying your head in the sand very deeply. Of course, text is not the only reason for this. The markets are one, the fact that you have to go through many solo quests to unlock areas is another, the fact that the group finder is not used due to the problems it brings, and other stuff.

I don't say that text chat would save ESO. But I know that it would make some of the things that makes people leave more manageable. Some people will leave anyways, but I'm sure it wouldn't be as bad as it aleready is. I've made a few good friends since I play ESO, and I aleready see them leave for different reasons. I like the game and I don't want to see it crash, but it's appearent that it's heading that way at this point. We'll see how many players will come back with IC, but seeing how many left, I doubt that the number will be big. Many people left while they were not even in the Veteran levels, so VR15-16 content is still pretty far for them.

By saying "They can get text in another game", you're not helping ZoS, you're actually hindering them. The average mmo player, the one who will stay on a mmo for more than 2 years, expects some things. Text chat is one of them. By trying to make an mmo game without the basic mmo communication feature is saying: "Let's try to cater to those who don't normally play mmorpgs". This is a mistake. That player base is not the player base who will stick with a video game for over 2 years. They are the player base who will go play the next big game that interests them, and the next one, and the next one, until they stop buying DLCs.

The income of the retail game will cover the developpement costs of making the launch version of the game as well as that of the first and maybe second DLC. All the rest of the money will come from the cash shop and from selling DLCs, so you guys better hope the player hemorragy stops soon or you will all soon realise that a DLC every 3 months can quickly change to a DLC every 6 months, every year, or no more DLC at all...

After reading all of your comments I'm left with concern. I also see you're applying an invalid opinion from one statement vs going back and reading the discussion at least from my comments.

My opinion of they can go play another game with text chat is a reality which comes due to the offerings of this game on console. It may run you wrong but my goal isn't to help ZOS market or grow their game or to be influenced by any business model that customers have attempted to attach to games.

The game is a game which like most console games can be purchased to play online. That's the business side short and simple.

The text chat box is a feature that some games offer while this one does not. Short and simple.

Any arguments that suggest one feature will have an influential impact on the games bottom line is in this case false as those who are giving comments and feedback have already purchased the game which is how they've gained forum access.

Games live and die based on how a companies strategy evolves and changes within their targeted market.
People will leave due to absense of features, loss in interest or just because there is a new game but none of that signifies ZOS is doing something wrong. It's a consumer choice ...that's simple.

Your perspective differs from mine and other players who don't have a problem with the games current forms of communication.
Your comments as well as most others in this thread are pointing towards in-game features and player interactions that could use change or focus but these ideas don't require another form of communication to be added to rectify those concerns.

On PC people are using the form of communication to work around obstacles on that platform. On console people (some) are working around those same obstacles using the forms of communication that each console offers.
The arguments that suggest text chat box is a way to rectify a poorly functioning feature is an opinion and only an opinion that has no financial influence.

Short and simple...if you go buy a car or a game and don't fully understand the functions and features you will have buyers remorse. Some come back and complain while others deal with that differently. In this case the manufacturer or developer has shared their ideas and reasons for text chat not to be in the game. The decision now is keep playing or move on as their feedback was given.

I do think the feedback is better if its on topic with the information shared from the developer so as to have a productive dialogue on topic vs a complaint thread. That's it...if your taking anything else different from what's I've shared then it's a misinterpretation. None of my comments have been moderated so it's respectful and in a discussion format vs arguing.

Hope that helps if my points of view were not clear in what you quoted.

Paazhahdrimaak · August 2015

Yes

Like plug in a key board and type in place of voice area chat? I can't process 10-20 voices in area chat I would loveto use a keyboard on my Xbox

bareheiny · August 2015

Yes

Kleptobrainiac wrote: »

I think customizable chat bubbles will be more than sufficient for anyone who thinks text chat is necessary.

I heard they are working on that so you guys now can claim a hard fought victory.

Grats guys! Upgraded text chat is on the way.

Wait....what?

NewBlacksmurf · August 2015

No

bareheiny wrote: »

Kleptobrainiac wrote: »

I think customizable chat bubbles will be more than sufficient for anyone who thinks text chat is necessary.

I heard they are working on that so you guys now can claim a hard fought victory.

Grats guys! Upgraded text chat is on the way.

Wait....what?

It's on the videos in my sig...they heard the feedback and were willing to add more possibilities there

bareheiny · August 2015

Yes

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

It's on the videos in my sig...they heard the feedback and were willing to add more possibilities there

Bah...I don't like watching videos for information, I prefer reading.

<_< >_> I don't suppose there's a transcription of the video anywhere?