PvP Changes

Azalin76 · August 2015

If they are lowering shield amounts by 50% but also lowering damage done by 50% won't that pretty much be no difference at all? Not sure if I'm understanding this correctly.

Lenikus · August 2015

shield strength is based off damage ;3

Forestd16b14_ESO · August 2015

I don't even know if ZoS really did nerf shields at all cause pleanty of Sorcs are still able to "Stack" 5 or 6 shields in 1 or 2 seconds still covering there entire health bar and still tank 5 or 6 guys at once.

Azalin76 · August 2015

Shield strength is based off max magicka not spell damage. So that really doesn't solve much.

Wyldman · August 2015

I would very much like to see some substantial changes in PvP, it is very broken, unfair and biased in this game. I PvP almost every single day and while I love it (is so addictive) I also recognize that it really needs a lot of work.

It is way too easy to "boost" in PvP and sadly quite a large number of people do it. While many do get banned over it when they are reported it is hard to catch them and still way out of hand. I am no computer genius but I am sure there has to be a way that they can make it much harder to boost. I would think that if they made it where you could not have 2 characters in different alliances on the same server would be a great start.

Secondly, you have the PC transfers who came over with 3000 Champion Points and everything they had in the original PC version and these guys are impossible to beat unless you gang them 10-1 and even with those odds, it is a very tough fight. I think Zenimax made a HUGE mistake allowing the PC transfers. They pretty much showed great bias in that decision and guaranteed the PC transfers that THEY would be invulnerable "Gods" on console. I understand that they had to pay to transfer to console and but if Zenimax thinks that is okay then they should also agree it is ok to sell US some scroll or something to give us those 3000 Champion Points and even the odds. I am aware of all the boosting scrolls you can get on the crown store but they are not enough to catch-up with the transfers. I greatly respect a player who (solely on console) fairly builds them self up, knows how to make strong builds and kicks butt. But I have absolutely 0 respect for the "Guaranteed God" PC transfers and boosters as both gain a very unfair advantage over everyone else on console. Just my two cents but I know I am not alone as those are two of the biggest complaints you hear from console PvPrs.

Myself, I am sick to death of trying to PvP and some PC transfer (or legit player) going invisible and one-shotting me before I ever even get a chance to see him. What is worse is the PC ransfers on Lvl 20 charcaters destroying everyone in the path becase they DO have maxed-out champion point making that low level toon a God as well. Seriously, this is very broken. These guys are literally IMPOSSIBLE to fight ... it is ridiculous. IF someone is better than me in straight-up combat, fine. Kudos to them. But give me the chance to at least SEE him and engage before he one shots me with Magic Detonation or Imminent Detination or something similar. ALL these jerks do is sit in one spot (often in groups with other PC transfers) and repeatedly, over and over do that single same move. Seriously??? How can that be any fun for them? Is like playing a game with a God-Mode cheat and NO challenge at all. It damn sure isn't any fun for the rest of us. It is beyond ridiculous. Now, when I run into these guys I just leave until they are gone as it is absolutely pointless to try to fight and I am not going to keep running to them and trying to fight just to pad their stats for them. SMH IMO things like that will and are killing PvP in this game. So I seriously hope that Zenimax is addressing these issues in the update.

mrskinskull · August 2015

Shield stackers!!!!!!!!

DEATHquidox · August 2015

Wyldman wrote: »

I would very much like to see some substantial changes in PvP, it is very broken, unfair and biased in this game. I PvP almost every single day and while I love it (is so addictive) I also recognize that it really needs a lot of work.

It is way too easy to "boost" in PvP and sadly quite a large number of people do it. While many do get banned over it when they are reported it is hard to catch them and still way out of hand. I am no computer genius but I am sure there has to be a way that they can make it much harder to boost. I would think that if they made it where you could not have 2 characters in different alliances on the same server would be a great start.

Secondly, you have the PC transfers who came over with 3000 Champion Points and everything they had in the original PC version and these guys are impossible to beat unless you gang them 10-1 and even with those odds, it is a very tough fight. I think Zenimax made a HUGE mistake allowing the PC transfers. They pretty much showed great bias in that decision and guaranteed the PC transfers that THEY would be invulnerable "Gods" on console. I understand that they had to pay to transfer to console and but if Zenimax thinks that is okay then they should also agree it is ok to sell US some scroll or something to give us those 3000 Champion Points and even the odds. I am aware of all the boosting scrolls you can get on the crown store but they are not enough to catch-up with the transfers. I greatly respect a player who (solely on console) fairly builds them self up, knows how to make strong builds and kicks butt. But I have absolutely 0 respect for the "Guaranteed God" PC transfers and boosters as both gain a very unfair advantage over everyone else on console. Just my two cents but I know I am not alone as those are two of the biggest complaints you hear from console PvPrs.

Myself, I am sick to death of trying to PvP and some PC transfer (or legit player) going invisible and one-shotting me before I ever even get a chance to see him. What is worse is the PC ransfers on Lvl 20 charcaters destroying everyone in the path becase they DO have maxed-out champion point making that low level toon a God as well. Seriously, this is very broken. These guys are literally IMPOSSIBLE to fight ... it is ridiculous. IF someone is better than me in straight-up combat, fine. Kudos to them. But give me the chance to at least SEE him and engage before he one shots me with Magic Detonation or Imminent Detination or something similar. ALL these jerks do is sit in one spot (often in groups with other PC transfers) and repeatedly, over and over do that single same move. Seriously??? How can that be any fun for them? Is like playing a game with a God-Mode cheat and NO challenge at all. It damn sure isn't any fun for the rest of us. It is beyond ridiculous. Now, when I run into these guys I just leave until they are gone as it is absolutely pointless to try to fight and I am not going to keep running to them and trying to fight just to pad their stats for them. SMH IMO things like that will and are killing PvP in this game. So I seriously hope that Zenimax is addressing these issues in the update.

Pc players didnt "pay to have the game transfered, they payed 20$ for it thats it. Got the game to. Champ points, gear bank ect ext. All of it champ points. The whole shabang. Its saddening that its almost impossible to kill these guys

leepalmer95 · August 2015

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

I don't even know if ZoS really did nerf shields at all cause pleanty of Sorcs are still able to "Stack" 5 or 6 shields in 1 or 2 seconds still covering there entire health bar and still tank 5 or 6 guys at once.

Oh they stack 6 shields now, got to love these forums, first they had 20k hardened wards now they stack 5-6 shields...

Why do people make sorc's out to be gods?

AJ_1988 · August 2015

Sorcs generally have little physical resistance compared to spell. Sik a nightblade on em lol. The 3k champ points is an over statement but they still had a lot. One of the reasons the console version was delayed longer was so they could have the champion system fully implemented. With that being said they shoulda given console players extra cp when they first hit vet or not allowed the transfers to carry their cp over and have a period where they couldn't earn any. Yes they say they earned them and everything. That's true but if you didn't want to loose what you earnt stay on pc. Simple.

Dreizopf · August 2015

Wyldman wrote: »

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IF someone is better than me in straight-up combat, fine. Kudos to them. But give me the chance to at least SEE him and engage before he one shots me with Magic Detonation or Imminent Detination or something similar. ALL these jerks do is sit in one spot ... and repeatedly, over and over do that single same move. Seriously??? How can that be any fun for them? Is like playing a game with a God-Mode cheat and NO challenge at all.
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This!
Not being able to see who is 1-shoting you, not being able to react and fight, is no challenge, no L2P thing and is no fun.
It's only bad game design by Zenimax.

Btw, playing god-mode IS fun for some idiots. So Zenimax has to stop this!

13igTyme · August 2015

Don't forget they lowered healing 50% as well. So Yes they didn't actually do anything at all.

Spliffo · August 2015

Dreizopf wrote: »

Wyldman wrote: »

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IF someone is better than me in straight-up combat, fine. Kudos to them. But give me the chance to at least SEE him and engage before he one shots me with Magic Detonation or Imminent Detination or something similar. ALL these jerks do is sit in one spot ... and repeatedly, over and over do that single same move. Seriously??? How can that be any fun for them? Is like playing a game with a God-Mode cheat and NO challenge at all.
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[/quoThis!
Not being able to see who is 1-shoting you, not being able to react and fight, is no challenge, no L2P thing and is no fun.
It's only bad game design by Zenimax.

Btw, playing god-mode IS fun for some idiots. So Zenimax has to stop this!

Umm hate to say this bro but L2P

When you see the big red ring around you or hear the snipe coming try blocking

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO · August 2015

[quote="Wyldman;2176858"
Secondly, you have the PC transfers who came over with 3000 Champion Points and everything they had in the original PC version and these guys are impossible to beat unless you gang them 10-1 and even with those odds, it is a very tough fight. I think Zenimax made a HUGE mistake allowing the PC transfers. They pretty much showed great bias in that decision and guaranteed the PC transfers that THEY would be invulnerable "Gods" on console. I understand that they had to pay to transfer to console and but if Zenimax thinks that is okay then they should also agree it is ok to sell US some scroll or something to give us those 3000 Champion Points and even the odds. I am aware of all the boosting scrolls you can get on the crown store but they are not enough to catch-up with the transfers. I greatly respect a player who (solely on console) fairly builds them self up, knows how to make strong builds and kicks butt. But I have absolutely 0 respect for the "Guaranteed God" PC transfers and boosters as both gain a very unfair advantage over everyone else on console. Just my two cents but I know I am not alone as those are two of the biggest complaints you hear from console PvPrs.
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3000 Champion pts.. LOL... OMG are you serious.. ROFL... the Highest CP person on PC was told to us by Rich Lambert was 1650 CP .. and like 35+ people with 600+ CP like a week or so ago..

Sorry.. I couldn't help to laugh at that, Yes I am one of those PC transfers.. and I had like 180 CP when I was brought over and Yes I am VR14 (Nightblade) and Yes I have Legendary set Items that I crafted (I have a dedicated crafter) and Yes I have all my horse upgrades and Yes I had like a Million in Gold in the Bank, earned by stealing by the way and fighting Tamriel's Monsters...and you know what?? I still got killed plenty of times to groups and enemies in PvP..

And I never took over the economy, others did that..

It's not my Fault ZOS decided to allow PC transfers..

21jws10 · August 2015

I don't see why everyone is so frustrated about the PC players coming to console. I think the main motivation behind it is because they may be bad at PC PvP, so for the time being they will have this little head start, but eventually console players will catch up I assume. Plus you don't have your precious addons. (I am a console player).

Console PvP can be very bland, lots of boring playstyles (Snipe Spam), though I don't see that many sorcs, the only times when I know one is there is when the ultimates are being used (Maybe I'm too busy looking after my own survival) but yeah, the sorcs seem pretty diverse. NB is by FAR the most popular class, then I reckon DK, then Sorc, then Templar.

olsborg · August 2015

Current battlespirit reduces dmg by 20% and shields by 15%, on PTS they are both set to 50% so its effectively a nerf to shields by 5%.

And I think someone has missunderstood the term "Shieldstacking". This doesnt mean you stack say, Dampen Magicka 5 times on yourself resulting in 5 shields active. No, each shield can only be active one at a time...sure you can refresh it, but you cant stack it. However, 2 different shields like Dampen Magicka and Healing Ward will stack with eachother, so you can...stack Dampen Magicka over Healing Ward and then over Hardened Ward or Blazing Shield etc... Resulting in 3 different shields active on your character at once.

Winterpsy · August 2015

Noobish question: How do you know how many CPs a person has?

Leandor · August 2015

Wyldman wrote: »

Secondly, you have the PC transfers who came over with 3000 Champion Points

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha *deep breath* Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Stopped caring about anything said after seeing that one.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO · August 2015

Winterpsy wrote: »

Noobish question: How do you know how many CPs a person has?

They don't have a system for that instituted, you can also turn off you AVA rank (alliance war rank) but I don't even know if you can see that when it comes to enemies...

LadyDestiny · August 2015

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

[quote="Wyldman;2176858"
Secondly, you have the PC transfers who came over with 3000 Champion Points and everything they had in the original PC version and these guys are impossible to beat unless you gang them 10-1 and even with those odds, it is a very tough fight. I think Zenimax made a HUGE mistake allowing the PC transfers. They pretty much showed great bias in that decision and guaranteed the PC transfers that THEY would be invulnerable "Gods" on console. I understand that they had to pay to transfer to console and but if Zenimax thinks that is okay then they should also agree it is ok to sell US some scroll or something to give us those 3000 Champion Points and even the odds. I am aware of all the boosting scrolls you can get on the crown store but they are not enough to catch-up with the transfers. I greatly respect a player who (solely on console) fairly builds them self up, knows how to make strong builds and kicks butt. But I have absolutely 0 respect for the "Guaranteed God" PC transfers and boosters as both gain a very unfair advantage over everyone else on console. Just my two cents but I know I am not alone as those are two of the biggest complaints you hear from console PvPrs.

3000 Champion pts.. LOL... OMG are you serious.. ROFL... the Highest CP person on PC was told to us by Rich Lambert was 1650 CP .. and like 35+ people with 600+ CP like a week or so ago..

Sorry.. I couldn't help to laugh at that, Yes I am one of those PC transfers.. and I had like 180 CP when I was brought over and Yes I am VR14 (Nightblade) and Yes I have Legendary set Items that I crafted (I have a dedicated crafter) and Yes I have all my horse upgrades and Yes I had like a Million in Gold in the Bank, earned by stealing by the way and fighting Tamriel's Monsters...and you know what?? I still got killed plenty of times to groups and enemies in PvP..

And I never took over the economy, others did that..

It's not my Fault ZOS decided to allow PC transfers..[/quote]

@whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO I lol'd at the 3000 cp's as well. Same here. Transfered from pc so automatically considered a bad guy. Funny thing is, when that happened I only had 70 pts on my VR14. As of now I have 150. My son who started fresh on console has caught up to me. Not everyone who transfered has used this to their advantage. There are plenty of transfers out there that are still sitting on lower cp's. True, there are some that have nothing better to do but drink potions and grind 24/7 but honestly, I could care less. Guess I am not so concerned about what some stranger is doing in his game that he payed for. As far as traders go, I don't abuse that either. I moved over with my husband and never joined any pre made trading guilds planning to take over the economy. I belong to two trading and one pvp guld, and sell enough to maintain enough gold to keep going in the game. I have no desire to rip off people. I have my mount upgrades and all crafters but so what? I been spending my time actually grinding some lower classes out. Have not even used one psyjic potion yet. So.....don't judge all of us. Remember this though, there will always be someone who is better than you......

Azalin76 · August 2015

Not every pc transfer has a ton on cp, I transferred from pc and only have around 90 total and don't grind for them, I may have a slight advantage in pve but I still get 2 shotted in pvp like everyone else.

TequilaFire · August 2015

3000 CPs? Bwahahahahaha
I paid for console and was delayed for a year, not my fault so I played on PC.
What we do have is experience just like we would of had if we had played on console for the same year.
I have a grand total of 218 CP, whoop de doo!

Winterpsy · August 2015

I actually like that some characters are just tougher than others, be it their skill, CPs, gear, lvl whatever.

It brings some risk to the table, feels more realistic. You simply cant tell from the looks how good of a fighter you've ran into.
In every action / fantasy whatever movie there are those heroes who can wade through a lot unscratched. I understand most everyone wishes to be that hero.

Bringing everyone to equal terms would take away this unpredictability. For me that'd be a loss.

Some players need more than one to take down. Consider these "bosses".

Getting 1 shotted is a whole different matter but that will be sorted out with the upcoming patch.

xxMcKev · August 2015

The only thing they need to change is to move all these PC transfers over to there own server. Ridiculous that one person can clear 5 to 6 or use. All Vets. That's just sad.

Winterpsy · August 2015

Eventually players who will purchase this game next year will have the same probs with you.

And they will open the same topics here on the forum.

And the ones who come a year later, will bash them all.

And people will demand new servers for those whom they deam OP.

And I still dont know how can you tell if that was the CPs or something entirely different that makes certain characters seemingly impossible to take down.

CPs are easy to blame for one's demise on the bloody fields of Cyrodil.

But things change slowly. And some things dont change at all. Instead of bashing CPs I adapt. Learn to get away, live with the death of my character, avoid certain "battlefield heros". Our perception matters a lot in our enjoyment.

(Playing on PS4, never played on PC, have 60ish CPs )

Reb · August 2015

Wyldman wrote: »

Secondly, you have the PC transfers who came over with 3000 Champion Points and everything they had in the original PC version and these guys are impossible to beat unless you gang them 10-1 and even with those odds, it is a very tough fight. I think Zenimax made a HUGE mistake allowing the PC transfers. They pretty much showed great bias in that decision and guaranteed the PC transfers that THEY would be invulnerable "Gods" on console.

wow ...you really don't have a clue ...absolutely nobody came to console with that amount of CP, no one has that amount on PC either.
Some people are just much better in cyrodil than others, better reactions or better understanding of the combat systems (and some bug exploiters but that's a whole different discussion)

NephilimHero · August 2015

Where are these 5-6 shields I can stack I know of three and even then I'm compromising some utility. Also pc transfers aren't gods I kill them all the time and I'm currently vr11

Flaminir · August 2015

NephilimHero wrote: »

Where are these 5-6 shields I can stack I know of three and even then I'm compromising some utility. Also pc transfers aren't gods I kill them all the time and I'm currently vr11

I know....

All of a sudden I felt very inadequate reading the stuff in this thread.... Sorcs with 6 shields & 3000 CP that can have 6 players all beating on them at once & not dieing...

Then I remembered all that was the usual forum BS / hyperbole and went and ate a sweetroll!

willymchilybily · August 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

I don't even know if ZoS really did nerf shields at all cause pleanty of Sorcs are still able to "Stack" 5 or 6 shields in 1 or 2 seconds still covering there entire health bar and still tank 5 or 6 guys at once.

Oh they stack 6 shields now, got to love these forums, first they had 20k hardened wards now they stack 5-6 shields...

Why do people make sorc's out to be gods?

to be honest i thought this till i looked at sorcs abilities. i was like why does stamina dodge roll now have a re-use increase in cost, then i saw bolt escape did too.

i think its more i have never played one so i cant compare, but i have died to them, and at the time they do seem a hard nut to crack. if only hardened ward reduced CC imunity cool down.

Then id be happy for you to pop it all day long.

i do think their resource management is easier you really only manage one resource for the best damage, movement, and shields.

EDIT: One thing i would Add- I'd rather the morph of defensive posture to defensive stance to reflect 2 single target spells. just for those who weave a light attack in between their crystal frags and animation cancel i think it would make this morph a bit more useful as i can be dead before the reflect/stun kicks in. id even take a reduced timer on it. but might make it a bit OP i suppose?

Dahkoht · August 2015

Where do I get these 3000 champion points ?

I've been missing something..........

Sithisvoid · August 2015

If you got 6 ppl who can't beat down a sorc shield my suggestion is find new ppl to play with

Robbmrp · August 2015

Azalin76 wrote: »

If they are lowering shield amounts by 50% but also lowering damage done by 50% won't that pretty much be no difference at all? Not sure if I'm understanding this correctly.

I agree, I don't see how the changes being made are going to change shield stacking one bit. Those that already do it, will still be unkillable after the patch.