Does anyone know what's going to happen with the race change ordeal?
Well since I got the game on console I've wanted a race change but I don't what the producers are going to do. I've heard rumors but I want to hear what everyone or anyone knows. Thanks for your time 
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✭✭✭✭I am hoping for no.
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SedoUmbra✭✭✭newtinmpls wrote: »I am hoping for no.
So am I.Heartless-Zaire wrote: »why?
I hope for a no because it will ruin the game (IMO)
For starters, it crucifies immersion taking the 'RP' out of 'RPG'. Secondly, too many players would exploit it. *Gets bow to level 50 as Bosmer, changes to Argonian and works on Resto Staff*1 -
GuyNamedSean✭✭✭✭I agree with the no. If you want to do something different, make a new character.Former Guildmaster of the Legion of Mournhold
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I hope for a no because it will ruin the game (IMO)
For starters, it crucifies immersion taking the 'RP' out of 'RPG'. Secondly, too many players would exploit it. *Gets bow to level 50 as Bosmer, changes to Argonian and works on Resto Staff*
Which would cost them the race change and the skill reset and would be more costly than is worth for that small bonus to leveling skills.
As for the Role-playing aspect - Who cares? You? So don't do it. Your right to Role-play doesn't trump the right for someone to change their race.2 -
Allyhoo811✭✭✭The official information that I remember hearing (maybe in a previous ESO Live, can't remember exactly where it was now)basically implied that a race change option was not off the table, but it most likely wouldn't happen until the developers have all the races where they want them in terms of balance (i.e., probably not soon).
If it is implemented, no one knows what it would look like. Some people have suggested that it might be a crown store option. Others guessed that the devs might offer a one time race change option to "fix" characters whose racial passives have changed drastically since launch and are now more suited for different roles.
I am personally against race change abilities (and also class change/alliance change options), because I think that some choices in an MMO should be permanent. Call me "old school" if you want, but I think some decisions should actually matter. I'm am not someone who supports "flavor-of-the-month" builds, and I think that any of the "change" options just contributes to this problem.
That aside, I could support very limited access to change things like race/class/etc. For example (as mentioned above), if the developers were to drastically alter racial passives or class abilities to be far different from what they were originally, I would support a one-time race/class change given to everyone. I could also get behind a race/class change ability once every 6 months to a year. Anything more than that I see as excessive and/or a cash grab on ZOS's part. As far as an alliance change, I think that, if allowed, it should only happen once after a character has completed Cadwell's Gold (and from a lore perspective seen every alliance).
All of the above is just my opinion and ZOS is, of course, under no obligation to follow it. They will ultimately do what they feel is best for the health of the game and the company's bottom line.Edited by Allyhoo811 on August 23, 2015 2:23AM1 -
Allyhoo811 wrote: »The official information that I remember hearing (maybe in a previous ESO Live, can't remember exactly where it was now)basically implied that a race change option was not off the table, but it most likely wouldn't happen until the developers have all the races where they want them in terms of balance (i.e., probably not soon).
If it is implemented, no one knows what it would look like. Some people have suggested that it might be a crown store option. Others guessed that the devs might offer a one time race change option to "fix" characters whose racial passives have changed drastically since launch and are now more suited for different roles.
I am personally against race change abilities (and also class change/alliance change options), because I think that some choices in an MMO should be permanent. Call me "old school" if you want, but I think some decisions should actually matter. I'm am not someone who supports "flavor-of-the-month" builds, and I think that any of the "change" options just contributes to this problem.
That aside, I could support very limited access to change things like race/class/etc. For example (as mentioned above), if the developers were to drastically alter racial passives or class abilities to be far different from what they were originally, I would support a one-time race/class change given to everyone. I could also get behind a race/class change ability once every 6 months to a year. Anything more than that I see as excessive and/or a cash grab on ZOS's part. As far as an alliance change, I think that, if allowed, it should only happen once after a character has completed Cadwell's Gold (and from a lore perspective seen every alliance).
All of the above is just my opinion and ZOS is, of course, under no obligation to follow it. They will ultimately do what they feel is best for the health of the game and the company's bottom line.
I agree with you "I would support a one-time race/class change given to everyone" here but I am a firm believer that many have made mistakes with races and don't have the time ,or the motivation, to make an alt just because of a race because of this a one time race change should definitely be on the table btw are you a nightblade?0 -
Allyhoo811✭✭✭Heartless-Zaire wrote: »I agree with you "I would support a one-time race/class change given to everyone" here but I am a firm believer that many have made mistakes with races and don't have the time ,or the motivation, to make an alt just because of a race because of this a one time race change should definitely be on the table btw are you a nightblade?
I have tried a Nightblade, but the playstyle was not my cup of tea. At this point, I really only play my Templar healer.
I can see your point of view about people not having the time or motivation to start a high level character over simply because of their race choice, and I am somewhat sympathetic toward that (especially in cases where the developers have hurt racial passives with their design decisions, i.e. Argonians) -- Which is why I said I would support a one-time race change option or even a paid race change option available once every year (or once every six months).
On the other hand, I do not believe that the choice of race in ESO makes a huge difference to anyone's ability to be successful at endgame (except for extreme min/max'ers running timed/leaderboard content, and these folks typically have time and motivation to start over). There are so many ways to compensate for everything your race choice may have lacked. Because of this, I firmly believe that any ability to change race should be extremely limited (if allowed) and not just a "transform me to the current 'flavor of the month'" button.
Edited by Allyhoo811 on August 23, 2015 6:59PM0 -
If you want a new race, make a new character. Shouldn't be able to change race just cause you want to try a different one on the same character. Totally breaks immersionMageLife0 -
eNumbra✭✭✭✭✭MerlinGambino wrote: »Totally breaks immersion
Explain how it breaks immersion. I want you to actually explain this empty talking point that people keep parroting in argument against race change; and after you're done explaining how it breaks immersion, explain why it matters.2 -
CidxLucy✭✭newtinmpls wrote: »I am hoping for no.
So am I.Heartless-Zaire wrote: »why?
I hope for a no because it will ruin the game (IMO)
For starters, it crucifies immersion taking the 'RP' out of 'RPG'. Secondly, too many players would exploit it. *Gets bow to level 50 as Bosmer, changes to Argonian and works on Resto Staff*[/qMerlinGambino wrote: »If you want a new race, make a new character. Shouldn't be able to change race just cause you want to try a different one on the same character. Totally breaks immersion
Alot of MMO let you so would eso not? I was thinking of making new character into I got on my horse and remember how slow they can be I not giving up my all 60 which I had put money into to get them higher faster just so I can play a nb I will stay dk into it let me reset my class and race.0 -
OzJohnD✭✭✭✭MerlinGambino wrote: »Totally breaks immersion
Immersion ... sorry that is an urban myth
especially on a console when all your toons are named as the console log-in ID xxXIRulzYouXxx ... or worse
Immersion is what an individual makes of it, not how others impose their views on others
Race changes WILL happen if ZO thinks it can make a profit from it.
Edited by OzJohnD on August 24, 2015 11:35PMEveryone knows the phenomenon of trying to hold your breath underwater - how at first it's alright and you can handle it, and then as it gets closer and closer to the time when you must breathe, how urgent the need becomes, the lust and the hunger to breathe. And then the panic sets in when you begin to think that you won't be able to breathe - and finally, when you take in air and the anxiety subsides...that's what it's like to be a vampire and need blood.
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You quoted the wrong person.MerlinGambino wrote: »Totally breaks immersion
Explain how it breaks immersion. I want you to actually explain this empty talking point that people keep parroting in argument against race change; and after you're done explaining how it breaks immersion, explain why it matters.
Immersion ... sorry that is an urban myth
especially on a console when all your toons are named as the console log-in ID xxXIRulzYouXxx ... or worse
Immersion is what an individual makes of it, not how others impose their views on others
Race changes WILL happen if ZO thinks it can make a profit from it.
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yep thanks --- edited to fix
Everyone knows the phenomenon of trying to hold your breath underwater - how at first it's alright and you can handle it, and then as it gets closer and closer to the time when you must breathe, how urgent the need becomes, the lust and the hunger to breathe. And then the panic sets in when you begin to think that you won't be able to breathe - and finally, when you take in air and the anxiety subsides...that's what it's like to be a vampire and need blood.
Francis Ford Coppola - BS Dracula: The Film and the Legend0 -
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✭you want immersion ruining, what about all the skeletons just wandering around town and no one giving a damn or big bad orcs that sound like they are 10 years old? immersion is just a myth in this game just like what OzJohnD said.PS4 NA
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✭newtinmpls wrote: »I am hoping for no.
So am I.Heartless-Zaire wrote: »why?
I hope for a no because it will ruin the game (IMO)
For starters, it crucifies immersion taking the 'RP' out of 'RPG'. Secondly, too many players would exploit it. *Gets bow to level 50 as Bosmer, changes to Argonian and works on Resto Staff*
You think people would pay for a race change with actual money, only to level one of many weapons skill lines 15% faster lol? Did you just buy the game or something? That's the fricken' fluff racial passive no one cares about, when picking race.
Heard of training traits on weapon and armor?
Only "immersion" breaking thing about race changes, is the issues related to meta. Where everyone would change to the same race for best synergy with current top builds. That would look a bit dull, when running around in towns.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭u want immersion, go drown in a lake. so tired of this imposed crap. go play skyrim, alone,very very very far away, in the woods.1