Are Champion Points ruining PVP?

Valn · August 2015

,I want to know the majority if people think whether or not CP is ruining PVP

Enemy-of-Coldharbour · August 2015

No

What is ruining PVP is the imbalance issues due to 'nerf this-nerf that'.

starkerealm · August 2015

No

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

What is ruining PVP is the imbalance issues due to 'nerf this-nerf that'.

Also netcode.

DaveMoeDee · August 2015

And repetitive polls

Valn · August 2015

Yes

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

What is ruining PVP is the imbalance issues due to 'nerf this-nerf that'.

So champion points have no affect on the balance?

starkerealm · August 2015

No

Valn wrote: »

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

What is ruining PVP is the imbalance issues due to 'nerf this-nerf that'.

So champion points have no affect on the balance?

In comparison? Nope.

Valn · August 2015

Yes

starkerealm wrote: »

Valn wrote: »

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

What is ruining PVP is the imbalance issues due to 'nerf this-nerf that'.

So champion points have no affect on the balance?

In comparison? Nope.

CP has no affect on gameplay whatsoever? Ok thx

starkerealm · August 2015

No

Valn wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Valn wrote: »

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

What is ruining PVP is the imbalance issues due to 'nerf this-nerf that'.

So champion points have no affect on the balance?

In comparison? Nope.

CP has no affect on gameplay whatsoever? Ok thx

No effect on balance in comparison to the constant "nerf nao!" rebalances. And, you're welcome.

Sallington · August 2015

Yes

Click the wrong option.

There's nothing ruining PVP except lag right now. There will be balance "issues" until the day the servers are shut off for good. Such is the ever evolving balancing of MMOs.

The lag, however, makes the game literally unplayable.

Gyudan · August 2015

Yes

Is PVP ruining Champion Points?

starkerealm · August 2015

No

Also no effect on people who post polls on the forums.

starkerealm · August 2015

No

Gyudan wrote: »

Is PVP ruining Champion Points?

Yes.

IIIMPIII · August 2015

No

There should be some sort of cooldown on particular spells imo

starkerealm · August 2015

No

IIIMPIII wrote: »

There should be some sort of cooldown on particular spells imo

There is, it's called Ultimate.

theroyalestpythonnub18_ESO · August 2015

Non-vet pvp yeah

Valn · August 2015

Yes

starkerealm wrote: »

Valn wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Valn wrote: »

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

What is ruining PVP is the imbalance issues due to 'nerf this-nerf that'.

So champion points have no affect on the balance?

In comparison? Nope.

CP has no affect on gameplay whatsoever? Ok thx

No effect on balance in comparison to the constant "nerf nao!" rebalances. And, you're welcome.

So a person with an extra 12% crit just cause he has champion points is exactly the same as a clone character without the 12% crit? Is that what ur saying? Sorry, i'm just trying to get my head around this

Sallington · August 2015

Yes

Valn wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Valn wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Valn wrote: »

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

What is ruining PVP is the imbalance issues due to 'nerf this-nerf that'.

So champion points have no affect on the balance?

In comparison? Nope.

CP has no affect on gameplay whatsoever? Ok thx

No effect on balance in comparison to the constant "nerf nao!" rebalances. And, you're welcome.

So a person with an extra 12% crit just cause he has champion points is exactly the same as a clone character without the 12% crit? Is that what ur saying? Sorry, i'm just trying to get my head around this

Of course they will have an advantage, but that's within the first 90 CPs. Everyone will have that extra 12% crit soon enough.

If someone has access to better gear because they put in more time for dungeons runs, should they worry about other people catching up in gear before they fight them? It's the same kind of thing. The less "hardcore" people will always be a little behind at least.

starkerealm · August 2015

No

Valn wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Valn wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Valn wrote: »

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

What is ruining PVP is the imbalance issues due to 'nerf this-nerf that'.

So champion points have no affect on the balance?

In comparison? Nope.

CP has no affect on gameplay whatsoever? Ok thx

No effect on balance in comparison to the constant "nerf nao!" rebalances. And, you're welcome.

So a person with an extra 12% crit just cause he has champion points is exactly the same as a clone character without the 12% crit? Is that what ur saying? Sorry, i'm just trying to get my head around this

If you want my honest explanation, CP is far less valuable than some segments of the community seem to think. The first hundred or so do constitute a pretty significant advantage (roughly on par with a single quality upgrade on your gear), but after that, the value drops off sharply.

There's a lot of stuff that looks fantastic on paper that, in practice ends up being, "well, it's nice to have, but it's not blowing the doors off anything." Which, ironically includes those two +12% crit chance stars. You might look at it and think, "holy guar shanks! This is a huge boost!" But, in practice it's, not that three more out of every twenty-five hits you land will be a crit, it's just the odds for landing one are a little better.

At which point we get these threads.

I mean, if you've actually got the +12% crit chance stars, and you're saying, "yeah, I love this purchase," but if you're looking at it from the outside, then you honestly don't know how it works in practice.

Recremen · August 2015

No

It entirely depends on what kind of PvP you're doing.

If all you do is duels, then maybe it will have a minor effect, depending on which ones you put points into and how high the difference is between you and your opponent. Probably not, though, because if your opponent spent so long grinding CP that they have a significant advantage against you in that respect, you'll probably dance circles around them when it comes to actual dueling strategy.

If you're doing small group play, it might have an effect, but number of players in the fight and their experience in small group fighting will be way more important.

If you're in large group fights, see the above, but multiplied by 5.

CP kind of matters sort of sometimes, but it's really not the huge gamechanger that a lot of people fear. The folks who are really experienced in a particular style of PvP are still going to outclass a grindnub with 5% more weapon power than they have, and PvPers on an equal level to each other don't need to worry because they've spent too long in Cyro to get enough XP to actually have an edge in the CP grind. ;-)

leepalmer95 · August 2015

Yes

If the gap is big enough then it does make a difference say 200 or so.

All zos needs to do is to increase the maximum enlightenment stack to 60 or so, then people who take breaks will be able to gain some ground back.

Also a simple catch up mechanic, maybe if your lower than the average cp gain more % experience or so.

Just something so the cp gap doesn't get too large because as of now its a fixed amount of exp for a cp no matter if you have 1k or 10 cp.

kevlarto_ESO · August 2015

I think exploits and broken game mechanics and population imbalance and general balance of skills are doing more harm than cp's, no caps on resources having crazy regens and off the scale dps, I am sure cp's play some part, in creating those numbers but where is the break off point to really see or feel the difference in points ? I do think they are a are a problem but not the biggest problem with pvp.

TequilaFire · August 2015

No

No constant nerfs to my class are.

starkerealm · August 2015

No

leepalmer95 wrote: »

If the gap is big enough then it does make a difference say 200 or so.

Someone with 200 vs someone with 0? Maybe. 100 v 300... maybe if you squint, but you couldn't tell definitively. 300 v 500 and above, you can't tell. There isn't enough difference.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

All zos needs to do is to increase the maximum enlightenment stack to 60 or so, then people who take breaks will be able to gain some ground back.

And that would help how, exactly? "Oh, hey, casual gamer, grind for 60 hours and you can catch up." What?

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Also a simple catch up mechanic, maybe if your lower than the average cp gain more % experience or so.

Just something so the cp gap doesn't get too large because as of now its a fixed amount of exp for a cp no matter if you have 1k or 10 cp.

Except it does matter, because at 10cp your champion point will be granting a much larger modifier than you could possibly obtain at 1k. So, your 1001st CP is nearly worthless. Your tenth is between a full percent up and .4%, depending on where you spend it.

Tolmos · August 2015

Yes

Why Champions Points, a system very obviously designed for PvE, is even present in PvP is beyond me. It encourages mindless grinding over PvPing, it creates an inane stat handicap based on seniority in the game, and it creates a stat crutch for bad players who just know how to grind, giving them less of a reason to properly learn how to play.

I joined ESO for the PvP, not to sit around grinding mobs all day so that I won't get left behind in PvP.

I look forward to the no-CP campaigns very, very much.

TheBull · August 2015

No

You should have asked if champion points & Macros are ruining pvp

Troneon · August 2015

Yes

Yes but class balance being off is making it worse. Looking at you Sorcs and NB's..

starkerealm · August 2015

No

TheBull wrote: »

You should have asked if champion points & Macros are ruining pvp

You keep posting that image. I keep laughing at it. Clearly something's wrong here.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · August 2015

Yes

As currently implemented, CP are threatening the game itself, not just PvP. Whether you are dueling in Cyrodiil or competing for a top score in SO, champion points make a huge difference.

Now, the number of 1000 plus CP holders is still very small, and you can likely PvP for days without it ever really being an issue. That said, if you get into a 1v1 battle with someone of similar skill that has double your CP, there is a good chance that you will lose. Ultimately dueling is about managing your resources and more CP means more resources.

I think the threat is actually greater to PvE. I fear a day when my name will not be found on any leader board, not because I can't mash the buttons in the right order, but because when I push skill button "1" it does 10-20% less damage than the next guy. A players CP pool has a huge effect on DPS. More DPS = Faster Time = Higher score. Like so many of us that don't have 40 hours a week to grind CP, I worry at some point the gap will be to great, and you will see a mass exodus from the game.

The good news is that we aren't there yet, and there are some really simple solutions (caps and catch-up mechanics) that have been eluded to a million times on these forums. Hopefully the people at ZOS will have the good sense to implement them soon. The CP system is a great idea in theory, but like most great ideas, it needs a little refining in practice.

JacksonCarter13 · August 2015

Yes

It's why I haven't played In a week...

icontested · August 2015

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

And repetitive polls

I bet if the same amount of time was spent on a build to complement your playstyle, making friends, and practicing as much Time invested in these polls who knows what would be different

starkerealm · August 2015

No

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

That said, if you get into a 1v1 battle with someone of similar skill that has double your CP, there is a good chance that you will lose.

Though, to be fair, you'll loose because they're wearing The Engine Guardian. Not because they have more CP.

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

...but because when I push skill button "1" it does 10-20% less damage than the next guy.

If this is happening to you, it's not the CP system. For someone to be swinging for 20% more damage than you on a specific ability, with an otherwise identical setup, you're talking about someone who needs to have a CR close to 2k, or a very poorly optimized CP distribution and a CR around 300. If they're getting +20% on a single star (and presumably a similar buff on two others), they have seriously gimped their CP allocations. At that point, they really should know better.

If you're seeing this happen, it's more likely they're running a pure stam or magicka build, and don't have any points in health and the blue and green flavor they didn't pick. That's where you can realistically get those kinds of damage up. Not from CP.

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