Best Advice for people rolling Magicka NB's for IC

JDar · August 2015

Just stop. Please. You can still get into IC without being a nightblade. Does a one class game sound fun to you? No, it doesn't. Roll a DK or templar. Please be original.

Jules · August 2015

Why be a DK with no escape, no reliable class gap closer, no range and thus forced into melee where you can't permablock---- when you can freely weave in and out of combat with cloak as a magicka nb?

r.jan_emailb16_ESO · August 2015

I have a v14 NB since last weekend, and I have to admit it's a nice change after playing DK since release.

olsborg · August 2015

Ive been a sorceror since beta, its been a hoot, so much fun. Ive been leveling a magicka nb before IC was announced, and im sure as hell not about to go another path now, ive tried magicka nb on pts in IC and can honestly say its like IC was tailor made for magicka nb. You can deaggro mobs so easy, you can escape so easy by using cloak and/or shadow image. Sure you can do that with streak too, but not nearly as effective while inside IC.

Tell me how you can have that kind of fun with templar or dk, you cant. All you do as templar and dk is stand there taking dmg until you either die or everyone is whiped by strong mobs^^ (not really, but close to it)

Minnesinger · August 2015

I have to disagree. Lets all play magicka nb. It will be so fun when there is no visible enemies but little reddish fog when we all cloak around IC.

Soulac · August 2015

Let them all run nightblades.
It's much easier to kill those than these annoying BoL spamming Templars and DK tanks doing basically nothing.

Shinra · August 2015

olsborg wrote: »

Ive been a sorceror since beta, its been a hoot, so much fun. Ive been leveling a magicka nb before IC was announced, and im sure as hell not about to go another path now, ive tried magicka nb on pts in IC and can honestly say its like IC was tailor made for magicka nb. You can deaggro mobs so easy, you can escape so easy by using cloak and/or shadow image. Sure you can do that with streak too, but not nearly as effective while inside IC.

Well, I don't want to deaggro or escape. I want to stand in the middle of a raging hellfire, burning everything to the ground.

And as a DK who has already tried IC, I have to say, you can sill permablock long enough to kill a group of 10+ mobs and a little squishy nightblade on top of it. At the same time. Well, nightblades can easily run away and hide in a hole, so I guess it's fair.

Maulkin · August 2015

JDar wrote: »

Just stop. Please. You can still get into IC without being a nightblade. Does a one class game sound fun to you? No, it doesn't. Roll a DK or templar. Please be original.

Lol. Even Sorcs will be switching to NBs for IC. That is the difference this update has made and the nature of the new content. My Breton magicka NB is v14, AR 15 and ready for Imperial City.

In the closed quarters of IC the NB works much, much better than any other class. If you get too much player aggro, you just drop a shadow image, go round the corner, teleport back and...pooof, you're gone. Also CW, Double Take and Cloak is amazing speed while stealthed. And with the detect pot nerf, unless you have the NB on the ropes and looking to finish them off, using the pot will just lead to wasting a potion cooldown.

And NB burst is still pretty insane. Insta-cast proxy is still valuable and you can do >8k AoE no probs. It's still great when timed with an ult. Especially if you have build up Assassin's Will which is almost like a NB Crystal Frag now, you can do great bursts with Lotus Fan -> Fear -> Proxy Boom -> Ult -> Will. If that doesn't kill them, cloak back out and try again.

My Sorc by comparison with his Boundless Armor and Streak just draws aggro from NPCs like crazy and feels clumsy in the restricted area. Not to mention that in those tight alleys Streak is pretty hard to use as an escape. If you don't aim perfectly through the doors and passages you end up headbutting the wall and getting gangbanged by 4-5 ambushing NBs. That's before we take into consideration all the undocumented nerfs to bolt like:

After bolt you no longer have speed momentum, you are almost mini stunned.
If you are immobilized you can no longer point to a direction and bolt, you can only bolt where your body is facing. Which makes it useless in tight quarters and narrow passages.
If someone is gap closing you (crit rush or ambush etc.) you can't bolt cause you are silenced.

Inside IC, NB is the undisputed king. Playing anything else just puts you at a huge disadvantage.

Raizin · August 2015

Soulac wrote: »

Let them all run nightblades.
It's much easier to kill those than these annoying BoL spamming Templars and DK tanks doing basically nothing.

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Maulkin · August 2015

Soulac wrote: »

Let them all run nightblades.
It's much easier to kill those than these annoying BoL spamming Templars and DK tanks doing basically nothing.

Those DK and Temp tanks are doing precisely that, nothing. They carry next to 0 threat.

If they outnumber you, you just ignore the big lumbering buffoons and pick easier targets. If you outnumber them, you just have to be patient and pummel them for 30" while they spam heals and block and then collect your TV stones easy peasy.

I call those tanks "Tel Var donors". They just give and give until they got nothing left to give, then you just ignore them :P

Soulac · August 2015

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

JDar wrote: »

Just stop. Please. You can still get into IC without being a nightblade. Does a one class game sound fun to you? No, it doesn't. Roll a DK or templar. Please be original.

Lol. Even Sorcs will be switching to NBs for IC. That is the difference this update has made and the nature of the new content. My Breton magicka NB is v14, AR 15 and ready for Imperial City.

In the closed quarters of IC the NB works much, much better than any other class. If you get too much player aggro, you just drop a shadow image, go round the corner, teleport back and...pooof, you're gone. Also CW, Double Take and Cloak is amazing speed while stealthed. And with the detect pot nerf, unless you have the NB on the ropes and looking to finish them off, using the pot will just lead to wasting a potion cooldown.

And NB is still burst pretty insane. Insta-cast proxy is still valuable and you can do >8k AoE no probs. It's still great when timed with an ult. Especially if you have build up Assassin's Will which is almost like a NB Crystal Frag now, you can do great bursts with Lotus Fan -> Fear -> Proxy Boom -> Ult -> Will. If that doesn't kill them, cloak back out and try again.

My Sorc by comparison with his Boundless Armor and Streak just draws aggro from NPCs like crazy and feels clumsy in the restricted area. Not to mention that in those tight alleys Streak is pretty hard to use as an escape. If you don't aim perfectly through the doors and passages you end up headbutting the wall and getting gangbanged by 4-5 ambushing NBs. That's before we take into consideration all the undocumented nerfs to bolt like:
After bolt you no longer have speed momentum, you are almost mini stunned.

If you are immobilized you can no longer point to a direction and bolt, you can only bolt where your body is facing. Which makes it useless in tight quarters and narrow passages.

If someone is gap closing you (crit rush or amush etc.) you can bolt cause you are silenced.

Inside IC, NB is the undisputed king. Playing anything else just puts you at a huge disadvantage.

The combo is strong as long as you fight someone who doesn't react at all.
Lotus Fan triggers a global cooldown, fear does and the ultimate usage as well.
If your enemy doesn't do something in three seconds he deserves to die.
Stun breaks are not always delayed, it's not a special fear side-abilitiy, so he could break free and easily block or dodge your ultimate at least, same for the arrow.

Not sure if lotus fan breaks cloak, but teleport strike and Ambush doesn't, so against most targets it's more useful to stun them with Concealed Weapon and get some off balance dmg-increase.

Good thing that all those new NBs don't know anything about all those combinations or don't know how to use them effectively.
Shadow Image is the best escape mechanic in the game and barely any NB is using it correctly.

Oh man, so many easy points in 1.7.

Just a tip, never cloak next to a boss. Gonna be so funny to see all these NBs trying to escape.

Erondil · August 2015

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Let them all run nightblades.
It's much easier to kill those than these annoying BoL spamming Templars and DK tanks doing basically nothing.

Those DK and Temp tanks are doing precisely that, nothing. They carry next to 0 threat.

If they outnumber you, you just ignore the big lumbering buffoons and pick easier targets. If you outnumber them, you just have to be patient and pummel them for 30" while they spam heals and block and then collect your TV stones easy peasy.

I call those tanks "Tel Var donors". They just give and give until they got nothing left to give, then you just ignore them :P

True they do nothing thats why I prefer all the NB rerolls. The only thing those new magicka nb noobs will do, is feeding my AP.

Ghostbane · August 2015

I have a nonvet NB mid-pending in BWB for many months now. Whilst everyone is insisting 1.7 is Elder Cloak Online, I'll still be representing Elder Streak Online.

My DK is being relegated to PVE/crafter, which is actually very depressing. When the bigwigs analyse their quarterly usage data, we'll get the usual "Y U NO DK PEEPS? WE GIV U BUFF, VOLATILE ARMOR NOW HAZ EXTRA FROST RESIST. U WELCOMES"

aco5712 · August 2015

Ghostbane wrote: »

I have a nonvet NB mid-pending in BWB for many months now. Whilst everyone is insisting 1.7 is Elder Cloak Online, I'll still be representing Elder Streak Online.

My DK is being relegated to PVE/crafter, which is actually very depressing. When the bigwigs analyse their quarterly usage data, we'll get the usual "Y U NO DK PEEPS? WE GIV U BUFF, VOLATILE ARMOR NOW HAZ EXTRA FROST RESIST. U WELCOMES"

dont give them these ideas.... this is how argonians got their passives...

Maulkin · August 2015

Erondil wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Let them all run nightblades.
It's much easier to kill those than these annoying BoL spamming Templars and DK tanks doing basically nothing.

Those DK and Temp tanks are doing precisely that, nothing. They carry next to 0 threat.

If they outnumber you, you just ignore the big lumbering buffoons and pick easier targets. If you outnumber them, you just have to be patient and pummel them for 30" while they spam heals and block and then collect your TV stones easy peasy.

I call those tanks "Tel Var donors". They just give and give until they got nothing left to give, then you just ignore them :P

True they do nothing thats why I prefer all the NB rerolls. The only thing those new magicka nb noobs will do, is feeding my AP.

I would disagree.

I don't remember the last time i died while a DK tank was trying to CC me and spam whips on me. On the other hand I very frequently die to some stealthed gankers waiting on the sidelines to enter the fight with a burst combo when they feel pretty safe about their chances.

The title is "Best Advice for people rolling Magicka NB's for IC". Inside IC, where Tel Var stones add a death penalty, playing sneaky-sneaky "Mister Torture" style play is very rewarding, unlike tanking.

Let me put it this way. I believe a crap NB re-roll carries more threat than a well played DK tank. You can easily avoid the first but you can fall victim to the other's gank tactics even if they are bads.

Erondil · August 2015

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Let them all run nightblades.
It's much easier to kill those than these annoying BoL spamming Templars and DK tanks doing basically nothing.

Those DK and Temp tanks are doing precisely that, nothing. They carry next to 0 threat.

If they outnumber you, you just ignore the big lumbering buffoons and pick easier targets. If you outnumber them, you just have to be patient and pummel them for 30" while they spam heals and block and then collect your TV stones easy peasy.

I call those tanks "Tel Var donors". They just give and give until they got nothing left to give, then you just ignore them :P

True they do nothing thats why I prefer all the NB rerolls. The only thing those new magicka nb noobs will do, is feeding my AP.

I would disagree.

I don't remember the last time i died while a DK tank was trying to CC me and spam whips on me. On the other hand I very frequently die to some stealthed gankers waiting on the sidelines to enter the fight with a burst combo when they feel pretty safe about their chances.

The title is "Best Advice for people rolling Magicka NB's for IC". Inside IC, where Tel Var stones add a death penalty, playing sneaky-sneaky "Mister Torture" style play is very rewarding, unlike tanking.

Let me put it this way. I believe a crap NB re-roll carries more threat than a well played DK tank. You can easily avoid the first but you can fall victim to the other's gank tactics even if they are bads.

Thats true for 1.6, but with damage reduction of 1.7 its very easy to react to the initial burst of a Nightblade. The combo you're talking about, with prox deto, is extremly easy to anticipate and counter since you see a big aoe where the nightblade casted prox deto. Once you have reacted to the initial burst, a NB isnt threat anymore, I can negate all their damages with cloak+shadow image while a DK who spams talons+invasions totally fcks up my mobility as magicka Nightblade (whip, invasion and talons breaks cloak, immobilizes and I can't dodge much, especially in 1.7, to get away from it) and a templar can be full heavy nirn+sb and spam bol to heal the whole group I'm facing, so those 2 are harder to manage in a 1v3+ than a high-burst nightblade for me. Thats not the same with my sorc tho, since I can still streak when immobilized and the counter to my main defence (shields) is to outdps them, which is way easier for a nb than a temp/dk.
You're right, sneaky gameplay will be more rewarding in IC but since stealth burst got nerfed (all new dmg set need to be used in fight : molag kena, scatching mage, essence thief etc) it will also be easy to react afterwhat those are almost free kills for a good player.

Lord_Hev · August 2015

I want everyone to reroll a magic NB. I hope everyone goes FOTM. What better way to show how bad ZOS' balance is, then by exaggerating the problem. Maybe then something will get done.

Then NBs will get nerfed severely, to the point where they hit the bottom again. And then ZOS will start tunnel-visioning buffing Templars to easy-mode status, and everyone starts slowly rerolling Templar. By December, Templars will mutate into the most mobile class, while sorcs loose shields and bolt escape completely.

andy_s · August 2015

Although magicka NB looks like an efficient way to explore IC solo, I believe that good organized groups of different classes will be the superior choice for those who want to farm stuff quick and safe

Experienced 12-man PVE raids can actually shine there, because PVE mobs seem to be harder than PVP mobs in IC

Rylana · August 2015

I am literally chomping at the bit for all of these rerolls

For the last 2 months nightblades in general have been my most killed class on every toon, and thats with infinite roll dodge and megaburst near-oneshots

Slow down the damage, it becomes a technical fight of ability knowledge mastery, and the experienced are going to destroy the FOTM handily.

Especially those of us that have played NB for a very long time. With any class I can crush one. You can always tell who the FOTM stream fans are. They use the exact same cookie cutter builds and tactics they saw that "cool guy in the vid do" and basically amount to free AP themselves.

Its just like reroll sorcs today, reroll nightblades tomorrow are going to be delicious. Delectable really.

IxSTALKERxI · August 2015

I only really have 1 maxed character and it's a NB that I've had since launch. Yet on PTS I've only played a little bit of nightblade and put a lot more hrs into sorc/ dk/ templar. I found the other classes a nice change and are better at some things then the NB.

In IC pvp solo, magicka nb's feels quite nice, though sorcs felt just as good, it may just be that I'm more familiar with a nb. I wasn't that fond of templar but a werewolf was a lot of fun on a stamplar. DK was meh.

In IC pve solo, I found Stam DK's to be the strongest. Their dps may not be the best but in terms of survivability I am able to solo all mobs in sewers along with a sweeper all at once noticeably easier then the other classes(the sweepers that shield and heal themselves can't be solo'd though). Also I found stam DK's can solo undefended emperor keeps.

In group pvp the classes are pretty much on par as they each have something to offer to a group.

Overall I didn't find my NB to be an obvious choice, I think the other classes did just as well, and even better at some things.

Farorin · August 2015

Haha, but I am looking forward to when people are all going to play "op" NBs, it means easy Tel Var Stones for me.

Vilestride · August 2015

I gotta agree with rylanna here, The damage reduction gives you a lot more time to react to a NB's burst which is their strongest suit. The reduced time to kill brings the game back to where decision making in your combos and resource management are more important because ALL the fights are longer. If you think that in close quaters environments that DK's are gonna to be lack luster I think you'll change your mind. you can cloak around a room all you want but when DK AoE and CC fills the room good luck, and then you have their Templar friends keeping them alive while you try to manage you ever so mediocre burst.

IC isnt going to be 1v1, put 5 magicka NB against a well rounded group of 5 with knowledge of their group rolls and NB' loose every time. for solo play sure, re-roll NB all you want.

Mojmir · August 2015

For the record I was a night blade before this nonsense. If they nerf stamina side,what other option is there? If I even go to Ic.

Soulac · August 2015

Stamina NB with perm cloak huehuehue

Taresgos · August 2015

JDar wrote: »

Just stop. Please. You can still get into IC without being a nightblade. Does a one class game sound fun to you? No, it doesn't. Roll a DK or templar. Please be original.

too late dude, all my friends and guildmates already lvled up NBs for it

Erondil · August 2015

Taresgos wrote: »

JDar wrote: »

Just stop. Please. You can still get into IC without being a nightblade. Does a one class game sound fun to you? No, it doesn't. Roll a DK or templar. Please be original.

too late dude, all my friends and guildmates already lvled up NBs for it

I need to lvl my EP faster to farm you then.

Master_Kas · August 2015

Erondil wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Let them all run nightblades.
It's much easier to kill those than these annoying BoL spamming Templars and DK tanks doing basically nothing.

Those DK and Temp tanks are doing precisely that, nothing. They carry next to 0 threat.

If they outnumber you, you just ignore the big lumbering buffoons and pick easier targets. If you outnumber them, you just have to be patient and pummel them for 30" while they spam heals and block and then collect your TV stones easy peasy.

I call those tanks "Tel Var donors". They just give and give until they got nothing left to give, then you just ignore them :P

True they do nothing thats why I prefer all the NB rerolls. The only thing those new magicka nb noobs will do, is feeding my AP.

And tel var Stones

huehue

Edit: Im sticking to stam as my main

Minnesinger · August 2015

All nb gankers be aware of the possibilities of group ganking. You will sweep the streets clean of enemies in no time.

Actually for the role-players I would suggest that nbs can become thieves in the true sense. Thus, they should be able to murder own faction players too.

Joy_Division · August 2015

LoL NBs posting here. DKs admitted they were top dogs back in the day

Septimus_Magna · August 2015

New magicka NBs are easy to kill so please come to IC and give me lots of Tel Var stones.

Eejit1331 · August 2015

Minnesinger wrote: »

I have to disagree. Lets all play magicka nb. It will be so fun when there is no visible enemies but little reddish fog when we all cloak around IC.

Agreed!