Aenlir - Stamina Nightblade 1vX

OdinForge · August 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

craigvigneaultub17_ESO wrote: »

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO wrote: »

To the OP, damn you are good, I fought you at Nikel yesterday and got my behind handed to me. only thing that ever killed you were concealed weapon stuns combined with a bunch of people then jumping in but else people just ran in circles around you!

Thanks man (not for the conceals though )! I think I must have died at least 20 times at Nikel, I was trying really hard to just pull one or two people but it seemed like every time a lot more kept showing up. It was one of those times where I wonder if any people actually play solo in this game. Either way, good fights!

That'd exactly why I use S&B over Bow. When a single build completely destroys your build you either have to accept it or make a tradeoff to counter that build as well. Try Absorb magick and you'll actually end up preferring Magicka NBs over the stam ones!

The problem with dropping bow, is the lack of mobility which is huge for solo play. 1H NB builds can be really strong, especially in 1v1s against magicka builds where mobility isn't as important.

I've been running 1H non bow builds for a while, when i switch to 2H/Bow i feel so powerful. The extra speed makes it much easier to stay alive solo. That's not to say non bow stamina builds don't have good mobility or success either though.

Aenlir · August 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

That'd exactly why I use S&B over Bow. When a single build completely destroys your build you either have to accept it or make a tradeoff to counter that build as well. Try Absorb magick and you'll actually end up preferring Magicka NBs over the stam ones!

OdinForge wrote: »

The problem with dropping bow, is the lack of mobility which is huge for solo play. 1H NB builds can be really strong, especially in 1v1s against magicka builds where mobility isn't as important.

I've been running 1H non bow builds for a while, when i switch to 2H/Bow i feel so powerful. The extra speed makes it much easier to stay alive solo. That's not to say non bow stamina builds don't have good mobility or success either though.

Actually, I don't know how much this applies for me because if I ran 1H/s and 2h I would use double take, and if you notice I don't run double take, so I actually only have a 30% speed increase versus the 40% from double take. Also, imo I feel sword and board gives an almost silly amount of mitigation. For example, I have fought nightblades that were previously pretty easy to kill while running bow, and then change to be nearly impossible to kill while using sword and board. In addition, with the right champion points bash becomes extremely powerful as well, allowing for great burst while permablocking. That being said I don't have anything against the weapon or those who use it and I'm even considering swapping to it next patch and with the rise of magicka NBs, I would probably have switched to it even before next patch if it wasn't coming so soon.

Soulac · August 2015

OdinForge wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

craigvigneaultub17_ESO wrote: »

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO wrote: »

To the OP, damn you are good, I fought you at Nikel yesterday and got my behind handed to me. only thing that ever killed you were concealed weapon stuns combined with a bunch of people then jumping in but else people just ran in circles around you!

Thanks man (not for the conceals though )! I think I must have died at least 20 times at Nikel, I was trying really hard to just pull one or two people but it seemed like every time a lot more kept showing up. It was one of those times where I wonder if any people actually play solo in this game. Either way, good fights!

That'd exactly why I use S&B over Bow. When a single build completely destroys your build you either have to accept it or make a tradeoff to counter that build as well. Try Absorb magick and you'll actually end up preferring Magicka NBs over the stam ones!

The problem with dropping bow, is the lack of mobility which is huge for solo play. 1H NB builds can be really strong, especially in 1v1s against magicka builds where mobility isn't as important.

I've been running 1H non bow builds for a while, when i switch to 2H/Bow i feel so powerful. The extra speed makes it much easier to stay alive solo. That's not to say non bow stamina builds don't have good mobility or success either though.

Well the really good speedbonus is gone next patch anyway.
I run DW / 2h cause I get a whole set bonus more and can synergize it much better with my planned sets.
Also I need to be useful for the group, so here we go with steel tornado. In addition to that the weapondmg on DW is higher than on 2h..
I don´t have any master stuff anyway

OdinForge · August 2015

I started using DW/2H instead of 2H/1H for many of the same reasons @Soulac listed (also 1.7 looming around the corner). I'm able to get 5P Hunding's Rage with 4P Morag Tong with at least a Bloodspawn slot. The damage is insane for 1.6, and while my 1H setup allows me to shut out some builds, it's so much more fun to melt people with DW.

And yeah i see now @craigvigneaultub17_ESO about the speed. Stamina NB in 1.6 with a properly setup 1H build can be extremely broken. I have a video where i tested a specific 1H spec against two DK, and the amount of sustain / damage / mitigation it was capable of was sickeningly broken. Mechanics however that seem to be largely fixed next patch, at least for stamina.

Ezareth · August 2015

OdinForge wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

craigvigneaultub17_ESO wrote: »

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO wrote: »

To the OP, damn you are good, I fought you at Nikel yesterday and got my behind handed to me. only thing that ever killed you were concealed weapon stuns combined with a bunch of people then jumping in but else people just ran in circles around you!

Thanks man (not for the conceals though )! I think I must have died at least 20 times at Nikel, I was trying really hard to just pull one or two people but it seemed like every time a lot more kept showing up. It was one of those times where I wonder if any people actually play solo in this game. Either way, good fights!

That'd exactly why I use S&B over Bow. When a single build completely destroys your build you either have to accept it or make a tradeoff to counter that build as well. Try Absorb magick and you'll actually end up preferring Magicka NBs over the stam ones!

The problem with dropping bow, is the lack of mobility which is huge for solo play. 1H NB builds can be really strong, especially in 1v1s against magicka builds where mobility isn't as important.

I've been running 1H non bow builds for a while, when i switch to 2H/Bow i feel so powerful. The extra speed makes it much easier to stay alive solo. That's not to say non bow stamina builds don't have good mobility or success either though.

With double take I've never saw the need for the bow mobility. I spam double take and run down peopleon max speed horses and sorcs alike. I hate having to keep spamming dodge roll and using stam to keep sprinting. The Absorb magick also makes for an absolute must have IMO for 1vX play where you lack vigor. I'll have my own NB video demonstrating much of that coming out soon. Not as impressive of a display as Aenlir but most fights are 3v1s or greater. It's hard to 1vX more than that without using cloak but I just can't bring myself to like it.

Aenlir · August 2015

OdinForge wrote: »

I started using DW/2H instead of 2H/1H for many of the same reasons @Soulac listed (also 1.7 looming around the corner). I'm able to get 5P Hunding's Rage with 4P Morag Tong with at least a Bloodspawn slot. The damage is insane for 1.6, and while my 1H setup allows me to shut out some builds, it's so much more fun to melt people with DW.

And yeah i see now @craigvigneaultub17_ESO about the speed. Stamina NB in 1.6 with a properly setup 1H build can be extremely broken. I have a video where i tested a specific 1H spec against two DK, and the amount of sustain / damage / mitigation it was capable of was sickeningly broken. Mechanics however that seem to be largely fixed next patch, at least for stamina.

I think that pretty much every stamina weapon offers more to this build than bow (aside from mobility in this patch) literally the only reason I use bow, is because the masters bow is giving me about 300 weapon damage which lets me reach pretty crazy damage and sustain. If I ran in groups more often, I would definitely run dual wield for steel tornado and the extra damage. Also, like you said most of the 1H issues will be fixed, so I will test 1H/s out in the next patch as well.

Ezareth wrote: »

With double take I've never saw the need for the bow mobility. I spam double take and run down peopleon max speed horses and sorcs alike. I hate having to keep spamming dodge roll and using stam to keep sprinting. The Absorb magick also makes for an absolute must have IMO for 1vX play where you lack vigor. I'll have my own NB video demonstrating much of that coming out soon. Not as impressive of a display as Aenlir but most fights are 3v1s or greater. It's hard to 1vX more than that without using cloak but I just can't bring myself to like it.

I can imagine WB>LA>Soul Harvest hitting pretty hard, kinda like the DKs do with WB into dragon leap. I do think using cloak to get off the wrecking blows would help a lot, but I'm still really interested to see how you pull this off, as I'm thinking wrecking blow is going to be better next patch.

xANTIxMATTERx · August 2015

Nice Video man. Always a pleasure fighting you in Cyro

Aenlir · August 2015

xANTIxMATTERx wrote: »

Nice Video man. Always a pleasure fighting you in Cyro

Thanks! I think it's usually me getting ganked by you though

Erondil · August 2015

craigvigneaultub17_ESO wrote: »

OdinForge wrote: »

I started using DW/2H instead of 2H/1H for many of the same reasons @Soulac listed (also 1.7 looming around the corner). I'm able to get 5P Hunding's Rage with 4P Morag Tong with at least a Bloodspawn slot. The damage is insane for 1.6, and while my 1H setup allows me to shut out some builds, it's so much more fun to melt people with DW.

And yeah i see now @craigvigneaultub17_ESO about the speed. Stamina NB in 1.6 with a properly setup 1H build can be extremely broken. I have a video where i tested a specific 1H spec against two DK, and the amount of sustain / damage / mitigation it was capable of was sickeningly broken. Mechanics however that seem to be largely fixed next patch, at least for stamina.

I think that pretty much every stamina weapon offers more to this build than bow (aside from mobility in this patch) literally the only reason I use bow, is because the masters bow is giving me about 300 weapon damage which lets me reach pretty crazy damage and sustain. If I ran in groups more often, I would definitely run dual wield for steel tornado and the extra damage. Also, like you said most of the 1H issues will be fixed, so I will test 1H/s out in the next patch as well.

Ezareth wrote: »

With double take I've never saw the need for the bow mobility. I spam double take and run down peopleon max speed horses and sorcs alike. I hate having to keep spamming dodge roll and using stam to keep sprinting. The Absorb magick also makes for an absolute must have IMO for 1vX play where you lack vigor. I'll have my own NB video demonstrating much of that coming out soon. Not as impressive of a display as Aenlir but most fights are 3v1s or greater. It's hard to 1vX more than that without using cloak but I just can't bring myself to like it.

I can imagine WB>LA>Soul Harvest hitting pretty hard, kinda like the DKs do with WB into dragon leap. I do think using cloak to get off the wrecking blows would help a lot, but I'm still really interested to see how you pull this off, as I'm thinking wrecking blow is going to be better next patch.

More than the mobility (that you get by shadow image and stuff) bow also gives you a very strong, and ranged, dot which is extremly usefull in 1vX situations to gain dps, to keep pressure on your opponents when you have to defend/rebuff yourself or slowly reduce shields of an anaware sorc. For those reasons I now always run a dot in my solo builds, and the only stam setup I tried (magicka nb ftw) was with dw+2h and a dot was really missing.
Very good gameplay btw!

Aenlir · August 2015

Erondil wrote: »

craigvigneaultub17_ESO wrote: »

OdinForge wrote: »

I started using DW/2H instead of 2H/1H for many of the same reasons @Soulac listed (also 1.7 looming around the corner). I'm able to get 5P Hunding's Rage with 4P Morag Tong with at least a Bloodspawn slot. The damage is insane for 1.6, and while my 1H setup allows me to shut out some builds, it's so much more fun to melt people with DW.

And yeah i see now @craigvigneaultub17_ESO about the speed. Stamina NB in 1.6 with a properly setup 1H build can be extremely broken. I have a video where i tested a specific 1H spec against two DK, and the amount of sustain / damage / mitigation it was capable of was sickeningly broken. Mechanics however that seem to be largely fixed next patch, at least for stamina.

I think that pretty much every stamina weapon offers more to this build than bow (aside from mobility in this patch) literally the only reason I use bow, is because the masters bow is giving me about 300 weapon damage which lets me reach pretty crazy damage and sustain. If I ran in groups more often, I would definitely run dual wield for steel tornado and the extra damage. Also, like you said most of the 1H issues will be fixed, so I will test 1H/s out in the next patch as well.

Ezareth wrote: »

With double take I've never saw the need for the bow mobility. I spam double take and run down peopleon max speed horses and sorcs alike. I hate having to keep spamming dodge roll and using stam to keep sprinting. The Absorb magick also makes for an absolute must have IMO for 1vX play where you lack vigor. I'll have my own NB video demonstrating much of that coming out soon. Not as impressive of a display as Aenlir but most fights are 3v1s or greater. It's hard to 1vX more than that without using cloak but I just can't bring myself to like it.

I can imagine WB>LA>Soul Harvest hitting pretty hard, kinda like the DKs do with WB into dragon leap. I do think using cloak to get off the wrecking blows would help a lot, but I'm still really interested to see how you pull this off, as I'm thinking wrecking blow is going to be better next patch.

More than the mobility (that you get by shadow image and stuff) bow also gives you a very strong, and ranged, dot which is extremly usefull in 1vX situations to gain dps, to keep pressure on your opponents when you have to defend/rebuff yourself or slowly reduce shields of an anaware sorc. For those reasons I now always run a dot in my solo builds, and the only stam setup I tried (magicka nb ftw) was with dw+2h and a dot was really missing.
Very good gameplay btw!

Thanks for watching

. Also, DW does have a dot in rending slashes/blood craze, but you're right poison injection is very good as well as being ranged (and an interupt/execute), which is the main benefit. I love running cripple when I play magicka melee for this reason. I think with the nerfs to dodge roll, bow will also be nice to use ranged heavy attacks to regain stamina.