Bank space

Loomis · July 2015

I'd pay for bank space instead of spending in game money for it... I don't think that gives any advantage

thunderwell · July 2015

I don't see why not, either.
If I want it later, I'll get it later.
If.

HKmongoose · August 2015

Bank space is a killer, I wish my characters didnt share a bank, would be nice if your chatters had maybe there own bank and a account bank that you could share between your alts. So basically every alt has there own bank space and then there's another bank slot that says account bank.

JamilaRaj · August 2015

Loomis wrote: »

I'd pay for bank space instead of spending in game money for it... I don't think that gives any advantage

Aside from that you effectively buy several tens of thousands of gold, there is nothing P2W on it.

Skcarkden · August 2015

JamilaRaj wrote: »

Loomis wrote: »

I'd pay for bank space instead of spending in game money for it... I don't think that gives any advantage

Aside from that you effectively buy several tens of thousands of gold, there is nothing P2W on it.

How does buying bank space even relate to buying tens of thousands of gold? Just because currently it costs gold to buy doesn't mean that not spending gold counts as 'buying' the gold you just saved. it just means you didn't have to spend it.

JamilaRaj · August 2015

Skcarkden wrote: »

JamilaRaj wrote: »

Loomis wrote: »

I'd pay for bank space instead of spending in game money for it... I don't think that gives any advantage

Aside from that you effectively buy several tens of thousands of gold, there is nothing P2W on it.

How does buying bank space even relate to buying tens of thousands of gold? Just because currently it costs gold to buy doesn't mean that not spending gold counts as 'buying' the gold you just saved. it just means you didn't have to spend it.

It does count; the whole point of paying with dollars is to end up with more gold, not to end up with more bank space, since bank space upgrades are more or less mandatory expenses everyone has to make. People who will pay with dollars will end up with bank space + thousands of gold, people who will not pay will end up with bank space without thousands of gold. It is equivalent to flat out gold purchase that can be done just one time only.
However, and there it begins to be ridiculous, ZOS currently runs so many of these little cash to gold conversion (mounts, repairs, potions etc.) schemes that even though some are one time and some recurring but still capped at that one can not buy more gold than sum of certain expenses, these limitations are irrelevant.

Skcarkden · August 2015

So then tell me, what if someone doesn't have any gold at all when they bought bank space (hypothetically if it was an option) ? Just because you didn't have to spend gold doesn't mean you just bought gold. And this wouldn't even be an argument if it was always both options from the start, or could only be bought with money.

There's nothing P2W about buying bankspace with money, it's purely just a convenience and there's nothing wrong with that.

JamilaRaj · August 2015

Skcarkden wrote: »

So then tell me, what if someone doesn't have any gold at all when they bought bank space (hypothetically if it was an option) ? Just because you didn't have to spend gold doesn't mean you just bought gold. And this wouldn't even be an argument if it was always both options from the start, or could only be bought with money.

There's nothing P2W about buying bankspace with money, it's purely just a convenience and there's nothing wrong with that.

You can think of it as though ZOS had "50K gold pack, but you have to buy bank space with it" in the crown store. That would be a limitation, but irrelevant, because everyone would eventually earn 50K gold and everyone would have to upgrade their bank space. At the end of the day, they would have 50K gold more compared to people who did not buy the gold pack.
And as a bonus they would get 50K worth of bank upgrades even before earning any gold whatsoever.

HotToddy · August 2015

I totally vote for this - I've been asking for extra bank space for some time now. I'd like to have a choice between being able to buy bank space for the account or additional inventory space for my individual characters (like you already can do in-game using in-game gold. I just want to use crowns!).

To be honest, the crown store rarely has anything but the occasional mount that I purchase. Using my stipend of crowns on bank space would be a worthy (and not game breaking) addition to the store.

Hanokihs · August 2015

Can't agree more - we really need this option.

Honestly, I'm surprised that experience scrolls came out first; those seem much more P2W than the ability to buy bank slots with crowns(although I'm still very appreciative).

Skcarkden · August 2015

JamilaRaj wrote: »

Skcarkden wrote: »

So then tell me, what if someone doesn't have any gold at all when they bought bank space (hypothetically if it was an option) ? Just because you didn't have to spend gold doesn't mean you just bought gold. And this wouldn't even be an argument if it was always both options from the start, or could only be bought with money.

There's nothing P2W about buying bankspace with money, it's purely just a convenience and there's nothing wrong with that.

You can think of it as though ZOS had "50K gold pack, but you have to buy bank space with it" in the crown store. That would be a limitation, but irrelevant, because everyone would eventually earn 50K gold and everyone would have to upgrade their bank space. At the end of the day, they would have 50K gold more compared to people who did not buy the gold pack.
And as a bonus they would get 50K worth of bank upgrades even before earning any gold whatsoever.

So basically... You're saying ZoS are gold sellers without the gold? buying bank space is using gold, buying a mount is using gold (from the crown store) buying costumes is gold, basically, you're saying the entire crown store is buying gold and as a result you're against it?

Even though, you're ignoring soul gems in the store already, motif books/packs in the store, potions in the store, foods and drinks in the store, you're going to single out only one thing - Being able to buy bank space - as the one thing that's "buying gold" when there is literally no gold involved. You can not buy what isn't involved, you can not use what is not involved as an excuse to exclude it, especially when there are other examples that fit your form of logic that you're willing to ignore only to protest one thing that harms no one. Also, in a game where it's buy once play forever, how else can they make money if not selling something people would want? It's not a new thing for an MMO to sell bank space or boosters, but it is original that someone would compare it to buying gold and being P2W.

Pizza_Magician · August 2015

I'd actually pay for a better bank interface.

Grapedragon · August 2015

I agree that we need more bank space, but paying with real money? Not sure about that...

I'd be happy if bank upgrades weren't so expensive

JamilaRaj · August 2015

Skcarkden wrote: »

JamilaRaj wrote: »

Skcarkden wrote: »

So then tell me, what if someone doesn't have any gold at all when they bought bank space (hypothetically if it was an option) ? Just because you didn't have to spend gold doesn't mean you just bought gold. And this wouldn't even be an argument if it was always both options from the start, or could only be bought with money.

There's nothing P2W about buying bankspace with money, it's purely just a convenience and there's nothing wrong with that.

You can think of it as though ZOS had "50K gold pack, but you have to buy bank space with it" in the crown store. That would be a limitation, but irrelevant, because everyone would eventually earn 50K gold and everyone would have to upgrade their bank space. At the end of the day, they would have 50K gold more compared to people who did not buy the gold pack.
And as a bonus they would get 50K worth of bank upgrades even before earning any gold whatsoever.

So basically... You're saying ZoS are gold sellers without the gold? buying bank space is using gold, buying a mount is using gold (from the crown store) buying costumes is gold, basically, you're saying the entire crown store is buying gold and as a result you're against it?

Tthere might be items that are not instances of cash to gold conversion, because they can neither be bought nor evaluated in gold by time it takes to get them (vs. gold that could be farmed in that time), because they simply must be paid for in dollars. Which also makes them blatantly P2W.

Skcarkden wrote: »

Even though, you're ignoring soul gems in the store already, motif books/packs in the store, potions in the store, foods and drinks in the store, you're going to single out only one thing - Being able to buy bank space - as the one thing that's "buying gold" when there is literally no gold involved. You can not buy what isn't involved, you can not use what is not involved as an excuse to exclude it, especially when there are other examples that fit your form of logic that you're willing to ignore only to protest one thing that harms no one.

The thread was about bank space, so I commented on bank space. I assure you if I came in ranting about soul gems being P2W, I would be moderated.
Besides I did say ZOS runs multiple cash to gold conversion schemes, not just the bank space scheme.

Skcarkden wrote: »

Also, in a game where it's buy once play forever, how else can they make money if not selling something people would want? It's not a new thing for an MMO to sell bank space or boosters, but it is original that someone would compare it to buying gold and being P2W.

And that would be my ulterior point; with business model they switched to, they can not make money without making the game P2W, even if they were candid (lol, nevermind).
If I am being original, it means we have truly hit rock bottom of P2W abyss. On the flip side, from now on, we can only go up to better tomorrows.

nimander99 · August 2015

Id pay for bank space over and above the current max in game now but most of these crown store offers the vast majority of us already got through regular play over the last year...

Devlin69 · August 2015

Well I don't bother with crafting AT ALL because of the lack of bank space & the inability to mail stuff to my other toons on the same account.

I got so frustrated with swapping items out of the bank to make space and creating toons JUST FOR THE BAG SPACE.

So I dumped it all

I have the max bank space AND my main toons have max bag space INCLUDING horse bags.

AND IT STILL WASNT ENOUGH!

So now I collect the raw mats and just sell it in trade guilds and let someone else have the hassle. I just use the gold I make from the mats to buy from others what I need.

All other mmos I've played I have always been a keen crafter.... but not here, too frustrating.

So in summary the lack of bank space has effectively shortened the lifespan of the game for me and I will move on to another game that bit sooner.

Brrrofski · August 2015

I have woodworking, blacksmithing, clothing and enchanting maxed. I manage with 130 bank space and 130 bag space.

When I was levelling, I just kept my level and one below. You don't need every mat at once

Legendary2150 · August 2015

+1 Good Idea
The bank space is really expensive

Devlin69 · August 2015

Brrrofski wrote: »

I have woodworking, blacksmithing, clothing and enchanting maxed. I manage with 130 bank space and 130 bag space.

When I was levelling, I just kept my level and one below. You don't need every mat at once

Yep that is a good idea, the point I am making is that the lack of space put me off crafting and that can only be a bad thing for all of us. Surely I'm not the only one who thought, sod that for a frustrating experience!

The longer people stay and ultimately pay (crowns or sub) is good for us all.

BabeestorGor · August 2015

I'd be happy if bank space was buyable with crowns so long as it wasn't extra on top of what you can buy with gold.
I wouldn't buy it myself but not everyone has as much time to play as me.

strikeback1247 · August 2015

Lol, I have all the crafting skill lines maxed and I have all the materials I need for every crafting type and I easily manage to do with 200 bank space and 170 bag space... I guess you guys have to stop hoarding useless stuff :^)

Devlin69 · August 2015

strikeback1247 wrote: »

Lol, I have all the crafting skill lines maxed and I have all the materials I need for every crafting type and I easily manage to do with 200 bank space and 170 bag space... I guess you guys have to stop hoarding useless stuff :^)

I believe this was part of my problem, I was saving stuff to level up crafting skills at a later date thinking I could do it all at once when I had a stockpile of mats

There should be a twitch TV show on ESO hoarders!

OmniDevil · August 2015

Fairly certain it was already mentioned/suggested, but:

Split Bank Space for all characters, while having a "Shared" tab for account wide inventory.

Having all my alchemy plants, waters, blacksmithing, clothing, style/trait mats take up all my inventory leaves very little to no room for my alt to bank stuff for later.

I don't run any crafts on my alt, but I gather everything I come across and bank it for my main to refine later. With only have 5 available slots, it make it difficult to do this.

Surragard · August 2015

@JamilaRaj I completely agree with your analysis. It's a unique way of applying some economics to the cash shop model that I don't think many people think about. With that said, I've never found this to be a game where gold really inhibits me. I typically have enough gold for what I need minus the bank spots eventually get onerous. I think there's something to be said for the fact that you should work to build up enough gold to unlock bank spaces. It's always been an achievement point for me in MMO's personally. However, the cash shop is all about spending a little bit of cash to eliminate that patient progression. I think it's inevitable that we'll see bank and bag spots up on the crown store.

usrevenge · August 2015

i'd be ok with it but other than repairs it's like, the only decent gold sink in the game.