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What was Imperial faction doing during this time?
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AD, DC, and EP were fighting each other, but what were the Imperials doing? Just sitting there?
Edited by Sadishist on August 21, 2015 7:15AM Xbox One - NA
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✭Imperials are mercenary soldier at this time.#makemagickadkgreataigan
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Sadishist✭✭There was a whole empire of them, they couldn't have all left the empire.Edited by Sadishist on August 21, 2015 11:28AMXbox One - NA
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Leandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I would imagine that the same happened as for all those real empires in history. Once the bureaucrats took over, the empire started rotting morally, resulting in its people to look elsewhere for their own best.
I would assume that most tried to buy in here and there all over the world with information or goods, established themselves all across and the empire itself crumbled away.
Once critical mass was underrun and the leaders were killed off, the rest just dispersed into vacuity.0 -
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✭but what were the Imperials doing?
Hanging out, playing Nintendo.
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starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭AD, DC, and EP were fighting each other, but what were the Imperials doing? Just sitting there?
The IC is under Molag Bal's control. Crippling the Legion's chain of command. In fact, most of the senior generals were called into the White Gold Tower right before the Imperial City went to hell. So, in the Legion, no one's quite sure what to do. And are in no position to mount a coherent counteroffensive to deal with the invading alliances.
The Legions outside in the province are trying to hold things together, but with no one to give orders, most of them are cut off and trying to hold position. A few are trying to retake the Imperial City, you can find them fighting Daedra at the various bridges. And, the Tharns have taken command of some, leading them into High Rock, Hammerfell, and Elsweyr, though that has less to do with the Empire, and more to do with the their personal agendas in support of Molag Bal.4 -
Sadishist✭✭starkerealm wrote: »AD, DC, and EP were fighting each other, but what were the Imperials doing? Just sitting there?
The IC is under Molag Bal's control. Crippling the Legion's chain of command. In fact, most of the senior generals were called into the White Gold Tower right before the Imperial City went to hell. So, in the Legion, no one's quite sure what to do. And are in no position to mount a coherent counteroffensive to deal with the invading alliances.
The Legions outside in the province are trying to hold things together, but with no one to give orders, most of them are cut off and trying to hold position. A few are trying to retake the Imperial City, you can find them fighting Daedra at the various bridges. And, the Tharns have taken command of some, leading them into High Rock, Hammerfell, and Elsweyr, though that has less to do with the Empire, and more to do with the their personal agendas in support of Molag Bal.
So that's all it took to take down the most powerful faction of its time and make all its members leave it for other factions? Do you buy that?Xbox One - NA
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✭✭✭✭✭Imperials had a little civil war a few years back, with that one Aquilarius guy overthrowing the old emperor and declaring himself the new emperor, only to mess up some magic ritual to bestow dragonborness later on and letting all those pesky Daedra into the heart of the empire because one of his toadies was secretly a Molag Bal cultist... sounds familiar?
That's basically why the empire right now is all gone to oblivion in a handbasket... some bowed their heads to mannimarco and get to live on as toadies to the worm cult (unless some passing deadra gets hungry), some ran away and hire themselves out as mercenaries, some sit in remote corners of the empire, try to hold their little piece of it together as best they can, and pray a lot...
Point is, in the ESO times, the empire is dead and the three alliances are fighting over its corpse. And that will be the state of affairs for a while yet... though eventiually, all the three alliances will fall and the empire shall rise again. It will just take a century or three... 1 -
Sadishist✭✭The empire was much easier to take down than the 3 alliances though. Were each of the 3 alliances more powerful than the empire?Xbox One - NA
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✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »AD, DC, and EP were fighting each other, but what were the Imperials doing? Just sitting there?
The IC is under Molag Bal's control. Crippling the Legion's chain of command. In fact, most of the senior generals were called into the White Gold Tower right before the Imperial City went to hell. So, in the Legion, no one's quite sure what to do. And are in no position to mount a coherent counteroffensive to deal with the invading alliances.
The Legions outside in the province are trying to hold things together, but with no one to give orders, most of them are cut off and trying to hold position. A few are trying to retake the Imperial City, you can find them fighting Daedra at the various bridges. And, the Tharns have taken command of some, leading them into High Rock, Hammerfell, and Elsweyr, though that has less to do with the Empire, and more to do with the their personal agendas in support of Molag Bal.
So that's all it took to take down the most powerful faction of its time and make all its members leave it for other factions? Do you buy that?
A Daedric Prince curb stomping them personally? Yeah. It was enough to end the Septim Dynasty as well. So it's not like this is without precedence.
To be fair, this also isn't the Empire Talos built, that's still about 400 years away. This is the Empire that was struggling with maintaining control over Tamriel before an Akaviri invasion (not the recent one) tore them apart. This is an Empire that hasn't yet conquered Morrowind, Black Marsh, or the Sommerset Isles, and hasn't had a Dragonborn on the throne in six centuries.1 -
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✭Fighting for a certian dreadric prince for a time, fighting against him, fighting each other other along with fighting against three alliances. And being mercenaries largely
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BullNetch✭✭✭AD, DC, and EP were fighting each other, but what were the Imperials doing? Just sitting there?
Each faction has legions of renegade Imperial soldiers on their side, including those of the Imperial race and those of other races not in the host factions.
The Three Banners War is a civil war.
Lorewise this is how you'll find an Argonian fighting for the Aldmeri Dominion or Daggerfall Covenant. They were from Cyrodil and members of the Imperial Army. When Tharn and Mannimarco took over Cyrodill and allied themselves with daedric forces, several Imperial divisions all over the Empire broke away and swore allegiance to one of three main factions in order to liberate Cyrodill from Molag Bal and Mannimarco.
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Sadishist✭✭
Yeah but what about EP, DC, and AD... Molag Bal was also curb stomping them but neither of the 3 faltered like the empire did, and they were fighting each other at the same time as well. Were those 3 alliances much stronger than the empire?starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »AD, DC, and EP were fighting each other, but what were the Imperials doing? Just sitting there?
The IC is under Molag Bal's control. Crippling the Legion's chain of command. In fact, most of the senior generals were called into the White Gold Tower right before the Imperial City went to hell. So, in the Legion, no one's quite sure what to do. And are in no position to mount a coherent counteroffensive to deal with the invading alliances.
The Legions outside in the province are trying to hold things together, but with no one to give orders, most of them are cut off and trying to hold position. A few are trying to retake the Imperial City, you can find them fighting Daedra at the various bridges. And, the Tharns have taken command of some, leading them into High Rock, Hammerfell, and Elsweyr, though that has less to do with the Empire, and more to do with the their personal agendas in support of Molag Bal.
So that's all it took to take down the most powerful faction of its time and make all its members leave it for other factions? Do you buy that?
A Daedric Prince curb stomping them personally? Yeah. It was enough to end the Septim Dynasty as well. So it's not like this is without precedence.
To be fair, this also isn't the Empire Talos built, that's still about 400 years away. This is the Empire that was struggling with maintaining control over Tamriel before an Akaviri invasion (not the recent one) tore them apart. This is an Empire that hasn't yet conquered Morrowind, Black Marsh, or the Sommerset Isles, and hasn't had a Dragonborn on the throne in six centuries.
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✭✭✭✭✭Yeah but what about EP, DC, and AD... Molag Bal was also curb stomping them but neither of the 3 faltered like the empire did, and they were fighting each other at the same time as well. Were those 3 alliances much stronger than the empire?
At this point in time? Probably. All three factions have a strong leader to rally behind; the Empire had Varen, but then Mannimarco got him to take himself out of the picture. And assuming each race has roughly equal population and the majority of those races are with their respective factions, each alliance would outnumber the Empire in Cyrodiil three to one. If something lethal happened to Ayrenn, Emeric, or Jorunn it might be a different story.
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crashen17b14_ESO✭✭✭The three factions are what happened when The Empire splintered and stopped keeping everything together. Beyond that, one could argue that the three factions are fighting each other as much or more than Molag Bal and the remains of the Imperials, which personally seems like a plus for him. The longer he keeps them in-fighting the less they are working against him or consolidating their forces to end the war.
As for why are the various towns and villages and settlements in Cyrodiil so sparsely populated, considering it's the heartland of the Empire? Well, it's also a massive warzone between four factions, one in the serve of Daedra. Anyone who could get out, did, most likely traveling to the other faction's territory, or maybe slinking off into Skingrad or Anvil or other not-pictured Imperial cities. Could be if/when those areas are released, we will see them dealing with massive overpopulation and refugees flooding the area. In fact, that seems remarkably plausible. Perhaps Skingrad or somewhere managed to resist daedric incursion and has isolated itself, taking in refugees but trying to stay out of the war. Within you would find many of the legions that deserted and such.0 -
snackrat✭✭✭Rather scattered. They're either the few small clusters dotted around Cyrodill trying to get the three banners out, or individual Imperials have fled to one of the banners to speed up retaking Cyrodill (that'd be your playables).0 -
Lenikus✭✭✭✭✭... I don't really get the question.
The imperials are from cyrodiil, and that's where most of their force is, Molag Bal's forces arrive, murder everything, and the remaining ones are either called back to the city (and likely dead), or scattered in random mercenary/scout groups.
Some also became stamina templars and currently do SO runs.
Rly, tho'... people understimate the genocide(s) Molag Bal kinda was responsible for..... Mai cave. >:30 -
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✭Kind of makes you wonder how the Imperials ever regained control, after Molag Bal wiped the floor with them, and the other three alliances ran roughshod all over Cyradiil.Crotchety Old Man Guild
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Shoot I remember taking heat for suggesting that Imperials were even in the game before beta when the forums were at Bethesda's website.0 -
Forestd16b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Well at this time as explained in the IC DLC nearly all of the Imperial army was forced to serve the worm cult and the daedra and to make sure that they did they were forced to eat some strange goop and became legion ZERO.
Those who resisted to become mindless slaves were either killed, retreated and forms the tiny resistance that we can help as part of the story line of IC or of course became mercenaries that we see in Cyrodiil and normaly have to kill cause there total arse holes.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Yeah but what about EP, DC, and AD... Molag Bal was also curb stomping them but neither of the 3 faltered like the empire did, and they were fighting each other at the same time as well. Were those 3 alliances much stronger than the empire?
It's worth pointing out that Molag Bal managed to curb stomp one province. Granted, the most important one for his plans. What he wasn't able to do was cripple three provinces working together in an ad hoc alliance, to say nothing of three alliances.
There is a strong theme in all three plotlines of Molag Bal trying to find ways to break the alliances apart. A sort of, "together we stand, divided we fall" situation.0
