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It seems that fighting with empty hands does not advance or benefit from any skill line. I would have thought it fit under dual wield but apparently ZoS does not agree. Too bad; I was having fun with a big Khajiit fighting bare knuckles.
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Kobaal✭✭✭✭✭If your hands are empty, your not wielding anything.
It would be cool if they added an unarmed skill lineEdited by Kobaal on August 21, 2015 6:21PMKobaal - VR16 Dragon Knight - PC [NA] Azura Star
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icontested✭✭✭✭ContraTempo wrote: »It seems that fighting with empty hands does not advance or benefit from any skill line. I would have thought it fit under dual wield but apparently ZoS does not agree. Too bad; I was having fun with a big Khajiit fighting bare knuckles.
First rule of fight club.. You do not talk about fight club!! :PVoted and Current reigning champion of most handsome ESO player of 2013-20161 -
Carluce✭icontested wrote: »ContraTempo wrote: »It seems that fighting with empty hands does not advance or benefit from any skill line. I would have thought it fit under dual wield but apparently ZoS does not agree. Too bad; I was having fun with a big Khajiit fighting bare knuckles.
First rule of fight club.. You do not talk about fight club!! :P
But you just did...0 -
icontested✭✭✭✭icontested wrote: »ContraTempo wrote: »It seems that fighting with empty hands does not advance or benefit from any skill line. I would have thought it fit under dual wield but apparently ZoS does not agree. Too bad; I was having fun with a big Khajiit fighting bare knuckles.
First rule of fight club.. You do not talk about fight club!! :P
But you just did...
I don't even know what it is. Sounded cool to say..Voted and Current reigning champion of most handsome ESO player of 2013-20160 -
ContraTempo✭✭✭✭If your hands are empty, your not wielding anything.
It would be cool if they added an unarmed skill line
I could go with either. Unarmed skills would be cool and make more sense but I could live with just using those from the Dual Wield line and that would probably be a much easier/quicker fix.
But getting nothing and not having your skills advance at all is a sad, sorry thing.Edited by ContraTempo on August 21, 2015 7:47PMContraTempo
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✭✭You can use your fists for most non-boss mobs but you'll obviously hit much weaker then your weapon and need to be tough enough to take a beating yourself. As I've said in the other thread I had fun running through the ogre delve with my heavy armor Orc beating them all down with my fists...I even beat the ogre boss down barehanded which was very satisfying at they were only a level or 2 beneath me.
While on topic, I discovered that you can cast molten weapons while unarmed and your character raises a fist in the air but I didn't notice any difference in damage.0 -
KiraTsukasa✭✭✭✭✭Besides brawls, has hand to hand combat ever been in any Elder Scrolls game ever?
Besides, it really doesn't make any sense. "Hey, that guy's wearing full metal plate armor! I'm gonna go punch him!" See how that works out for you.1 -
Mitchblue✭✭✭✭Or 1 guy has bare hands, another guy has big axe. I'm putting money on the big axe guy.Anyone else rooting for Molag Bal?0
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Dekkameron✭✭✭✭✭Now I want to see a bare-minimum height bosmer suplex a max-height nord.
Dunno about a Nord, but i remember this wrestling matchup yonks ago.
P.S Only in ESO are Bosmer short, but they are usually fairly gangly
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ContraTempo✭✭✭✭KiraTsukasa wrote: »Besides brawls, has hand to hand combat ever been in any Elder Scrolls game ever?
Besides, it really doesn't make any sense. "Hey, that guy's wearing full metal plate armor! I'm gonna go punch him!" See how that works out for you.
Don't you ever watch martial arts movies? I'm sure all that is real. ;-)ContraTempo
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Dekkameron✭✭✭✭✭ContraTempo wrote: »KiraTsukasa wrote: »Besides brawls, has hand to hand combat ever been in any Elder Scrolls game ever?
Besides, it really doesn't make any sense. "Hey, that guy's wearing full metal plate armor! I'm gonna go punch him!" See how that works out for you.
Don't you ever watch martial arts movies? I'm sure all that is real. ;-)
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✭KiraTsukasa wrote: »Besides brawls, has hand to hand combat ever been in any Elder Scrolls game ever?
Besides, it really doesn't make any sense. "Hey, that guy's wearing full metal plate armor! I'm gonna go punch him!" See how that works out for you.
Pretty sure there were perks for fighting bare fisted in Skyrim. Khajiit did extra damage fighting unarmed. There were even special gloves you got from fighting a guy in the sewers beneath Riften called Gloves of the Pugilist that boosted unarmed damage.Edited by ProfessorKittyhawk on August 22, 2015 6:18AM0 -
KiraTsukasa✭✭✭✭✭ContraTempo wrote: »KiraTsukasa wrote: »Besides brawls, has hand to hand combat ever been in any Elder Scrolls game ever?
Besides, it really doesn't make any sense. "Hey, that guy's wearing full metal plate armor! I'm gonna go punch him!" See how that works out for you.
Don't you ever watch martial arts movies? I'm sure all that is real. ;-)
Yeah, I'm sure it is completely realistic when someone is scripted to fall down on a padded mat and act dead when fake punched.Dekkameron wrote: »ContraTempo wrote: »KiraTsukasa wrote: »Besides brawls, has hand to hand combat ever been in any Elder Scrolls game ever?
Besides, it really doesn't make any sense. "Hey, that guy's wearing full metal plate armor! I'm gonna go punch him!" See how that works out for you.
Don't you ever watch martial arts movies? I'm sure all that is real. ;-)
In Skyrim you could punch dragons to death easily, some bloke in armour is childsplay!
Sure, if you only play on novice difficulty and never fight anything beyond base level dragons. I guarantee you're not fighting legendary dragons on legendary difficulty unarmed.ProfessorKittyhawk wrote: »KiraTsukasa wrote: »Besides brawls, has hand to hand combat ever been in any Elder Scrolls game ever?
Besides, it really doesn't make any sense. "Hey, that guy's wearing full metal plate armor! I'm gonna go punch him!" See how that works out for you.
Pretty sure there were perks for fighting bare fisted in Skyrim. Khajiit did extra damage fighting unarmed. There were even special gloves you got from fighting a guy in the sewers beneath Riften called Gloves of the Pugilist that boosted unarmed damage.
All that combined for a whopping 47 damage. When you combine two handed perks and smithing and can have a weapon that deals 120+ damage (without using the restoration exploit), unarmed damage is unimpressive.0 -
Dekkameron✭✭✭✭✭KiraTsukasa wrote: »Sure, if you only play on novice difficulty and never fight anything beyond base level dragons. I guarantee you're not fighting legendary dragons on legendary difficulty unarmed.
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I subscribe to the mighty King of Sweden himself when it comes to punching things.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhBiNx749Zw Edited by Dekkameron on August 22, 2015 7:54AM- Veteran Combat Librarian -0 -
Farorin✭✭✭✭✭KiraTsukasa wrote: »Besides brawls, has hand to hand combat ever been in any Elder Scrolls game ever?
Besides, it really doesn't make any sense. "Hey, that guy's wearing full metal plate armor! I'm gonna go punch him!" See how that works out for you.
Arena, Daggerfall, Morrowind, and Oblivion all had unarmed skill lines from my memory, in morrowind and oblivion they were very strong skills as well.
As for the plate armor comment, a lot of things in this game don't make sense, it is a fantasy game and thus it doesn't have to be completely realistic. But speaking of realism, unarmed combat was part of a warrior's training in every historical army, and even modern armies, that I can think of for obvious reasons.0 -
Dekkameron✭✭✭✭✭But speaking of realism, unarmed combat was part of a warrior's training in every historical army, and even modern armies, that I can think of for obvious reasons.
Hmm, i would have to argue with that, i don't think for example unarmed combat was ever strictly taught to your average soldier remotely medieval times. Sure people knew how to punch or kick others, but as an actual discipline? Maybe only Eastern nations.- Veteran Combat Librarian -0 -
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✭KiraTsukasa wrote: »ContraTempo wrote: »KiraTsukasa wrote: »Besides brawls, has hand to hand combat ever been in any Elder Scrolls game ever?
Besides, it really doesn't make any sense. "Hey, that guy's wearing full metal plate armor! I'm gonna go punch him!" See how that works out for you.
Don't you ever watch martial arts movies? I'm sure all that is real. ;-)
Yeah, I'm sure it is completely realistic when someone is scripted to fall down on a padded mat and act dead when fake punched.Dekkameron wrote: »ContraTempo wrote: »KiraTsukasa wrote: »Besides brawls, has hand to hand combat ever been in any Elder Scrolls game ever?
Besides, it really doesn't make any sense. "Hey, that guy's wearing full metal plate armor! I'm gonna go punch him!" See how that works out for you.
Don't you ever watch martial arts movies? I'm sure all that is real. ;-)
In Skyrim you could punch dragons to death easily, some bloke in armour is childsplay!
Sure, if you only play on novice difficulty and never fight anything beyond base level dragons. I guarantee you're not fighting legendary dragons on legendary difficulty unarmed.ProfessorKittyhawk wrote: »KiraTsukasa wrote: »Besides brawls, has hand to hand combat ever been in any Elder Scrolls game ever?
Besides, it really doesn't make any sense. "Hey, that guy's wearing full metal plate armor! I'm gonna go punch him!" See how that works out for you.
Pretty sure there were perks for fighting bare fisted in Skyrim. Khajiit did extra damage fighting unarmed. There were even special gloves you got from fighting a guy in the sewers beneath Riften called Gloves of the Pugilist that boosted unarmed damage.
All that combined for a whopping 47 damage. When you combine two handed perks and smithing and can have a weapon that deals 120+ damage (without using the restoration exploit), unarmed damage is unimpressive.
Never said it was good. Just said there is a precedent of bare handed combat being previous games since you didn't know if there was or not.0 -
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Oh? So, you think all that wrestling was just for the olympics, do you?Dekkameron wrote: »
Hmm, i would have to argue with that, i don't think for example unarmed combat was ever strictly taught to your average soldier remotely medieval times. Sure people knew how to punch or kick others, but as an actual discipline? Maybe only Eastern nations.But speaking of realism, unarmed combat was part of a warrior's training in every historical army, and even modern armies, that I can think of for obvious reasons.
The traditions may have been very different, but unarmed combat was always a part of any warrior training. Simply because if in the course of battle you find yourself without weapon due to loosing grip or breakage, you still would like to have some chance of getting through alive, if only by taking down one opponent and grabbing their weapon...
So, in western history it was more along the lines of wrestling, and "pugilism", aka boxing; while the eastern cultures were a bit more into kicks and fancy sounding names for all the different movements. And I guess they also worked a bit harder on their martial arts tradition then just "punch 'em inna face!"...
Now... you do however technically have a point... in that the "average soldier in medieval times" was basically a farmer "called to service" by the local lord, with often a mismatch of weapons and armor, and little to no formal training.
Professionals, as in Knights and so on, did however train in all forms of combat, though it is true that they spent more time on sword and lance then empty hands in their training, seeing wrestling and boxing more as friendly games then as training for war. Doesn't mean it didn't happen though.
As for the "punch through plate armor" thing... true, that's not gonna happen in any realistic setting. Heck, even punching faces is more likely to break a fingerbone or two then most people realize (why do you think boxeing went for padded gloves?).
But... armor doesn't protect against wrestling moves, knockdowns, joint locks, etc. So, if you can get past a armored opponents blade, they are hardly untouchable... wrestle them down on the ground, and dispatch them with a blade through the armor joints/eyeslits (though historically, anyone being able to afford fancy armor -was- worth taking alive, since there might be a hefty chunk of ransom for their return...)1 -
Medieval3D✭✭✭Would be really cool, a new Skill in Unarmed or Hand to hand skill, like in past Elder scrolls, I agree with new improvements to Hand to hand, I had good times in Oblivion improving my hand to hand skill
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Daymond✭✭✭Not sure if I am remembering right but I think I saw a group of kahjiit practicing empty handed combat somewhere. So can we just learn from them? 0 -
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✭✭KiraTsukasa wrote: »Besides brawls, has hand to hand combat ever been in any Elder Scrolls game ever?
Besides, it really doesn't make any sense. "Hey, that guy's wearing full metal plate armor! I'm gonna go punch him!" See how that works out for you.
I think that Hand to Hand is in Morrowind.0 -
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✭✭Dekkameron wrote: »But speaking of realism, unarmed combat was part of a warrior's training in every historical army, and even modern armies, that I can think of for obvious reasons.
Hmm, i would have to argue with that, i don't think for example unarmed combat was ever strictly taught to your average soldier remotely medieval times. Sure people knew how to punch or kick others, but as an actual discipline? Maybe only Eastern nations.
Actually,Pugilism was taught during medieval times in England.All the way up until now,and is part of their Military training.0 -
Daymond✭✭✭WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »KiraTsukasa wrote: »Besides brawls, has hand to hand combat ever been in any Elder Scrolls game ever?
Besides, it really doesn't make any sense. "Hey, that guy's wearing full metal plate armor! I'm gonna go punch him!" See how that works out for you.
I think that Hand to Hand is in Morrowind.
There is hand to hand skill lines in Daggerfall, Morrowind, and Oblivion.Edited by Daymond on August 23, 2015 5:00PM0