New player questions about dungeon group/group finder. [PS4]

Starlightz85 · August 2015

I've been playing about a month now, but haven't touched the game in days since one particular thing made me lose all desire to play. It was a horrible experience that made me realize this is the most inferior MMO on the market where getting a dungeon group together is concerned. My hope is that there is something I overlooked.

Basically I went to do my first group dungeon after reaching level 12. I went to group finder and it put me in queue. After queue was done I get paired with 3 other players. Here are where the issues begin:

I expected us to be taken to the dungeon and a healer to be in the party. So after the queue, I see a message that the party leader must queue us for a dungeon. Okay, so we waited and waited and nothing. After about 3 minutes I get a teleport notice asking me if I want to be taken to where party leader is. It takes me to Vulkul Guard. Now I can see the life bars of all party members in top left. To my confusion and bewilderment it showed our PSN IDs and not our character names. Seriously?? That makes no sense and breaks immersion. I hate my PSN name and would change it if Sony provided that option. Every MMO I have ever played, even on console, shows your character name, not your PSN ID, Curse ID, or whatever other ID that is not character name. The issues get worse. After being teleported to same place as party leader, I'm standing there for at least 5 minutes waiting for party leader to queue us up, then all of a sudden one of the other non-leader party members says on mic "Are you guys coming?" I'm confused not understanding what he is saying because we are here and just waiting on leader. I don't have a mic to reply to him. Then after a few more minutes of waiting I check map and see that one of us is at the dungeon location. That's when I discover you have to manually go to the dungeon and that there's a free teleport option. If so then why in the world did it say party leader has to queue us for dungeon if we have to walk there manually. That's not queuing, that's going there and entering like you would any solo dungeon. So myself and one other member are now in the dungeon and we end up waiting a good 15 minutes before the others figure out what I figured out about having to travel to dungeon. Eventually once we're all there, it turns out no one is a healer. After making it to first boss, one person left, and we went outside the dungeon to try and find a healer. But lo and behold there is no in-game text chat to shout for a healer, so LFM healer is out of the question. You have to hope a person standing near the dungeon happens to be a healer and invite them. After inviting someone it turns out they are not a healer. So we tried advancing without one, but could not beat the first boss. We came close on one attempt. We had to leave and repair twice and a few of us decided to abandon because the repair costs were crazy. Just 2 or 3 attempts of the boss and gear is already halfway down in durability. The whole thing was a nightmare and an hour wasted. I haven't touched the game since. If there's a way to solve this issue, I'll continue playing. Otherwise I'll be moving on.

Is there a way to display character name instead of PSN ID? What does it show for computer players?
Is there a way to find a healer besides hoping one just happens to be standing around outside of a dungeon?

bareheiny · August 2015

No.

No.

I think that answers the questions.

Gamertag displays essentially makes a mockery of any effort put into coming up with a lore friendly, race appropriate name. Well...in my view.

I haven't seen any way to force a balanced group either...not that it bothers me to be honest, I tend to run instances as a healer.

And finding another group member relies on in-game communication....which is limited to voice. Unless you have a healer / tank / dps in your guild(s) who happens to be on and wants to join you, or somebody happens to be in the immediate area you're out of luck.

edit: I believe the PC folk have access to something called "add-ons" which allow (amongst other things) allow character names to be displayed. Although I honestly struggle to see why one would need third-party modifications to do something that should be part of the core game design.

Kammakazi · August 2015

Us console players just need to endure all the problems we have now..

Dahkoht · August 2015

It's impossible to use character names instead of gamertags because Microsoft and Sony require the gamertags instead.

Except for every other mmo out on consoles.

niccolo91 · August 2015

OP use your mic. This is 2015 not 2003, if you had a mic it might be easier to communicate to others and you wouldn't have to sit around waiting hoping they knew where to go, you could have just told them. If you had a mic you could go to a busy town and ask if anyone wanted to do dungeon with you ie. LFG need healer. It seems like you are setting yourself up for a bad experience if you don't have proper tools to begin with. I agree though that the in game group finder is horrible, get a mic, join guilds make friends make enemies it's what MMO are about.

delushin · August 2015

That is certainly not a good experience, I do not believe there is a way to change the name that is displayed and I have no idea why it wasn't part of the release to have your character name.

I think the best thing you should do is look towards finding a guild that is in your play time and does PvE, by doing this you will eliminate the need to use the group finder and increase the chance of having a good run. I know this is not a good thing to say for those that want to solo the game and this game certainly does cater towards that with poor global group questing mechanics, however it also shines when in a good guild.

Not having a mic doesn't help and I don't want to get into the argument of voice comms and the percentage that can use them versus those that cant for all types of reasons.

As for finding a healer I know you can select your roles when looking for a group and of course you would expect others to do so as well, I don't think the system specifically does a look up on the class though as any class can heal or off heal really at those levels.

TL;DR

Join guild and group from there, it adds a level of quality control

Mighty_oakk · August 2015

Eso on console has no business calling itself an mmo

bareheiny · August 2015

niccolo91 wrote: »

OP use your mic. This is 2015 not 2003, if you had a mic it might be easier to communicate to others and you wouldn't have to sit around waiting hoping they knew where to go, you could have just told them. If you had a mic you could go to a busy town and ask if anyone wanted to do dungeon with you ie. LFG need healer. It seems like you are setting yourself up for a bad experience if you don't have proper tools to begin with. I agree though that the in game group finder is horrible, get a mic, join guilds make friends make enemies it's what MMO are about.

o.O

Roam from city to city asking if there are any healers around interested in running a dungeon....over a cacophony of random music, folk trying to sell their items, promote their guilds and insult each other?

2015 not 2013? Dammit....maybe I need to tell the phone makers and telcos not to worry about texts anymore - obviously they're behind the times and voice is the way of the future!

MikeB · August 2015

To save u time reading anymore comments. Move on to another game, ESO doesn't have the basics of any other mmo, be it text chat, a good lfg tool, an auction system worth using, damage/health numbers, DPS/HP's numbers, if u think something is standard in an mmo there's a very good chance its not in ESO.

uriangelub17_ESO · August 2015

Play it as a Single Player game, get a guild for when you need a dungeon, or waste time trying to get people from town to join your party. Not every game as LFG, and trying to get some people to play with can be a enriching experience, albeit time consuming.

It depends what you like. I've found that I don't enjoy ESO as a MMO, when I play it will be as SP game, but as mmo I can't find any reason to play it

Starlightz85 · August 2015

Okay, thanks for the replies. I can't find my mic and don't have the money for one, even if it was a $10 mic. The only reason I'm playing ESO over something like FFXIV at moment is because of money issues from August to however many months it will take for medical issues, so I needed a free to play alternative to feed my MMO love until I can return.

I may or may not try looking for my mic again and trying to painfully find a healer. Actually, I'm giving myself 2 options if I keep playing:

1. Start putting points into restoration staff and become a healer, but not sure if you get enough skill points total to fill out both destruction and restoration, while also filling out clothier crafting, light armor, and mage's guild skill lines.
2. Ignore group dungeons altogether and just do all other content, but then I would be missing out on good loot, experience, and gold.

Eriquito3 · August 2015

Starlightz85 wrote: »

Okay, thanks for the replies. I can't find my mic and don't have the money for one, even if it was a $10 mic. The only reason I'm playing ESO over something like FFXIV at moment is because of money issues from August to however many months it will take for medical issues, so I needed a free to play alternative to feed my MMO love until I can return.

I may or may not try looking for my mic again and trying to painfully find a healer. Actually, I'm giving myself 2 options if I keep playing:

1. Start putting points into restoration staff and become a healer, but not sure if you get enough skill points total to fill out both destruction and restoration, while also filling out clothier crafting, light armor, and mage's guild skill lines.
2. Ignore group dungeons altogether and just do all other content, but then I would be missing out on good loot, experience, and gold.

You will have plently of skill points to fill up both resto and destro staves with plenty left over for just about anything else you want to pit them into.

I am currently just doing the solo missions in eso, there are tons of them, and hoping they will add text chat soon.
But as far as an mmo itch I dontnthink you will be able to scratch it with eso as the game is right now. I would suggest looking into DCUO its free to play, its decent,. I heard neverwinter isnt too bad either (im not sure if neverwinter is on ps4)

I feel your pain man.

bareheiny · August 2015

Starlightz85 wrote: »

Okay, thanks for the replies. I can't find my mic and don't have the money for one, even if it was a $10 mic. The only reason I'm playing ESO over something like FFXIV at moment is because of money issues from August to however many months it will take for medical issues, so I needed a free to play alternative to feed my MMO love until I can return.

I may or may not try looking for my mic again and trying to painfully find a healer. Actually, I'm giving myself 2 options if I keep playing:

1. Start putting points into restoration staff and become a healer, but not sure if you get enough skill points total to fill out both destruction and restoration, while also filling out clothier crafting, light armor, and mage's guild skill lines.
2. Ignore group dungeons altogether and just do all other content, but then I would be missing out on good loot, experience, and gold.

I believe there are somewhere around 300 skill points available, so you should be good.

One option to consider is creating an alt who handles the crafting side of things - would free up a few points.

I'm not a massive mic user - and I haven't had much problem with the leveling dungeons....actually, I don't think I ever heard anybody say anything when I was in group running them.

icontested · August 2015

MikeB wrote: »

To save u time reading anymore comments. Move on to another game, ESO doesn't have the basics of any other mmo, be it text chat, a good lfg tool, an auction system worth using, damage/health numbers, DPS/HP's numbers, if u think something is standard in an mmo there's a very good chance its not in ESO.

My my my.. Fun.. Brings a smile to my face and its what we are about to do.

You need to understand that these "other games" you are making references too have been out for so long they have had plenty of time to modify a winning formula. Some games were so easy to modify due to the graphics being weak.. Not nearly enough code to edit and so on. So knowing it is so easy to modify these inferior games you can understand why it might take longer here.

Of course you can say "they" have had enough time to fix things, but this is console. X1 and PS4 players. While some feature upgrades would be nice I don't mind waiting. Now you say its on PC why not with console release. I would say if you get a haircut if you cut off hair its off. You have to wait for the hair to grow back. Or just cut a little hair at a time.

I don't mind using the mic. I've never had a problem with meeting, making friends. If I want to organize a dungeon I can easily get one together. I can create friends and groups faster than a efficient app. Maybe I'm just awesome

As far as stat numbers in combat I think its not something that can never be implemented. Maybe it never will but in the end this game has a solid core. It's only going to go up. Most players who have come to eso do not read forums. I have yet to talk to someone who doesn't like eso.

Lets walk a mile in their shoes. No one wants to truly give you a bad experience in the video game industry. It's going to come together nicely. Like I said, the core is strong

MikeB · August 2015

icontested wrote: »

MikeB wrote: »

To save u time reading anymore comments. Move on to another game, ESO doesn't have the basics of any other mmo, be it text chat, a good lfg tool, an auction system worth using, damage/health numbers, DPS/HP's numbers, if u think something is standard in an mmo there's a very good chance its not in ESO.

My my my.. Fun.. Brings a smile to my face and its what we are about to do.

You need to understand that these "other games" you are making references too have been out for so long they have had plenty of time to modify a winning formula. Some games were so easy to modify due to the graphics being weak.. Not nearly enough code to edit and so on. So knowing it is so easy to modify these inferior games you can understand why it might take longer here.

Of course you can say "they" have had enough time to fix things, but this is console. X1 and PS4 players. While some feature upgrades would be nice I don't mind waiting. Now you say its on PC why not with console release. I would say if you get a haircut if you cut off hair its off. You have to wait for the hair to grow back. Or just cut a little hair at a time.

I don't mind using the mic. I've never had a problem with meeting, making friends. If I want to organize a dungeon I can easily get one together. I can create friends and groups faster than a efficient app. Maybe I'm just awesome

As far as stat numbers in combat I think its not something that can never be implemented. Maybe it never will but in the end this game has a solid core. It's only going to go up. Most players who have come to eso do not read forums. I have yet to talk to someone who doesn't like eso.

Lets walk a mile in their shoes. No one wants to truly give you a bad experience in the video game industry. It's going to come together nicely. Like I said, the core is strong

Skyrim had damage and health numbers, why not ESO? I mean its plug and play. See, all those other games already did the work for you, so again plug and play. They are trying to reinvent the wheel and its coming out square. I would be more forgiving or hopeful if they at least communicated with the player base.

icontested · August 2015

MikeB wrote: »

icontested wrote: »

MikeB wrote: »

To save u time reading anymore comments. Move on to another game, ESO doesn't have the basics of any other mmo, be it text chat, a good lfg tool, an auction system worth using, damage/health numbers, DPS/HP's numbers, if u think something is standard in an mmo there's a very good chance its not in ESO.

My my my.. Fun.. Brings a smile to my face and its what we are about to do.

You need to understand that these "other games" you are making references too have been out for so long they have had plenty of time to modify a winning formula. Some games were so easy to modify due to the graphics being weak.. Not nearly enough code to edit and so on. So knowing it is so easy to modify these inferior games you can understand why it might take longer here.

Of course you can say "they" have had enough time to fix things, but this is console. X1 and PS4 players. While some feature upgrades would be nice I don't mind waiting. Now you say its on PC why not with console release. I would say if you get a haircut if you cut off hair its off. You have to wait for the hair to grow back. Or just cut a little hair at a time.

I don't mind using the mic. I've never had a problem with meeting, making friends. If I want to organize a dungeon I can easily get one together. I can create friends and groups faster than a efficient app. Maybe I'm just awesome

As far as stat numbers in combat I think its not something that can never be implemented. Maybe it never will but in the end this game has a solid core. It's only going to go up. Most players who have come to eso do not read forums. I have yet to talk to someone who doesn't like eso.

Lets walk a mile in their shoes. No one wants to truly give you a bad experience in the video game industry. It's going to come together nicely. Like I said, the core is strong

Skyrim had damage and health numbers, why not ESO? I mean its plug and play. See, all those other games already did the work for you, so again plug and play. They are trying to reinvent the wheel and its coming out square. I would be more forgiving or hopeful if they at least communicated with the player base.

I heard that, and respect it. I know what you are saying but I don't think its that serious right now. Plus lets be real, they are doing a lot of new things. It's working and its going to continue to work. You need to focus on the positives that heavily outweigh the few nnegatives.

Eriquito3 · August 2015

icontested wrote: »

MikeB wrote: »

icontested wrote: »

MikeB wrote: »

To save u time reading anymore comments. Move on to another game, ESO doesn't have the basics of any other mmo, be it text chat, a good lfg tool, an auction system worth using, damage/health numbers, DPS/HP's numbers, if u think something is standard in an mmo there's a very good chance its not in ESO.

My my my.. Fun.. Brings a smile to my face and its what we are about to do.

You need to understand that these "other games" you are making references too have been out for so long they have had plenty of time to modify a winning formula. Some games were so easy to modify due to the graphics being weak.. Not nearly enough code to edit and so on. So knowing it is so easy to modify these inferior games you can understand why it might take longer here.

Of course you can say "they" have had enough time to fix things, but this is console. X1 and PS4 players. While some feature upgrades would be nice I don't mind waiting. Now you say its on PC why not with console release. I would say if you get a haircut if you cut off hair its off. You have to wait for the hair to grow back. Or just cut a little hair at a time.

I don't mind using the mic. I've never had a problem with meeting, making friends. If I want to organize a dungeon I can easily get one together. I can create friends and groups faster than a efficient app. Maybe I'm just awesome

As far as stat numbers in combat I think its not something that can never be implemented. Maybe it never will but in the end this game has a solid core. It's only going to go up. Most players who have come to eso do not read forums. I have yet to talk to someone who doesn't like eso.

Lets walk a mile in their shoes. No one wants to truly give you a bad experience in the video game industry. It's going to come together nicely. Like I said, the core is strong

Skyrim had damage and health numbers, why not ESO? I mean its plug and play. See, all those other games already did the work for you, so again plug and play. They are trying to reinvent the wheel and its coming out square. I would be more forgiving or hopeful if they at least communicated with the player base.

I heard that, and respect it. I know what you are saying but I don't think its that serious right now. Plus lets be real, they are doing a lot of new things. It's working and its going to continue to work. You need to focus on the positives that heavily outweigh the few nnegatives.

Its not working when new players are quitting because of the lack of basic features mmos have.

icontested · August 2015

Lets talk exact numbers.. However, we can't. We don't know the total player count. We don't know the amount of dissatisfieds. We also don't know how many new players are onboard each month. I do know that I see lots of new people every day who are more than happy playing the game.

Eriquito3 · August 2015

icontested wrote: »

Lets talk exact numbers.. However, we can't. We don't know the total player count. We don't know the amount of dissatisfieds. We also don't know how many new players are onboard each month. I do know that I see lots of new people every day who are more than happy playing the game.

We dont know exact numbers, but we can get a generalised idea that there is quite a few players that are dissatisfied based off the number of threads on and off this forum about the same exact topics the OP is talking about here.

Siniztor · August 2015

icontested wrote: »

Lets talk exact numbers.. However, we can't. We don't know the total player count. We don't know the amount of dissatisfieds. We also don't know how many new players are onboard each month. I do know that I see lots of new people every day who are more than happy playing the game.

heres some ps4 numbers for ya..Look in your trophys..

Of the people who installed the game
10.1% have completed the main story
10.4% have reached level 50
9.6% have soent there first champion point lol

Those numbers say 1 of 2 things...Alot of people tried it and left...or alot of people are really really slow lol

Eriquito3 · August 2015

Siniztor wrote: »

icontested wrote: »

Lets talk exact numbers.. However, we can't. We don't know the total player count. We don't know the amount of dissatisfieds. We also don't know how many new players are onboard each month. I do know that I see lots of new people every day who are more than happy playing the game.

heres some ps4 numbers for ya..Look in your trophys..

Of the people who installed the game
10.1% have completed the main story
10.4% have reached level 50
9.6% have soent there first champion point lol

Those numbers say 1 of 2 things...Alot of people tried it and left...or alot of people are really really slow lol

What are the numbers of people completeing starter zone dungeons? Just curious

bareheiny · August 2015

Siniztor wrote: »

Those numbers say 1 of 2 things...Alot of people tried it and left...or alot of people are really really slow lol

Put me in the slow camp.

I got a character to l36 after starting about a week or two after console launch.

At which point, I decided I didn't like the look of her anymore, and create a new character....so I'm now at l5.

Tholian1 · August 2015

Siniztor wrote: »

icontested wrote: »

Lets talk exact numbers.. However, we can't. We don't know the total player count. We don't know the amount of dissatisfieds. We also don't know how many new players are onboard each month. I do know that I see lots of new people every day who are more than happy playing the game.

heres some ps4 numbers for ya..Look in your trophys..

Of the people who installed the game
10.1% have completed the main story
10.4% have reached level 50
9.6% have soent there first champion point lol

Those numbers say 1 of 2 things...Alot of people tried it and left...or alot of people are really really slow lol

Couch casuals that invite you to their "active" guild and then play Destiny instead.
Thanks for that guild invite guys.

icontested · August 2015

Casuals! Plus my friends list trophy percentages are way different. I only have friends who have good taste in games.

I think at this point lets drink some green tea and play eso

Siniztor · August 2015

Eriquito3 wrote: »

Siniztor wrote: »

icontested wrote: »

Lets talk exact numbers.. However, we can't. We don't know the total player count. We don't know the amount of dissatisfieds. We also don't know how many new players are onboard each month. I do know that I see lots of new people every day who are more than happy playing the game.

heres some ps4 numbers for ya..Look in your trophys..

Of the people who installed the game
10.1% have completed the main story
10.4% have reached level 50
9.6% have soent there first champion point lol

Those numbers say 1 of 2 things...Alot of people tried it and left...or alot of people are really really slow lol

What are the numbers of people completeing starter zone dungeons? Just curious

Chapter 1 - 94.2%
Ch 1.5 - 73.2%
ch 2 50.7%
Ch 2.5 - 36.8 %
Ch 3 - 28.5%
Ch 3.5 - 21.5%
Ch 4 - 18.3%
Ch 4.5 - 15.5%
Ch 5 13.2%
Ch 5.5 12.7%
Ch 6 10.1%

MrGrimey · August 2015

MikeB wrote: »

To save u time reading anymore comments. Move on to another game, ESO doesn't have the basics of any other mmo, be it text chat, a good lfg tool, an auction system worth using, damage/health numbers, DPS/HP's numbers, if u think something is standard in an mmo there's a very good chance its not in ESO.

Haha, this is so true... Sad

Draghorn · August 2015

Seems to be a massive drop-off around Chapter 2. (By the way I'm a new PC player that started about a week ago. I don't think I've even made it to Chapter 1.5 yet. -_-)