mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »On live it's a toss-up between NB and Sorc at the moment and the poll so far reflects that. It's hard to pick
Both mobile, both bursty. Sorc is more survivable with shields and bolt, while NB certainly has better burst damage and CC. If it wasn't for the way Armor and Spell pen works on 1.6 (armor gets completely penetrated, while spell res can be stacked to the roof) then I'd say Sorc.
DKs and Temps are fairly good stamina builds too, but offer less group utility then NBs. Whereas as Magicka builds they are either heal-bots or perma-blockers, which is boring at best.
leepalmer95 wrote: »YurtTheSilentChief wrote: »MightyMalloy wrote: »People saying Templar... Have you ever faced a Templar, hahaha they die so quickly!
I have seen a few templars more tanky than DK, there was a player who was lvl42 in non veteran PvP was able to block all damage from enemy players and spawn Meteor over and over again.
a lvl 42 with meteor is impossible.
nah its not, if you collecd all book across your ally/cyro/dungeons and complet the mageguild quest line you can have Meteor on lvl 41
danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »On live it's a toss-up between NB and Sorc at the moment and the poll so far reflects that. It's hard to pick
Both mobile, both bursty. Sorc is more survivable with shields and bolt, while NB certainly has better burst damage and CC. If it wasn't for the way Armor and Spell pen works on 1.6 (armor gets completely penetrated, while spell res can be stacked to the roof) then I'd say Sorc.
DKs and Temps are fairly good stamina builds too, but offer less group utility then NBs. Whereas as Magicka builds they are either heal-bots or perma-blockers, which is boring at best.
You can DPS your butt off with a magicka Templars. 1 bar for damage and one for healing is easily doable. My VR5 has a base damage above 10k for radiant oppression. With inner light and entropy, along with the bonus upgrades native to the spell I can hit some people for about 50k. Go ahead and find me another non ultimate that gets near those figures. Furthurmore I can still heal my rump off at the same time with breath of life.
Up until recently I was in full heavy armor and I was worried that moving to light would leave me dead way too often. Instead I'm melting everything. Been killing VR14s like they are level 20s.
omfgitsbatman wrote: »Question is really vague:
Which class is the best at ganking? Nightblades
Which class is hardest to kill one on one? Sorcerer
Which class is the most survivable when being beaten on by 3+? DK
Which class is the best in a zerg? Templar
QuebraRegra wrote: »wha? How is the DK not the obvious winner here, with the Sorcerer as a close tie?
Then the insta-heal Templar....
Then a NB, maybe on the odd Thursday. Except for a snipe/gank, or a sustained Magicka cloak build (only really good for escaping, and easily broken), the NB is the only one without a decent self heal, or dmg shield to speak of.
QuebraRegra wrote: »wha? How is the DK not the obvious winner here, with the Sorcerer as a close tie?
Then the insta-heal Templar....
Then a NB, maybe on the odd Thursday. Except for a snipe/gank, or a sustained Magicka cloak build (only really good for escaping, and easily broken), the NB is the only one without a decent self heal, or dmg shield to speak of.
You're not playing it right. Seriously. NBs rule Cyrodiil. Half the people in all the guilds I"m in have re-rolled and leveled NBs just to take advantage of it's OPness.
DK? Yeah, a year ago, maybe.
QuebraRegra wrote: »QuebraRegra wrote: »wha? How is the DK not the obvious winner here, with the Sorcerer as a close tie?
Then the insta-heal Templar....
Then a NB, maybe on the odd Thursday. Except for a snipe/gank, or a sustained Magicka cloak build (only really good for escaping, and easily broken), the NB is the only one without a decent self heal, or dmg shield to speak of.
You're not playing it right. Seriously. NBs rule Cyrodiil. Half the people in all the guilds I"m in have re-rolled and leveled NBs just to take advantage of it's OPness.
DK? Yeah, a year ago, maybe.
Anybody can roll with a group and combine the NB burst potential... agreed devastating. Solo, it's as I said above.
Zergs will be zergs, being far outnumbered is NO indication of how OP a class might be. FACT.
QuebraRegra wrote: »QuebraRegra wrote: »wha? How is the DK not the obvious winner here, with the Sorcerer as a close tie?
Then the insta-heal Templar....
Then a NB, maybe on the odd Thursday. Except for a snipe/gank, or a sustained Magicka cloak build (only really good for escaping, and easily broken), the NB is the only one without a decent self heal, or dmg shield to speak of.
You're not playing it right. Seriously. NBs rule Cyrodiil. Half the people in all the guilds I"m in have re-rolled and leveled NBs just to take advantage of it's OPness.
DK? Yeah, a year ago, maybe.
Anybody can roll with a group and combine the NB burst potential... agreed devastating. Solo, it's as I said above.
Zergs will be zergs, being far outnumbered is NO indication of how OP a class might be. FACT.
Only the very best PLAYERS can play and survive outnumbered, regardless of class. FACT.
NB's rack up ridiculous kill ratios, farming massive AP. FACT.
If a player can't do that, they are not doing it right. FACT.
QuebraRegra wrote: »QuebraRegra wrote: »QuebraRegra wrote: »wha? How is the DK not the obvious winner here, with the Sorcerer as a close tie?
Then the insta-heal Templar....
Then a NB, maybe on the odd Thursday. Except for a snipe/gank, or a sustained Magicka cloak build (only really good for escaping, and easily broken), the NB is the only one without a decent self heal, or dmg shield to speak of.
You're not playing it right. Seriously. NBs rule Cyrodiil. Half the people in all the guilds I"m in have re-rolled and leveled NBs just to take advantage of it's OPness.
DK? Yeah, a year ago, maybe.
Anybody can roll with a group and combine the NB burst potential... agreed devastating. Solo, it's as I said above.
Zergs will be zergs, being far outnumbered is NO indication of how OP a class might be. FACT.
Only the very best PLAYERS can play and survive outnumbered, regardless of class. FACT.
NB's rack up ridiculous kill ratios, farming massive AP. FACT.
If a player can't do that, they are not doing it right. FACT.
Sorta facts...
Any exploit build with any sense has a much better chance of surviving a group encounter... FACT
NB gankers who stay out of large conflicts, or stay on the periphery and "horse snipe" lone players will have good KD (does KD really matter?)... FACT
Some can do what others cannot by exploit, CP, macros, and addons.... FACT (you confirm you do this in your own threads tsk, tsk.)
This is fun, let's do this all day.
QuebraRegra wrote: »wha? How is the DK not the obvious winner here, with the Sorcerer as a close tie?
Here we go again. You guys keep getting ganked by NBs and think they're the best. If you think that all PVP is is 1 on 1 ganking, then sure, NBs are probably the best.
DKs hands down win battles.
QuebraRegra wrote: »QuebraRegra wrote: »QuebraRegra wrote: »wha? How is the DK not the obvious winner here, with the Sorcerer as a close tie?
Then the insta-heal Templar....
Then a NB, maybe on the odd Thursday. Except for a snipe/gank, or a sustained Magicka cloak build (only really good for escaping, and easily broken), the NB is the only one without a decent self heal, or dmg shield to speak of.
You're not playing it right. Seriously. NBs rule Cyrodiil. Half the people in all the guilds I"m in have re-rolled and leveled NBs just to take advantage of it's OPness.
DK? Yeah, a year ago, maybe.
Anybody can roll with a group and combine the NB burst potential... agreed devastating. Solo, it's as I said above.
Zergs will be zergs, being far outnumbered is NO indication of how OP a class might be. FACT.
Only the very best PLAYERS can play and survive outnumbered, regardless of class. FACT.
NB's rack up ridiculous kill ratios, farming massive AP. FACT.
If a player can't do that, they are not doing it right. FACT.
Sorta facts...
Any exploit build with any sense has a much better chance of surviving a group encounter... FACT
NB gankers who stay out of large conflicts, or stay on the periphery and "horse snipe" lone players will have good KD (does KD really matter?)... FACT
Some can do what others cannot by exploit, CP, macros, and addons.... FACT (you confirm you do this in your own threads tsk, tsk.)
This is fun, let's do this all day.
Excuse me, but what is it exactly that you feel I am confirming in my own threads?
This has gotten off point. My point is that NBs are the most OP class in the game. NBs rack up kills, gain AP and exp faster, on average, than any other class. Nothing you have said refutes that. Of course a V1 NB is going to struggle in PVP, just like any V1. Of course some builds are better than others, no question about that. Is being a NB the ticket to easy PVP and godlike abilities? No, it's not. But NBs account for more kills than any other class, and you can't deny that. Kills bring AP, that is a fact. No other class is feared as much as NBs, and I don't think you can deny that. Every time I kill one, I smile
Here we go again. You guys keep getting ganked by NBs and think they're the best. If you think that all PVP is is 1 on 1 ganking, then sure, NBs are probably the best.
DKs hands down win battles.
Says the guy who's signature line shows he plays a NB.
The burst damage of NBs make the indispensable in battles. If your group isn't loaded with them, you won't win against one who's is.
QuebraRegra wrote: »QuebraRegra wrote: »QuebraRegra wrote: »wha? How is the DK not the obvious winner here, with the Sorcerer as a close tie?
Then the insta-heal Templar....
Then a NB, maybe on the odd Thursday. Except for a snipe/gank, or a sustained Magicka cloak build (only really good for escaping, and easily broken), the NB is the only one without a decent self heal, or dmg shield to speak of.
You're not playing it right. Seriously. NBs rule Cyrodiil. Half the people in all the guilds I"m in have re-rolled and leveled NBs just to take advantage of it's OPness.
DK? Yeah, a year ago, maybe.
Anybody can roll with a group and combine the NB burst potential... agreed devastating. Solo, it's as I said above.
Zergs will be zergs, being far outnumbered is NO indication of how OP a class might be. FACT.
Only the very best PLAYERS can play and survive outnumbered, regardless of class. FACT.
NB's rack up ridiculous kill ratios, farming massive AP. FACT.
If a player can't do that, they are not doing it right. FACT.
Sorta facts...
Any exploit build with any sense has a much better chance of surviving a group encounter... FACT
NB gankers who stay out of large conflicts, or stay on the periphery and "horse snipe" lone players will have good KD (does KD really matter?)... FACT
Some can do what others cannot by exploit, CP, macros, and addons.... FACT (you confirm you do this in your own threads tsk, tsk.)
This is fun, let's do this all day.
Excuse me, but what is it exactly that you feel I am confirming in my own threads?
This has gotten off point. My point is that NBs are the most OP class in the game. NBs rack up kills, gain AP and exp faster, on average, than any other class. Nothing you have said refutes that. Of course a V1 NB is going to struggle in PVP, just like any V1. Of course some builds are better than others, no question about that. Is being a NB the ticket to easy PVP and godlike abilities? No, it's not. But NBs account for more kills than any other class, and you can't deny that. Kills bring AP, that is a fact. No other class is feared as much as NBs, and I don't think you can deny that. Every time I kill one, I smile
QuebraRegra wrote: »QuebraRegra wrote: »QuebraRegra wrote: »QuebraRegra wrote: »wha? How is the DK not the obvious winner here, with the Sorcerer as a close tie?
Then the insta-heal Templar....
Then a NB, maybe on the odd Thursday. Except for a snipe/gank, or a sustained Magicka cloak build (only really good for escaping, and easily broken), the NB is the only one without a decent self heal, or dmg shield to speak of.
You're not playing it right. Seriously. NBs rule Cyrodiil. Half the people in all the guilds I"m in have re-rolled and leveled NBs just to take advantage of it's OPness.
DK? Yeah, a year ago, maybe.
Anybody can roll with a group and combine the NB burst potential... agreed devastating. Solo, it's as I said above.
Zergs will be zergs, being far outnumbered is NO indication of how OP a class might be. FACT.
Only the very best PLAYERS can play and survive outnumbered, regardless of class. FACT.
NB's rack up ridiculous kill ratios, farming massive AP. FACT.
If a player can't do that, they are not doing it right. FACT.
Sorta facts...
Any exploit build with any sense has a much better chance of surviving a group encounter... FACT
NB gankers who stay out of large conflicts, or stay on the periphery and "horse snipe" lone players will have good KD (does KD really matter?)... FACT
Some can do what others cannot by exploit, CP, macros, and addons.... FACT (you confirm you do this in your own threads tsk, tsk.)
This is fun, let's do this all day.
Excuse me, but what is it exactly that you feel I am confirming in my own threads?
This has gotten off point. My point is that NBs are the most OP class in the game. NBs rack up kills, gain AP and exp faster, on average, than any other class. Nothing you have said refutes that. Of course a V1 NB is going to struggle in PVP, just like any V1. Of course some builds are better than others, no question about that. Is being a NB the ticket to easy PVP and godlike abilities? No, it's not. But NBs account for more kills than any other class, and you can't deny that. Kills bring AP, that is a fact. No other class is feared as much as NBs, and I don't think you can deny that. Every time I kill one, I smile
That's funny, I feel the same way about DKs. What's the proof that NBs get more kills than any other class? Not when I've been killed, that's for sure. I luv it when I get the NB kills from the bounty board, easy kills. Maybe more people play with NB? I don't have any stats to prove it either way.
I'm not picking on you, you have yer own perspective which is valid to you. I'm thinking a bigger sample size is in order? You use MACROS and add-ons, therefore you have an advantage over others who don't use them. "Some can do what others cannot"... you forgot to mention because of CPs, addons, and macros.
DK heals and jump is just *** and OP. Sorc I think is one of the weakest, little to no heals at all, plus being a vampire with a bugged out health regen even when specced into it, broken? Most things are..
QuebraRegra wrote: »QuebraRegra wrote: »QuebraRegra wrote: »QuebraRegra wrote: »wha? How is the DK not the obvious winner here, with the Sorcerer as a close tie?
Then the insta-heal Templar....
Then a NB, maybe on the odd Thursday. Except for a snipe/gank, or a sustained Magicka cloak build (only really good for escaping, and easily broken), the NB is the only one without a decent self heal, or dmg shield to speak of.
You're not playing it right. Seriously. NBs rule Cyrodiil. Half the people in all the guilds I"m in have re-rolled and leveled NBs just to take advantage of it's OPness.
DK? Yeah, a year ago, maybe.
Anybody can roll with a group and combine the NB burst potential... agreed devastating. Solo, it's as I said above.
Zergs will be zergs, being far outnumbered is NO indication of how OP a class might be. FACT.
Only the very best PLAYERS can play and survive outnumbered, regardless of class. FACT.
NB's rack up ridiculous kill ratios, farming massive AP. FACT.
If a player can't do that, they are not doing it right. FACT.
Sorta facts...
Any exploit build with any sense has a much better chance of surviving a group encounter... FACT
NB gankers who stay out of large conflicts, or stay on the periphery and "horse snipe" lone players will have good KD (does KD really matter?)... FACT
Some can do what others cannot by exploit, CP, macros, and addons.... FACT (you confirm you do this in your own threads tsk, tsk.)
This is fun, let's do this all day.
Excuse me, but what is it exactly that you feel I am confirming in my own threads?
This has gotten off point. My point is that NBs are the most OP class in the game. NBs rack up kills, gain AP and exp faster, on average, than any other class. Nothing you have said refutes that. Of course a V1 NB is going to struggle in PVP, just like any V1. Of course some builds are better than others, no question about that. Is being a NB the ticket to easy PVP and godlike abilities? No, it's not. But NBs account for more kills than any other class, and you can't deny that. Kills bring AP, that is a fact. No other class is feared as much as NBs, and I don't think you can deny that. Every time I kill one, I smile
That's funny, I feel the same way about DKs. What's the proof that NBs get more kills than any other class? Not when I've been killed, that's for sure. I luv it when I get the NB kills from the bounty board, easy kills. Maybe more people play with NB? I don't have any stats to prove it either way.
I'm not picking on you, you have yer own perspective which is valid to you. I'm thinking a bigger sample size is in order? You use MACROS and add-ons, therefore you have an advantage over others who don't use them. "Some can do what others cannot"... you forgot to mention because of CPs, addons, and macros.
I do NOT use Macros for combat. The only macros I use are the Wykkyd outfitter macros. I use lots of add-ons, none of which give my an advantage in combat. I'm not sure how you got the impression that I used macros, but that is a false accusation and I don't appreciate it.