What's up with the Focused Aim ability?

Kammakazi · August 2015

At times I'll just die instantly because 3 or 4 of them hit me all at once.

What gives?

Goldie · August 2015

Macro users.

Goldie · August 2015

I have also seen this happen with sorc abilities. All of the sudden you get hit with 5 abilities within the span of a second, and the death recap shows 5 unique hits for damage, but only one animation was played, all in the course of 1 second, no joke.

Kammakazi · August 2015

Goldie wrote: »

Macro users.

Forgot to say console

GreenSoup2HoT · August 2015

Console just has terrible connection. Literally everyone is running around with 200+ ping. There are time's were i've ambushed and used bat swarm, then i end up dead at my original location before i ambushed.

It really only happen's in the campaigns that are full for each alliance.

I agree though, it is very frustrating to be hit with 4 Snipe's without notice of the first. It's worse with fire siege, you will take both tick's at the same time if you lag even slightly.
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This terrible connection also make's "Break Free" useless because you end up breaking out at the end of the stun wasting resource. Sometime's you drain ton's of stamina because i feel there is a bug where you can break free multiple time's before the server register's the first.
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There's a reason i play nb, prolonged fight's are terrible compared to pc. I feel sorry for who ever i kill though, they are probably dead before they even know im around.

dlepi24 · August 2015

It's super annoying. All 3 snipes just hit at once and you're done with. Then the kid comes and teabags you as if there was anything you could've done to prevent it.

Itoq · August 2015

This happens on PC as well. Multiple skill hits, one sound, one to no animation.

Animations sometimes clip also - and I don't mean animation cancelling - I mean like you see a long cast skill (wb etc.) start and it hits you within .25 seconds or well before an animation cancelled long cast skill should have hit.

This stuff can happen when there is no apparent lag going on.

I don't know the cause or whether some players know how to do this. Macros? Player induced lag? Scripts? It does seem that certain players do it over and over - maybe simply due to play style? Dunno, other than it is apparent that there is some bad net code going on.

This has been going on for quite awhile PC side. As far as I know, it has never been acknowledged by ZoS.

I suspect that it all has to do with how character info/actions are fed to other clients when that info was not on the other client to start the present engagement - but that is merely a guess based on when this happens and from who.

Also, macro capable console controllers were linked in another thread.

Molag_Crow · August 2015

Yeah got hit for 17k focus aim then 10k straight after, and so on.

AJ_1988 · August 2015

Lag and the camo hunter exploit needs fixin. Hey kam i remember you had some good battles against you in the past.

Ace_of_Destiny · August 2015

Kammakazi wrote: »

Goldie wrote: »

Macro users.

Forgot to say console

You can do macro's on console.
I am not going to openly post how though.

revonine · August 2015

Yeah this happened to me again just this morning. Character says ouch as if she's been hit and next thing I drop dead from full health. death recap shows 4 snipes for around 5K each. Thats not the funny part though. The funny thing is 3 should have killed me as I've only 15K health lol.

starkerealm · August 2015

dlepi24 wrote: »

It's super annoying. All 3 snipes just hit at once and you're done with. Then the kid comes and teabags you as if there was anything you could've done to prevent it.

Report 'em. Revenge is a dish best served to puerile kids.

Junglejim82 · August 2015

I started a topic about this yesterday. Was told lag but not buying it for a second if lag why does it specifically only happen with focused aim ? Could it be lag switching? Let's not argue whether they exist on console destiny's 1st dlc proved they do

leepalmer95 · August 2015

Junglejim82 wrote: »

I started a topic about this yesterday. Was told lag but not buying it for a second if lag why does it specifically only happen with focused aim ? Could it be lag switching? Let's not argue whether they exist on console destiny's 1st dlc proved they do

It's just basic server lag, combined with the fact focused aim seems to shot fast for have a charge time, you can't even see the arrow either.

bugmom · August 2015

Seems like more and more people are using macros but its hard to prove...

Rune_Relic · August 2015

Under heavy loads your skills are sitting on a server in a queue waiting to be dealt with.
Sometimes there will be lots of other peoples skills between your two hits.
Sometimes there will be none.
Sometimes the 1st will be delayed and the last will be executed straight away.

TCP must create packets in sequence.. and that includes skills.
Doesn't mean there wont be a tonne of junk packing out that sequence

CGPsaint · August 2015

And this is yet another reason why I probably won't bother with PvP.

Fenrlr · August 2015

Kammakazi wrote: »

Goldie wrote: »

Macro users.

Forgot to say console

Rekt

briandivisionb16_ESO · August 2015

starkerealm wrote: »

Report 'em.

Junglejim82 wrote: »

Could it be lag switching? Let's not argue whether they exist on console destiny's 1st dlc proved they do

bugmom wrote: »

Seems like more and more people are using macros...

Itoq wrote: »

I don't know the cause or whether some players know how to do this. Macros? Player induced lag? Scripts?

At the relative risk of insulting every poster here:

Anyone that says "It is macros" I guarantee has less than rank 20 in Cyrodiil.
Sheesh.

Heavy Attack (10k) > Snipe (22k) > Snipe. (22k)
Can all be done within 3 seconds. Ever even used a bow?

Nothing to do with macros. Wait for 1.7 patch where all damage is halved in PvP.

L2P.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting comments]

starkerealm · August 2015

briandivisionb16_ESO wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Report 'em.

Nothing to do with macros. Stop your moronic 'it is macros' babble.
Wait for 1.7 patch where all damage is halved in PvP.

L2P.

I was talking about the teabagging, actually.

briandivisionb16_ESO · August 2015

starkerealm wrote: »

briandivisionb16_ESO wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Report 'em.

Nothing to do with macros. Stop your moronic 'it is macros' babble.
Wait for 1.7 patch where all damage is halved in PvP.

L2P.

I was talking about the teabagging, actually.

Ahh I see. But your line 'report 'em' is highly effective in my rhetoric :P
Sorry, assumed you meant the macroers! Still, who reports someone for teabagging!? ^.^

briandivisionb16_ESO · August 2015

kappa

RinaldoGandolphi · August 2015

Its not macro's its server side lag.

the insane amounts of damge are caused by folks toggling Magelight from stealth to get the Might of the Guild 20% Empowerment Bonus from stealth before they notched that 1st Focused Aim....in 1.7 it will no longer be possible to proc MOTG from stealth so that 20% Empowerment bonus to the stealth Lethal Arrow/Focused Aim will be gone...

As for all those abilities hitting at one time, its not Macro's its server side lag/server queuing As someone explained about with TCP and queuing. There is a certain amount of lag in this game, just have to deal with it. it sucks, but it is what it is.

Junglejim82 · August 2015

briandivisionb16_ESO wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Report 'em.

Junglejim82 wrote: »

Could it be lag switching? Let's not argue whether they exist on console destiny's 1st dlc proved they do

bugmom wrote: »

Seems like more and more people are using macros...

Itoq wrote: »

I don't know the cause or whether some players know how to do this. Macros? Player induced lag? Scripts?

At the relative risk of insulting every poster here:

Anyone that says "It is macros" I guarantee has less than rank 20 in Cyrodiil.
Sheesh.

Heavy Attack (10k) > Snipe (22k) > Snipe. (22k)
Can all be done within 3 seconds. Ever even used a bow?

Nothing to do with macros. Stop your moronic 'it is macros' babble.
Wait for 1.7 patch where all damage is halved in PvP.

L2P.

None taken I've pvpd extensively in mmos for years . I'm not claiming console macros I'm no expert on the subject but without Keyboard support aren't they impossible? I'm not claiming lag switching either just speculating. Enlighten me someone if macros on console are possible. I'm aware how data is handled and how lag effects gameplay . The server handshake so to speak as another dev team explained it. This is why initially I assumed lag spikes but when all I hear every night is people saying "effing focused aim again" among my own apparent insta deaths all from focused aim I get suspicious . If it was general lag or instability wouldn't people be experiencing the same deaths but in the recap have 5 different attacks ? Every single time it happens its focused aim in the recap that's why it's fishy . Whether it's an exploit or something broken I don't know but everything points to focused aim here . I agree that people call bs or exploits far too easy in these games uts not something I'd claim until certain that's why at this point I'm just asking the question. When I see 5x another skill in my recap after the same type of death I'll revoke the question

starkerealm · August 2015

briandivisionb16_ESO wrote: »

Still, who reports someone for teabagging!? ^.^

Why wouldn't report someone for teabagging? If we don't brutally force these idiots to heel now, how will they ever learn to inflict vicious and underhanded tactics on the unsuspecting?

Mighty_oakk · August 2015

I think alot of time people confuse animation cancelling with macros.

Etaniel · August 2015

Goldie wrote: »

Macro users.

And again another accusation of macro.......
The fact that I get reported everyday for macro usage since I started playing stam NB is a proff that people are never willing to accept that they died, and will always look for an excuse. The only acceptable excuse is that this game has terrible balance, not OMG he's a macro user.

And for the 156546352132165421 th time, macros can't bypass internal game cooldowns.

Typical situation where people think I use macros :

focused aim, crit charge, light attack, surprise attack.

All hit in less than a second because : focused aim has a travel time, during which i cast crit charge, the internal skill cooldown start when I cast crit charge, not when it hits, so I can instantly do a light attack and cancel the animation with a surprise attack when I reach my target, and voila, 4 different skills hit at the same time. Add camo hunter and weapon enchant procs and 5+ different attacks on recap in less than a sec = OMG macro user

Olivierko · August 2015

I'm guessing the issue here is that some pesky nightblades manage to one-hit players from stealth, regardless if the target is full light armor or not, this shouldn't be possible imho.

Junglejim82 · August 2015

Etaniel wrote: »

Goldie wrote: »

Macro users.

And again another accusation of macro.......
The fact that I get reported everyday for macro usage since I started playing stam NB is a proff that people are never willing to accept that they died, and will always look for an excuse. The only acceptable excuse is that this game has terrible balance, not OMG he's a macro user.

And for the 156546352132165421 th time, macros can't bypass internal game cooldowns.

Typical situation where people think I use macros :

focused aim, crit charge, light attack, surprise attack.

All hit in less than a second because : focused aim has a travel time, during which i cast crit charge, the internal skill cooldown start when I cast crit charge, not when it hits, so I can instantly do a light attack and cancel the animation with a surprise attack when I reach my target, and voila, 4 different skills hit at the same time. Add camo hunter and weapon enchant procs and 5+ different attacks on recap in less than a sec = OMG macro user

The example you give I'd Instantly assume was smart ani cancelling something I do myself as I've said its the fact it's always multiple focused aims that got my attention

Junipus · August 2015

Focused aim cast time - 1.1 seconds.
Focused aim travel time (for almost full range) - 1-1.5 seconds.

Since you need to launch the projectile for it to do damage, you can't reduce the cast time greatly for focused aim.

Getting hit by 3 in a row means either 2 seconds passed and you weren't aware, or 2 seconds passed and the server finally caught up with you and declared you dead.

The former can be improved by alertness and reflexes, the latter unfortunately is at the grace of ZOS architecture.

If it's two players launching focused aim then unless you're completely in the zone and can hear them coming (I've seen players dismount as soon as I've shot the arrow) you're going to get killed. Just one of those things in an open war zone where stealth is a tactic.

As previously mentioned, macro users would be committing PvP suicide unless they were good enough to survive without using them, at which point it wouldn't be worth using them and so around and around it goes.

Etaniel · August 2015

Junglejim82 wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Goldie wrote: »

Macro users.

And again another accusation of macro.......
The fact that I get reported everyday for macro usage since I started playing stam NB is a proff that people are never willing to accept that they died, and will always look for an excuse. The only acceptable excuse is that this game has terrible balance, not OMG he's a macro user.

And for the 156546352132165421 th time, macros can't bypass internal game cooldowns.

Typical situation where people think I use macros :

focused aim, crit charge, light attack, surprise attack.

All hit in less than a second because : focused aim has a travel time, during which i cast crit charge, the internal skill cooldown start when I cast crit charge, not when it hits, so I can instantly do a light attack and cancel the animation with a surprise attack when I reach my target, and voila, 4 different skills hit at the same time. Add camo hunter and weapon enchant procs and 5+ different attacks on recap in less than a sec = OMG macro user

The example you give I'd Instantly assume was smart ani cancelling something I do myself as I've said its the fact it's always multiple focused aims that got my attention

Then I suppose it's a bug on consoles. There used to be a bug on PC (might be still here ) where your health wouldn't appear to drop when hit by arrows, making you completely unaware that you had been shot. It's not "macros', it's server lag/bad code/bug