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Why are people always negative about zos?
pepperybrine
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People are always saying:
Zos hates us
Zos is not listening to us
But I think zos does a lot of great stuff for you: without zos there was no eso!
So just stop!
Zos hates us
Zos is not listening to us
But I think zos does a lot of great stuff for you: without zos there was no eso!
So just stop!
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Akavir_Sentinel✭✭✭✭✭
✭Why? Let me give you just one example:
Zenimax: ESO will always be subscription based and never have content behind paywalls
Reality: ESO goes buy-to-play in less than a year and has a cash shop with accesss to zone restricted by DLC13 -
Forestd16b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ZoS is doing great stuff but it isn't really much of a secret how they tend to listen to the streamers and youtubers more than the little people like us.
Like alot of players my self included have went on how heavy armor still needs some buffs to be valid in pvp cause shields are still the best defense in PvP but ZoS hasn't done anything about it or of course adding a arena t the game. Nearly all the players in the game have asked ZoS to add one but they haven't for some odd reason.2 -
pepperybrine✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Didn't Bethesda make the other games and ZoS is new to TES?
JupCharacter: Skjorff Chilheart the WolflikeTankyswankyhulk, BLOOD FOR THE PACT
Guild: The Eet-Team
Pc Eu server
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pepperybrine✭✭✭
It costs a lot of time to make an arena, so maybe in the future?Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »ZoS is doing great stuff but it isn't really much of a secret how they tend to listen to the streamers and youtubers more than the little people like us.
Like alot of players my self included have went on how heavy armor still needs some buffs to be valid in pvp cause shields are still the best defense in PvP but ZoS hasn't done anything about it or of course adding a arena t the game. Nearly all the players in the game have asked ZoS to add one but they haven't for some odd reason.
Character: Skjorff Chilheart the WolflikeTankyswankyhulk, BLOOD FOR THE PACT
Guild: The Eet-Team
Pc Eu server
Skooma is bad, and beer is bad also, so don't do drugs kids, they are bad, skooma is bad0 -
MrGrimey✭✭✭✭✭They don't listen.
-appearance change
-race change
-dueling
-arena and battleground style pvp maps
-TEXT CHAT
The list goes on and on3 -
Zuuman✭✭✭pepperybrine wrote: »People are always saying:
Zos hates us
Zos is not listening to us
But I think zos does a lot of great stuff for you: without zos there was no eso!
So just stop!
Its simply because when a player is happy about the game he doesnt come to the forum to say it, he just play the game.
So the forum is filled mostly with people unhappy about something and their way to make them heard (or so they think) is to feed a gigantic drama hoping they'll be noticed, they also like to claim they speak for the majority of player while they merelly represent 0.1% of the communitty most of the time.
If you want to see happy players, play the game :P here, its mostly troll-land.6 -
Sithisvoid✭✭✭✭✭They are a corporation. Corporations are here to make money. I personally don't mind that but i do tend to resent corporations when i feel they could do more. Because I know how much their executives make each year and I'm not falling for the "were so broke we can't afford to " bit. Every corporation tries to pull it but look there is a new law being put into place. The Securities and Exchange Commission is going to make these corporations list how much the executives make so the little "we're broke" game won't last much longer. Look at the 2008 financial crisis it was because corporations were being so greedy they ran everything into the ground. They still had billions in their own pockets though
Edited by Sithisvoid on August 19, 2015 4:06PM1 -
Psychobunni✭✭✭✭✭
✭This thread is a can of worms, haha!
This and things like it:Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »Why? Let me give you just one example:
Zenimax: ESO will always be subscription based and never have content behind paywalls
Reality: ESO goes buy-to-play in less than a year and has a cash shop with accesss to zone restricted by DLC
and so much this:Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »ZoS is doing great stuff but it isn't really much of a secret how they tend to listen to the streamers and youtubers more than the little people like us.
Couple in bugs still broken from launch, pvp lag fest/junk pets adding more to server, missing functionality people expect from MMO's (UI, trading, TEXT chat.....) ....yeah, people throw up the tired excuse "ESO wanted to be different", and that's just fine and dandy if your "different" exceeds the standards set before you but if it doesn't meet that standard, most consider it a fail.
Better to complain and hope for change than simply take your money elsewhere (as many have/continue to do)If options weren't necessary, and everyone played the same way, no one would use addons. Fix the UI!1 -
Arkadius✭✭✭✭✭
✭pepperybrine wrote: »People are always saying:
Zos hates us
Zos is not listening to us
But I think zos does a lot of great stuff for you: without zos there was no eso!
So just stop!
Without complains, how should ZOS know, what's wrong with the game?1 -
Zuuman✭✭✭Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »Why? Let me give you just one example:
Zenimax: ESO will always be subscription based and never have content behind paywalls
Reality: ESO goes buy-to-play in less than a year and has a cash shop with accesss to zone restricted by DLC
Restricted by DLC? Yeah i bet WoW subscription never had you buy any Expentions packs...0 -
MikeB✭✭✭✭✭Why? Have you played the game on tried to ask ZOS an honest question? They refuse to provide any information and refuse to answer questions. The game balance is horrible. Why would light armor give magicka and caster buffs when leveling the best gear for a caster is medium and heavy? Why does the necro set have sturdy trait, mostly stam enchants when the set bonuses are +magicka nd the 5 piece is for when u have a pet out when only 1 class gets pets? Why are there no good craftable light armor sets like hundings (and several others) for med or Hist Bark (and others) for heavy? Why does med armor have +stam, +stam, + spell crit, light & heavy attacks do more dmg?
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Bashing & Slanderous Comments]Edited by ZOS_Alex on August 19, 2015 7:24PM2 -
Akavir_Sentinel✭✭✭✭✭
✭Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »Why? Let me give you just one example:
Zenimax: ESO will always be subscription based and never have content behind paywalls
Reality: ESO goes buy-to-play in less than a year and has a cash shop with accesss to zone restricted by DLC
Restricted by DLC? Yeah i bet WoW subscription never had you buy any Expentions packs...
My point is they said that was never going to happen. And guess what? It did. You cannot access Imperial City without purchasing DLC. Long story short, you can't trust a damn thing they say.2 -
Robo_Hobo✭✭✭✭✭
✭'cause they find it fun to rant about everything.
I like to stop and smell the Nirnroots, glass half full and all, but to each their own I guess.0 -
Sithisvoid✭✭✭✭✭Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »Why? Let me give you just one example:
Zenimax: ESO will always be subscription based and never have content behind paywalls
Reality: ESO goes buy-to-play in less than a year and has a cash shop with accesss to zone restricted by DLC
Restricted by DLC? Yeah i bet WoW subscription never had you buy any Expentions packs...
My point is they said that was never going to happen. And guess what? It did. You cannot access Imperial City without purchasing DLC. Long story short, you can't trust a damn thing they say.
I remember the Devs on twitter saying they would Never drop subscription. Next thing i knew, tamriel unlimited., Come on down and b2p lol.3 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Background:
-Initially a crowd drastically desired a new TES game but later learned that Bethesda was not making a new game aand instead was allowing ZOS to craft a TES lore based game as an MMO.
-From interviews a distinct version of DAoC seemed to be what was being created in an TES skin
-People wanted to have a TES game with some online capabilities but largely didn't want a change of genre
BETA (PC) 2012 - 2013
-The game begin faction based and was not at all a feel of TES other than some artwork, regions, races but was lacking in class, game-play and rationale
-The traditional MMO crowd was thrown off with the UI changes and add-on limitations which pushed a large vocal group away just before the release of the PC version
-Bugs...bugs...bugs and system crashes that went unresolved or even ignored for lengths of time
PC Release/Console delay 2014 - 2015
-A number of suggestions and acknowledgements were made and continue to be made publicly but it seems to take months or even a years to actually release such features, content and changes. Some would say they are being lied to or largely mislead as customers by ZOS
Today
-By platform there are allowances/features for some that aren't available to others that tend to be present on some platforms and not on others. (Consider also there was a PC to console transfer option and PC began a year prior to console release)
-People have a hard time accepting ZOS decisions that align with their own approach but that differ from traditional genre games of the past
In Conclusion
-we all need to get over ourselves (even me) and learn to realize we either made a bad decision and need to move on
OR
-we need to learn to take the good with the bad and enjoy the game as is with hopes of tweak, content releases and information updates as the company chooses for current and future enhancements. (Also even me)
Most are holding onto one situation or decision and using that as justification for a negative attitude towards the company even though we continue to play the game each week. We actually really like the game but just cant get over one thing or maybe two....
-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
~<{[50]}>~ looks better than *5015 -
UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭People here go on and on about how Zenimax doesn't give them what they want and that honestly is not a big deal because:
1) You can't always get what you want.
2) What some people want others may not.
3) People never truly know what they want.
As for me I honestly detest the fact Zenimax is more focused on the upcoming IC content on PTS more than fixing issues on the already existing game. They delayed the console release for at least a year and a half yet they can't set aside their DLC testing to fix some big issues in-game? THAT is why Zenimax gets negativity at least from me. Fix the game so it can be played period before adding new content is all I want. That and a more low-level-friendly market lolGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
Proud Founder of the Yaysay cult! DOWN WITH THE NAYSAY CULT!! #ToxicRemedy1 -
Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Gamers are negative towards every mmo developer. The people who aren't negative are generally the ones that aren't as passionate about the game in question, and don't really care what changes go into it, what gets nerfed, what gets released, when it gets released, etc. So when you see negativity, look at it as a positive, in a way. They care enough to complain, and from a true gamer, that's love.4 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Sithisvoid wrote: »Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »Why? Let me give you just one example:
Zenimax: ESO will always be subscription based and never have content behind paywalls
Reality: ESO goes buy-to-play in less than a year and has a cash shop with accesss to zone restricted by DLC
Restricted by DLC? Yeah i bet WoW subscription never had you buy any Expentions packs...
My point is they said that was never going to happen. And guess what? It did. You cannot access Imperial City without purchasing DLC. Long story short, you can't trust a damn thing they say.
I remember the Devs on twitter saying they would Never drop subscription. Next thing i knew, tamriel unlimited., Come on down and b2p lol.
They never dropped subscriptions tho', did they?
People hate on ZOS mainly because they make up their own stuff about what ZOS said and then believe it and get all uppitty when ZOS do something different to that which they never actually committed to in the first place.1 -
Sithisvoid✭✭✭✭✭CheeseDivinity wrote: »Gamers are negative towards every mmo developer. The people who aren't negative are generally the ones that aren't as passionate about the game in question, and don't really care what changes go into it, what gets nerfed, what gets released, when it gets released, etc. So when you see negativity, look at it as a positive, in a way. They care enough to complain, and from a true gamer, that's love.
This guy gets it2 -
Prof_Bawbag✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Go on any other dev site and it's all the same. Gamers moan, we're never happy and our current game is always the worst game around before, during and after.
Each dev forum has its fair share of the following 4 threads:
The worst game I've played
The most buggy game around
The devs don't give a ***
FOR THE ATTENTION OF THE DEVS!!one11!!omfg!!111!
Then you have those dev forums which have a number of games within the same series. Those are usually full with the current offering is the worst offering thus far type threads. Take the Beth forums for example, they were carnage when Morrowind first released because it wasn't Daggerfall, because Oblivion wasn't Morrowind and because Skyrim wasn't Oblivion.
We moan, it's what we do and what we enjoy doing.Edited by Prof_Bawbag on August 19, 2015 4:28PM2 -
mrskinskull✭✭✭✭pepperybrine wrote: »People are always saying:
Zos hates us
Zos is not listening to us
But I think zos does a lot of great stuff for you: without zos there was no eso!
So just stop!
The game costs only 60$ and its got so much content.
I am very happy with the game and the community I have found on console, either through area chat or guild chat.
Emotes lead to a bunch of fun.
But forums tend to pool very negative people into one place.
Just ignore the habitual complainers.
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mrskinskull✭✭✭✭Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »Why? Let me give you just one example:
Zenimax: ESO will always be subscription based and never have content behind paywalls
Reality: ESO goes buy-to-play in less than a year and has a cash shop with accesss to zone restricted by DLC
What's your point?
Zos is shifting marketing strategy to keep providing the game that I love.
Zero problem with that.0 -
mrskinskull✭✭✭✭They don't listen.
-appearance change
-race change
-dueling
-arena and battleground style pvp maps
-TEXT CHAT
The list goes on and on
Read the thread about text chat.
Watch how it devolves into insults and circular arguments.
Why would zos want to allow all of the toxic complaints to reach every player in their happy and successful console community?0 -
Mitchblue✭✭✭✭Personally I probably wouldn't be playing if there was a sub. Look at FFXIV. They have a sub, but their game sucks. No one can convince me otherwise. WoW has a sub, 'nuff said.
Now maybe if I was around from the start I'd feel differently but it seems many who don't seem to like the game are still playing the game. Why is that? Nonetheless, this is game forum.. same all over the universe.Anyone else rooting for Molag Bal?0 -
Forestd16b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭pepperybrine wrote: »
It costs a lot of time to make an arena, so maybe in the future?Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »ZoS is doing great stuff but it isn't really much of a secret how they tend to listen to the streamers and youtubers more than the little people like us.
Like alot of players my self included have went on how heavy armor still needs some buffs to be valid in pvp cause shields are still the best defense in PvP but ZoS hasn't done anything about it or of course adding a arena t the game. Nearly all the players in the game have asked ZoS to add one but they haven't for some odd reason.
But the thing is players been asking for one all they way back to beta roughly 2 years ago and they had the time and money to make a concept of a area in the IC. So why turn it into another stupid PvE gauntlet instead of a actual arena?1 -
Banky71✭✭✭✭You don't want to be a Freddy Fuddy Duddy.If you chase two rabbits, you will lose them both.
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