lordrichter wrote: »

I think it is an official spin-off. I doubt that the events of ESO, or anything that happens in ESO, will have an ounce of influence when, or if, BGS ever does a TES 6. TES 6 will be like ESO never happened.

If anything, TES 6 will be after the Skyrim (4th Era), and therefore around a thousand yrs after ESo. And will mostly be focused on how teh Aldmeri Dominion now rules over Tamriel, wich is full of peasants *-insert the 6 other races here-
And if the previous ES games had merely a mention of the period of ...disturbance that was the later half of the 2nd Era, i see no reason why there would be any need of 'more' information on that.

Canon
ZOS have said its canon.
Bethesda advised on lore for the game.
ZOS and Bethesda are both owned by Zenimax.

Not that that means Bethesda will feel obliged to stick with any of it. Just because something was mentioned in an earlier TES game didn't mean Bethesda wouldn't retcon it in later games.

It's canon, but it's set hundreds of years before Arena and the next game will most likely be set after Skyrim, which if I remember correctly is a few hundred years after Arena.

So it's unlikely to have a big, direct impact. Especially since (like Daggerfall's ending and some of the events discussed in books) it may well be that by then no one in-game really knows what happened for sure and the established version of events may be different to the reality.

Maybe the Alliance War will be seen as all 3 factions trying to save Tamriel from Molag Bal and our characters will have been ordered by their leader to fight him. Maybe the whole thing will be seen as a conspiracy of some sort, maybe (as was the case before ESO) the entire period will be seen as far too chaotic to keep track of and the only important bit will be that (retrospectively) everyone was happy that Tiber Septim came along and ended the fighting.

It's canon.

Lore in the Elder Scrolls is not like other properties. There isn't source material to pull from. Rather each game builds it, and as they come up with new ideas, some retconning will take place. On top of that, the devs want to have the choices players make to impact the world's history. So the timeline is not a simple straight line.

There are many examples, but the best one would have to be the multiple possible endings to TES II: Daggerfall, all of which are canon even the ones that contradict each other.

I will bet you a million gold that TES VI will contain numerous new books referring to the events of ESO. Maybe even the "Chalamo", a book you can currently find in Chalmen keep that tells the tale of a battle fought during the beta.

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KiraTsukasa wrote: »

It's a spin-off. The canon Elder Scrolls games are numbered.

Did they make an official statement, or opinion?

Opinion

I do not know what canon means, but I guess it has something to do with following lore and staying connected with other g ames somehow?

Canon means the official, "real" version of events according to the creator/s.

The obvious example is fan fiction which is (almost) never canon. But it can come up in other situations too.

For example if a writer decides to create a short story for their niece with a character based on her and a more light-heated, child friendly theme than their other books, and then they decide to publish it they may justify the change in tone by saying it's not canon.

Or it may be something that happens over time. Long running comics like Batman have entire story arcs and characters who are not considered canon because the entire franchise has been re-worked since then and they aren't considered appropriate for the new version.

In extreme cases it could be something like a writer signs over the rights to make a TV show of their work to someone who doesn't really get it and they hate the end result so much that they declare the entire thing non-canon and may go out of their way to denounce it (such as killing off the shows main character in the books or adding retroactive continuity (retcon) which makes the entire story impossible so they can pretend it never happened.

Of course it can go the other way too. Writers may love a fan fiction character or other unofficial changes enough to make them canon and incorporate them into their own work.

Something can be canon and still completely disregarded going forward. The Star Wars prequels are probably the best example of that.

ESO basically takes place in a swatch of history that was mysterious enough to be interesting but not important enough to impact any stories going forward.

Is canon, but that's not saying a whole lot in the world full of lore that's canon that conflicts. Remember, even if ESO occurs in a dragon breath that doesn't mean it didn't happen it just means that things changed. Daggerfall had multiple endings all of which are canon.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Now with all the random a** mounts in game we are beyond Canon the game has more then Tigers and Horse but recoding the same ones over and over again is just lame. Plus we can't all save the world the Same way up to times on our own accounts and that just be canon. also ALL THE HOLES IN THIS GAMES LORE. I was born in the series play TES since I was Six and the missing/just plain wrong lore make me so sad.

The vestige saved the world. In my game I'm the vestige, you are not. In your game you are the vestige, I am not. This is why mystical mounts makes no sense in the game. Why is some non special adventurer running around on a fire horse?

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kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Now with all the random a** mounts in game we are beyond Canon the game has more then Tigers and Horse but recoding the same ones over and over again is just lame. Plus we can't all save the world the Same way up to times on our own accounts and that just be canon. also ALL THE HOLES IN THIS GAMES LORE. I was born in the series play TES since I was Six and the missing/just plain wrong lore make me so sad.

The vestige saved the world. In my game I'm the vestige, you are not. In your game you are the vestige, I am not. This is why mystical mounts makes no sense in the game.

The Vestige like the Dragon Born is the name given to history. I build my name to the NPCs by being that hero of legend and so did you doing the same thing. It's not as if we were all part of the force that took the fight to Cold Harbor as they could have easily done. We all Talked to the Kings and Queen, we all lend the charge, we all stopped a God with the Power of another God. They could have had armies even small ones doing some of this but no it's you vs the World and you win solo. Just like you can do seven more times.

The air of the Marsh is full of sores from the poisonous plants their, the water has had those plants and animal live and dead into, besides the river that poison just sits their. The land itself is deadly the way in TES lore nobody not even Talos dared to enter the enter land where it's worst. Argonian it other races can't they were not born their and evolved to survive those conditions.

Gidorick wrote: »

The vestige saved the world. In my game I'm the vestige, you are not. In your game you are the vestige, I am not. This is why mystical mounts makes no sense in the game. Why is some non special adventurer running around on a fire horse?

This is why MMOs with the player being The Savior of All make no sense.

Obv not because fans who just benefit from the content should always have more say than the people who created the content that players are enjoying. For example, I don't think Bran's story in A Song of Ice and Fire is canon because it is more fantastical than the rest of the story. I bought the books, so I make the rules. Screw the hippy magic.

So what if Bethesda sanctioned ESO lore? People that created reality-warping Dragon Breaks should certainly be held accountable for the internal logic of their relative Dark Ages.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

The air of the Marsh is full of sores from the poisonous plants their, the water has had those plants and animal live and dead into, besides the river that poison just sits their. The land itself is deadly the way in TES lore nobody not even Talos dared to enter the enter land where it's worst. Argonian it other races can't they were not born their and evolved to survive those conditions.

The only issue with what you're saying is that we've only landed on the perimeter of Black Marsh anyway. I'd argue that the Vestige would be heroic/championny enough to handle it, even if he weren't an argonian or bosmer.

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Vigarr wrote: »

I know they call it canon but I don't agree with it. How can you explain the main quest retcon of Molag Bal opening gates from his oblivion plane when the dragonfires of Akatosh were still lit at the time? It wasn't until Oblivion that the fires went out and Mehrunes was able to open oblivion gates.

Have you read the story or played the main quest? it's all explained in detail to fit the lore (ESO's loremaster is an awesome guy and he is deep in contact with Bethesda's loremasters to always get things right)

The emperor Varen Aquilarius was tricked by Mannimarco and broke the covenant of saint Alessia with Akatosh when he tried a ritual with the amulet of kings to force the Time Dragon to bless him as Dragonborn to legitimize his rule, this leads to the soulburst and the interregnum that lasts until the rise of Tiber Septim who unites the lands of Tamriel and relight the Dragonfires on the temple of the one as the true Dragonborn emperor of Tamriel.

Why only Molag Bal invades Tamriel? for the same reason only Dagon invades it during the last days of the third era, create a breach for invasion was HIS plan all the time, he planned it on details, made the moves and when the opportunity rose he was ready with all the war machines and daedric armies he needed, it probably isn't a fast and easy thing to forge hundreds or even thousands of war machines (like the dark anchors who are made in factories in Coldharbour), mobilize and train armies, make the right connections and fool the right individuals in Tamriel.

The Main story line is Canon the side quest, mix races in enemy alliances push it and the fact that 100% of the soldiers that take Keeps in Cyrodiil are all the one Vestige. they could have made it more MMO in that regard we can't all be the one person that saved the world solo.

An Dummer army fighting The three living Gods of Morrowind with the Armies of Dominion and Covenant? Bretons and Redguard fighting to take down Daggerfall in Pact and Dominion ranks. Altmer and Bosmer in force with the Pact and Covenant. Trusting one soldier that saved your people okay but whole Armies of enemy races? We can see in nearly all the story line main and side that the three races of each faction loosely trust each other yet the races they fight are just fine?

Also Orcs don't join the Pact Redguard and Bretons sieged their home in the first place. Nord, Dummer and Argonians are seen as more honorable then very recent enemies. Redguards and Orcs hate dark magic, Bretons use Necromancy more then any other race way would they be in this alliance let alone leading it. Nords hate Elves and magic and invaded Morrowmind more then a few times, Dummer hate Nords see invasion and Argonian hate Dummer with no real reason to care about the other side World worst comes to worst they can retreat to the inner workings of the Marsh and live untouched.

And that's the super short one

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kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

The air of the Marsh is full of sores from the poisonous plants their, the water has had those plants and animal live and dead into, besides the river that poison just sits their. The land itself is deadly the way in TES lore nobody not even Talos dared to enter the enter land where it's worst. Argonian it other races can't they were not born their and evolved to survive those conditions.

The only issue with what you're saying is that we've only landed on the perimeter of Black Marsh anyway. I'd argue that the Vestige would be heroic/championy enough to handle it, even if he weren't an Argonian or Bosmer.

No matter how heroic you are Poison is Poison a Nord could break Mountains with his hammer and poison sores would still keep him. Being brave enough to enter the inner March and surviving is two completely different things.