"X" increase of cost for skills for spamming.

Forestd16b14_ESO · August 2015

So gonna be short and sweet. Skills are spammable and this poll is to get a community opinion if some skills if not all skills should cost say 33% or 50% more each time you use the same skill within 4 seconds of using it to cut back spammers.

Reason I say a few is cause some skills aren't really that useful to begin with or you need to spam them such as healing spells from the restoration staff skill line. Except healing ward that needs to cost more.

starkerealm · August 2015

Make no skills cost "X"% more after each use within 4 seconds. (except bolt escape and roll dodge.)

IIRC, some skills actually do have an increased cost if they're used in rapid succession. I can't remember which ones do this off hand... but they're out there. Other abilities like Carve, Entropy, or Strife are actually less effective when spammed, because their DoTs and HoTs just refresh, they don't stack.

Sharmony · August 2015

Make no skills cost "X"% more after each use within 4 seconds. (except bolt escape and roll dodge.)

I have to agree that there should be no increases for multiple uses of a skill, although possibly useful in PvP it would completely ruin a lot of PvE DPS and support rotations.

Leandor · August 2015

Option 4: Fix resource regeneration instead of implementing mechanisms that penalize those that did not abuse the ability (dodge nerf is gonna hit non stamina builds harder than stamina builds).

BaconMagic · August 2015

Make no skills cost "X"% more after each use within 4 seconds. (except bolt escape and roll dodge.)

How about no? Most DPS rotations involve some degree of spamming, and that's not an abuse or exploit, it's the game. Some skills are powerful, some aren't. Learn to counter those that are powerful.

Avonna · August 2015

i think there should be a ban on spamming poll posts.....

it should only be about once a month .

other then that . NO i do not want to wait 4 seconds to use skills. i only have 5 and i dont want to lock any of them out.

BuggeX · August 2015

Make no skills cost "X"% more after each use within 4 seconds. (except bolt escape and roll dodge.)

Even if i wish this for all Wreckingblow/Snipe/Jesusbeam Spamers, nah its fine as it is.

Rinmaethodain · August 2015

Make all skills cost "X"% more after each use within 4 second.

I support OP.

This is wonderful suggestion.
In current state of game DPSing is very boring and unattractive. This should be changed. People DPS only pressing one skill for single targed dps or other for AOE. It makes DPSing unattractive.

Making stat cost increase if the skill is used too often will bring some tactical play to game. This should make DPSing less boring and attractive.

Not to mention that along this idea, if the first spam alert is triggered, then players resources should stop regenerating.
This change will be very good for long term games health and will surely make ZOS happy with their game.

Psychobunni · August 2015

Make no skills cost "X"% more after each use within 4 seconds. (except bolt escape and roll dodge.)

Make no skills cost more each time period. Including dodge and bolt. L2P or accept that you won't win every time.

Resipsa131 · August 2015

Make no skills cost "X"% more after each use within 4 seconds. (except bolt escape and roll dodge.)

If certain skills cost X more you'd need to complete rebalance the skill sets for certain builds. Tanks would become relatively more powerful with the change though

Alucardo · August 2015

Make no skills cost "X"% more after each use within 4 seconds. (except bolt escape and roll dodge.)

Leandor · August 2015

Also, complaining about ability spamming in a game that limits the number of available abilities to 5, respectively 10 if you double up (using both weapon sets for the same purpose) is rich. What is the difference between using one ability all over and using two abilities alternating? Is one spamming (thus "bad") and the other a "rotation" (thus "pro")?

P3ZZL3 · August 2015

Make no skills cost "X"% more after each use within 4 seconds. (except bolt escape and roll dodge.)

I voted no, but then I'm loving this set right now:

Olivierko · August 2015

Make no skills cost "X"% more after each use within 4 seconds. (except bolt escape and roll dodge.)

Tavore1138 · August 2015

Make no skills cost "X"% more after each use within 4 seconds. (except bolt escape and roll dodge.)

Only if I get sufficient skills on my bar such that I don't use all 2-4 'active' ones within your insane 4 second limit and have to wait around for them to cool down.

Personally I don't think BE or RD should have a penalty, if they are too cheap then they should have a cost increase, otherwise people should just accept that skills designed to let people dodge or escape will be used for... <drumroll>... dodging and escaping.

I hate people saying L2P but perhaps educating yourself in how to compete would help?

JamilaRaj · August 2015

The problem is ever increasing resource regen/decreasing cost in face of virtually no cooldowns (ironically the skill with a cooldown, the infamous self-stunning templar charge, is not exactly spammable anyway) and removed softcaps.
Increasing costs of repeated casts instead of reducing regen or introducing cooldown is horrible, ineffectual antipattern.

AudioVortex · August 2015

Make no skills cost "X"% more after each use within 4 seconds. (except bolt escape and roll dodge.)

I can't see this working. The pace of the game would drop significantly. Focusing on pvp, you need pace to get through those walls, get through the npcs and get those flags! Before the whole defending army decides to rock up and stop you. With this implemented, you'll have no chance as everyone will be standing around waiting for cooldowns or die in the process.

Skiserony · August 2015

Make no skills cost "X"% more after each use within 4 seconds. (except bolt escape and roll dodge.)

eh?

Tavore1138 · August 2015

Make no skills cost "X"% more after each use within 4 seconds. (except bolt escape and roll dodge.)

JamilaRaj wrote: »

The problem is ever increasing resource regen/decreasing cost in face of virtually no cooldowns (ironically the skill with a cooldown, the infamous self-stunning templar charge, is not exactly spammable anyway) and removed softcaps.
Increasing costs of repeated casts instead of reducing regen or introducing cooldown is horrible, ineffectual antipattern.

But reducing regen isn't great either - if people are willing to build for regen then they should, they have to make a trade off on something else whether it is damage or crit or level of stat etc. If they have a build designed around regen why should that get penalties over a build that relies on another less obvious stat?

Cooldowns are also a poor option when you have limited skills - either way if you carry a lot of instant skills or rely on 2 or 3 buffs you are going to spend a lot of time being hit while you wait for your skills to either cooldown or reach the 4 second timer.

ESO combat appears to be predicated around designing an optimum set of 5 skills where you run a rapid rotation of those skills intermingled with LA/HA and buffs - anything that interferes with that is going to require a fundamental redesign of combat or simply create boredom.

Robbmrp · August 2015

Make some skills cost "X"% more after each use within 4 seconds.

I voted for just some skills as Grand Healing was specifically designed to work with repetative casts.

Forestd16b14_ESO · August 2015

Make some skills cost "X"% more after each use within 4 seconds.

Please keep in mind that this is a suggest to increase cost of a skill after it is used not a actual cooldown. Cooldowns is were you have to wait "X" amount of time before even using the skill again not the time it takes for the skill to be used at regular cost again. You can still use skills after they are cast but it would cost "X"% more that is all the skill won't be greyed out and have a coldown like msot other MMORPGS.

This is not a cooldown mechanic but a way to cut back on spammers. Yes it may hurt PvE but again it is not fun basicly riding a roller coaster watching 2 high end spamming DPS players melt every single enemy in a dungeon before the tank has a chance to let out a single taunt or the healer can heal.

Tavore1138 · August 2015

Make no skills cost "X"% more after each use within 4 seconds. (except bolt escape and roll dodge.)

If you have dps players doing this on level appropriate dungeons then they have taken the time and trouble to gear correctly, allocate stat correctly, select and level the right skills and allocate cp in a useful way - chances are they are not simply hitting one button repeatedly but are keeping potion and skill buffs up as well... I am not saying it is rocket science but neither is is as simplistic as you make it sound.

Plus if someone has run a dungeon a few dozen times the trash mobs become habit. Handicapping people for knowing their character and the content is not helpful.

On the other hand if you are running a VR1 scaled dungeon with experienced VR14 dps then they will faceroll the mobs...

Mojmir · August 2015

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Please keep in mind that this is a suggest to increase cost of a skill after it is used not a actual cooldown. Cooldowns is were you have to wait "X" amount of time before even using the skill again not the time it takes for the skill to be used at regular cost again. You can still use skills after they are cast but it would cost "X"% more that is all the skill won't be greyed out and have a coldown like msot other MMORPGS.

This is not a cooldown mechanic but a way to cut back on spammers. Yes it may hurt PvE but again it is not fun basicly riding a roller coaster watching 2 high end spamming DPS players melt every single enemy in a dungeon before the tank has a chance to let out a single taunt or the healer can heal.

Its OK cause tanks just stand and hold block anyways right? How bout when we need to race the dmg before enrage? Sounds more like being outclassed,I'd love to be in this scenario

Athas24 · August 2015

Make no skills cost "X"% more after each use within 4 seconds. (except bolt escape and roll dodge.)

I don't even want roll dodger or BE to be increased. ... but there was no option for that. If someone wants to run from me. . . Good. run.

AlnilamE · August 2015

Make no skills cost "X"% more after each use within 4 seconds. (except bolt escape and roll dodge.)

Psychobunni wrote: »

Make no skills cost more each time period. Including dodge and bolt. L2P or accept that you won't win every time.

This.

RedTalon · August 2015

Make no skills cost "X"% more after each use within 4 seconds. (except bolt escape and roll dodge.)

Spam or else, that is the name of the game

Athas24 · August 2015

Make no skills cost "X"% more after each use within 4 seconds. (except bolt escape and roll dodge.)

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

Only if I get sufficient skills on my bar such that I don't use all 2-4 'active' ones within your insane 4 second limit and have to wait around for them to cool down.

Personally I don't think BE or RD should have a penalty, if they are too cheap then they should have a cost increase, otherwise people should just accept that skills designed to let people dodge or escape will be used for... <drumroll>... dodging and escaping.

I hate people saying L2P but perhaps educating yourself in how to compete would help?

^^ This. I think that we would need way more skills on our bars with some crazy 4 second cool down... either that or everyone's just going to use heavy/light attacks all day Zzzz snoresville.

Saltypretzels · August 2015

Make no skills cost "X"% more after each use within 4 seconds. (except bolt escape and roll dodge.)

If the devs gave us more abilities, and more slots to put them in, then maybe.

But if you only have two attacks because the other 3 slots have toggles and buffs, then there isn't much choice besides spam.

mrskinskull · August 2015

Why punish pve players for something that really is only a PvP problem.

Should I be punished for. Spamming heals?

If I only played PvP I would agree 100 percent.

What do you play primarily, op?

Hope499 · August 2015

Make no skills cost "X"% more after each use within 4 seconds. (except bolt escape and roll dodge.)

What? No, of course not....

Some skills are made for the purpose of spamming....to take that away makes the skill useless, and everyone will just use DOT's

Paradox · August 2015

Make some skills cost "X"% more after each use within 4 seconds.

Yeah, I didn't mean to press this one... The idea is dumb and should nev3 happen.

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