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Is ESO canon?
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Is ESO considered canon in the Elder Scrolls universe, or a spin-off like Fallout Tactics in the Fallout universe?
Edited by Sadishist on August 18, 2015 2:56PM Xbox One - NA
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Is ESO canon? 178 votes
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Sadishist✭✭CanonKiraTsukasa wrote: »It's a spin-off. The canon Elder Scrolls games are numbered.
Did they make an official statement, or opinion?Xbox One - NA
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✭✭CanonConsidering that BGS and BethSoft have said that since there wasn't too much existing Lore taking place in the Second Era, and also stated that what happens in the game is considered by them to be canon... yes, ESO is canon.Edited by Uriel_Nocturne on August 18, 2015 3:01PM
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✭KiraTsukasa wrote: »It's a spin-off. The canon Elder Scrolls games are numbered.
Did they make an official statement, or opinion?
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I do not know what canon means, but I guess it has something to do with following lore and staying connected with other g ames somehow?Edited by Yakidafi on August 18, 2015 3:02PMMoons and sands shall be your guide and path.
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✭Spin-offThere are Ice Princess ponies, and soon to be undead goat pets and pumpkin head costumes in the crown store. Now what do you think? Of course it's not canon. It's a spin-off cash grab. The actual Elder Scrolls games are numbered in series, and ESO is not a part of that series.6 -
GuyNamedSean✭✭✭✭CanonAnd for anyone tha finds inconsistencies, they have an in story excuse that can be used. Dragon Breaks. Some points in time are so tumultuous that the regular flow of time itself becomes less uniform. An easy example is when the ancient Nords sent Alduin forward in time. Another is the usage of Numidium by Tiber Septim at the beginning of the Third Era. There's another confirmed break in the First Era, where for a few hundred years there is absolutely no recorded history. If ESO takes place in a Dragon Break, it would explain events such as the Planemeld and Three Banners War not being mentioned in other lore.Former Guildmaster of the Legion of Mournhold
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KiraTsukasa✭✭✭✭✭KiraTsukasa wrote: »It's a spin-off. The canon Elder Scrolls games are numbered.
Did they make an official statement, or opinion?
The main series Elder Scrolls games are numbered (with the exception of Arena, considering it was the first) and each one in sequence makes allusions to the events of previous games. The events of ESO are never mentioned in any of the main series, and ESO doesn't mention the events of the main series. This, coupled with the fact that ESO is listed as a spin-off on every Elder Scrolls database, means that it is highly likely that ESO is a non-canon spinoff game.
If this IS just my opinion, then 99.9% of the Internet agrees with me.2 -
KiraTsukasa✭✭✭✭✭GuyNamedSean wrote: »And for anyone tha finds inconsistencies, they have an in story excuse that can be used. Dragon Breaks. Some points in time are so tumultuous that the regular flow of time itself becomes less uniform. An easy example is when the ancient Nords sent Alduin forward in time. Another is the usage of Numidium by Tiber Septim at the beginning of the Third Era. There's another confirmed break in the First Era, where for a few hundred years there is absolutely no recorded history. If ESO takes place in a Dragon Break, it would explain events such as the Planemeld and Three Banners War not being mentioned in other lore.
Dragon Breaks. In other words, alternate dimensions. Meaning that ESO takes place in an alternate reality than the main series games, which is more proof of ESO being non-canon than canon.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭CanonKiraTsukasa wrote: »It's a spin-off. The canon Elder Scrolls games are numbered.
Also most of the unnumbered ones. Redguard and Battlespire are both canon. Their events were detailed in Morrowind and later numbered games.
EDIT: There's even a fairly decent argument to be made that Eye of Argonia is part of the canon, and it was never released.
I'm not sure about Dawnstar, Shadowkey, or Stormhold. Those might not be canon. But they were also very self contained, so it's kinda hard to know.
At that point, there's, at best, a 40% chance ESO is canon. You can bet we'll be seeing references to the Alliance War and Planemeld in TES6, whenever that rolls around.Edited by starkerealm on August 18, 2015 3:23PM0 -
stewie_801✭✭✭CanonKiraTsukasa wrote: »KiraTsukasa wrote: »It's a spin-off. The canon Elder Scrolls games are numbered.
Did they make an official statement, or opinion?
The main series Elder Scrolls games are numbered (with the exception of Arena, considering it was the first) and each one in sequence makes allusions to the events of previous games. The events of ESO are never mentioned in any of the main series, and ESO doesn't mention the events of the main series. This, coupled with the fact that ESO is listed as a spin-off on every Elder Scrolls database, means that it is highly likely that ESO is a non-canon spinoff game.
If this IS just my opinion, then 99.9% of the Internet agrees with me.
Thought ESO took place before the main series so their wouldn't be any mention of it in the main series. ZOS have explained why the events of ESO are not mentioned in the main series, but really it's up to the individual on whether to take it as canon or not.
I would be interested in finding out if bethesda has said if it is canon or not. I know ZOS has stated on their twitter before it was.PC/NA Ebonheart PactInvictus , Teut Spindle Your Brindle OfficerStewie the Destroyer Imperial Templar Former Emperor of Haderus
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So by that logic:KiraTsukasa wrote: »GuyNamedSean wrote: »And for anyone tha finds inconsistencies, they have an in story excuse that can be used. Dragon Breaks. Some points in time are so tumultuous that the regular flow of time itself becomes less uniform. An easy example is when the ancient Nords sent Alduin forward in time. Another is the usage of Numidium by Tiber Septim at the beginning of the Third Era. There's another confirmed break in the First Era, where for a few hundred years there is absolutely no recorded history. If ESO takes place in a Dragon Break, it would explain events such as the Planemeld and Three Banners War not being mentioned in other lore.
Dragon Breaks. In other words, alternate dimensions. Meaning that ESO takes place in an alternate reality than the main series games, which is more proof of ESO being non-canon than canon.
Since Bethesda had to engineer a Dragon Break to fix their own Lore between Daggerfall and Morrowind, that means that Arena and Daggerfall aren't canon, right? *smh*
Let's not be too hasty in naming what is/is not canon until Bethesda makes a statement about it. Oh, wait... they did.
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Bloodfang✭✭✭✭✭CanonESO is more canon than all the latest 3 TES SP titles combined, not to mention it has way more Lore to support this argument too. In my opinion Skyrim is a terrible Lore Fail with the lame Alduin Time-Travel crap.
When ES6 launches, don't be surprised when you'll see a dozen books describing the wars from ESO timeline.Edited by Bloodfang on August 18, 2015 3:38PM6 -
Athas24✭✭✭✭CanonWhy would ESO mention Anything about the other TES games? It happens chronologically before them... ie: they haven't happened yet. Also, if not much was written about the 2nd era...then we are currently creating the 2nd era. Regarding ice ponies etc, there is Technically only 1 of them since we aren't all a bunch of Vestiges running around (there is only one of us story wise). So if the Vestige has a stupid ice pony...who cares...or a bear or a fire horse etc etc. It's something that not a lot of history was written about and even though we interact and see multiple vestiges...the history only sees one of us. Same thing about pumpkin heads and literally Anything else they throw in the game. Though we are playing an MMO we are all playing 1 person in time not 100000 of the same person.3 -
stewie_801✭✭✭CanonUriel_Nocturne wrote: »
Let's not be too hasty in naming what is/is not canon until Bethesda makes a statement about it. Oh, wait... they did.
Do you know where they said that? Just curious, been looking but haven't found it yet. Just found ZOS saying it is.
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Carluce✭CanonThere are no references to the events of the numbered main series as all of those take place in the third era whereas ESO is in the second. In my very personal opinion canon has less to do with linearly following the other games and more with fitting the greater universe that has been created with the other games. In that respect, as of the moment, ESO fits within canon. As to lore breaking mounts and costumes in the crown shop, I feel that while these can put a strain on immersion in the world itself and can feel like a cash grab, they are more of a nod to the many people who have modded other TES games to include all sorts of non-canon elements like anime armor and weapons from other video games.
The true test of whether or not ESO is canon will be in TES 6. If events or characters from this game that were not already a part of canon are referenced in that game ESO will have to be officially considered canon.
Again, this is my personal opinion and anyone is free to disagree with me.2 -
Sadishist✭✭CanonThis is a bit like the Mothership Zeta debate, canon or easter egg?Xbox One - NA
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✭✭CanonIt's cannon even if ZoS uses the Dragon Break theory. ESO is officaly cannon and will have cameos in future TES games. And I say cameos cause despite some TES games having massive history changing events there rarely metion like TES 1 Arena despite the plot of the staff being the ultimate power source in Nirn and able to fool a empire for 10 years it's neer metion again
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✭Spin-offtheroyalestpythonnub18_ESO wrote: »
That quote was from 2013 before ESO was even released. Of course they are going to say it's canon so Elder Scrolls fans will buy it.0 -
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✭✭✭✭CanonIt doesn't need a poll, canonity isn't our decision. ESO is both canon (confirmed by ZOS) and a spin-off. Spin-off doesn't equate to non-canonity, it merely indicates that the game isn't a part of the main series. Elder Scrolls had a lot of spin-off series over the years: Legend (Battlespire), Adventures (Redguard), Travels, now ESO and soon the card game Legends.4 -
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Nobody's ever released a statement refuting or revoking it's canon status. It's not like it needs re-certification.Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »theroyalestpythonnub18_ESO wrote: »
That quote was from 2013 before ESO was even released. Of course they are going to say it's canon so Elder Scrolls fans will buy it.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭CanonAkavir_Sentinel wrote: »theroyalestpythonnub18_ESO wrote: »
That quote was from 2013 before ESO was even released. Of course they are going to say it's canon so Elder Scrolls fans will buy it.
Just because you don't want it to be canon, does not make it non canon.
It is canon, and set before all the other main series.Sweetrolls for all!
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Sadishist✭✭CanonIt doesn't need a poll, canonity isn't our decision. ESO is both canon (confirmed by ZOS) and a spin-off. Spin-off doesn't equate to non-canonity, it merely indicates that the game isn't a part of the main series. Elder Scrolls had a lot of spin-off series over the years: Legend (Battlespire), Adventures (Redguard), Travels, now ESO and soon the card game Legends.
Do you play Fallout series as well, which is The Elder Scroll's brother? There's Mothership Zeta debate. Different game series, but same principle apply.Xbox One - NA
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Lenikus✭✭✭✭✭CanonI believe that aside the endings thing in... what, daggerfall? all ES games go in teh same universe / timeline.
ESo does provide enough to work with more dragon breaks, as if each alliance 'wins' the faction wars but then again, that is settled when lil' ol' Talos (independent to the Ebonheart Pact) just stumble the whole thing...
As far as the close to no mention of the Three Banners War over cyrodiil, one can simply speculate that this is one messed up part of history and people don't really have most of it in records.. Nirn did almost simply pop into coldharbour, for all we know.... Mai cave. >:30 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Spin-offI think it is an official spin-off. I doubt that the events of ESO, or anything that happens in ESO, will have an ounce of influence when, or if, BGS ever does a TES 6. TES 6 will be like ESO never happened.0 -
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Just because you don't like the fact that it has been stated as canon, doesn't revoke its authenticity.Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »theroyalestpythonnub18_ESO wrote: »
That quote was from 2013 before ESO was even released. Of course they are going to say it's canon so Elder Scrolls fans will buy it.
No statement has ever been released refuting or "going back on" the statement that says its canon, so it still remains canon.
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✭CanonEvery time they release a new ES game, the lore guys scream about all the new inconsistencies and how this new game can't be canon because "everyone knows that Khajiit are humans, not actual felines," or whatever the change was this time that has them complaining.
It's fiction. Lighten up.
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