CPs are still in the game?
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nordsavage✭✭✭✭✭CP isn't going anywhere because grinding exp sells exp scrolls and combat related consumables, it is a money maker for them.I didn't choose tank life, tank life chose me.2 -
Have 200ish CP. Do just fine in PvP, solo or group. Have killed some with many more CPs, and been killed by some with far less.
"They have more CPs than me" is just an easy excuse for losing. If ZoS wastes their time with CP limited campaigns, what will the excuse be then?4 -
Justice31st✭✭✭✭✭
✭CPs are great. Its the system this game should have launched with. VRs are the crap that need to be removed.
Champion points are not great for console players who are competing in pvp against PC transfers who had a 1 year start. Don't kid yourself."The more you know who you are, and what you want, the less you let things upset you."1 -
Akavir_Sentinel✭✭✭✭✭
✭Some players would complain even if there was a campaign where they removed all Champion Points, gave everyone the exact same stats, exact same armor, exact same weapon, everything even for everyone, and the only deciding factor would be your tactics.3 -
BrassRazoo✭✭✭✭✭CPs are one of the only reasons I bother to play.
They are the only way my character get's any better.
Once you hit level cap and have the best gear with all skills maxed out what else is there?4 -
Thunder✭✭✭TheShadowScout wrote: »And it has been mentioned before, sooner or later the gap will become large enough that the PTB will add catchup mechanics.
Then what is the friggin' point of having uncapped champion points to begin with? You are basically saying, the game isn't broken because eventually they'll see how broken it is and will fix it.0 -
Thunder✭✭✭Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »
Actually, lazy doesn't even enter into it. It's people who's time is too valuable to run around in circles effortlessly killing the same mobs over and over again as a leisure time activity. However, I think laziness can indeed be attributed to the CP ginders, as they are too lazy to learn to play so they grind out superior stats to make up for it.1 -
Tolmos✭✭✭✭A surprising number of people in this game like grinding, for some reason or another. The truth is: for those of us who never really got into the Korean grinder style games, CP is something that will remain a thorn in our side.
The concept of infinite progression, a constant grind that takes years to end, is too daunting for some players. I'm one of them; I love this game, I love the PvP and I definitely enjoy the story, but I find myself logging in less and less, knowing that if I am not grinding then I'm falling behind. I can handle 1-50. I can handle VR1 - VR14. I can handle gearing up at VR14. But CP? Jesus... that's just too much.
I get it- it's there to stroke the ego of those who have been around since the beginning, and also to sell grind scrolls. But for some of us it's a weeding out process. I played Aion- even back in the early days, getting to level 50 and getting the 50e set to +15 feels like a cakewalk in comparison. Even hitting max on Everquest back in late '99 (took me a good few months...) wasn't as daunting as this.
So, OP- I get where you're coming from. For now, just don't worry about being competitive and play. Something is in the works, and while I don't know what it is, I'm hopeful that one day it will be something that will help the rest of us "filthy casuals".
On the upside... it's still not as bad as Lineage 2! =D
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sagitter✭✭✭✭✭As someone said, the big difference is 0 cp vs 500-1000, but if you are good in pvp, cps don't make u god mode, i have beaten ppl with 700 cps when i had 250.
I wonder how do you know they had 700 cp. And "someone" said many things i prefer facts. Even the very devouted defender of the system Attorneyatlawl was saying that the difference is much smaller after 1000 cp.
Because i've found them grinding always in the same spot, and after /W whisper , they told me ^^0 -
markt84✭✭✭CPs will be the death of this game. And if there isn't a non-cp campaign before IC, I think it will happen fairly quickly. Allowing people with 1000cps hiding in walkways waiting to kill the people with few if not any, to take all their stones, yeah this situation is about to get a lot worse very quickly2
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OzJohnD✭✭✭✭I am delighted that my V1 CP's are additive to my V14's CPs ... he doesnt have to get the same as my V14 before they count.
I might get to 100 CPs before the next DLC
Everyone knows the phenomenon of trying to hold your breath underwater - how at first it's alright and you can handle it, and then as it gets closer and closer to the time when you must breathe, how urgent the need becomes, the lust and the hunger to breathe. And then the panic sets in when you begin to think that you won't be able to breathe - and finally, when you take in air and the anxiety subsides...that's what it's like to be a vampire and need blood.
Francis Ford Coppola - BS Dracula: The Film and the Legend0 -
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✭✭Justice31st wrote: »
Sounds like another problem entirely than the CP system. Like maybe consoles shouldn't have been delayed a year, or maybe, JUST MAYBE PC shouldn't have been able to transfer to console after a year when there was absolutely zero intention of cross-platforming the game so PC/console can play together.Member of the Psijic Order PTS Group0 -
crytantrevors✭✭✭Stop complaining and blaming your lack of skill on ingame mechanics and level up..... They are not going to ever remove cp or vet ranks. They will just end up re naming the vet ranks/re branding it but it will be the same.. Instead of vet 14 we will just see level 64 players. There will always be a gap between players in an mmorpg and with new content they will release new levels so the game is not stagnent.. If you dont like how mmorpgs work go play call of duty and stop trying to ruin a perfectly fine game1 -
Rinmaethodain✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes CP is still in game, providing diminishing perks for those who choose to spent their own and personal time in game, giving them a small prize for hard work the put into game.0 -
Rosveen✭✭✭✭✭
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You can like or dislike the CP system, both sides raise valid points, but calling the advantages "small" is simply dishonest.MaximusDargus wrote: »Yes CP is still in game, providing diminishing perks for those who choose to spent their own and personal time in game, giving them a small prize for hard work the put into game.
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markt84✭✭✭
You can like or dislike the CP system, both sides raise valid points, but calling the advantages "small" is simply dishonest.MaximusDargus wrote: »Yes CP is still in game, providing diminishing perks for those who choose to spent their own and personal time in game, giving them a small prize for hard work the put into game.
^this. That's the thing I get tired of when people argue for CPs. Everyone knows they provide a HUGE advantage. That's why people spend their days grinding for them2 -
Kloud✭✭✭You guys take this cp thing to far lol the one dude that has 1650 I have dueled with my 300 and it was a good fight so yeah its not as bad as you guys lead on and also a friend of mine with 140 cp beat a guy with 1400 cp in duels as well several times so yeah there's that.Edited by Kloud on August 17, 2015 1:05PM1
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Rinmaethodain✭✭✭✭✭
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You can like or dislike the CP system, both sides raise valid points, but calling the advantages "small" is simply dishonest.MaximusDargus wrote: »Yes CP is still in game, providing diminishing perks for those who choose to spent their own and personal time in game, giving them a small prize for hard work the put into game.
^this. That's the thing I get tired of when people argue for CPs. Everyone knows they provide a HUGE advantage. That's why people spend their days grinding for them
Thank you for that. "Spend their days grinding for them".
I love how everyone just post "OHEMGIE CPS ARE BAD AND OP" but at the same time they forgot it takes DAYS, WEEKS and MONTHS to earn them.
Its like everyone think you one day have 0 CP and you go to sleep and wake up and suddenly accident, omg, what i have done wrong i have 1000CP out of nowhere.
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markt84✭✭✭MaximusDargus wrote: »
You can like or dislike the CP system, both sides raise valid points, but calling the advantages "small" is simply dishonest.MaximusDargus wrote: »Yes CP is still in game, providing diminishing perks for those who choose to spent their own and personal time in game, giving them a small prize for hard work the put into game.
^this. That's the thing I get tired of when people argue for CPs. Everyone knows they provide a HUGE advantage. That's why people spend their days grinding for them
Thank you for that. "Spend their days grinding for them".
I love how everyone just post "OHEMGIE CPS ARE BAD AND OP" but at the same time they forgot it takes DAYS, WEEKS and MONTHS to earn them.
Its like everyone think you one day have 0 CP and you go to sleep and wake up and suddenly accident, omg, what i have done wrong i have 1000CP out of nowhere.
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sadownik✭✭✭✭✭
✭MaximusDargus wrote: »
You can like or dislike the CP system, both sides raise valid points, but calling the advantages "small" is simply dishonest.MaximusDargus wrote: »Yes CP is still in game, providing diminishing perks for those who choose to spent their own and personal time in game, giving them a small prize for hard work the put into game.
^this. That's the thing I get tired of when people argue for CPs. Everyone knows they provide a HUGE advantage. That's why people spend their days grinding for them
Thank you for that. "Spend their days grinding for them".
I love how everyone just post "OHEMGIE CPS ARE BAD AND OP" but at the same time they forgot it takes DAYS, WEEKS and MONTHS to earn them.
Its like everyone think you one day have 0 CP and you go to sleep and wake up and suddenly accident, omg, what i have done wrong i have 1000CP out of nowhere.
3600 points that suppose to last for years of character developement and people seem to get close to 1000? If you are willing to spare hours of your time with xp pots you get quite some cps from it.
I already see in guild chats people saying that they cant keep up with cps to other members and we are talking about 400 - 700 spread. Thats not how you get new players.
Im personally sitting on 98 cps and since a month or so i lost will to even log in so you might say that i dont play the game. Its strange though how people who say they love the game dont care if there will be new players.1 -
iamnotweakrwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭The guy with 1650 champion points is grinding about 10 per day. In other words he/she has spent 8 - 10 hours per day for the past 6 months just grinding C points.
There's just no way that's legit. If the person was a normal flesh and blood human their brains would be leaking out of their ears. No, what is more likely is they have a bot running and their bot grinds all those C points for them while they are off doing other things.
The fact that zen didn't design a system which prevents that kind of bs is disgusting. The fact that their fix won't even be released in the very near future is even more disgraceful. How many C points are the bots going to have accumulated by then? 2000? 2500?
Edited by iamnotweakrwb17_ESO on August 17, 2015 1:42PM1 -
Tolmos✭✭✭✭You guys take this cp thing to far lol the one dude that has 1650 I have dueled with my 300 and it was a good fight so yeah its not as bad as you guys lead on and also a friend of mine with 140 cp beat a guy with 1400 cp in duels as well several times so yeah there's that.
This would be an awesome post for /r/thathappened1 -
markt84✭✭✭You guys take this cp thing to far lol the one dude that has 1650 I have dueled with my 300 and it was a good fight so yeah its not as bad as you guys lead on and also a friend of mine with 140 cp beat a guy with 1400 cp in duels as well several times so yeah there's that.
This would be an awesome post for /r/thathappened
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Rinmaethodain✭✭✭✭✭
✭Im just looking forward for the day where ZOS finally decides to implement "0 CP" campaign, you enter it, you dont have any have any CP perks.
Its going to be interesting when people realise CP was not problem, and which thing the "nerf crowd" will target as the "new cause of not being competitive in pvp".1 -
markt84✭✭✭MaximusDargus wrote: »Im just looking forward for the day where ZOS finally decides to implement "0 CP" campaign, you enter it, you dont have any have any CP perks.
Its going to be interesting when people realise CP was not problem, and which thing the "nerf crowd" will target as the "new cause of not being competitive in pvp".
good point, taking out the guys that can 1v10 in PvP won't help anything. I will actually feel bad for the CP grinding crew, because when everyone is out grinding CPs, who will there be to kill in cyridiil. Guess you guys will just have to camp grinding spots0 -
Rinmaethodain✭✭✭✭✭
✭MaximusDargus wrote: »Im just looking forward for the day where ZOS finally decides to implement "0 CP" campaign, you enter it, you dont have any have any CP perks.
Its going to be interesting when people realise CP was not problem, and which thing the "nerf crowd" will target as the "new cause of not being competitive in pvp".
good point, taking out the guys that can 1v10 in PvP won't help anything. I will actually feel bad for the CP grinding crew, because when everyone is out grinding CPs, who will there be to kill in cyridiil. Guess you guys will just have to camp grinding spots
Im all for balance in PVP and equal changes.
Ideally i think everyone who enter into PVP should be treated like standardised army and soldiers. No shiny gear and standing out of the crowd. Gear is equal, standard military uniforms. No costiumes, no special color sets to make you less visible
No special sets. You have only selection of plain weapons wypes and plain light/med/heavy armors.
Everyone have same set of skills to chose from. No weapon or armor related skills. Only Alliance war skills. Everyone are equal. You can only do basic light and heavy attacks.
The total equality.
The problem would still stay, because for example racial passives, or one character being smaller than another.0 -
Pallmor✭✭✭✭✭
✭remember, one dude already has 1650+ CP
I'm not sure how a "seasonal cap" is supposed to help anyone when there are players out there who already have gotten that far. Introducing a seasonal cap now is like closing the stable gate after the horses have left, crossed the border into another country, established fake identities for themselves as legal itinerant horses, had families, and retired to comfortable assisted living stables.0 -
markt84✭✭✭MaximusDargus wrote: »MaximusDargus wrote: »Im just looking forward for the day where ZOS finally decides to implement "0 CP" campaign, you enter it, you dont have any have any CP perks.
Its going to be interesting when people realise CP was not problem, and which thing the "nerf crowd" will target as the "new cause of not being competitive in pvp".
good point, taking out the guys that can 1v10 in PvP won't help anything. I will actually feel bad for the CP grinding crew, because when everyone is out grinding CPs, who will there be to kill in cyridiil. Guess you guys will just have to camp grinding spots
Im all for balance in PVP and equal changes.
Ideally i think everyone who enter into PVP should be treated like standardised army and soldiers. No shiny gear and standing out of the crowd. Gear is equal, standard military uniforms. No costiumes, no special color sets to make you less visible
No special sets. You have only selection of plain weapons wypes and plain light/med/heavy armors.
Everyone have same set of skills to chose from. No weapon or armor related skills. Only Alliance war skills. Everyone are equal. You can only do basic light and heavy attacks.
The total equality.
The problem would still stay, because for example racial passives, or one character being smaller than another.
Way to take it to te extreme, I guess that's the only way to go when your argument is breaking down. I get that your scared tho, I mean people didn't grind for a rediculous amount of hours to have to fight other people that did too. How can you squash noobs with all your CPs when they can go to a non-cp campaign, I bet it will be real frustrating when that happens0 -
Rinmaethodain✭✭✭✭✭
✭MaximusDargus wrote: »MaximusDargus wrote: »Im just looking forward for the day where ZOS finally decides to implement "0 CP" campaign, you enter it, you dont have any have any CP perks.
Its going to be interesting when people realise CP was not problem, and which thing the "nerf crowd" will target as the "new cause of not being competitive in pvp".
good point, taking out the guys that can 1v10 in PvP won't help anything. I will actually feel bad for the CP grinding crew, because when everyone is out grinding CPs, who will there be to kill in cyridiil. Guess you guys will just have to camp grinding spots
Im all for balance in PVP and equal changes.
Ideally i think everyone who enter into PVP should be treated like standardised army and soldiers. No shiny gear and standing out of the crowd. Gear is equal, standard military uniforms. No costiumes, no special color sets to make you less visible
No special sets. You have only selection of plain weapons wypes and plain light/med/heavy armors.
Everyone have same set of skills to chose from. No weapon or armor related skills. Only Alliance war skills. Everyone are equal. You can only do basic light and heavy attacks.
The total equality.
The problem would still stay, because for example racial passives, or one character being smaller than another.
Way to take it to te extreme, I guess that's the only way to go when your argument is breaking down. I get that your scared tho, I mean people didn't grind for a rediculous amount of hours to have to fight other people that did too. How can you squash noobs with all your CPs when they can go to a non-cp campaign, I bet it will be real frustrating when that happens
I dont enjoy killing other players. I dont enjoy wasting their time, making them have to spawn far away and walk somewhere again. I enjoy how my character gets stronger so i can help other people do dungeons, and complete other feats.
Unfortunatly, people who apparently live with PVP only will always find something to complain about. And unfortunately ZOS rarely separates PVP from PVE so most of times when PVPers find something problematic, PVE will be hit with ricochet.
I often find it funny how PVP players can like complain about anything. Im sure that even with situation described above, where everyone would have access to exactly same things, noone would be worse, or better gear wise and skill wise, everyone would be same size and color and no racial passives, PVPers would find something to complain about, something that makes them "not competetive". Like for example, someone lives closer to server and he has low ping, while they are living further away. They would want to have everyones ping increased to the value of current highest ping in cyriodiil.
After that they would complain about, i dont know, that going from EP teritory to AD teritory is easier because there is downhill most of time while other way around you gotta ride uphill.0
