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Attacking from Stealth Should Give 0 Bonus Damage
Ishammael
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Title says it all.
From stealth you get:
1. INVISIBILITY, e.g. your opponent cannot see you
2. Choice of fight location and timing
3. First (and probably second and third) shots.
4. High likelihood of ability to run away since you chose your ground.
OK Nightblades, defend bonus damage from stealth.
From stealth you get:
1. INVISIBILITY, e.g. your opponent cannot see you
2. Choice of fight location and timing
3. First (and probably second and third) shots.
4. High likelihood of ability to run away since you chose your ground.
OK Nightblades, defend bonus damage from stealth.
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Master_Kas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭First you talking about sneak or cloak? Since cloak "only" gives a minor damage buff through nightblade or bosmer/khajiit racials.
Sneak bonus damage is a diffrent thing. Only reason I can think of is because this comes from ES genre, where sneakattacks gets bonus damage (tough obviously not as much in ESO as in singleplayer games) and since Rougues/assassins always get some perks from attacking from sneak. Its the fundamental design of the assassin class
Also EVERY class sneaking using melee or bow skills get sneak bonus damage (the big bonus damage). If they are bosmer/khajiit even more (10% more) so stop whining. So why "nightblades, defend bonus damage from stealth" when every class gets it?
You didn't think this one through did you? Just a random ragepost after you got ganked probably
Edited by Master_Kas on August 17, 2015 12:24AMEU | PC2 -
Mojmir✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Title says it all.
From stealth you get:
1. INVISIBILITY, e.g. your opponent cannot see you
2. Choice of fight location and timing
3. First (and probably second and third) shots.
4. High likelihood of ability to run away since you chose your ground.
OK Nightblades, defend bonus damage from stealth.
thieves been getting super backstab bonus for ages in alot of games, defend your reasoning7 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Why don't staff attacks get bonus dmg?PS4 EU DC
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Ishammael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Dang! I didn't think I'd get this much hate so fast! Bring it!
Also, I listed four reasons. Nobody yet has listed a good reason to have bonus damage from stealth.0 -
BrassRazoo✭✭✭✭✭That's because Nightblades are cowards who hide in the shadows and just gank people.
They need the bonus damage as this is the only way they can kill people.
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Mojmir✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭BrassRazoo wrote: »That's because Nightblades are cowards who hide in the shadows and just gank people.
They need the bonus damage as this is the only way they can kill people.
we prefer to call it bursting,but ok.
so we should do like the british and just stand out in the open and get pummelled like civilized combatants?3 -
Because I said so. I dont mind the damage from behind damage bonus.
Why do you?
If this is the case then mage should not have triple shield.
bosmer/khajiit should not have crit bonus
Dark Elf should not have fire Buff and so on and so on. Its a play style
dont like it dont play it......have a nice assassinated dayEdited by DrizztWulfgar on August 17, 2015 12:34AM3 -
Master_Kas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Dang! I didn't think I'd get this much hate so fast! Bring it!
Also, I listed four reasons. Nobody yet has listed a good reason to have bonus damage from stealth.
I listed a valid reason, and told you that any class gets stealth bonus damage using bow and melee skills/attacks.
So again, WHY you say "nightblades" when every class gets it? Stop avoiding , or you're a troll.
Edit: No reply, so that settles it this guy is just a raging troll . Have fun, hope you get instagibbed alot
Edited by Master_Kas on August 17, 2015 12:50AMEU | PC2 -
Mojmir✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭lol? you started the ranting post, im quite fine with what i run, its an assassin based class. as far as sorcs, thats your problem as well, when have you ever seen a mage run around in full plate armor? of course they have shields!! and "i said so" so does not win any argument, u sound like a failing parent. racial bonus are a problem to for you? you might be more apt for chess, with all the pcs the same color and a trophy for coming in 2nd.Edited by Mojmir on August 17, 2015 12:37AM0 -
thelordoffelines✭✭✭✭✭Because you are getting hit unexpextedly. If i just walked up to you and suxker punched you in th face it would hurt a lot more than if we were fighting and i punched you in the face which you would see coming and brace yourelf for the hit.3
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Ishammael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Blackhorne wrote: »
The fact that you get those four benefits means that a damage bonus on top is not necessary.0 -
Rust_in_Peace✭✭✭✭✭1) sneaking takes time and preparation
2) it takes patience waiting for a target
3) when people aren't paying attention their defenses aren't up
4) in real life when people sneak up and attack others, like how Ish goes about getting women back to his basement apartment, it's easier to do it when they aren't suspecting; like in a dark alley where the woman parked her car after work (just ask Ish)
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eNumbra✭✭✭✭✭I was serious when I said it the first time. Get out.
Stealth damage bonuses are a staple of not only the Elder scrolls series but every fantasy/RPG series in existence. Their trade off is reduced survivability/sustainability compared to other classes, especially when given the ability to stack damage on the opening shot.
Even if Zenimax were in the market to listen to such an outrageous suggestion, it is unlikely they would so patently kill the nightblade class by doing such a thing.
You are a troll, writing a troll thread. Get out.2 -
DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I don't know why I'm doing this but...- It brings diversity to the game. Having different mechanics (such as stamina attacks gaining extra damage from sneak) brings complexity to the game. Removing these mechanics would constitute to dumbing down of the game.
- Sneak attack damage has actually been a defining feature of rogue/assassin characters since pen&paper RPGs.
- Your likelihood of "choosing fight location and timing" is just about the same as it is for Sorcerers with Bolt Escape.
- If anything, this game needs more stealth mechanics. Most games have more skills that incorporate stealth somehow (e.g. in WoW you get a whole new bar for stealth skills, which you can only use from stealth)
Have a good day/night.Edited by DDuke on August 17, 2015 1:32AM1 -
Ezareth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭While personally I hate Stealth gankers, I appreciate their presence in the game and I enjoy killing them more than any other player.
If you remove their bonus from attacking from stealth, they'll be at an even greater disadvantage.
Instead always expect them to be about to attack you, and have a build/plan at hand to address that.Permanently banned from the forums for displaying dissent: ESO - The Year Behind
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Blackhorne✭✭✭✭Blackhorne wrote: »
The fact that you get those four benefits means that a damage bonus on top is not necessary.
Prove that assertion.0 -
nordsavage✭✭✭✭✭This is Elder Scrolls crit from sneak is a franchise standard deal with it.I didn't choose tank life, tank life chose me.1 -
Lava_Croft✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I think OP got killed by a Nightblade from sneak, mixes it up with being attacked from cloak and then wrote a slight rage-post.
Try Radiant Magelight.Edited by Lava_Croft on August 17, 2015 2:59AM2 -
Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭That feeling when you buff, sneak up and 1 hit someone with uppercut. I hope this never gets removed or changed. It kind of makes sense too. When you sneak up on someone their guard is down, so of course they will receive extra damage.0 -
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✭Lava_Croft wrote: »I think OP got killed by a Nightblade from sneak, mixes it up with being attacked from cloak and then wrote a slight rage-post.
Try Radiant Magelight.
This. Attacking out of stealth gets a lot of bonuses. So you as the victim must learn to counter. There are plenty of ways to do so. And typically when this character type fails to immediately kill you they are ill equipped to handle your inevitable counter attack.
Based on the content of the original post we know for a FACT the OP does not play an assassin type build, NB or otherwise. This seems like a "Nerf other thing that I don't do cause it killed me" thread. Not productive.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Because lore reasons and mechanics from other TES gamesEdited by Nifty2g on August 17, 2015 3:54AM#MOREORBS2 -
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✭Contrary to the majority of people's opinion..
I agree. The bonus of stealth should be stealth itself.Fire Cloak - VR12 DK - Nord - EP
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