The Effect of ESO on Future Elder Scrolls Games

Junkogen · August 2015

What effect, if any, will ESO have on future Elder Scrolls games? For example, will all these crazy new mounts make it into future games or will they stick to horses?

What do you all think should stay in future games? What should be left out for whatever reason?

FilthyMudcrabs · August 2015

Hopefully this game will have no effect whatsoever on future Elder Scrolls games.

Kammakazi · August 2015

This game will have no effect.

Psychobunni · August 2015

Dragons should be left out. (as in there is none active now, keep it that way)

Junkogen · August 2015

FilthyMudcrabs wrote: »

Hopefully this game will have no effect whatsoever on future Elder Scrolls games.

Why not?

Ranique · August 2015

I think all ESO games have contributed something unique to the games.
I do hope the new lore stays in. Specially the thieves and dark brotherhood guilds have strong potential cause they are yet very young organisations in ESO, so it can set the score bout why they exist and why they function the way they do.

But most off all, for TES6 I hope that we leave Tamriel. With ESO we got a modern game for the first time since Arena where you visit all of Tamriel. with the DLC's we will open up more and more.

That is why I would love to go to Akavir. It opens up all kinds of new and unexplored lands. books full of lore, new races, new organisations, etc.

Prof_Bawbag · August 2015

Tbh, even TES games have no real knock on effect on the next game. Take Oblivion for example, you heard a little bit about it during a certain Daedric quest and the rest was more or less confined to a book or two in Skyrim. The same holds true with the other games.

NadiusMaximus · August 2015

None.
Comparing ESO to an actual ES game is like comparing the StarWars Christmas special with A New Hope.
It has some of the basic elements, but isn't in the same class at all.

Darlgon · August 2015

This game is made by ZoS, a subsidiary of Bethesda, as a MMO. The single player games are made by Bethesda. Bethesda uses and entirely different team for those games. They are actually working on Elder Scrolls VI right now, if last years announcement holds true.

Think Star Trek under Gene Roddenberry vs Star Trek under JJ Abrams. Call it an "Alternate timeline", if you will.

Totalitarian · August 2015

Well, if they keep anything, I hope that they keep the keybindings that they have on PC.

In ESO, accessing everything is done with a click of one key.

In the other games, it took quite a bit more to pull up inventory, or quests.

I like ESO's keybindings over all the other Elder Scrolls games' keybindings.

Lenikus · August 2015

Darlgon wrote: »

Call it an "Alternate timeline", if you will.

Yay dragon breaks.

Still, yup, no effect on next games whatsoever. You want new mounts? just add mods, as we always did in other ES games

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WhiteCoatSyndrome · August 2015

I expect at the very least some of the new books will pop up in ESVI libraries and such. Maybe we'll get a couple cameos of well known NPCs. And the laboratory with all the Celestial Daedra practically screamed 'this is going to be a quest in the future!' with that whole 'these wards should hold for a thousand years' line.

AngryNord · August 2015

Kammakazi wrote: »

This game will have no effect.

Sadly looks like you're wrong: http://www.vg247.com/2015/08/10/no-new-elder-scrolls-game-announcements-for-a-very-long-time/

Danikat · August 2015

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Tbh, even TES games have no real knock on effect on the next game. Take Oblivion for example, you heard a little bit about it during a certain Daedric quest and the rest was more or less confined to a book or two in Skyrim. The same holds true with the other games.

Except for the fact that the events of Oblivion, specifically the assassination of the entire Imperial family (culminating in Martin sacrificing himself to close the Oblivion Gates) is what left the Empire leaderless and enabled the Dominion to take over most of Tamriel and force the Imperials to form an 'alliance' which the Nords rejected, leading to civil war in Skyrim...aka a major theme of the entire game.

eNumbra · August 2015

AngryNord wrote: »

Kammakazi wrote: »

This game will have no effect.

Sadly looks like you're wrong: http://www.vg247.com/2015/08/10/no-new-elder-scrolls-game-announcements-for-a-very-long-time/

Yeah, that likely has more to do with Fallout 4 than it does with ESO. Bethesda hasn't run Fallout and Elder Scrolls concurrently and they won't start now.

Volkodav · August 2015

Ranique wrote: »

I think all ESO games have contributed something unique to the games.
I do hope the new lore stays in. Specially the thieves and dark brotherhood guilds have strong potential cause they are yet very young organisations in ESO, so it can set the score bout why they exist and why they function the way they do.

But most off all, for TES6 I hope that we leave Tamriel. With ESO we got a modern game for the first time since Arena where you visit all of Tamriel. with the DLC's we will open up more and more.

That is why I would love to go to Akavir. It opens up all kinds of new and unexplored lands. books full of lore, new races, new organisations, etc.

The thieves and dark brotherhood guilds arent new lore.They were in Morrowind.You could join either one and each had their own armor. I only wish they were in this game.Both guilds and armor.

Artheiron · August 2015

I'm not sure. ESO Story isn't a bad gap closer. Maybe they won't make a new game imperial city rotated, cyrodiil's map cropped to look like a triangle. But I fear in future (20+ years) fans won't remember this game or consider it a part of elder scrolls games family.

tplink3r1 · August 2015

Ranique wrote: »

I think all ESO games have contributed something unique to the games.
I do hope the new lore stays in. Specially the thieves and dark brotherhood guilds have strong potential cause they are yet very young organisations in ESO, so it can set the score bout why they exist and why they function the way they do.

But most off all, for TES6 I hope that we leave Tamriel. With ESO we got a modern game for the first time since Arena where you visit all of Tamriel. with the DLC's we will open up more and more.

That is why I would love to go to Akavir. It opens up all kinds of new and unexplored lands. books full of lore, new races, new organisations, etc.

Let me guess... you never played other TES games?

anitajoneb17_ESO · August 2015

If ESO has ONE guaranteed effect over the solo TES series it's the delay of TES6. They won't release it until they're 150% sure it's not going to impact ESO sales/subs one way or the other.

In other words, if ESO dies we'll see TES6 sooner, or if ESO does sooo well that they're sure people will go back to ESO after having played TES6.

For now none of this is settled so of course, no news about TES6. Logical.

RizaHawkeye · August 2015

FilthyMudcrabs wrote: »

Hopefully this game will have no effect whatsoever on future Elder Scrolls games.

Thank you for saying that. I support your naivety.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

If ESO has ONE guaranteed effect over the solo TES series it's the delay of TES6. They won't release it until they're 150% sure it's not going to impact ESO sales/subs one way or the other.

In other words, if ESO dies we'll see TES6 sooner, or if ESO does sooo well that they're sure people will go back to ESO after having played TES6.

For now none of this is settled so of course, no news about TES6. Logical.

I think this is very, very true. And ESO isn't going to die. They'll do whatever is necessary, including selling all kinds of trash in the Crown Store, to keep this baby alive.

AngryNord wrote: »

Kammakazi wrote: »

This game will have no effect.

Sadly looks like you're wrong: http://www.vg247.com/2015/08/10/no-new-elder-scrolls-game-announcements-for-a-very-long-time/

Yes, it sad, particularly when you read:

"If Bethesda uses the words “Elder” and “Scrolls” it’s going to be in relation to DLC and new content for the MMO."

I suspect it will be a long, long time before we see another TES title - and I mean a long time. And when it does come out, I suspect it will be nothing like other games that went before it.

Scyantific · August 2015

RizaHawkeye wrote: »

I suspect it will be a long, long time before we see another TES title - and I mean a long time. And when it does come out, I suspect it will be nothing like other games that went before it.

Well of course we're not going to see a new TES game for a while. Bethesda is busy getting FO4 ready for release, and then their attention shift over into DLC for FO4.

Game will have no effect on future TES games. In fact, it's a pretty safe bet that TES VI will deal with the fallout of the events from TES V

eNumbra · August 2015

Scyantific wrote: »

RizaHawkeye wrote: »

I suspect it will be a long, long time before we see another TES title - and I mean a long time. And when it does come out, I suspect it will be nothing like other games that went before it.

Well of course we're not going to see a new TES game for a while. Bethesda is busy getting FO4 ready for release, and then their attention shift over into DLC for FO4.

Shh, don't spoil their ESO bashing with logic.

Scyantific · August 2015

lol@people who think that Bethesda is also working on ESO.

Totally different studios.

This is why I hate people who just roll in not knowing squat about the TES series. Worst example is people asking "DURR WHEN WE GETTING SKYRIM 2 DURR"

Gidorick · August 2015

I think future TES games will include the lorebooks in ESO. I also think ESO will likely have some influence on future map layouts and landmarks. I think we could very well see whatever land TES 6 is set in tie into an ESO DLC.

Darlgon · August 2015

AngryNord wrote: »

Kammakazi wrote: »

This game will have no effect.

Sadly looks like you're wrong: http://www.vg247.com/2015/08/10/no-new-elder-scrolls-game-announcements-for-a-very-long-time/

Sigh.. bummer.. Cant find the article, but when ZoS was promoting ESO (non-TU) last year, at one of the convetions, Bethesda had an article stating that the team was starting development of ESO VI, summer 2014. I guess that changed.

anitajoneb17_ESO · August 2015

Scyantific wrote: »

lol@people who think that Bethesda is also working on ESO.

Bethesda isn't working on ESO. BUT the money flows from the same source for BGS and for ZOS and the decisions regarding market shares / investments / profits are made by these same people above, for both. Especially such a strategic decision as release schedule.

In that regard it's sure that numbers for ESO will affect schedule and development for TES6.

Now as to the actual content of TES6 the franchise lore is still very solid, rich and consistent and there's plenty of room for new stories and lore for TES6. I think ESO positioned itself way outside of the franchise by choosing the era 1000 years before Skyrim. I think (though not sure) that TES6 will take place after Skyrim, so while ESO events are part of the "global history" they don't have to directly impact TES6.

RizaHawkeye · August 2015

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Scyantific wrote: »

lol@people who think that Bethesda is also working on ESO.

Bethesda isn't working on ESO. BUT the money flows from the same source for BGS and for ZOS and the decisions regarding market shares / investments / profits are made by these same people above, for both. Especially such a strategic decision as release schedule.

In that regard it's sure that numbers for ESO will affect schedule and development for TES6.

Now as to the actual content of TES6 the franchise lore is still very solid, rich and consistent and there's plenty of room for new stories and lore for TES6. I think ESO positioned itself way outside of the franchise by choosing the era 1000 years before Skyrim. I think (though not sure) that TES6 will take place after Skyrim, so while ESO events are part of the "global history" they don't have to directly impact TES6.

Thank you so much for pointing that out.

There are two Bethesda companies and two Zenimax Companies: Bethesda Game Studios, which made Skyrim and Bethesda Softworks which publishes for Bethesda Game Studios, Zenimax Online, Arkane Studios and several other game studios. Another company named ZeniMax Media, Inc. owns these studios.

From Todd Howard's Dice 2012 Keynote: see starting at 2:39 for a (humorous) summary of the company structure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7awkYKbKHik

Scyantific wrote: »

lol@people who think that Bethesda is also working on ESO.

Totally different studios.

This is why I hate people who just roll in not knowing squat about the TES series. Worst example is people asking "DURR WHEN WE GETTING SKYRIM 2 DURR"

Yeah, I know what you mean. It's like when people come to the forum and spout off what they know nothing about.

As demonstrated by the Todd Howard's speech above, Bethesda Game Studios and Zenimax Online are not "totally different studios." They are two studios owned and published the same company - and have been since Morrowind. You do know that about the TES series, right? Because if you didn't, well, then you probably wouldn't know ... squat, huh?

Todd Howard (ever heard of him? He's been the game director for the TES series since Morrowind) has said in an interview that, while he does not want to work on the MMO project (watch the video and he'll tell you why ... very funny), Zenimax Online has been given the support of and access to assets from the previous TES games. He also wrote a statement, on the day ESO was released over a year ago, that stated that Zenimax Online has the full support of Bethesda Game Studios.

Obviously, Fallout 4 and all it's DLC are going to come first because (1) Bethesda Online Studios has historically worked on only one game at a time and with complete focus and (2) because they haven't significantly increased the size of their studio. That's a no-brainer. But the companies - and I'm referring to the two parent companies - aren't going to compete against themselves either. IF there is still life left in ESO:TU when Fallout 4 and it's DLC are done, then I would expect BOS to move to a project that was not TES related. Which means ... yeah ... it's gonna be a long time.

And it's not ESO bashing. It's simply the ability to comprehend English. I get that not everyone can do that.

sadownik · August 2015

Scyantific wrote: »

lol@people who think that Bethesda is also working on ESO.

Totally different studios.

This is why I hate people who just roll in not knowing squat about the TES series. Worst example is people asking "DURR WHEN WE GETTING SKYRIM 2 DURR"

Nobody is saying that bethesda is working on eso, please work on your reading skills. We are talking about effects of ESO on TES universe and since bethesda is the developer of single player TES games its logical to speculate what will be the outcome.

waterfairy · August 2015

Hopefully none...I want the new Fallout 4 features to have an effect like customizable weapons and building your own small stronghold town.

Tholian1 · August 2015

I consider ESO to be an alternate universe.

RizaHawkeye · August 2015

Tholian1 wrote: »

I consider ESO to be an alternate universe.

Insightful and I really hope you're right and it's treated like that.

I would be perfectly happy if nothing from ESO found it's way into TES. And if there IS another TES game. I don't care where, and I really don't care when, I would just like another sole player game ... sometime.

And I want Todd Howard to do it, because he's done such a good job on the other games. And he's cute.

Vigarr wrote: »

Hopefully none...I want the new Fallout 4 features to have an effect like customizable weapons and building your own small stronghold town.

I actually wanted this in Skyrim. Not the Hearthfire house, but the ability to build your own fortress/bandit compound like the ones around Whiterun. Build my own fortress, run some bandits as companions, raid, raid, raid.