Console: Should text chat be implemented with the IC patch?

MrGrimey · August 2015

Yes

Question to those opposed to text chat:

Why does it matter to you if they add or don't add text chat? If they don't add it, good for you. If they do add it, then you get more options to play the game, group up or sell things. I really can't wrap my head around why some of you are wasting so much energy to keep options that benefit the social aspect away from the game.

Please explain to me why you guys are so against such a basic mmo option, please guys, tell me! I'm starting to lose faith in humanity.

KiraTsukasa · August 2015

No

MrGrimey wrote: »

Question to those opposed to text chat:

Why does it matter to you if they add or don't add text chat? If they don't add it, good for you. If they do add it, then you get more options to play the game, group up or sell things. I really can't wrap my head around why some of you are wasting so much energy to keep options that benefit the social aspect away from the game.

Please explain to me why you guys are so against such a basic mmo option, please guys, tell me! I'm starting to lose faith in humanity.

My initial post on this subject sums up my thoughts on the matter:

"I've played more MMOs than I can remember, and have used nothing but text chat in all of them. With that said, I don't see how text chat would work on consoles. Entering text on Xbox is clunky as all hell, and I realize that that's the best they can do. It takes easily five times longer (possibly even more, I haven't actually timed myself) to enter a screen name or password on Xbox compared to PC. Text chat conversations need to be quick and easy, and that's just not very doable on a console. Also, because you can't easily resize and relocate UI elements like you could on a PC, you're running the risk of the chat box being either too big and obtrusive, or so small that you can't read the text, neither of which will make it useful.

Now, let me make it clear, I'm NOT against text chat. I just don't find the concept of it to be practical on a console."

Chaos_Deception · August 2015

Zenimax could learn a lot from Square Enix's "Final Fantasy XIV A Realm Reborn".

They Implemented the Full UI of the PC Version, Including Multi-Chanel Text Chat.

That can be Hidden, Resized. Relocated and Faded.

And a Global Marketplace, that is Accessible to All Players. Instead of the Fractured Guild Sellers System.

Eriquito3 · August 2015

Yes

TequilaFire wrote: »

Please stop making this personal.
Kind of silly.

Nothing personal was involved in my statement. Stop trying to detract away from the topic.

MrGrimey · August 2015

Yes

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

MrGrimey wrote: »

Question to those opposed to text chat:

Why does it matter to you if they add or don't add text chat? If they don't add it, good for you. If they do add it, then you get more options to play the game, group up or sell things. I really can't wrap my head around why some of you are wasting so much energy to keep options that benefit the social aspect away from the game.

Please explain to me why you guys are so against such a basic mmo option, please guys, tell me! I'm starting to lose faith in humanity.

My initial post on this subject sums up my thoughts on the matter:

"I've played more MMOs than I can remember, and have used nothing but text chat in all of them. With that said, I don't see how text chat would work on consoles. Entering text on Xbox is clunky as all hell, and I realize that that's the best they can do. It takes easily five times longer (possibly even more, I haven't actually timed myself) to enter a screen name or password on Xbox compared to PC. Text chat conversations need to be quick and easy, and that's just not very doable on a console. Also, because you can't easily resize and relocate UI elements like you could on a PC, you're running the risk of the chat box being either too big and obtrusive, or so small that you can't read the text, neither of which will make it useful.

Now, let me make it clear, I'm NOT against text chat. I just don't find the concept of it to be practical on a console."

I've played a ton dcuo and a bit final fantasy on console... Text chat works great. Text chat has two main purposes when used on console; to form a group AND to sell stuff. To reiterate, use text chat as a way to reach the masses and when in the dungeon, use group chat. It works great.

Forming a group with voice chat is really frustrating when you're looking for that 1 healer or tank, picture running around on your horse in the sea of squeaky kids, crying babies and blasting music running from town to town to area to area asking if anyone can heal the daily. It's a joke and I'm amazed that they made a mmo with no way to communicate to more than a small area at a time

NewBlacksmurf · August 2015

No

MrGrimey wrote: »

Question to those opposed to text chat:

Why does it matter to you if they add or don't add text chat? If they don't add it, good for you. If they do add it, then you get more options to play the game, group up or sell things. I really can't wrap my head around why some of you are wasting so much energy to keep options that benefit the social aspect away from the game.

Please explain to me why you guys are so against such a basic mmo option, please guys, tell me! I'm starting to lose faith in humanity.

a lot of us provided a couple of comment pages ago to each of our concerns but in efforts to move the topic on its now more of a ZOS has decided not to put this into the game and I'm in support of that decision for the reasons they provided on ESO live.

There are the obvious reasons tho which are apparent causes of concern shown here and also in-game on PC or any game that utilizes text chat boxes. Communication needs to exist in some form, and it does in a form that is less intrusive to us all on console.

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Draghorn · August 2015

MrGrimey wrote: »

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

MrGrimey wrote: »

Question to those opposed to text chat:

Why does it matter to you if they add or don't add text chat? If they don't add it, good for you. If they do add it, then you get more options to play the game, group up or sell things. I really can't wrap my head around why some of you are wasting so much energy to keep options that benefit the social aspect away from the game.

Please explain to me why you guys are so against such a basic mmo option, please guys, tell me! I'm starting to lose faith in humanity.

My initial post on this subject sums up my thoughts on the matter:

"I've played more MMOs than I can remember, and have used nothing but text chat in all of them. With that said, I don't see how text chat would work on consoles. Entering text on Xbox is clunky as all hell, and I realize that that's the best they can do. It takes easily five times longer (possibly even more, I haven't actually timed myself) to enter a screen name or password on Xbox compared to PC. Text chat conversations need to be quick and easy, and that's just not very doable on a console. Also, because you can't easily resize and relocate UI elements like you could on a PC, you're running the risk of the chat box being either too big and obtrusive, or so small that you can't read the text, neither of which will make it useful.

Now, let me make it clear, I'm NOT against text chat. I just don't find the concept of it to be practical on a console."

...in the sea of squeaky kids, crying babies and blasting music...

That sounds way more intrusive than a text chat in the corner that at least I can easily ignore if I want to.

Kleptobrainiac · August 2015

No

This thread is about text chat being added to the IC patch.

It will most definitely not be added. That is a definitive answer from Zen.

Any further discussion is an exercise in redundant futility.

However there are things you can do to help you cope with Zen's decision to change things up a bit.

Firstly, I would recommend thinking about where you fit in on a personal level using the chart below.

Also, feel free to PM me here on the forums. I'm here to help you guys. I'm here for you!

Soul_of_Odin · August 2015

senhavran wrote: »

I read that some people went back to FFXIV, well on the contrary I left FFXIV to play ESO because I like the minimalistic UI, I like that there is no text floating over every heads, I like that the quests are actually worth reading and listenning, I think that ESO is more "realistic" than any other MMO out there.

The beautiful thing about FFXIV is you can turn all that off if you want. Don't like seeing all the numbers on the screen ? Turn 'em off! Don't like seeing all the name plates over NPCs/enemies/other PCs heads? Turn 'em off! Want a minimalist ui? Turn off everything you don't want to see! Hell, I messed around last night to see if I could get that ESO minimalist ui happening and found that I could go even further than ESO allows. I was left with my ability bars and nothing else.

And that's really what this is about. Options. The ability to appeal to as many gamers as possible. Just because a game has XYZ like another game does not mean it's a clone or a "wannabe" or what have you. All cars have gas gauges, speedometers, tires and a steering wheel but you wouldn't say all cars are the same because of that, would you?

The core of the game should be strong enough to stand on it's own and entice players to want to try it out. Being able to tell players that they can get a classic ES experience or a more standard MMO experience would be a strong selling point.

Instead it's our way or GTFO.

sirhctpac · August 2015

Yes

Kleptobrainiac wrote: »

This thread is about text chat being added to the IC patch.

It will most definitely not be added. That is a definitive answer from Zen.

Any further discussion is an exercise in redundant futility.

However there are things you can do to help you cope with Zen's decision to change things up a bit.

Firstly, I would recommend thinking about where you fit in on a personal level using the chart below.

Also, feel free to PM me here on the forums. I'm here to help you guys. I'm here for you!

^ BAIT^
A blatant attempt to push people's buttons and start a "forum riot(lol)" and get this thread closed; don't fall for it.
1) We all know ZOS has never made a definitive statement on this since the game actually went live and the complaint trickle from beta became a flood.
2) Trying to psychoanalyze players' frustration at the lack of networking tools in the game is laughable. Let's say you buy a cell phone that's marketed as functionally identical to an iPhone but can only make cellular calls and use VOIP. You then protest to its manufacturer and join other consumers in their protests. Can your mental state be evaluated by those actions? Is it reasonable for anyone to try to perform said evaluation? No? Ok, let's ignore that post shall we?

mrskinskull · August 2015

No

F7sus4 wrote: »

I'm not a console player myself, but I saw how the voice chat works at YT and it's just ridiculous.

Those clips are cherry picked.

Area chat is actually very functional and fun.

mrskinskull · August 2015

No

sirhctpac wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

sirhctpac wrote: »

Eriquito3 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Eriquito3 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Soul_of_Odin wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote:

You must mean those other games that failed to gather enough mass appeal to keep them from having to go free to play.

Or
I guess you might mean the other game that still charges for content and keeps a mandatory monthly sub, because its player base is so tiny. In buisness terms, obviously.

ESO needs to hit the bullseye of casual gamers here.

Text chat is a ui cluttering gust of wind, IMO.

Tiny player base? You're not talking about the 2nd biggest MMO on the market, are you?

http://www.pcgamesn.com/final-fantasy-xiv-a-realm-reborn/naoki-yoshida-on-the-success-of-final-fantasy-xiv-the-most-important-attribute-is-not-giving-up

You seem to conveniently forget that ESO started as subscription only but had to drop it because it was, as you put it, a financial failure.

Actually the subscription was removed according to ZOS largely due to the release requirements for Xbox One and PS4.
Nothing factual suggests otherwise but let's get back on topic

The final fantasy game took a simple player game and moved it into a world
World of Warcraft took a single player game (multiplayer modes) and made a multiplayer game
TES allowed ZOS to take a single player game and make a multiplayer game.

In each of these games the developers had existing developers move the product BUT in this game a different group of developers set out to keep an existing customer base and move to a different genre. The big difference tho is that only two have done this on console.

Only one has done this in three different platforms.

Different DeVs, diff game genre, different platforms AND this is the only game that's done so with different UI's by platform.

Before you throw another game into an argument you've got to find a good example.
There isn't one game that has done so with different DeVs and different UI , different communication and peripherials by platform on three different networks.

To say it's easy cause XYZ game did so has no bearing at all

Actually it has alot of bearing, because if several console mmo's have it.... why can't eso?

Your logic makes no sense.

And now to the chat bubble people were talking about.

This is why n chat bubbles won't work. They can't reach the entire zone, it would just as limited as voice chat. We need a text based chat system that can reach entire zones... you know... like pc text chat....

So many illogical conclusions and suggestions in this thread it is rediculous.

First it has no bearing to use another random game that isn't consistent with how this game came to be as an example of why this game should mirror another game that obviously so many left to play this instead.

Second it's not my logic but the reality of the examples many ppl are attempting to make as an argument. It's not apples to apples so this is why so many arguments arise...the comparison isn't a good one and allows a lot of room for debate.

The chat bubble is something others are talking about.
Scroll way back or just follow that my attempts to focus the discussion or what some suggest as derailing is actually based on the ZOS response of what they would be open to adjusting which is radial emote text (this is in the ESO live that I keep suggesting ppl watch)

Finally...yes this thread is ridiculous. Pages and pages of comments with many who had no clue that this was already discussed reviewed and responded to by ZOS months ago

Your logic as to why other console mmo's can't be compared to another console mmo is...let's say... ilogical...

This is a quite simple discussion that has been fluffed up by your illogical banter.

You took place in and supported the chat bubble idea and I simply explained why it will not work.

Now once again there is no other system that will allow people to speak to full zones of players like text chat can, so once again... why should a great tool such as that not be implemented when it proved itself successful on every other console mmo, AND also proved successful on the PC version of the same exact game.

You have yet to give a logical response to that question and also have not given an alternative that is just as effective text chat.

And they won't give you one, man. There's a reason for it: they're TES fans that don't want anything that will make this game viable as what it is: an MMO. There's no excuse for opposing a text box that can be turned off; in fact I'll do them one better, the default setting can be off and we'll be the ones to undertake the onerous task of turning it on in the option menu.
They want a single player game(possibly with the added spice of running in to a PC or two while questing) and nothing we can say will change that.

Respectfully this topic became illogical after the June ESO live episode.

June was the month ESO launched; it was illogical before the public even had access to the game!? No, dude, I'm sorry. Companies, especially those offering continuing services must and do listen to overwhelming consumer demands when they've made a poor choice.
That's what's happened and that's what these flood of forum discussions have been about.

Flood?

Lol.

You must mean the five guys who pester the forum more than they play the game.

I won't name and shame but cmon, this thread is long because it just loops and the pro text crowd just types out long blocks of grey text rehashing the same failed idea.

Flood?

Go play the game, its way more fun than this.

BaconMagic · August 2015

Yes

mrskinskull wrote: »

F7sus4 wrote: »

I'm not a console player myself, but I saw how the voice chat works at YT and it's just ridiculous.

Those clips are cherry picked.

Area chat is actually very functional and fun.

Excepting the fact that area chat is just that, AREA. God forbid I want get a message to someone out of proximity, then what? Area chat is woefully lacking in that sense. If we had zone chat channels or designated channels for LFG or trade, maybe voice would be functional, but the proximity limitation is absurd albeit necessary to prevent overloading.

TequilaFire · August 2015

No

Eriquito3 wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

Please stop making this personal.
Kind of silly.

Nothing personal was involved in my statement. Stop trying to detract away from the topic.

Yes it was, you imply that I am league with someone else working against text chat.
My opinions are my own and no one elses.
I have said in almost every post I am not against text chat, but against adding it in a rush to IC DLC/Patch which is the question asked by the OP not to debate whether is should be added at all.
If text chat is so good how come you can't scroll back and comprehend my posts which is supposed tp be
the strength of text?

Oh wait, then there would be less drama.

sirhctpac · August 2015

Yes

mrskinskull wrote: »

sirhctpac wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

sirhctpac wrote: »

Eriquito3 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Eriquito3 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Soul_of_Odin wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote:

You must mean those other games that failed to gather enough mass appeal to keep them from having to go free to play.

Or
I guess you might mean the other game that still charges for content and keeps a mandatory monthly sub, because its player base is so tiny. In buisness terms, obviously.

ESO needs to hit the bullseye of casual gamers here.

Text chat is a ui cluttering gust of wind, IMO.

Tiny player base? You're not talking about the 2nd biggest MMO on the market, are you?

http://www.pcgamesn.com/final-fantasy-xiv-a-realm-reborn/naoki-yoshida-on-the-success-of-final-fantasy-xiv-the-most-important-attribute-is-not-giving-up

You seem to conveniently forget that ESO started as subscription only but had to drop it because it was, as you put it, a financial failure.

Actually the subscription was removed according to ZOS largely due to the release requirements for Xbox One and PS4.
Nothing factual suggests otherwise but let's get back on topic

The final fantasy game took a simple player game and moved it into a world
World of Warcraft took a single player game (multiplayer modes) and made a multiplayer game
TES allowed ZOS to take a single player game and make a multiplayer game.

In each of these games the developers had existing developers move the product BUT in this game a different group of developers set out to keep an existing customer base and move to a different genre. The big difference tho is that only two have done this on console.

Only one has done this in three different platforms.

Different DeVs, diff game genre, different platforms AND this is the only game that's done so with different UI's by platform.

Before you throw another game into an argument you've got to find a good example.
There isn't one game that has done so with different DeVs and different UI , different communication and peripherials by platform on three different networks.

To say it's easy cause XYZ game did so has no bearing at all

Actually it has alot of bearing, because if several console mmo's have it.... why can't eso?

Your logic makes no sense.

And now to the chat bubble people were talking about.

This is why n chat bubbles won't work. They can't reach the entire zone, it would just as limited as voice chat. We need a text based chat system that can reach entire zones... you know... like pc text chat....

So many illogical conclusions and suggestions in this thread it is rediculous.

First it has no bearing to use another random game that isn't consistent with how this game came to be as an example of why this game should mirror another game that obviously so many left to play this instead.

Second it's not my logic but the reality of the examples many ppl are attempting to make as an argument. It's not apples to apples so this is why so many arguments arise...the comparison isn't a good one and allows a lot of room for debate.

The chat bubble is something others are talking about.
Scroll way back or just follow that my attempts to focus the discussion or what some suggest as derailing is actually based on the ZOS response of what they would be open to adjusting which is radial emote text (this is in the ESO live that I keep suggesting ppl watch)

Finally...yes this thread is ridiculous. Pages and pages of comments with many who had no clue that this was already discussed reviewed and responded to by ZOS months ago

Your logic as to why other console mmo's can't be compared to another console mmo is...let's say... ilogical...

This is a quite simple discussion that has been fluffed up by your illogical banter.

You took place in and supported the chat bubble idea and I simply explained why it will not work.

Now once again there is no other system that will allow people to speak to full zones of players like text chat can, so once again... why should a great tool such as that not be implemented when it proved itself successful on every other console mmo, AND also proved successful on the PC version of the same exact game.

You have yet to give a logical response to that question and also have not given an alternative that is just as effective text chat.

And they won't give you one, man. There's a reason for it: they're TES fans that don't want anything that will make this game viable as what it is: an MMO. There's no excuse for opposing a text box that can be turned off; in fact I'll do them one better, the default setting can be off and we'll be the ones to undertake the onerous task of turning it on in the option menu.
They want a single player game(possibly with the added spice of running in to a PC or two while questing) and nothing we can say will change that.

Respectfully this topic became illogical after the June ESO live episode.

June was the month ESO launched; it was illogical before the public even had access to the game!? No, dude, I'm sorry. Companies, especially those offering continuing services must and do listen to overwhelming consumer demands when they've made a poor choice.
That's what's happened and that's what these flood of forum discussions have been about.

Flood?

Lol.

You must mean the five guys who pester the forum more than they play the game.

I won't name and shame but cmon, this thread is long because it just loops and the pro text crowd just types out long blocks of grey text rehashing the same failed idea.

Flood?

Go play the game, its way more fun than this.

I'm simply not going to engage that repetitive, fallacious argument. 488 voters are not 5 people.
And you should truly reconsider calling out rehashing when you've used this same exact demonstrably false statement multiple times.

Kleptobrainiac · August 2015

No

sirhctpac wrote: »

Kleptobrainiac wrote: »

This thread is about text chat being added to the IC patch.

It will most definitely not be added. That is a definitive answer from Zen.

Any further discussion is an exercise in redundant futility.

However there are things you can do to help you cope with Zen's decision to change things up a bit.

Firstly, I would recommend thinking about where you fit in on a personal level using the chart below.

Also, feel free to PM me here on the forums. I'm here to help you guys. I'm here for you!

^ BAIT^
A blatant attempt to push people's buttons and start a "forum riot(lol)" and get this thread closed; don't fall for it.

Actually, I am trying to help. It appears as though most of you are still in the denial or resistance stage. Staying in that stage for an extended period of time can be a sign of mental illness.

1) We all know ZOS has never made a definitive statement on this since the game actually went live and the complaint trickle from beta became a flood.

The last statement that was made was that there would be no text chat window as part of the UI. The last live letter reaffirmed that decision when they said that they see the requests for it and have no new news regarding a change in the previous decision. And flood? Heh... yea... that's what that annoying dripping sound in the distance must be... the raging "flood"...

2) Trying to psychoanalyze players' frustration at the lack of networking tools in the game is laughable. Let's say you buy a cell phone that's marketed as functionally identical to an iPhone but can only make cellular calls and use VOIP. You then protest to its manufacturer and join other consumers in their protests. Can your mental state be evaluated by those actions? Is it reasonable for anyone to try to perform said evaluation? No? Ok, let's ignore that post shall we?

The console product was not advertised as a replica of the PC version. In fact, it was always well known that the console version was getting the royal treatment as far as the UI was concerned. So much so that some in the PC crowd were "flooding" the forums requesting the PC version get the same UI.

I wasn't trying to evaluate anyone. I was only giving the opportunity for those willing to take a moment and self reflect upon their own place in reality. No harm intended. You may want to take a look at where you might be on that chart, it could help. And remember, I'm here for you!

sirhctpac · August 2015

Yes

Kleptobrainiac wrote: »

sirhctpac wrote: »

Kleptobrainiac wrote: »

This thread is about text chat being added to the IC patch.

It will most definitely not be added. That is a definitive answer from Zen.

Any further discussion is an exercise in redundant futility.

However there are things you can do to help you cope with Zen's decision to change things up a bit.

Firstly, I would recommend thinking about where you fit in on a personal level using the chart below.

Also, feel free to PM me here on the forums. I'm here to help you guys. I'm here for you!

^ BAIT^
A blatant attempt to push people's buttons and start a "forum riot(lol)" and get this thread closed; don't fall for it.

Actually, I am trying to help. It appears as though most of you are still in the denial or resistance stage. Staying in that stage for an extended period of time can be a sign of mental illness.

1) We all know ZOS has never made a definitive statement on this since the game actually went live and the complaint trickle from beta became a flood.

The last statement that was made was that there would be no text chat window as part of the UI. The last live letter reaffirmed that decision when they said that they see the requests for it and have no new news regarding a change in the previous decision. And flood? Heh... yea... that's what that annoying dripping sound in the distance must be... the raging "flood"...

2) Trying to psychoanalyze players' frustration at the lack of networking tools in the game is laughable. Let's say you buy a cell phone that's marketed as functionally identical to an iPhone but can only make cellular calls and use VOIP. You then protest to its manufacturer and join other consumers in their protests. Can your mental state be evaluated by those actions? Is it reasonable for anyone to try to perform said evaluation? No? Ok, let's ignore that post shall we?

The console product was not advertised as a replica of the PC version. In fact, it was always well known that the console version was getting the royal treatment as far as the UI was concerned. So much so that some in the PC crowd were "flooding" the forums requesting the PC version get the same UI.

I wasn't trying to evaluate anyone. I was only giving the opportunity for those willing to take a moment and self reflect upon their own place in reality. No harm intended. You may want to take a look at where you might be on that chart, it could help. And remember, I'm here for you!

Ok, man.

Vulsahdaal · August 2015

Yes

BaconMagic wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote: »

F7sus4 wrote: »

I'm not a console player myself, but I saw how the voice chat works at YT and it's just ridiculous.

Those clips are cherry picked.

Area chat is actually very functional and fun.

Excepting the fact that area chat is just that, AREA. God forbid I want get a message to someone out of proximity, then what? Area chat is woefully lacking in that sense. If we had zone chat channels or designated channels for LFG or trade, maybe voice would be functional, but the proximity limitation is absurd albeit necessary to prevent overloading.

Yes and this is a main issue. Zone chat is nonexistent. There is no replacement of zone text chat with voice. Instead zone chat was just eliminated. This is what many are complaining about, and why they want text chat put into the game.

Draghorn · August 2015

Kleptobrainiac wrote: »

In fact, it was always well known that the console version was getting the royal treatment as far as the UI was concerned. So much so that some in the PC crowd were "flooding" the forums requesting the PC version get the same UI.

Don't know what the console UI all entails, but if it involves forcing voice only communication and having to be identified in game by account name instead of character name; then no thank you.

I'm quite happy with the PC's interface the way it is, thank you very much; especially compared to what I'm hearing about the consoles.

Kleptobrainiac · August 2015

No

Draghorn wrote: »

Kleptobrainiac wrote: »

In fact, it was always well known that the console version was getting the royal treatment as far as the UI was concerned. So much so that some in the PC crowd were "flooding" the forums requesting the PC version get the same UI.

Don't know what the console UI all entails, but if it involves forcing voice only communication and having to be identified in game by account name instead of character name; then no thank you.

I'm quite happy with the PC's interface the way it is, thank you very much; especially compared to what I'm hearing about the consoles.

Grats. It's good to be pleased with one's choices and it sounds like the PC version was a good fit for your needs.

I've played both versions and prefer the console, which is the right fit for me. Having 2 versions of the game for players to choose from gives players options on which version best suites their needs. Options, which is what pro text posters say it's all about. Amiright?

sirhctpac · August 2015

Yes

Draghorn wrote: »

Kleptobrainiac wrote: »

In fact, it was always well known that the console version was getting the royal treatment as far as the UI was concerned. So much so that some in the PC crowd were "flooding" the forums requesting the PC version get the same UI.

Don't know what the console UI all entails, but if it involves forcing voice only communication and having to be identified in game by account name instead of character name; then no thank you.

I'm quite happy with the PC's interface the way it is, thank you very much; especially compared to what I'm hearing about the consoles.

+1
This thread has taught me that blue and red vote boxes usually represent solo(or nearly so) TES players and MMO players respectively. Every consoler who has ever tried to organize a veteran PvP or trial PUG knows that the communication interface is a nightmare. No zone chat, people turning chat off either completely or in area, the group finder's inability to distinguish tank from healer, all of it. And to top it off some of the blue boxes are intent on denying the reds the ability to play the game as an MMO. I don't understand any of it, from ZOS' decision to the intractable soloers. It's mystifying to me that ZOS would create a paradigm destined to limit the games' lifespan to under a year on console; MMOers will only put up with this as long as they have hope of it being fixed and soloers will only play any game till they 'finish' it.
I'd be on PC in a minute if I weren't playing with RL friends on PS4.

Draghorn · August 2015

Well, doesn't really seem like "options" when your only option is to switch off of your perfected gaming platform.

Most people have a preference whether they like to play on a console or PC. Doesn't seem like a great solution to tell console gamers "Well if you want text chat instead of voice chat, buy the PC version (and a gaming capable PC while you are at it!)." Real options would be to give people the ability to use text if they want to and make it hide-able if you don't want to use it. (For example I'm pretty sure in the PC version you can leave all chat channels if you want text chat to go away.)

Eriquito3 · August 2015

Yes

mrskinskull wrote: »

F7sus4 wrote: »

I'm not a console player myself, but I saw how the voice chat works at YT and it's just ridiculous.

Those clips are cherry picked.

Area chat is actually very functional and fun.

Lol yeah cherries picked... LOL

Here are 3 videos I recorded in the same day... all 3 tines I was just coming into town just to sell junk and do some crafting.

https://youtu.be/UZ1dorAbF0k

https://youtu.be/bvfPGnkZwuw

https://youtu.be/eoT7rJi-UKs

The only 3 times I visited a town that day and all 3 times voice chat was like that.
But yeah... it's cherries picked and there occurrences are so rare.... Lol your arguments are so weak a babies far can push it over.

TequilaFire · August 2015

No

If you hang out in towns at lower levels yes it is chaotic, but most of us move on and play the real game like PvP, trials or quests.
Once again is this about adding text chat or bashing voice chat?

Kleptobrainiac · August 2015

No

TequilaFire wrote: »

If you hang out in towns at lower levels yes it is chaotic, but most of us move on and play the real game like PvP, trials or quests.
Once again is this about adding text chat or bashing voice chat?

Apparently it's about personal attacks & temper tantrums. Whatever meaning there was to this thread was lost long ago.

Eriquito3 · August 2015

Yes

TequilaFire wrote: »

If you hang out in towns at lower levels yes it is chaotic, but most of us move on and play the real game like PvP, trials or quests.

So are you saying that leveling up is now not parof the "real" game? LOL

TequilaFire wrote: »

If you hang out in towns at lower levels yes it is chaotic, but most of us move on and play the real game like PvP, trials or quests.
Once again is this about adding text chat or bashing voice chat?

Bashing voice chat? You seem to have ignored just about everyones responses in this thread if you took any of this as bashing voice chat. Just about everyone here has said they enjoy voice chat. We have only said and pointed out how having ONLY VOICE CHAT is not effecient, and my videos show that. How can someone trade,form grouos, ask for help when that stuff is going on? Also voice chat being proximity limits contact severly. It is not efficeint enough to be the only form of communication in a mmo.

That was and always has been the tone of this thread, but for whatever reason you and a few others have never grasped that.

NewBlacksmurf · August 2015

No

So using voice chat I just joined two new guild. One PvE and another PvP so I had to boot an inactive guild from the PC to console folks that's dead now.

Noticed the two new guilds are existing clan from Destiny and the other is a few small groups from other console games/clans. Rerolled a NB Tuesday who is now lvl 47 and ran a VR 4 to Vr11 last week all using what's in the game. No forums, no text chat, etc.

Sold some recipes and picked up 3 purple motifs and had others sent to me while I sent gear sets to others and made sets for noobs. One guy I just met offered to take me to his grind spots and so on and so forth.

Just sharing that there's different ways to play the game and text chat in all these scenarios never came up during discussion in 3 weeks which is about how long we've been arguing, debating, commenting and discussing this thread.

Don't miss out folks...ppl are working with what's there.
Also I updated my sig with a website for ppl who don't get good results using the grouping tools In-game.

Nosam · August 2015

Yes

So basically avoid towns and banks , don't talk to anyone in those areas , turn off area chat most of the time and so on.

That sounds like a GREAT communication system.

About as spot on as "white horses have a built in speed advantage" , chuckle , tells you all you need to know about his knowledge.

Eriquito3 · August 2015

Yes

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

So using voice chat I just joined two new guild. One PvE and another PvP so I had to boot an inactive guild from the PC to console folks that's dead now.

Noticed the two new guilds are existing clan from Destiny and the other is a few small groups from other console games/clans. Rerolled a NB Tuesday who is now lvl 47 and ran a VR 4 to Vr11 last week all using what's in the game. No forums, no text chat, etc.

Sold some recipes and picked up 3 purple motifs and had others sent to me while I sent gear sets to others and made sets for noobs. One guy I just met offered to take me to his grind spots and so on and so forth.

Just sharing that there's different ways to play the game and text chat in all these scenarios never came up during discussion in 3 weeks which is about how long we've been arguing, debating, commenting and discussing this thread.

Don't miss out folks...ppl are working with what's there.
Also I updated my sig with a website for ppl who don't get good results using the grouping tools In-game.

It seems like you too have ignored just about what everyone has been saying....

So here let me break it down to you.... again...

No one was saying its impossible to join groups and trade, or join guilds. Nonone is saying that people arent doing the best they coukd with the options available.

WE HAVE BEEN SAYING THAT ITS NOT EFFICIENT AND SEVERLY LIMITED!!! AND THAT ADDINGNTEXT CHAT WILL MAKE ALL THOSE THINGS EASIER AND MORE EFFECTIVE!!!

Kleptobrainiac · August 2015

No

Eriquito3 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

So using voice chat I just joined two new guild. One PvE and another PvP so I had to boot an inactive guild from the PC to console folks that's dead now.

Noticed the two new guilds are existing clan from Destiny and the other is a few small groups from other console games/clans. Rerolled a NB Tuesday who is now lvl 47 and ran a VR 4 to Vr11 last week all using what's in the game. No forums, no text chat, etc.

Sold some recipes and picked up 3 purple motifs and had others sent to me while I sent gear sets to others and made sets for noobs. One guy I just met offered to take me to his grind spots and so on and so forth.

Just sharing that there's different ways to play the game and text chat in all these scenarios never came up during discussion in 3 weeks which is about how long we've been arguing, debating, commenting and discussing this thread.

Don't miss out folks...ppl are working with what's there.
Also I updated my sig with a website for ppl who don't get good results using the grouping tools In-game.

It seems like you too have ignored just about what everyone has been saying....

So here let me break it down to you.... again...

No one was saying its impossible to join groups and trade, or join guilds. Nonone is saying that people arent doing the best they coukd with the options available.

WE HAVE BEEN SAYING THAT ITS NOT EFFICIENT AND SEVERLY LIMITED!!! AND THAT ADDINGNTEXT CHAT WILL MAKE ALL THOSE THINGS EASIER AND MORE EFFECTIVE!!!

I UNDERSTAND YOU. NOW UNDERSTAND ZENIMAX WHEN THEY SAY "NO".