About the weapon swap lock

JamilaRaj · August 2015

I am surprised by lack of rage here regarding weapon swap lock, because it annoys me to no end. After a couple of months I came back to the game and of all things that happened in between, this was like gut punch. It has always been clunky, but now sheer number of times I fire wrong skill because animation blocked weapon swap (or potion use - that is super annoying as well) is just ridiculous.

Look at this video. It is generally about animation cancelling, but what is relevant starts at around 4:20: he uses a skill, swaps, and it indeed swaps, no lock, no delay, no discarded command, he has his second weapon/bar up immediately. That is how it worked in december 2014 and I am fairly confident it continued to work that way at least until mid february 2015.
Now it's random garbage. If you are ninja fast, you will swap before lock activates. If you are just fast, lock activates and swap command (or potion use) is discarded. If you are slow (or animation cancel using different method), lock is deactivated by that point and weapons swap.
I do not care about animation cancelling. It could even cancel skill entirely, but for the love of god, make weapon swap like actually swap weapons.

duncan_cougarpreeb18_ESO · August 2015

try playing on the mac side ... it's even worse there.

Weapons swapping takes 3 seconds more often than not, but can lock up for a 30 seconds as well. Now, have fun in PvP ... Only way around it, don't swap weapons during a fight (or live with dying due to not being able to use any skill during that time)

Similar for ultimates. They work fine outside of combat (yeah, that's when this one needs them, right)
During combat, press your favorite ulti button ... press it again ... and again ... oh heck ... another try ...
ok forget about ultis, only worth for buffs or 3rd skill line or before going into combat

And don't get me started on potions: Press potion button (after making sure it's actually the right one) ... nothing, press again (and getting the feedback potion is available) ... and again ... and again ... and again .... nothing

If you are blocking or got a weapon lock (see above) or attacking or doing any other fighting ... don't try to drink your potion

In PvP just ask your unfriendly incoming zerg to stop a moment, so that you can sib your juice, right?

This game is pretty much unplayable and not worth a dime when it comes to the mac implementation (no experience on other platforms, but from most of the videos, it does not look quite that bad, your mileage may vary)

Oh and last but not least, on PTS (latest IC version) you can't swap weapons while riding when you use the "swap to weapon 1" or "swap to weapon 2" controls, but the "swap to other weapon" button still works.

Is this really "working as intended"? Doubt it.

Emma_Overload · August 2015

Agreed. I can't count how many times I've died because Devouring Bats wouldn't drop when I pressed the button.

SirAndy · August 2015

duncan_cougarpreeb18_ESO wrote: »

Similar for ultimates. They work fine outside of combat (yeah, that's when this one needs them, right)
During combat, press your favorite multi button ... press it again ... and again ... oh heck ... another try ...
ok forget about ultis, only worth for buffs or 3rd skill line or before going into combat

Or worse, your ultimate finally fires but because you have been mashing that button repeatedly, you get another button click in and it FREAKING CANCELS your ultimate that you just managed to fire off! Poof, ultimate points gone, ultimate canceled with no effect, thanks ZOS!

Lilarna · August 2015

I wonder how we manage to still play with that since over a year...

We should be awarded more crowns for our loyalty and patience !

Merlight · August 2015

JamilaRaj wrote: »

If you are ninja fast, you will swap before lock activates.

In the ninja fast case, there's another annoying bug with weapon abilities. Hit ability button, immediately hit weapon swap -> weapon actually swaps, but the ability doesn't fire. Wait a few seconds, or a minute, then hit weapon swap again -> the ability fires. If instead of waiting you cast something from the other bar, the ability cast from the first bar is discarded. Tested with Defensive Posture, Mutagen, Healing Ward, Wall of Elements, Impulse.

Waffennacht · August 2015

I was swapping weapons 4 hours ago and experienced no lock.

I play on xbox one

Merlight · August 2015

Waffennacht wrote: »

I was swapping weapons 4 hours ago and experienced no lock.

I play on xbox one

Then it must be PC/Mac specific. Watch for example this vid, there's a weapon swap icon with weapon bar number left of the ability bar. Every time he uses an ability, the number is replaced with a lock icon for a split-second (for me it lasts a bit longer, is this because he's cancelling animations?). And every time he swaps weapons, the lock remains for much longer. And you can't swap weapons while the lock is there.

I also don't understand why abilities aren't activated when you press a key, but only after you release it. Weapon swap is activated immediately on key-press (unless it fails completely, of course).

JamilaRaj · August 2015

Well, if you look, say, at Sypher's Zero to Hero where he spars with Jrab, which is apparently on console, there is no lock icon, so it seems they crippled only PC/Mac version of the game. I assume that is because pop here is so marginal and constantly bitching they decided to punish them ungrateful brats!
And they are right! I am bitching, because the game is broken, broken, broken. This thing here is more broken than it ever was, actually.

zornyan · August 2015

I have this issue on ps4, mashing ultimate buttons but just standing there, suddenly my take flight activates when the enemy is dead.....

Or swap and hit a button....old ability activates, so press again, old ability activates, swap and swap again then finally the ability I wanted to use activates. God knows how many times I've tried to hit rally and gone invisible instead....

Reznique · August 2015

For me, a long weapon swap indicates high Ping. Never had other issues with it

Volkodav · August 2015

I have two characters that are locked out of Weapon swap.When I try to change it I get red words saying that I cannot swap weapons in my current state.I had to get to vet with one not using the swap.It really IS annoying.

JamilaRaj · September 2015

Behold! The lock has been either removed or broken, one can not be sure which with ZOS. Anyway, it is gone for now, so we can enjoy annoying PvP cloaking with NBs without being annoyed by weapons not swapping.

Brrrofski · September 2015

It happens to someone I play with on xbox. Only now and then. Usually in dungeons, which isn't helpful.

I've yet to have it though

Asmael · September 2015

"OK enough 1vX, let's join a zerg".

**Crash in the middle**

**Relog**

"Why can't I swap weapons..."

**Die 3 minutes later because I couldn't kill a single scrub. #RestoStaffAttacksNeedABuff**

"Still can't swap weapons after rezzing for 1 continuous minute, WTF."

**Go back to fight, zerging everywhere**

"My health's kinda low, time to switch to resto bar... now... common... swap you ****...
PLEASE..."

**Dies on destro bar**

"Not my day."

Morphine · September 2015

Totaly agree with everything you said. Weapon swap should not lock by animation. Make it separate. Let the animations alone but alow us to swap bars during that time.