Console: Should text chat be implemented with the IC patch?

mrskinskull · August 2015

No

Nosam wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Nosam wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Nosam wrote: »

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Take this however you want but what I've shared has been in efforts to help.
Having been apart of this community for approx 2 years I've learned a lot and try to share those experiences with others.

I realize ppl don't want to agree or compromise or listen and or want to be heard, argue etc but having been around for a long time there are trends.

This company talks about what they want to work on and even comments on things they like. They address things that won't happen and often never restate that.

It's how things are done...for whatever it's worth to you I won't be going anywhere anytime soon as I'm a longtime supporter of this game and the company who developed it.

I've been following much of the DeVs since 1999-ish so I'm not going anywhere cause I like what they produce.

...

And there you o with the insults...
By the way I'm pretty sure I'm older or at least as old as you but that's of no concern to you.

This format right here and how the interactions occur are definitely deterring the idea to add text chat.

I keep trying to avoid the arguments, name calling and off topic comments.
I continue to offer ideas and compromises but here we are ...

If you're actually older than me which makes you well into your 40's and this is how you communicate think about it.

Most gamers are younger and more immature than both of us.

If we can't communicate in the forms without issues why on earth would they bring this issue over to an in-game experience.

Think about it...seriously...as again they ArE reading the forums

You tell people what they should or shouldn't talk about. Think about that. You are anything but helpful.

And you are the one who tried the "I've been here X long *** , and you've been following them since 99" etc , but when thrown back in your face then it's an insult.

You think you are coming off any better than anyone else ? That's the most amusing part.

You must mean the one guy on this thread who stays calm and keeps his posts respectful even in the face of some childish bullying?

Most of the rude comments here read like screaming, I would think if anyone was hoping devs were going to read this thread, people would keep things professional.

Just my opinion though.

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mistermutiny89 · August 2015

Yes

mrskinskull wrote: »

Eriquito3 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Eriquito3 wrote: »

It makes no sense to have anything different from what pc has. We have enough proof from other games that have successfully pulled of a text chat like that on consoles, so why would eso on the Consoles need anything different?

It makes zero sense.

What are you talking about....it makes 100% sense for consoles games to differ from PC just based on the peripherals alone

Cmon

Let me reexplain this to you... because you obviously didn't understand it the first time.

If other mmo's on consoles have a succefull text chat... why shouldn't eso????

That is as plain as I could put it.

You must mean those other games that failed to gather enough mass appeal to keep them from having to go free to play.

Or
I guess you might mean the other game that still charges for content and keeps a mandatory monthly sub, because its player base is so tiny. In buisness terms, obviously.

ESO needs to hit the bullseye of casual gamers here.

Text chat is a ui cluttering gust of wind, IMO.

If text chat was implemented but gave you the option to hide it entirely would you be okay with text chat? This would mean that text chat would have no impact on you and let people that want text chat have text chat just as ESO for PC has text chat.

If you say no it means you just don't want text chat to exist because YOU said so. Many people don't like spiders but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist as they are a super important part of the Eco system and food chain. Feel the perspective hit you! Are you feeling it? You're feeling it right? It's nice isn't it? Haha.

mrskinskull · August 2015

No

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote: »

Akerith wrote: »

senhavran wrote: »

Here's an official response on the matter from Twitch :

ZOS_Jessica_Folsom: For those asking about text chat on console, we do see all the requests for it (on our forums, social media channels, reddit, etc.), but we don't have anything new to share about the topic.

I do have something new to share with you Zenimad,I'm selling the game.
Next time you develop a MMORPG try to actually care about your customers.
Had a good run,good luck guys.

REALLY?

The product you were promised arrived exactly as demonstrated in the beta and because the developers didn't drop everything to accommodate a niche demand, you are going to burn your disc?

That seems like a mature and rational decision.

Best of luck.

Well, if that's the decision he's come to, then it's his to make. I won't stop him, more loot for me.

I'm not really sure what's going on with this topic anymore. Did they really confirm that text chat wasn't coming any time soon?

That post just smells like hyperbole to me.

Would you toss away a luxury car if it didnt have a car phone?

Even if of had a. USB charger for your second screen ?

Or would you pine for technology from the 90s?

mrskinskull · August 2015

No

Kleptobrainiac wrote: »

I would like customizable chat bubbles too!

Yeah me tooo!

mrskinskull · August 2015

No

Nosam wrote: »

mistermutiny89 wrote: »

Editing our own text bubbles is barely a change to what we have now and I can see many people abusing it. Also the small proximity just renders it useless. It'll be a novelty change that will not give us what chat on consoles will. That's me not saying no to editing your emotes all together ... I'm saying it should be for fun purposes.

Now back to text chat for consoles.. Firstly PC has text chat, I've seen it on YouTube videos sitting there in all its glory doing no harm and so much good!! Every time I watch an ESO video from a PC player the jealousy is real!

Let's then talk about how voice chat is working for grouping up... In major cities during peak hour there are so many massive booming voices all yelling and talking over each other usually just having a chat about how many girls they've banged and how great they are at doing it, whilst some other guy is yelling "selling daedra hearts 2k each" (good luck mate), whilst some other guy is trolling with their atrocious rap beats, whilst some baby is screaming in the background and rarely; VERY rarely you will hear "anyone doing a Vet dungeon" but you can't trace the voice because of that damn music taking over the mic. Now let's decide it's too busy there for now, we'll come back in half an hour... Guess what? The teenage boys are still talking about how big their *** are, the music has gotten louder and even worse and the other guy is now selling daedra hearts for 3k a pop.

Now imagine all that going on in text chat? Guess what? Everyone can get their word in... At the same time!! You can also be anywhere on the map!! The boys that want to just chat for fun can go to the general chat tab! The guy wanting to sell his daedra hearts can go put a post up in the trading section! The guy playing his rap beats can use his headphones and leave us in peace and the guy looking for a vet dungeon group can go to the group finder and visually peruse who else is online and looking and which class, level and role they are without waiting light years for the auto grouper to put you in a group that ends up putting you in a group of three after waiting an hour.

And for those that don't like the idea of group chat they can go to their settings and select "hide text chat" from their HUD settings.

EVERYONE WINS! FLAWLESS VICTORY! FATALITY! (Sorry I've been playing MKX a bit this week hahahaha).

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This ridiculous emote wheel is nothing 99% of us who want text chat thinks is useful in any way.

Zone / gamewide communication without having to hear mouthbreathers in area chat is what text chat gets you. More socialization all around.

Speaking however we want , I'll be damned if someone thinks they can dictate how we talk in game and on the boards. Arrogance knows no bounds.

You are one person with no idea what 99 percent of people want.

You are one person with one opinion, don't try to act like a dev and control the discussion,

Right?

ZOS_Alex · August 2015

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Soul_of_Odin · August 2015

mrskinskull wrote:

You must mean those other games that failed to gather enough mass appeal to keep them from having to go free to play.

Or
I guess you might mean the other game that still charges for content and keeps a mandatory monthly sub, because its player base is so tiny. In buisness terms, obviously.

ESO needs to hit the bullseye of casual gamers here.

Text chat is a ui cluttering gust of wind, IMO.

Tiny player base? You're not talking about the 2nd biggest MMO on the market, are you?

http://www.pcgamesn.com/final-fantasy-xiv-a-realm-reborn/naoki-yoshida-on-the-success-of-final-fantasy-xiv-the-most-important-attribute-is-not-giving-up

You seem to conveniently forget that ESO started as subscription only but had to drop it because it was, as you put it, a financial failure.

Nosam · August 2015

Yes

Soul_of_Odin wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote:

You must mean those other games that failed to gather enough mass appeal to keep them from having to go free to play.

Or
I guess you might mean the other game that still charges for content and keeps a mandatory monthly sub, because its player base is so tiny. In buisness terms, obviously.

ESO needs to hit the bullseye of casual gamers here.

Text chat is a ui cluttering gust of wind, IMO.

Tiny player base? You're not talking about the 2nd biggest MMO on the market, are you?

http://www.pcgamesn.com/final-fantasy-xiv-a-realm-reborn/naoki-yoshida-on-the-success-of-final-fantasy-xiv-the-most-important-attribute-is-not-giving-up

You seem to conveniently forget that ESO started as subscription only but had to drop it because it was, as you put it, a financial failure.

Facts are something that a few of them don't appreciate Odin. Thought it was laughable too. FF is considered one of the best money making mmo's behind WoW only really , but again , pesky facts.

sirhctpac · August 2015

Yes

mistermutiny89 wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote: »

Eriquito3 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Eriquito3 wrote: »

It makes no sense to have anything different from what pc has. We have enough proof from other games that have successfully pulled of a text chat like that on consoles, so why would eso on the Consoles need anything different?

It makes zero sense.

What are you talking about....it makes 100% sense for consoles games to differ from PC just based on the peripherals alone

Cmon

Let me reexplain this to you... because you obviously didn't understand it the first time.

If other mmo's on consoles have a succefull text chat... why shouldn't eso????

That is as plain as I could put it.

You must mean those other games that failed to gather enough mass appeal to keep them from having to go free to play.

Or
I guess you might mean the other game that still charges for content and keeps a mandatory monthly sub, because its player base is so tiny. In buisness terms, obviously.

ESO needs to hit the bullseye of casual gamers here.

Text chat is a ui cluttering gust of wind, IMO.

If text chat was implemented but gave you the option to hide it entirely would you be okay with text chat? This would mean that text chat would have no impact on you and let people that want text chat have text chat just as ESO for PC has text chat.

If you say no it means you just don't want text chat to exist because YOU said so. Many people don't like spiders but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist as they are a super important part of the Eco system and food chain. Feel the perspective hit you! Are you feeling it? You're feeling it right? It's nice isn't it? Haha.

I hate to tell you this man, but it's looking more and more like that's the case. I challenged them on their tendency to ignore posts to which they have no good answers and asked how many were playing this as an MMO. They, as I predicted, argued around me and the one respondent is admittedly playing this like a standard TES.
Now we know what's going on here.

NewBlacksmurf · August 2015

No

Soul_of_Odin wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote:

You must mean those other games that failed to gather enough mass appeal to keep them from having to go free to play.

Or
I guess you might mean the other game that still charges for content and keeps a mandatory monthly sub, because its player base is so tiny. In buisness terms, obviously.

ESO needs to hit the bullseye of casual gamers here.

Text chat is a ui cluttering gust of wind, IMO.

Tiny player base? You're not talking about the 2nd biggest MMO on the market, are you?

http://www.pcgamesn.com/final-fantasy-xiv-a-realm-reborn/naoki-yoshida-on-the-success-of-final-fantasy-xiv-the-most-important-attribute-is-not-giving-up

You seem to conveniently forget that ESO started as subscription only but had to drop it because it was, as you put it, a financial failure.

Actually the subscription was removed according to ZOS largely due to the release requirements for Xbox One and PS4.
Nothing factual suggests otherwise but let's get back on topic

The final fantasy game took a simple player game and moved it into a world
World of Warcraft took a single player game (multiplayer modes) and made a multiplayer game
TES allowed ZOS to take a single player game and make a multiplayer game.

In each of these games the developers had existing developers move the product BUT in this game a different group of developers set out to keep an existing customer base and move to a different genre. The big difference tho is that only two have done this on console.

Only one has done this in three different platforms.

Different DeVs, diff game genre, different platforms AND this is the only game that's done so with different UI's by platform.

Before you throw another game into an argument you've got to find a good example.
There isn't one game that has done so with different DeVs and different UI , different communication and peripherials by platform on three different networks.

To say it's easy cause XYZ game did so has no bearing at all

Eriquito3 · August 2015

Yes

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Soul_of_Odin wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote:

You must mean those other games that failed to gather enough mass appeal to keep them from having to go free to play.

Or
I guess you might mean the other game that still charges for content and keeps a mandatory monthly sub, because its player base is so tiny. In buisness terms, obviously.

ESO needs to hit the bullseye of casual gamers here.

Text chat is a ui cluttering gust of wind, IMO.

Tiny player base? You're not talking about the 2nd biggest MMO on the market, are you?

http://www.pcgamesn.com/final-fantasy-xiv-a-realm-reborn/naoki-yoshida-on-the-success-of-final-fantasy-xiv-the-most-important-attribute-is-not-giving-up

You seem to conveniently forget that ESO started as subscription only but had to drop it because it was, as you put it, a financial failure.

Actually the subscription was removed according to ZOS largely due to the release requirements for Xbox One and PS4.
Nothing factual suggests otherwise but let's get back on topic

The final fantasy game took a simple player game and moved it into a world
World of Warcraft took a single player game (multiplayer modes) and made a multiplayer game
TES allowed ZOS to take a single player game and make a multiplayer game.

In each of these games the developers had existing developers move the product BUT in this game a different group of developers set out to keep an existing customer base and move to a different genre. The big difference tho is that only two have done this on console.

Only one has done this in three different platforms.

Different DeVs, diff game genre, different platforms AND this is the only game that's done so with different UI's by platform.

Before you throw another game into an argument you've got to find a good example.
There isn't one game that has done so with different DeVs and different UI , different communication and peripherials by platform on three different networks.

To say it's easy cause XYZ game did so has no bearing at all

Actually it has alot of bearing, because if several console mmo's have it.... why can't eso?

Your logic makes no sense.

And now to the chat bubble people were talking about.

This is why n chat bubbles won't work. They can't reach the entire zone, it would just as limited as voice chat. We need a text based chat system that can reach entire zones... you know... like pc text chat....

So many illogical conclusions and suggestions in this thread it is rediculous.

NewBlacksmurf · August 2015

No

Eriquito3 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Soul_of_Odin wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote:

You must mean those other games that failed to gather enough mass appeal to keep them from having to go free to play.

Or
I guess you might mean the other game that still charges for content and keeps a mandatory monthly sub, because its player base is so tiny. In buisness terms, obviously.

ESO needs to hit the bullseye of casual gamers here.

Text chat is a ui cluttering gust of wind, IMO.

Tiny player base? You're not talking about the 2nd biggest MMO on the market, are you?

http://www.pcgamesn.com/final-fantasy-xiv-a-realm-reborn/naoki-yoshida-on-the-success-of-final-fantasy-xiv-the-most-important-attribute-is-not-giving-up

You seem to conveniently forget that ESO started as subscription only but had to drop it because it was, as you put it, a financial failure.

Actually the subscription was removed according to ZOS largely due to the release requirements for Xbox One and PS4.
Nothing factual suggests otherwise but let's get back on topic

The final fantasy game took a simple player game and moved it into a world
World of Warcraft took a single player game (multiplayer modes) and made a multiplayer game
TES allowed ZOS to take a single player game and make a multiplayer game.

In each of these games the developers had existing developers move the product BUT in this game a different group of developers set out to keep an existing customer base and move to a different genre. The big difference tho is that only two have done this on console.

Only one has done this in three different platforms.

Different DeVs, diff game genre, different platforms AND this is the only game that's done so with different UI's by platform.

Before you throw another game into an argument you've got to find a good example.
There isn't one game that has done so with different DeVs and different UI , different communication and peripherials by platform on three different networks.

To say it's easy cause XYZ game did so has no bearing at all

Actually it has alot of bearing, because if several console mmo's have it.... why can't eso?

Your logic makes no sense.

And now to the chat bubble people were talking about.

This is why n chat bubbles won't work. They can't reach the entire zone, it would just as limited as voice chat. We need a text based chat system that can reach entire zones... you know... like pc text chat....

So many illogical conclusions and suggestions in this thread it is rediculous.

First it has no bearing to use another random game that isn't consistent with how this game came to be as an example of why this game should mirror another game that obviously so many left to play this instead.

Second it's not my logic but the reality of the examples many ppl are attempting to make as an argument. It's not apples to apples so this is why so many arguments arise...the comparison isn't a good one and allows a lot of room for debate.

The chat bubble is something others are talking about.
Scroll way back or just follow that my attempts to focus the discussion or what some suggest as derailing is actually based on the ZOS response of what they would be open to adjusting which is radial emote text (this is in the ESO live that I keep suggesting ppl watch)

Finally...yes this thread is ridiculous. Pages and pages of comments with many who had no clue that this was already discussed reviewed and responded to by ZOS months ago

Eriquito3 · August 2015

Yes

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Eriquito3 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Soul_of_Odin wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote:

You must mean those other games that failed to gather enough mass appeal to keep them from having to go free to play.

Or
I guess you might mean the other game that still charges for content and keeps a mandatory monthly sub, because its player base is so tiny. In buisness terms, obviously.

ESO needs to hit the bullseye of casual gamers here.

Text chat is a ui cluttering gust of wind, IMO.

Tiny player base? You're not talking about the 2nd biggest MMO on the market, are you?

http://www.pcgamesn.com/final-fantasy-xiv-a-realm-reborn/naoki-yoshida-on-the-success-of-final-fantasy-xiv-the-most-important-attribute-is-not-giving-up

You seem to conveniently forget that ESO started as subscription only but had to drop it because it was, as you put it, a financial failure.

Actually the subscription was removed according to ZOS largely due to the release requirements for Xbox One and PS4.
Nothing factual suggests otherwise but let's get back on topic

The final fantasy game took a simple player game and moved it into a world
World of Warcraft took a single player game (multiplayer modes) and made a multiplayer game
TES allowed ZOS to take a single player game and make a multiplayer game.

In each of these games the developers had existing developers move the product BUT in this game a different group of developers set out to keep an existing customer base and move to a different genre. The big difference tho is that only two have done this on console.

Only one has done this in three different platforms.

Different DeVs, diff game genre, different platforms AND this is the only game that's done so with different UI's by platform.

Before you throw another game into an argument you've got to find a good example.
There isn't one game that has done so with different DeVs and different UI , different communication and peripherials by platform on three different networks.

To say it's easy cause XYZ game did so has no bearing at all

Actually it has alot of bearing, because if several console mmo's have it.... why can't eso?

Your logic makes no sense.

And now to the chat bubble people were talking about.

This is why n chat bubbles won't work. They can't reach the entire zone, it would just as limited as voice chat. We need a text based chat system that can reach entire zones... you know... like pc text chat....

So many illogical conclusions and suggestions in this thread it is rediculous.

First it has no bearing to use another random game that isn't consistent with how this game came to be as an example of why this game should mirror another game that obviously so many left to play this instead.

Second it's not my logic but the reality of the examples many ppl are attempting to make as an argument. It's not apples to apples so this is why so many arguments arise...the comparison isn't a good one and allows a lot of room for debate.

The chat bubble is something others are talking about.
Scroll way back or just follow that my attempts to focus the discussion or what some suggest as derailing is actually based on the ZOS response of what they would be open to adjusting which is radial emote text (this is in the ESO live that I keep suggesting ppl watch)

Finally...yes this thread is ridiculous. Pages and pages of comments with many who had no clue that this was already discussed reviewed and responded to by ZOS months ago

Your logic as to why other console mmo's can't be compared to another console mmo is...let's say... ilogical...

This is a quite simple discussion that has been fluffed up by your illogical banter.

You took place in and supported the chat bubble idea and I simply explained why it will not work.

Now once again there is no other system that will allow people to speak to full zones of players like text chat can, so once again... why should a great tool such as that not be implemented when it proved itself successful on every other console mmo, AND also proved successful on the PC version of the same exact game.

You have yet to give a logical response to that question and also have not given an alternative that is just as effective text chat.

sirhctpac · August 2015

Yes

Eriquito3 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Eriquito3 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Soul_of_Odin wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote:

You must mean those other games that failed to gather enough mass appeal to keep them from having to go free to play.

Or
I guess you might mean the other game that still charges for content and keeps a mandatory monthly sub, because its player base is so tiny. In buisness terms, obviously.

ESO needs to hit the bullseye of casual gamers here.

Text chat is a ui cluttering gust of wind, IMO.

Tiny player base? You're not talking about the 2nd biggest MMO on the market, are you?

http://www.pcgamesn.com/final-fantasy-xiv-a-realm-reborn/naoki-yoshida-on-the-success-of-final-fantasy-xiv-the-most-important-attribute-is-not-giving-up

You seem to conveniently forget that ESO started as subscription only but had to drop it because it was, as you put it, a financial failure.

Actually the subscription was removed according to ZOS largely due to the release requirements for Xbox One and PS4.
Nothing factual suggests otherwise but let's get back on topic

The final fantasy game took a simple player game and moved it into a world
World of Warcraft took a single player game (multiplayer modes) and made a multiplayer game
TES allowed ZOS to take a single player game and make a multiplayer game.

In each of these games the developers had existing developers move the product BUT in this game a different group of developers set out to keep an existing customer base and move to a different genre. The big difference tho is that only two have done this on console.

Only one has done this in three different platforms.

Different DeVs, diff game genre, different platforms AND this is the only game that's done so with different UI's by platform.

Before you throw another game into an argument you've got to find a good example.
There isn't one game that has done so with different DeVs and different UI , different communication and peripherials by platform on three different networks.

To say it's easy cause XYZ game did so has no bearing at all

Actually it has alot of bearing, because if several console mmo's have it.... why can't eso?

Your logic makes no sense.

And now to the chat bubble people were talking about.

This is why n chat bubbles won't work. They can't reach the entire zone, it would just as limited as voice chat. We need a text based chat system that can reach entire zones... you know... like pc text chat....

So many illogical conclusions and suggestions in this thread it is rediculous.

First it has no bearing to use another random game that isn't consistent with how this game came to be as an example of why this game should mirror another game that obviously so many left to play this instead.

Second it's not my logic but the reality of the examples many ppl are attempting to make as an argument. It's not apples to apples so this is why so many arguments arise...the comparison isn't a good one and allows a lot of room for debate.

The chat bubble is something others are talking about.
Scroll way back or just follow that my attempts to focus the discussion or what some suggest as derailing is actually based on the ZOS response of what they would be open to adjusting which is radial emote text (this is in the ESO live that I keep suggesting ppl watch)

Finally...yes this thread is ridiculous. Pages and pages of comments with many who had no clue that this was already discussed reviewed and responded to by ZOS months ago

Your logic as to why other console mmo's can't be compared to another console mmo is...let's say... ilogical...

This is a quite simple discussion that has been fluffed up by your illogical banter.

You took place in and supported the chat bubble idea and I simply explained why it will not work.

Now once again there is no other system that will allow people to speak to full zones of players like text chat can, so once again... why should a great tool such as that not be implemented when it proved itself successful on every other console mmo, AND also proved successful on the PC version of the same exact game.

You have yet to give a logical response to that question and also have not given an alternative that is just as effective text chat.

And they won't give you one, man. There's a reason for it: they're TES fans that don't want anything that will make this game viable as what it is: an MMO. There's no excuse for opposing a text box that can be turned off; in fact I'll do them one better, the default setting can be off and we'll be the ones to undertake the onerous task of turning it on in the option menu.
They want a single player game(possibly with the added spice of running in to a PC or two while questing) and nothing we can say will change that.

Nosam · August 2015

Yes

They can cling to "they said no" all they want. MMO's change , massively , over the course of their lives.

At launch they said this was a sub based game.

Things change.

There's no absolutes whatsoever when it comes to mmo changes , so keep it up wanting a real text chat box , Mr Wannabee Director of communication tries to steer it away all he can acting as if he knows something more than anyone else.

He knows nothing.

VoidBlue · August 2015

Yes

Eriquito3 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Eriquito3 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Soul_of_Odin wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote:

You must mean those other games that failed to gather enough mass appeal to keep them from having to go free to play.

Or
I guess you might mean the other game that still charges for content and keeps a mandatory monthly sub, because its player base is so tiny. In buisness terms, obviously.

ESO needs to hit the bullseye of casual gamers here.

Text chat is a ui cluttering gust of wind, IMO.

Tiny player base? You're not talking about the 2nd biggest MMO on the market, are you?

http://www.pcgamesn.com/final-fantasy-xiv-a-realm-reborn/naoki-yoshida-on-the-success-of-final-fantasy-xiv-the-most-important-attribute-is-not-giving-up

You seem to conveniently forget that ESO started as subscription only but had to drop it because it was, as you put it, a financial failure.

Actually the subscription was removed according to ZOS largely due to the release requirements for Xbox One and PS4.
Nothing factual suggests otherwise but let's get back on topic

The final fantasy game took a simple player game and moved it into a world
World of Warcraft took a single player game (multiplayer modes) and made a multiplayer game
TES allowed ZOS to take a single player game and make a multiplayer game.

In each of these games the developers had existing developers move the product BUT in this game a different group of developers set out to keep an existing customer base and move to a different genre. The big difference tho is that only two have done this on console.

Only one has done this in three different platforms.

Different DeVs, diff game genre, different platforms AND this is the only game that's done so with different UI's by platform.

Before you throw another game into an argument you've got to find a good example.
There isn't one game that has done so with different DeVs and different UI , different communication and peripherials by platform on three different networks.

To say it's easy cause XYZ game did so has no bearing at all

Actually it has alot of bearing, because if several console mmo's have it.... why can't eso?

Your logic makes no sense.

And now to the chat bubble people were talking about.

This is why n chat bubbles won't work. They can't reach the entire zone, it would just as limited as voice chat. We need a text based chat system that can reach entire zones... you know... like pc text chat....

So many illogical conclusions and suggestions in this thread it is rediculous.

First it has no bearing to use another random game that isn't consistent with how this game came to be as an example of why this game should mirror another game that obviously so many left to play this instead.

Second it's not my logic but the reality of the examples many ppl are attempting to make as an argument. It's not apples to apples so this is why so many arguments arise...the comparison isn't a good one and allows a lot of room for debate.

The chat bubble is something others are talking about.
Scroll way back or just follow that my attempts to focus the discussion or what some suggest as derailing is actually based on the ZOS response of what they would be open to adjusting which is radial emote text (this is in the ESO live that I keep suggesting ppl watch)

Finally...yes this thread is ridiculous. Pages and pages of comments with many who had no clue that this was already discussed reviewed and responded to by ZOS months ago

Your logic as to why other console mmo's can't be compared to another console mmo is...let's say... ilogical...

This is a quite simple discussion that has been fluffed up by your illogical banter.

You took place in and supported the chat bubble idea and I simply explained why it will not work.

Now once again there is no other system that will allow people to speak to full zones of players like text chat can, so once again... why should a great tool such as that not be implemented when it proved itself successful on every other console mmo, AND also proved successful on the PC version of the same exact game.

You have yet to give a logical response to that question and also have not given an alternative that is just as effective text chat.

you might as well give up on trying to reply and talk on a intellectual level with that guy, its impossible. they either dont read what you wrote or doesnt understand what youre trying to say. ive tried dealing with him in another thread and its like talking to a brick wall thats talking about something else that they dont even know what they are talking about because they want to sound smart.

kibukj · August 2015

Yes

mrskinskull wrote: »

What about the PlayStation app?

It allows messaging and long running conversations amongst players using text. Plus its faster than in game messaging

It's quite useful for talking to individuals or groups you have already met, but I don't know if you can create such a conversation that other players can join on their own without being invited/messaged separately, or host separate conversations for alliances/zones. A basic system could be made using a plain old IRC, which would support more secondary screen devices than just Android/iOS phones and tablets too, but it lacks integration with PSN/Live of course, since I don't think they offer a public API for logging in.

NewBlacksmurf · August 2015

No

sirhctpac wrote: »

Eriquito3 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Eriquito3 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Soul_of_Odin wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote:

You must mean those other games that failed to gather enough mass appeal to keep them from having to go free to play.

Or
I guess you might mean the other game that still charges for content and keeps a mandatory monthly sub, because its player base is so tiny. In buisness terms, obviously.

ESO needs to hit the bullseye of casual gamers here.

Text chat is a ui cluttering gust of wind, IMO.

Tiny player base? You're not talking about the 2nd biggest MMO on the market, are you?

http://www.pcgamesn.com/final-fantasy-xiv-a-realm-reborn/naoki-yoshida-on-the-success-of-final-fantasy-xiv-the-most-important-attribute-is-not-giving-up

You seem to conveniently forget that ESO started as subscription only but had to drop it because it was, as you put it, a financial failure.

Actually the subscription was removed according to ZOS largely due to the release requirements for Xbox One and PS4.
Nothing factual suggests otherwise but let's get back on topic

The final fantasy game took a simple player game and moved it into a world
World of Warcraft took a single player game (multiplayer modes) and made a multiplayer game
TES allowed ZOS to take a single player game and make a multiplayer game.

In each of these games the developers had existing developers move the product BUT in this game a different group of developers set out to keep an existing customer base and move to a different genre. The big difference tho is that only two have done this on console.

Only one has done this in three different platforms.

Different DeVs, diff game genre, different platforms AND this is the only game that's done so with different UI's by platform.

Before you throw another game into an argument you've got to find a good example.
There isn't one game that has done so with different DeVs and different UI , different communication and peripherials by platform on three different networks.

To say it's easy cause XYZ game did so has no bearing at all

Actually it has alot of bearing, because if several console mmo's have it.... why can't eso?

Your logic makes no sense.

And now to the chat bubble people were talking about.

This is why n chat bubbles won't work. They can't reach the entire zone, it would just as limited as voice chat. We need a text based chat system that can reach entire zones... you know... like pc text chat....

So many illogical conclusions and suggestions in this thread it is rediculous.

First it has no bearing to use another random game that isn't consistent with how this game came to be as an example of why this game should mirror another game that obviously so many left to play this instead.

Second it's not my logic but the reality of the examples many ppl are attempting to make as an argument. It's not apples to apples so this is why so many arguments arise...the comparison isn't a good one and allows a lot of room for debate.

The chat bubble is something others are talking about.
Scroll way back or just follow that my attempts to focus the discussion or what some suggest as derailing is actually based on the ZOS response of what they would be open to adjusting which is radial emote text (this is in the ESO live that I keep suggesting ppl watch)

Finally...yes this thread is ridiculous. Pages and pages of comments with many who had no clue that this was already discussed reviewed and responded to by ZOS months ago

Your logic as to why other console mmo's can't be compared to another console mmo is...let's say... ilogical...

This is a quite simple discussion that has been fluffed up by your illogical banter.

You took place in and supported the chat bubble idea and I simply explained why it will not work.

Now once again there is no other system that will allow people to speak to full zones of players like text chat can, so once again... why should a great tool such as that not be implemented when it proved itself successful on every other console mmo, AND also proved successful on the PC version of the same exact game.

You have yet to give a logical response to that question and also have not given an alternative that is just as effective text chat.

And they won't give you one, man. There's a reason for it: they're TES fans that don't want anything that will make this game viable as what it is: an MMO. There's no excuse for opposing a text box that can be turned off; in fact I'll do them one better, the default setting can be off and we'll be the ones to undertake the onerous task of turning it on in the option menu.
They want a single player game(possibly with the added spice of running in to a PC or two while questing) and nothing we can say will change that.

Respectfully this topic became illogical after the June ESO live episode.

Neirymn · August 2015

Yes

If I had to choose between customizable bubbles or no text chat at all, I'll go for Bubble Bob power.

Those are proximity based, just like voice chat, so we'll be equal on that matter at least.

And I must admit that I was never fond of that standard text chat window, but I do need a way to communicate with texts in game.

I read that some people went back to FFXIV, well on the contrary I left FFXIV to play ESO because I like the minimalistic UI, I like that there is no text floating over every heads, I like that the quests are actually worth reading and listenning, I think that ESO is more "realistic" than any other MMO out there.

But my friends didn't stopped to play FFXIV and don't want to play ESO because, and I quote, "I can't create a cute male character in this game, they're all ugly." lol Sooo, I went back to FFXIV to play with thoses friends of mine but when I will have to re-subscribe, I won't and will fully play ESO. FFXIV is a good standard MMO but that's not what I'm looking for and the more I play it, the more I'm bored... If it were not for my friends I would never have come back to FFXIV in the first place and I definitly won't quit ESO because it has no text chat feature for the moment.

F7sus4 · August 2015

Yes

I'm not a console player myself, but I saw how the voice chat works at YT and it's just ridiculous.

sirhctpac · August 2015

Yes

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

sirhctpac wrote: »

Eriquito3 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Eriquito3 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Soul_of_Odin wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote:

You must mean those other games that failed to gather enough mass appeal to keep them from having to go free to play.

Or
I guess you might mean the other game that still charges for content and keeps a mandatory monthly sub, because its player base is so tiny. In buisness terms, obviously.

ESO needs to hit the bullseye of casual gamers here.

Text chat is a ui cluttering gust of wind, IMO.

Tiny player base? You're not talking about the 2nd biggest MMO on the market, are you?

http://www.pcgamesn.com/final-fantasy-xiv-a-realm-reborn/naoki-yoshida-on-the-success-of-final-fantasy-xiv-the-most-important-attribute-is-not-giving-up

You seem to conveniently forget that ESO started as subscription only but had to drop it because it was, as you put it, a financial failure.

Actually the subscription was removed according to ZOS largely due to the release requirements for Xbox One and PS4.
Nothing factual suggests otherwise but let's get back on topic

The final fantasy game took a simple player game and moved it into a world
World of Warcraft took a single player game (multiplayer modes) and made a multiplayer game
TES allowed ZOS to take a single player game and make a multiplayer game.

In each of these games the developers had existing developers move the product BUT in this game a different group of developers set out to keep an existing customer base and move to a different genre. The big difference tho is that only two have done this on console.

Only one has done this in three different platforms.

Different DeVs, diff game genre, different platforms AND this is the only game that's done so with different UI's by platform.

Before you throw another game into an argument you've got to find a good example.
There isn't one game that has done so with different DeVs and different UI , different communication and peripherials by platform on three different networks.

To say it's easy cause XYZ game did so has no bearing at all

Actually it has alot of bearing, because if several console mmo's have it.... why can't eso?

Your logic makes no sense.

And now to the chat bubble people were talking about.

This is why n chat bubbles won't work. They can't reach the entire zone, it would just as limited as voice chat. We need a text based chat system that can reach entire zones... you know... like pc text chat....

So many illogical conclusions and suggestions in this thread it is rediculous.

First it has no bearing to use another random game that isn't consistent with how this game came to be as an example of why this game should mirror another game that obviously so many left to play this instead.

Second it's not my logic but the reality of the examples many ppl are attempting to make as an argument. It's not apples to apples so this is why so many arguments arise...the comparison isn't a good one and allows a lot of room for debate.

The chat bubble is something others are talking about.
Scroll way back or just follow that my attempts to focus the discussion or what some suggest as derailing is actually based on the ZOS response of what they would be open to adjusting which is radial emote text (this is in the ESO live that I keep suggesting ppl watch)

Finally...yes this thread is ridiculous. Pages and pages of comments with many who had no clue that this was already discussed reviewed and responded to by ZOS months ago

Your logic as to why other console mmo's can't be compared to another console mmo is...let's say... ilogical...

This is a quite simple discussion that has been fluffed up by your illogical banter.

You took place in and supported the chat bubble idea and I simply explained why it will not work.

Now once again there is no other system that will allow people to speak to full zones of players like text chat can, so once again... why should a great tool such as that not be implemented when it proved itself successful on every other console mmo, AND also proved successful on the PC version of the same exact game.

You have yet to give a logical response to that question and also have not given an alternative that is just as effective text chat.

And they won't give you one, man. There's a reason for it: they're TES fans that don't want anything that will make this game viable as what it is: an MMO. There's no excuse for opposing a text box that can be turned off; in fact I'll do them one better, the default setting can be off and we'll be the ones to undertake the onerous task of turning it on in the option menu.
They want a single player game(possibly with the added spice of running in to a PC or two while questing) and nothing we can say will change that.

Respectfully this topic became illogical after the June ESO live episode.

June was the month ESO launched; it was illogical before the public even had access to the game!? No, dude, I'm sorry. Companies, especially those offering continuing services must and do listen to overwhelming consumer demands when they've made a poor choice.
That's what's happened and that's what these flood of forum discussions have been about.

Eriquito3 · August 2015

Yes

sirhctpac wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

sirhctpac wrote: »

Eriquito3 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Eriquito3 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Soul_of_Odin wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote:

You must mean those other games that failed to gather enough mass appeal to keep them from having to go free to play.

Or
I guess you might mean the other game that still charges for content and keeps a mandatory monthly sub, because its player base is so tiny. In buisness terms, obviously.

ESO needs to hit the bullseye of casual gamers here.

Text chat is a ui cluttering gust of wind, IMO.

Tiny player base? You're not talking about the 2nd biggest MMO on the market, are you?

http://www.pcgamesn.com/final-fantasy-xiv-a-realm-reborn/naoki-yoshida-on-the-success-of-final-fantasy-xiv-the-most-important-attribute-is-not-giving-up

You seem to conveniently forget that ESO started as subscription only but had to drop it because it was, as you put it, a financial failure.

Actually the subscription was removed according to ZOS largely due to the release requirements for Xbox One and PS4.
Nothing factual suggests otherwise but let's get back on topic

The final fantasy game took a simple player game and moved it into a world
World of Warcraft took a single player game (multiplayer modes) and made a multiplayer game
TES allowed ZOS to take a single player game and make a multiplayer game.

In each of these games the developers had existing developers move the product BUT in this game a different group of developers set out to keep an existing customer base and move to a different genre. The big difference tho is that only two have done this on console.

Only one has done this in three different platforms.

Different DeVs, diff game genre, different platforms AND this is the only game that's done so with different UI's by platform.

Before you throw another game into an argument you've got to find a good example.
There isn't one game that has done so with different DeVs and different UI , different communication and peripherials by platform on three different networks.

To say it's easy cause XYZ game did so has no bearing at all

Actually it has alot of bearing, because if several console mmo's have it.... why can't eso?

Your logic makes no sense.

And now to the chat bubble people were talking about.

This is why n chat bubbles won't work. They can't reach the entire zone, it would just as limited as voice chat. We need a text based chat system that can reach entire zones... you know... like pc text chat....

So many illogical conclusions and suggestions in this thread it is rediculous.

First it has no bearing to use another random game that isn't consistent with how this game came to be as an example of why this game should mirror another game that obviously so many left to play this instead.

Second it's not my logic but the reality of the examples many ppl are attempting to make as an argument. It's not apples to apples so this is why so many arguments arise...the comparison isn't a good one and allows a lot of room for debate.

The chat bubble is something others are talking about.
Scroll way back or just follow that my attempts to focus the discussion or what some suggest as derailing is actually based on the ZOS response of what they would be open to adjusting which is radial emote text (this is in the ESO live that I keep suggesting ppl watch)

Finally...yes this thread is ridiculous. Pages and pages of comments with many who had no clue that this was already discussed reviewed and responded to by ZOS months ago

Your logic as to why other console mmo's can't be compared to another console mmo is...let's say... ilogical...

This is a quite simple discussion that has been fluffed up by your illogical banter.

You took place in and supported the chat bubble idea and I simply explained why it will not work.

Now once again there is no other system that will allow people to speak to full zones of players like text chat can, so once again... why should a great tool such as that not be implemented when it proved itself successful on every other console mmo, AND also proved successful on the PC version of the same exact game.

You have yet to give a logical response to that question and also have not given an alternative that is just as effective text chat.

And they won't give you one, man. There's a reason for it: they're TES fans that don't want anything that will make this game viable as what it is: an MMO. There's no excuse for opposing a text box that can be turned off; in fact I'll do them one better, the default setting can be off and we'll be the ones to undertake the onerous task of turning it on in the option menu.
They want a single player game(possibly with the added spice of running in to a PC or two while questing) and nothing we can say will change that.

Respectfully this topic became illogical after the June ESO live episode.

June was the month ESO launched; it was illogical before the public even had access to the game!? No, dude, I'm sorry. Companies, especially those offering continuing services must and do listen to overwhelming consumer demands when they've made a poor choice.
That's what's happened and that's what these flood of forum discussions have been about.

But wait... according to him everyone who is in support of text chat doesn't count... because of a reasons....

NewBlacksmurf · August 2015

No

sirhctpac wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

sirhctpac wrote: »

Eriquito3 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Eriquito3 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Soul_of_Odin wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote:

You must mean those other games that failed to gather enough mass appeal to keep them from having to go free to play.

Or
I guess you might mean the other game that still charges for content and keeps a mandatory monthly sub, because its player base is so tiny. In buisness terms, obviously.

ESO needs to hit the bullseye of casual gamers here.

Text chat is a ui cluttering gust of wind, IMO.

Tiny player base? You're not talking about the 2nd biggest MMO on the market, are you?

http://www.pcgamesn.com/final-fantasy-xiv-a-realm-reborn/naoki-yoshida-on-the-success-of-final-fantasy-xiv-the-most-important-attribute-is-not-giving-up

You seem to conveniently forget that ESO started as subscription only but had to drop it because it was, as you put it, a financial failure.

Actually the subscription was removed according to ZOS largely due to the release requirements for Xbox One and PS4.
Nothing factual suggests otherwise but let's get back on topic

The final fantasy game took a simple player game and moved it into a world
World of Warcraft took a single player game (multiplayer modes) and made a multiplayer game
TES allowed ZOS to take a single player game and make a multiplayer game.

In each of these games the developers had existing developers move the product BUT in this game a different group of developers set out to keep an existing customer base and move to a different genre. The big difference tho is that only two have done this on console.

Only one has done this in three different platforms.

Different DeVs, diff game genre, different platforms AND this is the only game that's done so with different UI's by platform.

Before you throw another game into an argument you've got to find a good example.
There isn't one game that has done so with different DeVs and different UI , different communication and peripherials by platform on three different networks.

To say it's easy cause XYZ game did so has no bearing at all

Actually it has alot of bearing, because if several console mmo's have it.... why can't eso?

Your logic makes no sense.

And now to the chat bubble people were talking about.

This is why n chat bubbles won't work. They can't reach the entire zone, it would just as limited as voice chat. We need a text based chat system that can reach entire zones... you know... like pc text chat....

So many illogical conclusions and suggestions in this thread it is rediculous.

First it has no bearing to use another random game that isn't consistent with how this game came to be as an example of why this game should mirror another game that obviously so many left to play this instead.

Second it's not my logic but the reality of the examples many ppl are attempting to make as an argument. It's not apples to apples so this is why so many arguments arise...the comparison isn't a good one and allows a lot of room for debate.

The chat bubble is something others are talking about.
Scroll way back or just follow that my attempts to focus the discussion or what some suggest as derailing is actually based on the ZOS response of what they would be open to adjusting which is radial emote text (this is in the ESO live that I keep suggesting ppl watch)

Finally...yes this thread is ridiculous. Pages and pages of comments with many who had no clue that this was already discussed reviewed and responded to by ZOS months ago

Your logic as to why other console mmo's can't be compared to another console mmo is...let's say... ilogical...

This is a quite simple discussion that has been fluffed up by your illogical banter.

You took place in and supported the chat bubble idea and I simply explained why it will not work.

Now once again there is no other system that will allow people to speak to full zones of players like text chat can, so once again... why should a great tool such as that not be implemented when it proved itself successful on every other console mmo, AND also proved successful on the PC version of the same exact game.

You have yet to give a logical response to that question and also have not given an alternative that is just as effective text chat.

And they won't give you one, man. There's a reason for it: they're TES fans that don't want anything that will make this game viable as what it is: an MMO. There's no excuse for opposing a text box that can be turned off; in fact I'll do them one better, the default setting can be off and we'll be the ones to undertake the onerous task of turning it on in the option menu.
They want a single player game(possibly with the added spice of running in to a PC or two while questing) and nothing we can say will change that.

Respectfully this topic became illogical after the June ESO live episode.

June was the month ESO launched; it was illogical before the public even had access to the game!? No, dude, I'm sorry. Companies, especially those offering continuing services must and do listen to overwhelming consumer demands when they've made a poor choice.
That's what's happened and that's what these flood of forum discussions have been about.

Unfortunately you may not have been in the closed beta or the closed forums. Sorry but that I speak of was prior to the June release. A lot of feedback, tweaks and changes were made as well as a lot of conversation on this topic

Publicly in these forums there were lots of discussion when they added to their knowledge based articles to clarify the consoles would only have limited keyboard support. One of the mods had an incorrect statement which prompted the uproar prior to closed beta. That conversation lead into the closed beta forums which was why ZOS took time to address it on ESO live twice.

Lots of those conversations shared your positions and to be honest a lot of your input as well as others who wanted to see the feature.

We learned that text chat was actually scrapped early in development so it never saw the light of day

Kleptobrainiac · August 2015

No

Well, I guess that just about wraps things up here. A special thanks to all the participants. This thread can now be closed.

/End

Quagmire4german4 · August 2015

Yes

Kleptobrainiac wrote: »

Well, I guess that just about wraps things up here. A special thanks to all the participants. This thread can now be closed.

/End

Nope

Nosam · August 2015

Yes

I realize a couple of you follow your cult leader who has some delusional problem making him think he is some speaker of authority , when in truth he's a regular chump just like everyone else,

But most of us don't really care what he says.

Text chat needs to be added.

TequilaFire · August 2015

No

The only authority is ZOS so until they speak definitively it all just blowing in the wind.

Eriquito3 · August 2015

Yes

TequilaFire wrote: »

The only authority is ZOS so until they speak definitively it all just blowing in the wind.

Tell that to your friend who pretends to be a mod.

LOlOlOLOlOlI

TequilaFire · August 2015

No

Please stop making this personal.
Kind of silly.

KiraTsukasa · August 2015

No

mrskinskull wrote: »

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote: »

Akerith wrote: »

senhavran wrote: »

Here's an official response on the matter from Twitch :

ZOS_Jessica_Folsom: For those asking about text chat on console, we do see all the requests for it (on our forums, social media channels, reddit, etc.), but we don't have anything new to share about the topic.

I do have something new to share with you Zenimad,I'm selling the game.
Next time you develop a MMORPG try to actually care about your customers.
Had a good run,good luck guys.

REALLY?

The product you were promised arrived exactly as demonstrated in the beta and because the developers didn't drop everything to accommodate a niche demand, you are going to burn your disc?

That seems like a mature and rational decision.

Best of luck.

Well, if that's the decision he's come to, then it's his to make. I won't stop him, more loot for me.

I'm not really sure what's going on with this topic anymore. Did they really confirm that text chat wasn't coming any time soon?

That post just smells like hyperbole to me.

Would you toss away a luxury car if it diet have a car phone?

Even if of had a. USB charger for your second screen ?

Or would you pine for technology from the 90s?

...What?

Also, I drive a vehicle that still has a cassette player. But that isn't the point of having a car.