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Elektrakosh · August 2015

As a strict PvE player, I will be missing out on skyshards and delves that are in Cyrodiil, correct? How will I be able to catch up to folk who have more skills/ levels than I if I have to go in a PvP environment and get slaughtered?

Kaitona · August 2015

You will get slaughtered without those skill points, there is no disputing that. I'd just avoid those areas if I were you.

Vegaroth · August 2015

just go to cirodiil, u dont need to really figth if u choose the less transited ways and avoid the "swords" in your map, of course ull get killed time to time but with patience and care is posible get the skyshards without big problem. Try as possible to get into a campaing dominated by your faction or if not possible then a low populated campaign.

Elektrakosh · August 2015

Vegaroth wrote: »

just go to cirodiil, u dont need to really figth if u choose the less transited ways and avoid the "swords" in your map, of course ull get killed time to time but with patience and care is posible get the skyshards without big problem. Try as possible to get into a campaing dominated by your faction or if not possible then a low populated campaign.

The areas are dominated by the Dominion, I can't get anywhere.

So, I'd like some ZOS person to help remedy this. If they can.

KiraTsukasa · August 2015

Elektrakosh wrote: »

Vegaroth wrote: »

just go to cirodiil, u dont need to really figth if u choose the less transited ways and avoid the "swords" in your map, of course ull get killed time to time but with patience and care is posible get the skyshards without big problem. Try as possible to get into a campaing dominated by your faction or if not possible then a low populated campaign.

The areas are dominated by the Dominion, I can't get anywhere.

So, I'd like some ZOS person to help remedy this. If they can.

If you don't want to do PvP, then you'll just have to miss out on some Skyshards. If they were going to "remedy" this, they wouldn't have put any of them in PvP zones.

Goldie · August 2015

Elektrakosh wrote: »

As a strict PvE player, I will be missing out on skyshards and delves that are in Cyrodiil, correct? How will I be able to catch up to folk who have more skills/ levels than I if I have to go in a PvP environment and get slaughtered?

It is not necessary to collect ALL the skyshards in the game, yes you are missing out on a few that are in Cyrodiil, but you have more than enough to fill up the abilities and skills that you use without them.

Mojmir · August 2015

Goldie wrote: »

Elektrakosh wrote: »

As a strict PvE player, I will be missing out on skyshards and delves that are in Cyrodiil, correct? How will I be able to catch up to folk who have more skills/ levels than I if I have to go in a PvP environment and get slaughtered?

It is not necessary to collect ALL the skyshards in the game, yes you are missing out on a few that are in Cyrodiil, but you have more than enough to fill up the abilities and skills that you use without them.

true, i got the ones from home campaign in cyrodiil, roughly sitting on 200 skyshards. if you need more than that your probably trying to do to much with one character

Elektrakosh · August 2015

Mojmir wrote: »

Goldie wrote: »

Elektrakosh wrote: »

As a strict PvE player, I will be missing out on skyshards and delves that are in Cyrodiil, correct? How will I be able to catch up to folk who have more skills/ levels than I if I have to go in a PvP environment and get slaughtered?

It is not necessary to collect ALL the skyshards in the game, yes you are missing out on a few that are in Cyrodiil, but you have more than enough to fill up the abilities and skills that you use without them.

true, i got the ones from home campaign in cyrodiil, roughly sitting on 200 skyshards. if you need more than that your probably trying to do to much with one character

I'd like to get ability points to actually master a couple of things other than much needed battle skills like clothier/woodworker etc. Yes, alts are meant to help but for once in my existence I'd like to complete something rather than sit on the sidelines and watch others complete shard runs or [insert other completionist achievements here]. Yes I understand that in game without PvP you get a fraction of the game done, but its rather disheartening if you have to miss out because of a required field.

Hopefully and I mean this in a big, big way, Orsinium will cater for this but then again, PvP players may get this too expanding the gap. Yeah folk are possibly think I may be complaining but I just want to know why a poor player like myself has to try and get shards and extra exp in an area where they have no chance of survival.

*poor player= Really crap. No really, I am.

Tectonaut · August 2015

Cyridil is just one region (pvp region) out of roughly 19/20 available regions. You'll either have to pvp a little to get those shards, or content yourself knowing you'll only miss one regions worth. If you feel you MUST have them at all costs, I'd recommend loading up a Cyridil skyshard map and run through and grab them quickly. Wish I could help more, but hopefully that is sufficient. If you are having trouble I'll help out in game, just hit me up in game anytime gamertag: "Cunning Nimbus".

Elektrakosh · August 2015

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

If you don't want to do PvP, then you'll just have to miss out on some Skyshards. If they were going to "remedy" this, they wouldn't have put any of them in PvP zones.

I'm guessing you play PvP.

KiraTsukasa · August 2015

Elektrakosh wrote: »

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

If you don't want to do PvP, then you'll just have to miss out on some Skyshards. If they were going to "remedy" this, they wouldn't have put any of them in PvP zones.

I'm guessing you play PvP.

Nope.

eNumbra · August 2015

15 Skill points for Cyrodiil and another what? 5 for the Imperial City. My main has around 270 skill points. You're not missing anything.

Elektrakosh · August 2015

Tectonaut wrote: »

Cyridil is just one region (pvp region) out of roughly 19/20 available regions. You'll either have to pvp a little to get those shards, or content yourself knowing you'll only miss one regions worth. If you feel you MUST have them at all costs, I'd recommend loading up a Cyridil skyshard map and run through and grab them quickly. Wish I could help more, but hopefully that is sufficient. If you are having trouble I'll help out in game, just hit me up in game anytime gamertag: "Cunning Nimbus".

Love that Gtag! Trouble = brick wall hence having to get away 100% of the time.

I'd like having ability points handy so I can do things other than battle all the time.

Elektrakosh · August 2015

eNumbra wrote: »

15 Skill points for Cyrodiil and another what? 5 for the Imperial City. My main has around 270 skill points. You're not missing anything.

I'd like to experience having extra ability points really. I don't have a main character due to making alts to fill in the gaps on crafting.
Besides they may make extra trees on classes and such maybe extra classes? Ability points would be used then or x ability points spent on cp.

Wild thoughts yes, possible though.

KiraTsukasa · August 2015

Elektrakosh wrote: »

eNumbra wrote: »

15 Skill points for Cyrodiil and another what? 5 for the Imperial City. My main has around 270 skill points. You're not missing anything.

I'd like to experience having extra ability points really. I don't have a main character due to making alts to fill in the gaps on crafting.

There are 325 skill points in the game from all sources last time I checked. With that many, you can max out the crafting skills you need and still have plenty for combat skills even if you miss a few Skyshards.

eNumbra · August 2015

I'd like to experience having extra ability points really. I don't have a main character due to making alts to fill in the gaps on crafting.

Have you gone through everything to Vr14? All the quests, all the skyshards, all the Dungeons?

270, and I'll tell you right now, I'm missing 2 points from skyshards in Craglorn and Cyrodiil I don't have and I've only done 2 Group Dungeons (each grants a Skill point iirc). This character has all the crafting skills maxed, two weapon lines maxed all 3 class lines maxed, 1 armor line maxed, is a vampire and has various points spread out elsewhere and he still has an extra 4-5 points I haven't found useful space for.

If you haven't hit level cap and 100%'d the zones you really can't complain about a lack of skills points, but if you really think 270 is not enough, if you really want to go all TES single player and max out everything like some sort of Tamrielic superman, you're going to have to suck it up and expand your horizons with some PvP, since thats around 20 skill points from shards and another 50 from Alliance War rank.

You can't choose to ignore part of a game and complain about not getting the full experience from it.

Elektrakosh · August 2015

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

There are 325 skill points in the game from all sources last time I checked. With that many, you can max out the crafting skills you need and still have plenty for combat skills even if you miss a few Skyshards.

I'd like to master all crafting skills on a main hence my asking about cyrodiil and such. I do not want to miss out and have to craft good stuff after end game.

Yes, I suck at battle and would like to complete collecting all shards.

Techlisp · August 2015

PvE players just want it all.

Something I have noticed PvP players get rewarded with pittance in this and in Guild Wars 2 WvW, while dungeon runners get all the loot.

Who whines the most?

PvE players when they miss out on something.

Let us PvP players have some love for once.

Elektrakosh · August 2015

eNumbra wrote: »

Have you gone through everything to Vr14? All the quests, all the skyshards, all the Dungeons?

270, and I'll tell you right now, I'm missing 2 points from skyshards in Craglorn and Cyrodiil I don't have and I've only done 2 Group Dungeons (each grants a Skill point iirc). This character has all the crafting skills maxed, two weapon lines maxed all 3 class lines maxed, 1 armor line maxed, is a vampire and has various points spread out elsewhere and he still has an extra 4-5 points I haven't found useful space for.

If you haven't hit level cap and 100%'d the zones you really can't complain about a lack of skills points, but if you really think 270 is not enough, if you really want to go all TES single player and max out everything like some sort of Tamrielic superman, you're going to have to suck it up and expand your horizons with some PvP, since thats around 20 skill points from shards and another 50 from Alliance War rank.

You can't choose to ignore part of a game and complain about not getting the full experience from it.

I have to say that I won't be looking forward to v levels. I have to avoid PvP because it is a gank fest for low levels like myself. Choosing PvE battle abilities in a PvP area does not cut it. All I'm asking is to be able to complete a shard collection. Looks like another failed achievement amongst others, doesn't it?

This game is looking more and more unattractive.

Elektrakosh · August 2015

Techlisp wrote: »

PvE players just want it all.

Something I have noticed PvP players get rewarded with pittance in this and in Guild Wars 2 WvW, while dungeon runners get all the loot.

Who whines the most?

PvE players when they miss out on something.

Let us PvP players have some love for once.

They have plenty of love hence the dlc and cyrodiil. They'll have wonderful armour and such. I just want the shards.

Is that so wrong?

Akavir_Sentinel · August 2015

OP, what you need to do is join a campaign that your Alliance is mostly winning and collect all of the skyshards. Also, you can go on Cyrodiil skyshard runs with your guild. We do those occasionally. All of them are fairly easy to obtain, the only ones that take a bit longer are the two behind the enemy gates.

ObsidianMichi · August 2015

As a mainly PvE player, I've collected most of the skyshards in the game outside of Cyrodil. You don't really need the ones in Cyrodil even when leveling a crafter, you don't even need all the dungeons. My suggestion is not to put the strain of all the crafts on one character, but have one dedicated to the major three (Woodworking, Blacksmithing, Cothier) and then level the minor ones on another (though I really recommend splitting Provisioning, Alchemy, and Enchanting to separate characters just because of the weight of inventory space).

If you want the ones in Cyrodil, find a server or watch the server for when your faction mostly dominates or at a convenient time when fewer people are on and go in with a friend. (This could be hard if you're playing Covenant.) There's safety in numbers. (I'd also suggest going in with a set of Night's Silence so you can move quickly in stealth, but that's me.) You probably won't get them all in one round because the map is huge and several are very difficult to get to. If you've got a friend (or you are in) with provisioning take some food preferably blue or purple to boost your attributes and give yourself a little more breathing room.

Avoid the main roads. Avoid enemy keeps. Take Magelight with the morph that lets you detect players in stealth or detect potions. Some kind of mount, preferably with speed maxed but not completely necessary. And you should be fine. You'll probably die, but you might also have fun. It's kinda cool sneaking around in Cyrodil because you never know what'll happen. The skyshards are mostly off the beaten path. On the outskirts, you'll mostly run into other small groups of enemy players that are questing or gankers that are looking for the questing players.

It's not so terrible, but I understand how it might feel intimidating. Time is going to be the biggest investment.

If you're really looking for quickly gotten skill points, the Cyrodil tutorial pays out with one and you don't even need to fight another player to get it.

eNumbra · August 2015

Elektrakosh wrote: »

They have plenty of love hence the dlc and cyrodiil. They'll have wonderful armour and such.

Being an admitted PvE only player, you have no perspective from which comment on the state of what PvPers get in comparison to PvEers

Techlisp · August 2015

If it is that important to you join a dead server, or go on when most people are asleep.

Get some friends or guildmates to team up with.

You seem to have built up your own wall you cannot climb over.

Elektrakosh · August 2015

Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »

OP, what you need to do is join a campaign that your Alliance is mostly winning and collect all of the skyshards. Also, you can go on Cyrodiil skyshard runs with your guild. We do those occasionally. All of them are fairly easy to obtain, the only ones that take a bit longer are the two behind the enemy gates.

The only alliances I'm in is Ebonheart Pact and Daggerfall Covenant. The Dominion has everything so that won't work. I have no guilds nor been invited to one thus that not working.

I'm pretty much on my own. Things are not looking too good really.

Azurulia · August 2015

OP's post made me laugh.

You don't need to worry too much about pvp for more than half of the skyshards, as it's quite unlikely you will encounter a player while hunting shards most of the time. If you pick a low pop campaign and avoid the transit lines, then the chances are almost none at all.

Cyrodiil's map is pretty big, and people are generally there for pvp or to farm a handful of the delvs for good exp. Outside of that, the rest of the map is a complete ghost town. Besides, as a PvE player, is it really so bad that a player kills you while searching for these things? It's not all that different then a mob killing you, only that they are smarter and won't leash. (most of the time)

Anywhom, go on in and collect all the ones in your factions area. Those are easily the safest, and then go from there. Asking for a ZOS reply for such a ridiculously trivial matter is actually quite funny.

Elektrakosh · August 2015

Azurulia wrote: »

OP's post made me laugh.

You don't need to worry too much about pvp for more than half of the skyshards, as it's quite unlikely you will encounter a player while hunting shards most of the time. If you pick a low pop campaign and avoid the transit lines, then the chances are almost none at all.

Cyrodiil's map is pretty big, and people are generally there for pvp or to farm a handful of the delvs for good exp. Outside of that, the rest of the map is a complete ghost town. Besides, as a PvE player, is it really so bad that a player kills you while searching for these things? It's not all that different then a mob killing you, only that they are smarter and won't leash. (most of the time)

Anywhom, go on in and collect all the ones in your factions area. Those are easily the safest, and then go from there. Asking for a ZOS reply for such a ridiculously trivial matter is actually quite funny.

Glad to have made someone smile. My goal my be trivial to most but in the end all I would like is to collect shards and possibly get an achievement.

Azurulia · August 2015

Elektrakosh wrote: »

Azurulia wrote: »

OP's post made me laugh.

You don't need to worry too much about pvp for more than half of the skyshards, as it's quite unlikely you will encounter a player while hunting shards most of the time. If you pick a low pop campaign and avoid the transit lines, then the chances are almost none at all.

Cyrodiil's map is pretty big, and people are generally there for pvp or to farm a handful of the delvs for good exp. Outside of that, the rest of the map is a complete ghost town. Besides, as a PvE player, is it really so bad that a player kills you while searching for these things? It's not all that different then a mob killing you, only that they are smarter and won't leash. (most of the time)

Anywhom, go on in and collect all the ones in your factions area. Those are easily the safest, and then go from there. Asking for a ZOS reply for such a ridiculously trivial matter is actually quite funny.

Glad to have made someone smile. My goal my be trivial to most but in the end all I would like is to collect shards and possibly get an achievement.

So go get em! I promise it's not hard, in fact a bit of time in a pvp zone would do most pve players a whole lot of good.

It helps teach and practice situation awareness and the awareness of your surroundings. You'll stand in a lot less fire if you are watching for it like you were a player.

NewBlacksmurf · August 2015

Get a group of 4-10 ppl who are also PvE and join a campaign where your faction seems populated.
Check the map each day and go venturing as a group.

Some are contested while some won't be...good luck

eNumbra · August 2015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuHfVn_cfHU

Elektrakosh · August 2015

Azurulia wrote: »

So go get em! I promise it's not hard, in fact a bit of time in a pvp zone would do most pve players a whole lot of good.

It helps teach and practice situation awareness and the awareness of your surroundings. You'll stand in a lot less fire if you are watching for it like you were a player.

I have to avoid fire alot anyway. Stupid vampires being so flammable! I'll think I'll go soak myself in oil just for s&g.