How to counter 30k+ Shieldstacking Enemies?

trimsic_ESO · July 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

trimsic_ESO wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Ahzek wrote: »

@Ezareth vemon arrow acts like destructive reach in that the CC/interrupt only applies if it actually damages the enmies healthbar. So VAing a temp with blazing shield/sorc with hardened wont do anything to protecr you unless you have enough damage to break the remaining shield.

This is utter stupidity. Shields should not grant users immunity to CCs, dots, procs, and secondary effects.

As a vocal "sorc is not OP" person, I can say that I completely agree with the above.

Eric said issues with this are all bugs and something they'd like to fix with an overhaul of the shields themselves.

Personally I think magical dots should tick against shields, but bleed effects and such should not be able to hit a player with a shield.

Why do you consider that bleeding effects shall be purged by the damage shields ? This is negating a lot of stamina based abilities and sets making them completely useless in PVP.

Not speaking from a balance perspective just an "RP" perspective or realism. If you're making someone "bleed" then you're getting through their shield already.

Not sure which stamina abilities have bleed effects though.

Remember the damage shields in Dune

Tankqull · July 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

Pobeda wrote: »

k2blader wrote: »

Uh, so this shield-god, does he kill you, or just stand, stack, and bore you to death? If it's the latter who cares, go find someone more interesting to fight. -_-

We found him standing. We think easy frag afk. Attack - but he not be afk. He stand in 1 place (maybe semiafk or checking something in skills, map or so on. He not run, not fight whith us. We maximum dps him long time. We cc him as quick as can. But he just stand shield stacking and all. We can`t overdps him. His hp never opened. After long time (about 7 minutes) he just need to go, or tired to play whith us and quick kill us.
We were 2. And we very successfull to catch sorcers and kill it. So when some sorc not run away and not try overdps us - and can`t lost shields and hp - this is become sport interest - how it possible - we can`t kill him. So we try make maximum, but as we both magicka build and have stamina weak point - we think it have same. But no. And I see 2-3 times another big shield stackers (little lesser then 42, but more then 30k+). And most time they just solo ganking groups of 4-7 people very fast.

There are two many sorcs using too many exploits right now to even guess who or what you were fighting.

Last night me and another nightblade and a templar took a good 5 minutes to kill a sorc who admitted to me in tells he was using every exploit in the book. If I were to wrecking blow *my* sorc a single hit would take my shields to 20% or so....this guy was taking 3 wrecking blows back to back without losing his shield and not refreshing it. He wasn't quite like the "B" sorc but it was nearly as bad. *This* is why people think shieldstacking is broken and it needs fixed soon.

thats currently the problem you can hardly say who plays a "legit" sorc(beside beeing able tzo kill them^^) and who does not saddly.

FENGRUSH · July 2015

Tankqull wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Pobeda wrote: »

k2blader wrote: »

Uh, so this shield-god, does he kill you, or just stand, stack, and bore you to death? If it's the latter who cares, go find someone more interesting to fight. -_-

We found him standing. We think easy frag afk. Attack - but he not be afk. He stand in 1 place (maybe semiafk or checking something in skills, map or so on. He not run, not fight whith us. We maximum dps him long time. We cc him as quick as can. But he just stand shield stacking and all. We can`t overdps him. His hp never opened. After long time (about 7 minutes) he just need to go, or tired to play whith us and quick kill us.
We were 2. And we very successfull to catch sorcers and kill it. So when some sorc not run away and not try overdps us - and can`t lost shields and hp - this is become sport interest - how it possible - we can`t kill him. So we try make maximum, but as we both magicka build and have stamina weak point - we think it have same. But no. And I see 2-3 times another big shield stackers (little lesser then 42, but more then 30k+). And most time they just solo ganking groups of 4-7 people very fast.

There are two many sorcs using too many exploits right now to even guess who or what you were fighting.

Last night me and another nightblade and a templar took a good 5 minutes to kill a sorc who admitted to me in tells he was using every exploit in the book. If I were to wrecking blow *my* sorc a single hit would take my shields to 20% or so....this guy was taking 3 wrecking blows back to back without losing his shield and not refreshing it. He wasn't quite like the "B" sorc but it was nearly as bad. *This* is why people think shieldstacking is broken and it needs fixed soon.

thats currently the problem you can hardly say who plays a "legit" sorc(beside beeing able tzo kill them^^) and who does not saddly.

Anyone playing magicka sorc is not legit.

Ahzek · July 2015

@Fengrush the divine lord and harbringer of the stam sorc. May I dare to disagree with your statement ? We humble magicka peasanty mostly hold back from your stamina godliness simply because our flesh is weak and we fear change from the old ways. Still we are all playing our sorcerer to bring our opponents their demise and we do so with the tools availabe to us.
(Sadly many take the above statement too freely and actually exploit every "weakness the game mechanics offer to them" as do others ... Double mundus, blegh)

Ellwin · August 2015

im not sure if anyone covered this because its hard to sift through 10 pages of comments but just to shed some light.

I am a shield stacking sorc; my current gear provides 39k magicka and 2.7k spell damage buffed.

With 100 champion points in bastion this is how my shields translate:

Hardened Ward: 18492
Healing Ward: 6750
Harness Magicka: 15752
Replenishing Barrier: 41480

my health and shields: 20k(82474)

that means anyone could potentially have: 64k+ shields against magic(cause harness absorbs magic damage)

if you have any trouble with this math let me know

DisgracefulMind · August 2015

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Pobeda wrote: »

k2blader wrote: »

Uh, so this shield-god, does he kill you, or just stand, stack, and bore you to death? If it's the latter who cares, go find someone more interesting to fight. -_-

We found him standing. We think easy frag afk. Attack - but he not be afk. He stand in 1 place (maybe semiafk or checking something in skills, map or so on. He not run, not fight whith us. We maximum dps him long time. We cc him as quick as can. But he just stand shield stacking and all. We can`t overdps him. His hp never opened. After long time (about 7 minutes) he just need to go, or tired to play whith us and quick kill us.
We were 2. And we very successfull to catch sorcers and kill it. So when some sorc not run away and not try overdps us - and can`t lost shields and hp - this is become sport interest - how it possible - we can`t kill him. So we try make maximum, but as we both magicka build and have stamina weak point - we think it have same. But no. And I see 2-3 times another big shield stackers (little lesser then 42, but more then 30k+). And most time they just solo ganking groups of 4-7 people very fast.

There are two many sorcs using too many exploits right now to even guess who or what you were fighting.

Last night me and another nightblade and a templar took a good 5 minutes to kill a sorc who admitted to me in tells he was using every exploit in the book. If I were to wrecking blow *my* sorc a single hit would take my shields to 20% or so....this guy was taking 3 wrecking blows back to back without losing his shield and not refreshing it. He wasn't quite like the "B" sorc but it was nearly as bad. *This* is why people think shieldstacking is broken and it needs fixed soon.

thats currently the problem you can hardly say who plays a "legit" sorc(beside beeing able tzo kill them^^) and who does not saddly.

Anyone playing magicka sorc is not legit.

My Lord FENGRUSH I take great insult to this as I have been traveling through fields many times, and have seen you escaping the blobs and have offered you plenty healing wards to aid you in dire moments. Let both stamina and magicka Sorcerers be in union. Except for the exploiting magicka Sorcerers. I will continue to slaughter them like the squealing schwein they are.
>:(

FENGRUSH · August 2015

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Pobeda wrote: »

k2blader wrote: »

Uh, so this shield-god, does he kill you, or just stand, stack, and bore you to death? If it's the latter who cares, go find someone more interesting to fight. -_-

We found him standing. We think easy frag afk. Attack - but he not be afk. He stand in 1 place (maybe semiafk or checking something in skills, map or so on. He not run, not fight whith us. We maximum dps him long time. We cc him as quick as can. But he just stand shield stacking and all. We can`t overdps him. His hp never opened. After long time (about 7 minutes) he just need to go, or tired to play whith us and quick kill us.
We were 2. And we very successfull to catch sorcers and kill it. So when some sorc not run away and not try overdps us - and can`t lost shields and hp - this is become sport interest - how it possible - we can`t kill him. So we try make maximum, but as we both magicka build and have stamina weak point - we think it have same. But no. And I see 2-3 times another big shield stackers (little lesser then 42, but more then 30k+). And most time they just solo ganking groups of 4-7 people very fast.

There are two many sorcs using too many exploits right now to even guess who or what you were fighting.

Last night me and another nightblade and a templar took a good 5 minutes to kill a sorc who admitted to me in tells he was using every exploit in the book. If I were to wrecking blow *my* sorc a single hit would take my shields to 20% or so....this guy was taking 3 wrecking blows back to back without losing his shield and not refreshing it. He wasn't quite like the "B" sorc but it was nearly as bad. *This* is why people think shieldstacking is broken and it needs fixed soon.

thats currently the problem you can hardly say who plays a "legit" sorc(beside beeing able tzo kill them^^) and who does not saddly.

Anyone playing magicka sorc is not legit.

My Lord FENGRUSH I take great insult to this as I have been traveling through fields many times, and have seen you escaping the blobs and have offered you plenty healing wards to aid you in dire moments. Let both stamina and magicka Sorcerers be in union. Except for the exploiting magicka Sorcerers. I will continue to slaughter them like the squealing schwein they are.
>:(

Thank you for your devotion to The Lord.

He does not hate those who play magicka sorc - there are many an ally out there doing so. It is not without truth though that these warriors have obtained a natural advantage from the ZOS balance department! You cannot fault players for taking advantage of strengths and playing to them. It is no different than players balling up in zergs that they do so due to the fact that ZOS has built in advantages for it. The blame is on their end - not the players.

FENGRUSH believes in achieving victory through disadvantage. It is the doctrine and philosophy that fuels The Lord to achieve the greatest glory in combat.

k2blader · August 2015

ladyshadow wrote: »

im not sure if anyone covered this because its hard to sift through 10 pages of comments but just to shed some light.

I am a shield stacking sorc; my current gear provides 39k magicka and 2.7k spell damage buffed.

With 100 champion points in bastion this is how my shields translate:

Hardened Ward: 18492
Healing Ward: 6750
Harness Magicka: 15752
Replenishing Barrier: 41480

my health and shields: 20k(82474)

that means anyone could potentially have: 64k+ shields against magic(cause harness absorbs magic damage)

if you have any trouble with this math let me know

So many people "forget" many do not have 100 CPs to spend in one passive. lol

Ellwin · August 2015

k2blader wrote: »

ladyshadow wrote: »

im not sure if anyone covered this because its hard to sift through 10 pages of comments but just to shed some light.

I am a shield stacking sorc; my current gear provides 39k magicka and 2.7k spell damage buffed.

With 100 champion points in bastion this is how my shields translate:

Hardened Ward: 18492
Healing Ward: 6750
Harness Magicka: 15752
Replenishing Barrier: 41480

my health and shields: 20k(82474)

that means anyone could potentially have: 64k+ shields against magic(cause harness absorbs magic damage)

if you have any trouble with this math let me know

So many people "forget" many do not have 100 CPs to spend in one passive. lol

very true. and honestly its all i have. sorcs dont need a whole lot of other passives in the red tree

Ezareth · August 2015

ladyshadow wrote: »

k2blader wrote: »

ladyshadow wrote: »

im not sure if anyone covered this because its hard to sift through 10 pages of comments but just to shed some light.

I am a shield stacking sorc; my current gear provides 39k magicka and 2.7k spell damage buffed.

With 100 champion points in bastion this is how my shields translate:

Hardened Ward: 18492
Healing Ward: 6750
Harness Magicka: 15752
Replenishing Barrier: 41480

my health and shields: 20k(82474)

that means anyone could potentially have: 64k+ shields against magic(cause harness absorbs magic damage)

if you have any trouble with this math let me know

So many people "forget" many do not have 100 CPs to spend in one passive. lol

very true. and honestly its all i have. sorcs dont need a whole lot of other passives in the red tree

You'd actually get more benefit putting a good 10 points in your elemental and magick damage defenses as those translate to your shields as well but 100 points into bastion isn't a terrible idea either.

Most active players who have done some light grinding and/or play 4+ hours a day since 1.6 have over 300 CPs now. I took a good month off since 1.6 and I still have over 300.

DisgracefulMind · August 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

ladyshadow wrote: »

k2blader wrote: »

ladyshadow wrote: »

im not sure if anyone covered this because its hard to sift through 10 pages of comments but just to shed some light.

I am a shield stacking sorc; my current gear provides 39k magicka and 2.7k spell damage buffed.

With 100 champion points in bastion this is how my shields translate:

Hardened Ward: 18492
Healing Ward: 6750
Harness Magicka: 15752
Replenishing Barrier: 41480

my health and shields: 20k(82474)

that means anyone could potentially have: 64k+ shields against magic(cause harness absorbs magic damage)

if you have any trouble with this math let me know

So many people "forget" many do not have 100 CPs to spend in one passive. lol

very true. and honestly its all i have. sorcs dont need a whole lot of other passives in the red tree

You'd actually get more benefit putting a good 10 points in your elemental and magick damage defenses as those translate to your shields as well but 100 points into bastion isn't a terrible idea either.

Most active players who have done some light grinding and/or play 4+ hours a day since 1.6 have over 300 CPs now. I took a good month off since 1.6 and I still have over 300.

Elemental Defender and Hardy are AMAZING for defenses. I haven't poured all my points into Bastion myself, and I still mitigate a nice amount of damage between those two passives. Sorcs have a wide range of options in the CP tree.

iTzStevey · August 2015

Hardened ward isnt the problem, healing ward is. People say hardened ward is OP when all they need to do is play a sorc to find its not. Hardened ward on my sorc is something like 8.5k, and it gets broken in like 3-4 seconds? For me to have hardened ward up constantly i have to spam it, which means im doing zero damage, but i get a few streaks off,healing ward and BOOP, full health, but then i have low magicka which means i cant do enough damage with the amount of magicka i have, and cant streak away again because it costs too much, and thats with using drink having 2k regen.

It makes me giggle when people say "its impossible to kill a good sorc" it's not impossible atall, but it is very difficult and it SHOULD be, same as its difficult to kill any good player of any class. If everyone is on the same level at all times then there is no point in progression. If thats what people want ZoS may aswell remove levels,give everyone 3600 cp as soon as they start and make the game a complete gear grind, which would make the game less interesting than runescape -_-

Now add cp into the equation and yeah hardened ward becomes OP after youve got a few hundred, but you can make any skill OP with CP, not just hardened ward.

So in my opinion the problem is CP and healing ward, both are being looked at in U7 so stop whining.

Ahzek · August 2015

@iTzStevey I am sorry, but ewith a hardened ward of only 8.5k you are quite in the minority. I myself ran a 9k HW build for several months and switched to a stronger 12k one recently and the difference is enormous. Hardened ward is one of the best defensive tools in the game, when you have the magicka (and CP) to make it work.
With HW values of 14k becomming more and more the norm the outcry about the shields strenght also gets louder and louder, which is only understandable.

iTzStevey · August 2015

Ahzek wrote: »

@iTzStevey I am sorry, but ewith a hardened ward of only 8.5k you are quite in the minority. I myself ran a 9k HW build for several months and switched to a stronger 12k one recently and the difference is enormous. Hardened ward is one of the best defensive tools in the game, when you have the magicka (and CP) to make it work.
With HW values of 14k becomming more and more the norm the outcry about the shields strenght also gets louder and louder, which is only understandable.

Thats what i said, with enough cp you can make it overpowered, same as pretty much any other skill in the game. People with 14k hardened ward is the minority, because not everyone has 300+ cp, not to mention im on console so there are veeeeery few people with that many cp. People will cry on these forums about anyone that is stronger than they are, wether thats because they're too lazy to research other classes and find their weakness (sorcs being CC) or just plain bad, or even just not bothering to look at their own abilities and swap things out, their will always be people that cry nerf, doesnt make them right...

Ahzek · August 2015

@iTzStevey this is not a matter of CPs (at least not purely). Simply building your charackter to reach certain magicka values (at least 30k ) with some decent CP (around 100ish) can yield quite high hardened ward values.

Joy_Division · August 2015

iTzStevey wrote: »

Ahzek wrote: »

@iTzStevey I am sorry, but ewith a hardened ward of only 8.5k you are quite in the minority. I myself ran a 9k HW build for several months and switched to a stronger 12k one recently and the difference is enormous. Hardened ward is one of the best defensive tools in the game, when you have the magicka (and CP) to make it work.
With HW values of 14k becomming more and more the norm the outcry about the shields strenght also gets louder and louder, which is only understandable.

Thats what i said, with enough cp you can make it overpowered, same as pretty much any other skill in the game. People with 14k hardened ward is the minority, because not everyone has 300+ cp, not to mention im on console so there are veeeeery few people with that many cp. People will cry on these forums about anyone that is stronger than they are, wether thats because they're too lazy to research other classes and find their weakness (sorcs being CC) or just plain bad, or even just not bothering to look at their own abilities and swap things out, their will always be people that cry nerf, doesnt make them right...

Go ahead and try to make Sun Shield OP.

Ezareth · August 2015

iTzStevey wrote: »

Ahzek wrote: »

@iTzStevey I am sorry, but ewith a hardened ward of only 8.5k you are quite in the minority. I myself ran a 9k HW build for several months and switched to a stronger 12k one recently and the difference is enormous. Hardened ward is one of the best defensive tools in the game, when you have the magicka (and CP) to make it work.
With HW values of 14k becomming more and more the norm the outcry about the shields strenght also gets louder and louder, which is only understandable.

Thats what i said, with enough cp you can make it overpowered, same as pretty much any other skill in the game. People with 14k hardened ward is the minority, because not everyone has 300+ cp, not to mention im on console so there are veeeeery few people with that many cp. People will cry on these forums about anyone that is stronger than they are, wether thats because they're too lazy to research other classes and find their weakness (sorcs being CC) or just plain bad, or even just not bothering to look at their own abilities and swap things out, their will always be people that cry nerf, doesnt make them right...

I know pretty much 70-80% of the hardcore PvPers out there have passed the 300 CP mark. In my guild of 20-30 PvPers maybe 1/3rd of them are under 300.

I run drink and apprentice (no mundus/magelight exploit) and my sorc has over a 14K ward now. With CP Magicka stat bonus, the Hardened Ward 33%, and Bastion the increase of shield size is far outpacing the increase in damage.

FluffiestOne · August 2015

Joy_Division wrote: »

iTzStevey wrote: »

Ahzek wrote: »

@iTzStevey I am sorry, but ewith a hardened ward of only 8.5k you are quite in the minority. I myself ran a 9k HW build for several months and switched to a stronger 12k one recently and the difference is enormous. Hardened ward is one of the best defensive tools in the game, when you have the magicka (and CP) to make it work.
With HW values of 14k becomming more and more the norm the outcry about the shields strenght also gets louder and louder, which is only understandable.

Thats what i said, with enough cp you can make it overpowered, same as pretty much any other skill in the game. People with 14k hardened ward is the minority, because not everyone has 300+ cp, not to mention im on console so there are veeeeery few people with that many cp. People will cry on these forums about anyone that is stronger than they are, wether thats because they're too lazy to research other classes and find their weakness (sorcs being CC) or just plain bad, or even just not bothering to look at their own abilities and swap things out, their will always be people that cry nerf, doesnt make them right...

Go ahead and try to make Sun Shield OP.

I had a 50k hp build that stacks sun and bone shield. Kek

iTzStevey · August 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

iTzStevey wrote: »

Ahzek wrote: »

@iTzStevey I am sorry, but ewith a hardened ward of only 8.5k you are quite in the minority. I myself ran a 9k HW build for several months and switched to a stronger 12k one recently and the difference is enormous. Hardened ward is one of the best defensive tools in the game, when you have the magicka (and CP) to make it work.
With HW values of 14k becomming more and more the norm the outcry about the shields strenght also gets louder and louder, which is only understandable.

Thats what i said, with enough cp you can make it overpowered, same as pretty much any other skill in the game. People with 14k hardened ward is the minority, because not everyone has 300+ cp, not to mention im on console so there are veeeeery few people with that many cp. People will cry on these forums about anyone that is stronger than they are, wether thats because they're too lazy to research other classes and find their weakness (sorcs being CC) or just plain bad, or even just not bothering to look at their own abilities and swap things out, their will always be people that cry nerf, doesnt make them right...

I know pretty much 70-80% of the hardcore PvPers out there have passed the 300 CP mark. In my guild of 20-30 PvPers maybe 1/3rd of them are under 300.

I run drink and apprentice (no mundus/magelight exploit) and my sorc has over a 14K ward now. With CP Magicka stat bonus, the Hardened Ward 33%, and Bastion the increase of shield size is far outpacing the increase in damage.

And? Not everyone in Cyrodiil is a hardcore pvper...so thats irrelevant. You're basically trying to disagree with me but still agreeing, i said you CAN make it op.

iTzStevey · August 2015

Joy_Division wrote: »

iTzStevey wrote: »

Ahzek wrote: »

@iTzStevey I am sorry, but ewith a hardened ward of only 8.5k you are quite in the minority. I myself ran a 9k HW build for several months and switched to a stronger 12k one recently and the difference is enormous. Hardened ward is one of the best defensive tools in the game, when you have the magicka (and CP) to make it work.
With HW values of 14k becomming more and more the norm the outcry about the shields strenght also gets louder and louder, which is only understandable.

Thats what i said, with enough cp you can make it overpowered, same as pretty much any other skill in the game. People with 14k hardened ward is the minority, because not everyone has 300+ cp, not to mention im on console so there are veeeeery few people with that many cp. People will cry on these forums about anyone that is stronger than they are, wether thats because they're too lazy to research other classes and find their weakness (sorcs being CC) or just plain bad, or even just not bothering to look at their own abilities and swap things out, their will always be people that cry nerf, doesnt make them right...

Go ahead and try to make Sun Shield OP.

You mean that shield that does aoe damage and increases in strength when you hit someone? Yeah you could make that op with enough cp.

CMG138 · August 2015

Bashev wrote: »

Seaber wrote: »

The real question is how do you counter someone with 85k hp that isn't the emperor?

Where did you get these numbers from? Max HP that you can reach without emp is around 60k - 65k -- (600 CP)

Are you *** kidding me? People actually have that much HP now?

k2blader · August 2015

Ahzek wrote: »

@iTzStevey this is not a matter of CPs (at least not purely). Simply building your charackter to reach certain magicka values (at least 30k ) with some decent CP (around 100ish) can yield quite high hardened ward values.

I am not the best geared and consider myself an average player in terms of how I approach the game. I have 101 CPs. I don't have what anyone would call a bubble build (lol). With purple food my Hardened Ward is a little over 10k. Do you think that's high?

k2blader · August 2015

ladyshadow wrote: »

k2blader wrote: »

ladyshadow wrote: »

im not sure if anyone covered this because its hard to sift through 10 pages of comments but just to shed some light.

I am a shield stacking sorc; my current gear provides 39k magicka and 2.7k spell damage buffed.

With 100 champion points in bastion this is how my shields translate:

Hardened Ward: 18492
Healing Ward: 6750
Harness Magicka: 15752
Replenishing Barrier: 41480

my health and shields: 20k(82474)

that means anyone could potentially have: 64k+ shields against magic(cause harness absorbs magic damage)

if you have any trouble with this math let me know

So many people "forget" many do not have 100 CPs to spend in one passive. lol

very true. and honestly its all i have. sorcs dont need a whole lot of other passives in the red tree

Seriously though, thank you for sharing those numbers. It explains a lot (at least to me) as I've always been confused how some people seem to have much more ease employing shields than I do. :-)

LazyLewis · August 2015

Most shield stackers don't have much stamina. Don't over CC them. Knock them down every time their CC Immunity ends. Get one of their shields down then knock them down and finish the job. They wont be able to get back up. Usually takes 3-4 knock downs then they are out of stam.

Ezareth · August 2015

LazyLewis wrote: »

Most shield stackers don't have much stamina. Don't over CC them. Knock them down every time their CC Immunity ends. Get one of their shields down then knock them down and finish the job. They wont be able to get back up. Usually takes 3-4 knock downs then they are out of stam.

Not the good ones. You don't need much stamina regen if you're a werewolf and running tri-pots. I've done the math on this and currently if you're running food, have 6% stamina regen in CP trees, are a werewolf and chain-chugging tripots then it will take two minutes to run you out of stam if you're CC'ed every 8 seconds without fail. Just not a viable strategy against players with 300+ CPs now.

Waylander · August 2015

So did we ever work out how to beat the 30k+ shield stack?

I have found on my stamina sorc (who finds magica sorcs the hardest class to beat) that going werewolf and killing them with a fear and 2 shot seems to work best.

The hardest things with sorcs is that if your CC doesn't involve a knockdown and significant damage (wrecking blow, crystal frags, piercing howl) then they can break free and re shield before you have a chance to dps them down.

WW works well for the gap closer and instant cast high damage cc plus surprise factor. Without the surprise factor they one shot you in wolf form with dawnbreaker of smiting.

Darnathian · August 2015

ladyshadow wrote: »

im not sure if anyone covered this because its hard to sift through 10 pages of comments but just to shed some light.

I am a shield stacking sorc; my current gear provides 39k magicka and 2.7k spell damage buffed.

With 100 champion points in bastion this is how my shields translate:

Hardened Ward: 18492
Healing Ward: 6750
Harness Magicka: 15752
Replenishing Barrier: 41480

my health and shields: 20k(82474)

that means anyone could potentially have: 64k+ shields against magic(cause harness absorbs magic damage)

if you have any trouble with this math let me know

18k from one shield? Wow. But they will try to convince you its not the problem.

Only another sorc or nb can burst through that.

Ellwin · August 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

ladyshadow wrote: »

k2blader wrote: »

ladyshadow wrote: »

im not sure if anyone covered this because its hard to sift through 10 pages of comments but just to shed some light.

I am a shield stacking sorc; my current gear provides 39k magicka and 2.7k spell damage buffed.

With 100 champion points in bastion this is how my shields translate:

Hardened Ward: 18492
Healing Ward: 6750
Harness Magicka: 15752
Replenishing Barrier: 41480

my health and shields: 20k(82474)

that means anyone could potentially have: 64k+ shields against magic(cause harness absorbs magic damage)

if you have any trouble with this math let me know

So many people "forget" many do not have 100 CPs to spend in one passive. lol

very true. and honestly its all i have. sorcs dont need a whole lot of other passives in the red tree

You'd actually get more benefit putting a good 10 points in your elemental and magick damage defenses as those translate to your shields as well but 100 points into bastion isn't a terrible idea either.

Most active players who have done some light grinding and/or play 4+ hours a day since 1.6 have over 300 CPs now. I took a good month off since 1.6 and I still have over 300.

those passives dont translate to your shields. if your a sorc putting points into damage mitigation your doing it wrong

Ahzek · August 2015

ladyshadow wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

ladyshadow wrote: »

k2blader wrote: »

ladyshadow wrote: »

im not sure if anyone covered this because its hard to sift through 10 pages of comments but just to shed some light.

I am a shield stacking sorc; my current gear provides 39k magicka and 2.7k spell damage buffed.

With 100 champion points in bastion this is how my shields translate:

Hardened Ward: 18492
Healing Ward: 6750
Harness Magicka: 15752
Replenishing Barrier: 41480

my health and shields: 20k(82474)

that means anyone could potentially have: 64k+ shields against magic(cause harness absorbs magic damage)

if you have any trouble with this math let me know

So many people "forget" many do not have 100 CPs to spend in one passive. lol

very true. and honestly its all i have. sorcs dont need a whole lot of other passives in the red tree

You'd actually get more benefit putting a good 10 points in your elemental and magick damage defenses as those translate to your shields as well but 100 points into bastion isn't a terrible idea either.

Most active players who have done some light grinding and/or play 4+ hours a day since 1.6 have over 300 CPs now. I took a good month off since 1.6 and I still have over 300.

those passives dont translate to your shields. if your a sorc putting points into damage mitigation your doing it wrong

Fun fact: %dmg mitigation that does not originate from armor or spellresistance, such as the Cyrodiils light 5 piece, the "Undeath" passive, or several CP DOES translate to shields from what i know ( have to test it again sometimes).

Rylana · August 2015

Ahzek wrote: »

ladyshadow wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

ladyshadow wrote: »

k2blader wrote: »

ladyshadow wrote: »

im not sure if anyone covered this because its hard to sift through 10 pages of comments but just to shed some light.

I am a shield stacking sorc; my current gear provides 39k magicka and 2.7k spell damage buffed.

With 100 champion points in bastion this is how my shields translate:

Hardened Ward: 18492
Healing Ward: 6750
Harness Magicka: 15752
Replenishing Barrier: 41480

my health and shields: 20k(82474)

that means anyone could potentially have: 64k+ shields against magic(cause harness absorbs magic damage)

if you have any trouble with this math let me know

So many people "forget" many do not have 100 CPs to spend in one passive. lol

very true. and honestly its all i have. sorcs dont need a whole lot of other passives in the red tree

You'd actually get more benefit putting a good 10 points in your elemental and magick damage defenses as those translate to your shields as well but 100 points into bastion isn't a terrible idea either.

Most active players who have done some light grinding and/or play 4+ hours a day since 1.6 have over 300 CPs now. I took a good month off since 1.6 and I still have over 300.

those passives dont translate to your shields. if your a sorc putting points into damage mitigation your doing it wrong

Fun fact: %dmg mitigation that does not originate from armor or spellresistance, such as the Cyrodiils light 5 piece, the "Undeath" passive, or several CP DOES translate to shields from what i know ( have to test it again sometimes).

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