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Players like you are so completely deluded from being neck-deep into the game of exploiting bugs that you qualify exploiters as good players.
There is no balance in this game anyway since they introduced the Champion System.Lava_Croft wrote: »People knowingly exploiting bugs to get an advantage over others are not good players. That's why it's so sad, because players like Fluff don't need such exploits in order to wreck people, but prefer to exploit anyway.
Comparing this to a bug that people might have been unknowingly exploiting since 1.3 shows how much you are missing the point.
Fluff has probably way more CP than any of these guys. Still doesnt make him a bad player.
Good players don't need to purposefully and willfully exploit bugs in order to gain an advantage. Such players are trash. Trash that is allowed to exist because ZOS lacks the manpower, backbone or combination of the two to actually police their curated gaming experience.
Nearly the entire self-appointed upper echelon of this game's player base is nothing more than a festering pool of exploiters.
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Juraigr✭✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »People knowingly exploiting bugs to get an advantage over others are not good players. That's why it's so sad, because players like Fluff don't need such exploits in order to wreck people, but prefer to exploit anyway.
Comparing this to a bug that people might have been unknowingly exploiting since 1.3 shows how much you are missing the point.
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Soulac✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »People knowingly exploiting bugs to get an advantage over others are not good players. That's why it's so sad, because players like Fluff don't need such exploits in order to wreck people, but prefer to exploit anyway.
Comparing this to a bug that people might have been unknowingly exploiting since 1.3 shows how much you are missing the point.
*cough* concealed wpn spam
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Because I actively started using Concealed Weapon just because it is bugged.Lava_Croft wrote: »People knowingly exploiting bugs to get an advantage over others are not good players. That's why it's so sad, because players like Fluff don't need such exploits in order to wreck people, but prefer to exploit anyway.
Comparing this to a bug that people might have been unknowingly exploiting since 1.3 shows how much you are missing the point.
*cough* concealed wpn spam
Because you actively started using the dodgeroll-ignoring Whip/Lash because it is bugged.
See what I did there? Nobody started chasing after for example these two skills because they are bugged, people use them because they have no alternative. People exploiting dual mundus or the Overload bar are not comparable to this, no matter how hard you keep trying.3 -
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✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
Players like you are so completely deluded from being neck-deep into the game of exploiting bugs that you qualify exploiters as good players.
There is no balance in this game anyway since they introduced the Champion System.Lava_Croft wrote: »People knowingly exploiting bugs to get an advantage over others are not good players. That's why it's so sad, because players like Fluff don't need such exploits in order to wreck people, but prefer to exploit anyway.
Comparing this to a bug that people might have been unknowingly exploiting since 1.3 shows how much you are missing the point.
Fluff has probably way more CP than any of these guys. Still doesnt make him a bad player.
Good players don't need to purposefully and willfully exploit bugs in order to gain an advantage. Such players are trash. Trash that is allowed to exist because ZOS lacks the manpower, backbone or combination of the two to actually police their curated gaming experience.
Nearly the entire self-appointed upper echelon of this game's player base is nothing more than a festering pool of exploiters.
MORE TEARS PLS. THEY TASTE SO SWEET.Lastobeth - VR16 Sorc - PvP Rank 41 (AD)
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✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »People knowingly exploiting bugs to get an advantage over others are not good players. That's why it's so sad, because players like Fluff don't need such exploits in order to wreck people, but prefer to exploit anyway.
Comparing this to a bug that people might have been unknowingly exploiting since 1.3 shows how much you are missing the point.
See, it's just a dissent in the definiton of a "good player" then - no one denies that Fluff would still do well without the exploits.
Can we now all be happy again?
DAGON - ALTADOON - CHIM - GHARTOK
The Covenant is broken. The Enemy has won...
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Nobody knows for sure though, since the exploiting is an integral part of how Fluff plays his Sorcerer. (And many, many Sorcerers with him, Fluff is far from alone.)Lava_Croft wrote: »People knowingly exploiting bugs to get an advantage over others are not good players. That's why it's so sad, because players like Fluff don't need such exploits in order to wreck people, but prefer to exploit anyway.
Comparing this to a bug that people might have been unknowingly exploiting since 1.3 shows how much you are missing the point.
See, it's just a dissent in the definiton of a "good player" then - no one denies that Fluff would still do well without the exploits.
Can we now all be happy again?
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✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
Nobody knows for sure though, since the exploiting is an integral part of how Fluff plays his Sorcerer. (And many, many Sorcerers with him, Fluff is far from alone.)Lava_Croft wrote: »People knowingly exploiting bugs to get an advantage over others are not good players. That's why it's so sad, because players like Fluff don't need such exploits in order to wreck people, but prefer to exploit anyway.
Comparing this to a bug that people might have been unknowingly exploiting since 1.3 shows how much you are missing the point.
See, it's just a dissent in the definiton of a "good player" then - no one denies that Fluff would still do well without the exploits.
Can we now all be happy again?
I know for sure, because we killed ADs together some times before he used them.DAGON - ALTADOON - CHIM - GHARTOK
The Covenant is broken. The Enemy has won...
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Can't argue with that!Lava_Croft wrote: »
Nobody knows for sure though, since the exploiting is an integral part of how Fluff plays his Sorcerer. (And many, many Sorcerers with him, Fluff is far from alone.)Lava_Croft wrote: »People knowingly exploiting bugs to get an advantage over others are not good players. That's why it's so sad, because players like Fluff don't need such exploits in order to wreck people, but prefer to exploit anyway.
Comparing this to a bug that people might have been unknowingly exploiting since 1.3 shows how much you are missing the point.
See, it's just a dissent in the definiton of a "good player" then - no one denies that Fluff would still do well without the exploits.
Can we now all be happy again?
I know for sure, because we killed ADs together some times before he used them. I guess he just turned into trash over time then.
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✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
Can't argue with that!Lava_Croft wrote: »
Nobody knows for sure though, since the exploiting is an integral part of how Fluff plays his Sorcerer. (And many, many Sorcerers with him, Fluff is far from alone.)Lava_Croft wrote: »People knowingly exploiting bugs to get an advantage over others are not good players. That's why it's so sad, because players like Fluff don't need such exploits in order to wreck people, but prefer to exploit anyway.
Comparing this to a bug that people might have been unknowingly exploiting since 1.3 shows how much you are missing the point.
See, it's just a dissent in the definiton of a "good player" then - no one denies that Fluff would still do well without the exploits.
Can we now all be happy again?
I know for sure, because we killed ADs together some times before he used them. I guess he just turned into trash over time then.
Exploit or no, Fluff has always been a strong player, with excellent knowledge about this game. The fact he uses bugs to his advantage only brings a quicker death to people who already didn't stand a chance vs him0 -
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In other words, a trash player. A non-trash player would not need nor use said exploits.Lava_Croft wrote: »
Can't argue with that!Lava_Croft wrote: »
Nobody knows for sure though, since the exploiting is an integral part of how Fluff plays his Sorcerer. (And many, many Sorcerers with him, Fluff is far from alone.)Lava_Croft wrote: »People knowingly exploiting bugs to get an advantage over others are not good players. That's why it's so sad, because players like Fluff don't need such exploits in order to wreck people, but prefer to exploit anyway.
Comparing this to a bug that people might have been unknowingly exploiting since 1.3 shows how much you are missing the point.
See, it's just a dissent in the definiton of a "good player" then - no one denies that Fluff would still do well without the exploits.
Can we now all be happy again?
I know for sure, because we killed ADs together some times before he used them. I guess he just turned into trash over time then.
Exploit or no, Fluff has always been a strong player, with excellent knowledge about this game. The fact he uses bugs to his advantage only brings a quicker death to people who already didn't stand a chance vs him
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✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
In other words, a trash player. A non-trash player would not need nor use said exploits.Lava_Croft wrote: »
Can't argue with that!Lava_Croft wrote: »
Nobody knows for sure though, since the exploiting is an integral part of how Fluff plays his Sorcerer. (And many, many Sorcerers with him, Fluff is far from alone.)Lava_Croft wrote: »People knowingly exploiting bugs to get an advantage over others are not good players. That's why it's so sad, because players like Fluff don't need such exploits in order to wreck people, but prefer to exploit anyway.
Comparing this to a bug that people might have been unknowingly exploiting since 1.3 shows how much you are missing the point.
See, it's just a dissent in the definiton of a "good player" then - no one denies that Fluff would still do well without the exploits.
Can we now all be happy again?
I know for sure, because we killed ADs together some times before he used them. I guess he just turned into trash over time then.
Exploit or no, Fluff has always been a strong player, with excellent knowledge about this game. The fact he uses bugs to his advantage only brings a quicker death to people who already didn't stand a chance vs him
A trash player who wins 90% of his duels playing each class. Yeaaaah no. Call him a d**k for exploiting if you want, but he's the furthest thing from a trash player. (unless we don't share the same definition for trash)Edited by Etaniel on August 7, 2015 3:28PM1 -
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Lance Armstrong might be one of the best pro cyclists ever, but because he was doped up to the max he is nothing but trash in the end.Lava_Croft wrote: »
In other words, a trash player. A non-trash player would not need nor use said exploits.Lava_Croft wrote: »
Can't argue with that!Lava_Croft wrote: »
Nobody knows for sure though, since the exploiting is an integral part of how Fluff plays his Sorcerer. (And many, many Sorcerers with him, Fluff is far from alone.)Lava_Croft wrote: »People knowingly exploiting bugs to get an advantage over others are not good players. That's why it's so sad, because players like Fluff don't need such exploits in order to wreck people, but prefer to exploit anyway.
Comparing this to a bug that people might have been unknowingly exploiting since 1.3 shows how much you are missing the point.
See, it's just a dissent in the definiton of a "good player" then - no one denies that Fluff would still do well without the exploits.
Can we now all be happy again?
I know for sure, because we killed ADs together some times before he used them. I guess he just turned into trash over time then.
Exploit or no, Fluff has always been a strong player, with excellent knowledge about this game. The fact he uses bugs to his advantage only brings a quicker death to people who already didn't stand a chance vs him
A trash player who wins 90% of his duels playing each class. Yeaaaah no. Call him a d**k for exploiting if you want, but he's the furthest thing from a trash player. (unless we don't share the same definitino for trash)
The same goes for players like Fluff.
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✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »People knowingly exploiting bugs to get an advantage over others are not good players. That's why it's so sad, because players like Fluff don't need such exploits in order to wreck people, but prefer to exploit anyway.
Comparing this to a bug that people might have been unknowingly exploiting since 1.3 shows how much you are missing the point.
*cough* concealed wpn spam
Lol so true ! xD
@Soulac Harness magicka only works good if you are magicka, if you are stamina, not as much
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What I was trying to imply was, that grinding 1000 CP is no exploit but still gives you a HUGE advantage over every other player. You don't need to be a good player if you have 1000 CP and your enemy has 200 CP. Even if you have "only" 150 CP more you still have a big advantage over an equally skilled player. Thats why there is no balance in this game.Lava_Croft wrote: »
Players like you are so completely deluded from being neck-deep into the game of exploiting bugs that you qualify exploiters as good players.
There is no balance in this game anyway since they introduced the Champion System.Lava_Croft wrote: »People knowingly exploiting bugs to get an advantage over others are not good players. That's why it's so sad, because players like Fluff don't need such exploits in order to wreck people, but prefer to exploit anyway.
Comparing this to a bug that people might have been unknowingly exploiting since 1.3 shows how much you are missing the point.
Fluff has probably way more CP than any of these guys. Still doesnt make him a bad player.
Good players don't need to purposefully and willfully exploit bugs in order to gain an advantage. Such players are trash. Trash that is allowed to exist because ZOS lacks the manpower, backbone or combination of the two to actually police their curated gaming experience.
Nearly the entire self-appointed upper echelon of this game's player base is nothing more than a festering pool of exploiters.
A good player is a good player. Using every way to make his character stronger even if not intended doesnt make someone a bad player. I am 100% sure that Fluff will beat almost all players in this game in a duel with same amount of CP and no exploits used. Thats why he is a good player.
Since ZOS obviously doesnt care about any balance whatsoever I personally dont care either.
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EP | AR 50 | Sanctosaurus | Mana NB
AD | AR 44 | rekt ya | Mana NB
AD | AR 41 | Sanct Thunderstorm | Mana Sorc
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AD | AR 29 | Captain Full Fist| Stam DK
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Juraigr✭✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
Can't argue with that!Lava_Croft wrote: »
Nobody knows for sure though, since the exploiting is an integral part of how Fluff plays his Sorcerer. (And many, many Sorcerers with him, Fluff is far from alone.)Lava_Croft wrote: »People knowingly exploiting bugs to get an advantage over others are not good players. That's why it's so sad, because players like Fluff don't need such exploits in order to wreck people, but prefer to exploit anyway.
Comparing this to a bug that people might have been unknowingly exploiting since 1.3 shows how much you are missing the point.
See, it's just a dissent in the definiton of a "good player" then - no one denies that Fluff would still do well without the exploits.
Can we now all be happy again?
I know for sure, because we killed ADs together some times before he used them. I guess he just turned into trash over time then.
Well fact is your pretty bad soo you crying, well just have to ask.....
EU Worst DK , Best DK Singapore and NA also known as 'Special Snowflake'
Jurra - V14 Dragonknight Rank 38 August Palatine
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LA DK Still OP :P
One of the Three Light Armor DK's
#200StandardOfMightFFS
#RevertAshCloud
#RevertNewAnimations
#RevertUltiGain
#FixMoltenWhip
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I live a few hundred meters from the sea.Lava_Croft wrote: »
Can't argue with that!Lava_Croft wrote: »
Nobody knows for sure though, since the exploiting is an integral part of how Fluff plays his Sorcerer. (And many, many Sorcerers with him, Fluff is far from alone.)Lava_Croft wrote: »People knowingly exploiting bugs to get an advantage over others are not good players. That's why it's so sad, because players like Fluff don't need such exploits in order to wreck people, but prefer to exploit anyway.
Comparing this to a bug that people might have been unknowingly exploiting since 1.3 shows how much you are missing the point.
See, it's just a dissent in the definiton of a "good player" then - no one denies that Fluff would still do well without the exploits.
Can we now all be happy again?
I know for sure, because we killed ADs together some times before he used them. I guess he just turned into trash over time then.
Well fact is your pretty bad soo you crying, well just have to ask.....
Always moist, always salty.
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EvilEmpire✭✭✭It's a sad *** day for this game when people are defending a player who is openly exploiting.6
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✭✭✭✭EvilEmpire wrote: »It's a sad *** day for this game when people are defending a player who is openly exploiting.
Made even sadder by the complainers who are also exploiting (undodgeable concealed/whip, sharpened mace etc etc).
My take on the whole debacle:You're either the butcher, or the meat.1 -
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Always the same ridiculously easy to counter argument from the exploiters. Here we go once again:
Made even sadder by the complainers who are also exploiting (undodgeable concealed/whip, sharpened mace etc etc).EvilEmpire wrote: »It's a sad *** day for this game when people are defending a player who is openly exploiting.
Nobody uses Concealed Weapon because it is bugged. People use Concealed Weapon because it's the only option available besides not morphing or a Stamina morph. Magicka DK has little choice besides his Magicka based whip/lash. I doubt anyone rerolled from Stamina to Magicka purely because they could exploit these abilities. The fact that every single remark about exploiting, no matter how grave, is answered by "but you use Concealed Weapon" shows how little arguments you can actually come up with to justify your cheating.
Crafting an armor set with the specific purpose of using it once to trigger an exploit and then never again is completely different. Both Nirnhoned armor, Sharpened maces and Dawnbreaker of Smiting are cases that can go either way. There's people who were already using it without/before realising it's bugged and people using it just because it's bugged. The latter is more the case than the former.
There is no excuse for things like triggering the dual Mundus exploit except "I want to cheat.".
Fighting fire with fire will only end up in a burned down house.My take on the whole debacle:
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✭✭Since I feel we lost track of what this thread is about, I will push it a bit to the right direction again:
FLUFF IS USING EXPLOITS OMG TRASH PLAYER PLEASE BAN ASAP- EU - Raid Leader of Banana Zerg Squad
AD | AR 50 | Sanct Fir'eheal | ex Mana DK @31.10.2015
EP | AR 50 | Sanctosaurus | Mana NB
AD | AR 44 | rekt ya | Mana NB
AD | AR 41 | Sanct Thunderstorm | Mana Sorc
EP | AR 36 | S'na'ct | Mana NB {NA}
AD | AR 29 | Captain Full Fist| Stam DK
AD | AR 29 | Sanct The Dark Phoenix| Stam Sorc
EP | AR 16 | Horny Sanct | Stam Warden
EP | AR 16 | Sánct Bánáná Sláyér | Mana DK
DC | AR 13 | ad worst faction eu | Stam Sorc
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Zachy_B✭✭✭So wait a second, you mean to tell me if I post cute kitten pictures I'll get a bunch of agree's and awesome's? I have to test this theory.
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✭✭So wait a second, you mean to tell me if I post cute kitten pictures I'll get a bunch of agree's and awesome's? I have to test this theory.
It wont work since you´re not a cat.R.I.P Dawnbreaker / Auriel´s Bow
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Careful, you don't have that hardened ward in your squshy light armor one mistake is all it takes to die from that wrecking blow, wrecking blow, wrecking blow..
edited my spelling ^^Edited by Master_Kas on August 11, 2015 6:17PMEU | PC0 -
Raizin✭✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
Can't argue with that!Lava_Croft wrote: »
Nobody knows for sure though, since the exploiting is an integral part of how Fluff plays his Sorcerer. (And many, many Sorcerers with him, Fluff is far from alone.)Lava_Croft wrote: »People knowingly exploiting bugs to get an advantage over others are not good players. That's why it's so sad, because players like Fluff don't need such exploits in order to wreck people, but prefer to exploit anyway.
Comparing this to a bug that people might have been unknowingly exploiting since 1.3 shows how much you are missing the point.
See, it's just a dissent in the definiton of a "good player" then - no one denies that Fluff would still do well without the exploits.
Can we now all be happy again?
I know for sure, because we killed ADs together some times before he used them. I guess he just turned into trash over time then.
Exploit or no, Fluff has always been a strong player, with excellent knowledge about this game. The fact he uses bugs to his advantage only brings a quicker death to people who already didn't stand a chance vs him
u need knowledge about this game to play this game? lols...
Edited by Raizin on August 11, 2015 11:19PMHellSeesYou = v16/AD/Rank 37-Former emp/EU TB-AZura(Old Auriels Bow badass) ___ Vampire Templar/Resto/Destro staff user from Banana squad
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