ESO 1v1 Dueling (Update 7)

Cyrediath · August 2015

Hi,

There is a thing bothering me for so long. I'm talikng about duels in cyrodiil. I play stamina nightblade and I really enjoy playing it! But there is a problem when dueling against Sorcerers.

When I have magicka sorcerer enemy, he/she uses magicka detonation+curse+crystal frags (Procced) and mages wrath finisher (that will be buffed %50 more damage in update 7) How any class can handle this much damage I mean you can't reflect cure etc and you cant go offensive. You will die in 3-4 seconds no matter what happens. Curse+magicka detonations hits around 28-30k and crystal fragment (procced) hits 16-20k and finisher pops up abour 6-8k and it will be buffed %50 more. Also they have all insta cast (expect magicka detonation but still you cant block) What can you do against it? I dont say nerf sorcerer, nerf that skill etc I just dont have any idea how not to loose against sorcerer in 3 seconds. I really love doing duels and really enjoy playing nightblade but if you want to duel 1v1 you MUST be sorcerer as it seems. (and yes if you are ganking someone nightblade is good, in crowded areas dk is good etc etc I know I'm just talking about 1v1 duels.) What do you think? Has anyone have any idea about it?? I would like to hear all please!

Thanks

MrGrimey · August 2015

And this is why we can't have a dueling option in this game... I hate that I have to make a new character on a different faction just so I can duel my friends. But the consensus around here seems to be that if they added dueling, then a lot of threads like this will pop up.

This game isn't balanced for duels... Btw, nothing is getting buffed by 50% next update, infact damage is getting lowered. Check out the patch notes, there's a direct link on the top of every page

Dracane · August 2015

Why will Mage's Wrath be buffed by 50% ? They increased the damage of the execute by 10%, which isn't even a total 10% increase, because the initial bolt remains the same.

Just block these attacks and it won't harm you. Detonation is EASILY basheable, it's a 2second cast and if it's the other morph, keep distance and do your shadow thaaaang

or roll out before it explode timed with a CC maybe. I mean, this tactic is so predictable. Didn't know this actually harms people.

NBs are superior to Sorcs when it comes to duels, Nightblades are THE 1v1 class. But I agree, that Sorcs are annoying in a duel. Even though I eat them alive on my stamina Nightblade (not sure about Magicka)

Cyrediath · August 2015

Dracane wrote: »

Why will Mage's Wrath be buffed by 50% ? They increased the damage of the execute by 10%, which isn't even a total 10% increase, because the initial bolt remains the same.

Just block these attacks and it won't harm you. Detonation is EASILY basheable, it's a 2second cast and if it's the other morph, keep distance and do your shadow thaaaang or roll out before it explode timed with a CC maybe. I mean, this tactic is so predictable. Didn't know this actually harms people.

NBs are superior to Sorcs when it comes to duels, Nightblades are THE 1v1 class. But I agree, that Sorcs are annoying in a duel. Even though I eat them alive on my stamina Nightblade (not sure about Magicka)

Thanks for the encouraging comment

I'm also stamina nightblade with dual wield and bow. And you are right mage's wrath will be buffed %10. I wrote that by reading early tweak notes. As far as I know you cant block curse etc and also you can't reflect them. But are you sure rolling before it explodes saves you from damage? Even 1 crystal frag with mage's wrath can kill me. Procced crystal frag hits around 18-20 k and my hp is 18k right now. if you add curse damage on it (which is around 8-10k minimum and insta and cant be reflected, blocked etc) it can easily kill you. And if you go offensive and reduce it healt around %10-20 he/she will teleport out and stack shields again. I tested, my nb finishers (killer's blade) can't hit more than ward's healing when sorcerer has less then %25 healt. I really want to see a good stamina nightblade against a good sorcerer. I dont think any "equall skilled stamina nb player" can kill an "equal" skilled sorcerer. Am I wrong? If I'm wrong, which ways?

Thanks

Dracane · August 2015

Cyrediath wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Why will Mage's Wrath be buffed by 50% ? They increased the damage of the execute by 10%, which isn't even a total 10% increase, because the initial bolt remains the same.

Just block these attacks and it won't harm you. Detonation is EASILY basheable, it's a 2second cast and if it's the other morph, keep distance and do your shadow thaaaang or roll out before it explode timed with a CC maybe. I mean, this tactic is so predictable. Didn't know this actually harms people.

NBs are superior to Sorcs when it comes to duels, Nightblades are THE 1v1 class. But I agree, that Sorcs are annoying in a duel. Even though I eat them alive on my stamina Nightblade (not sure about Magicka)

Thanks for the encouraging comment I'm also stamina nightblade with dual wield and bow. And you are right mage's wrath will be buffed %10. I wrote that by reading early tweak notes. As far as I know you cant block curse etc and also you can't reflect them. But are you sure rolling before it explodes saves you from damage? Even 1 crystal frag with mage's wrath can kill me. Procced crystal frag hits around 18-20 k and my hp is 18k right now. if you add curse damage on it (which is around 8-10k minimum and insta and cant be reflected, blocked etc) it can easily kill you. And if you go offensive and reduce it healt around %10-20 he/she will teleport out and stack shields again. I tested, my nb finishers (killer's blade) can't hit more than ward's healing when sorcerer has less then %25 healt. I really want to see a good stamina nightblade against a good sorcerer. I dont think any "equall skilled stamina nb player" can kill an "equal" skilled sorcerer. Am I wrong? If I'm wrong, which ways?

Thanks

I wish Daedric Curse would ignore blocks. It used to be unblockable....
But all Sorcs cried about daedric curse not stacking with other curses, so they made it stackable but made it blockable.... great. I want my old curse back

was the only offensive Sorc skill you could rely on.

The thing as a Nightblade is, do what you're best at: Killing people. Play offensive and put presure on them. Don't even let them escape. They dare blinking ? Instantly cap close and do your thing, have no mercy and they won't have a chance. Nightblade who roll around and run away all the time won't be the victors. They are weak and don't deserve to win.

You must play offensive, draining their stamina and don't give them time to counter. If you're a slow player, then this class is not a class for you .Sorcerer and Nightblades are classes that require fast reaction. If you're slow, play Templar and Dragonknight, because you can do more mistakes and won't necessarily die from them.

GreenSoup2HoT · August 2015

Stamina Nightblade's went from being amazing to literal garbage in Pts.

The dodge roll nerf make's stamina nightblade's resource pool turn to nothing in 4 roll's. It's so stupid.

I don't even know what to say. If this dodge roll stick's im quitting Eso.

I picked Stamina Nightblade for a reason. To be an elusive pest. Something people would be frustrated to dual against because i can dodge so often.

Now that dodge roll is terrible, all that is left is to spam snipe from a distance and hope you get the kill.. because if you don't.. you won't have the resource to roll or do anything and it's gg.

My only defense against a Sorc was to roll.. now they can just 2 shot me.

lolzbuckets · August 2015

While I agree with you, @GreenSoup2HoT , in that I hope that dodge roll change doesn't make it to public unchanged, I also have to agree with @Dracane here. Stamblade vs Sorcerer, your best defense is a good offense. If you keep up the pressure and keep them immobilized and interrupted, you win.

lolzbuckets · August 2015

Or you can do what I do: blast The Ride of the Valkyries at full volume and charge in screaming, hoping you remember what the things you want to interrupt look like in time to interrupt them, and laugh your way back to the castle in a long, rousing round of Horse Simulator.

Saying that the best defense is a good offense is great in theory, but...practice and a good soundtrack help too. xD

Reeko · August 2015

If only Nightblades had some sort of silence ability. Like the Rogues "Kick" in WoW. Man i loved that move!

Cyrediath · August 2015

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Stamina Nightblade's went from being amazing to literal garbage in Pts.

The dodge roll nerf make's stamina nightblade's resource pool turn to nothing in 4 roll's. It's so stupid.

I don't even know what to say. If this dodge roll stick's im quitting Eso.

I picked Stamina Nightblade for a reason. To be an elusive pest. Something people would be frustrated to dual against because i can dodge so often.

Now that dodge roll is terrible, all that is left is to spam snipe from a distance and hope you get the kill.. because if you don't.. you won't have the resource to roll or do anything and it's gg.

My only defense against a Sorc was to roll.. now they can just 2 shot me.

I totally agree. I dont see any possibility for stamina nightblade to beat a sorcerer in a duel if sorcerer isn't really bad player. Even if you put pressure on them, their shield stacking is superior. I mean sorcerers can stack around 35-50k shield and healing. How can you beat it? Evet if you beat(without cc its impossible), he/she will restack it and will kill you eventually..

nilldax · August 2015

Like said above best defence is best offence. Try to surprice 'em, use beloved Fear or Incapacitating Strike if he "melts" your HP, try to lure him at max range with Focus Aim skill - if gets to close use cloak... From all of possible tactics you can skip frequent dodge roll but... cloak skill gives (or should at least) give you "evasion" for couple of seconds. Another option of defence is (personally not tested on PTS) 5 pieces of 'eavy armor made mostly for ST regen bonuses with reinforced/nirnhoned, jewellery glyphs with ST cost reduction and trying to block more often skill like Curse or Crystals - damage reduction given by Battle Spirit (50%) and by blocking with duals (propably next 50%).

Dont forget 'bout recently reported bugs/exploits with set bonuses, spell resist penetration or shield stacking - without those NBs life would be easier.

Dracane · August 2015

Cyrediath wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Stamina Nightblade's went from being amazing to literal garbage in Pts.

The dodge roll nerf make's stamina nightblade's resource pool turn to nothing in 4 roll's. It's so stupid.

I don't even know what to say. If this dodge roll stick's im quitting Eso.

I picked Stamina Nightblade for a reason. To be an elusive pest. Something people would be frustrated to dual against because i can dodge so often.

Now that dodge roll is terrible, all that is left is to spam snipe from a distance and hope you get the kill.. because if you don't.. you won't have the resource to roll or do anything and it's gg.

My only defense against a Sorc was to roll.. now they can just 2 shot me.

I totally agree. I dont see any possibility for stamina nightblade to beat a sorcerer in a duel if sorcerer isn't really bad player. Even if you put pressure on them, their shield stacking is superior. I mean sorcerers can stack around 35-50k shield and healing. How can you beat it? Evet if you beat(without cc its impossible), he/she will restack it and will kill you eventually..

omg so much wrong information honey.
The average Sorcerer will have 11-15k shield against Stamina Nightblades. Only hardened ward, because Harness Magicka does not work against Physical damage. When you get him low on health and fail to to kill, he will pop Healing Ward Which lasts 6 seconds and will be gone after that. Even IF he stacks Hardened Ward and Healing Ward all the time (no Sorc will do that) Healing Ward is basically non existing on full health and this will be extremely expensive, he will run out ressources too fast.

So all you have to, is hit His Ward 1 or 2 times, so that it is almost about to break, then CC and all you have to do is depleading 15-20k health. Which is done after 2 hits. It is soooo easy to kill a Sorcerer for a Stamina NB, Stamina NB are the counter to Sorcs basically

You only need to time it a liddle liddle bit and bam. Come on, everyone is capable to do that.

Cyrediath · August 2015

Dracane wrote: »

Cyrediath wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Stamina Nightblade's went from being amazing to literal garbage in Pts.

The dodge roll nerf make's stamina nightblade's resource pool turn to nothing in 4 roll's. It's so stupid.

I don't even know what to say. If this dodge roll stick's im quitting Eso.

I picked Stamina Nightblade for a reason. To be an elusive pest. Something people would be frustrated to dual against because i can dodge so often.

Now that dodge roll is terrible, all that is left is to spam snipe from a distance and hope you get the kill.. because if you don't.. you won't have the resource to roll or do anything and it's gg.

My only defense against a Sorc was to roll.. now they can just 2 shot me.

I totally agree. I dont see any possibility for stamina nightblade to beat a sorcerer in a duel if sorcerer isn't really bad player. Even if you put pressure on them, their shield stacking is superior. I mean sorcerers can stack around 35-50k shield and healing. How can you beat it? Evet if you beat(without cc its impossible), he/she will restack it and will kill you eventually..

omg so much wrong information honey.
The average Sorcerer will have 11-15k shield against Stamina Nightblades. Only hardened ward, because Harness Magicka does not work against Physical damage. When you get him low on health and fail to to kill, he will pop Healing Ward Which lasts 6 seconds and will be gone after that. Even IF he stacks Hardened Ward and Healing Ward all the time (no Sorc will do that) Healing Ward is basically non existing on full health and this will be extremely expensive, he will run out ressources too fast.

So all you have to, is hit His Ward 1 or 2 times, so that it is almost about to break, then CC and all you have to do is depleading 15-20k health. Which is done after 2 hits. It is soooo easy to kill a Sorcerer for a Stamina NB, Stamina NB are the counter to Sorcs basically You only need to time it a liddle liddle bit and bam. Come on, everyone is capable to do that.

There are some videos on youtube that sorcerer casting shield everytime around %2-3 hp and nightblade using finisher(%300 damage buff one from assassination) and shield>nightblade finisher. There is no way to kill a sorcerer if he/she doesn't go offensive from full defence but nightblade doesn't have that option to take that much damage. I dont agree with you " It is soooo easy to kill a Sorcerer for a Stamina NB" here. Sorcerer will pop deadric mine field and will stack his/her shields and will wait in there.you can use snipe if you have bow and sorcerer will restact shields and if you jump on them you are %99 dead. Mine+curse+detonation+crystal frag+mage's wrath you probably die. you can't block %100 of the time. curse+detonation will hit you eventually or even 1 frag and you are dead.

Zsymon · August 2015

ESO PvP has never been about dueling, it simply doesn't matter at all if there is class imbalance in dueling.

Every class has a theme, some classes are good at something and other classes are good at something else, if you think Sorcerers have an advantage in duels, and you want to play duels, then roll a Sorcerer. They can't balance around dueling in a game where there is not meant to be dueling.

A duel will only ever be fair when both opponents have the exact same tools, i.e. are of the same class. Because you can't make every class the same, as then there is no point in having classes.

On another note, you can't blame every loss you have on your opponent's class, there are plenty of NBs who have no trouble killing Sorcerers. Maybe that player was just better than you? So if you don't want your ego to be bruised, don't play duels. There will always be someone better than you.

Dracane · August 2015

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Cyrediath wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Cyrediath wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Stamina Nightblade's went from being amazing to literal garbage in Pts.

The dodge roll nerf make's stamina nightblade's resource pool turn to nothing in 4 roll's. It's so stupid.

I don't even know what to say. If this dodge roll stick's im quitting Eso.

I picked Stamina Nightblade for a reason. To be an elusive pest. Something people would be frustrated to dual against because i can dodge so often.

Now that dodge roll is terrible, all that is left is to spam snipe from a distance and hope you get the kill.. because if you don't.. you won't have the resource to roll or do anything and it's gg.

My only defense against a Sorc was to roll.. now they can just 2 shot me.

I totally agree. I dont see any possibility for stamina nightblade to beat a sorcerer in a duel if sorcerer isn't really bad player. Even if you put pressure on them, their shield stacking is superior. I mean sorcerers can stack around 35-50k shield and healing. How can you beat it? Evet if you beat(without cc its impossible), he/she will restack it and will kill you eventually..

omg so much wrong information honey.
The average Sorcerer will have 11-15k shield against Stamina Nightblades. Only hardened ward, because Harness Magicka does not work against Physical damage. When you get him low on health and fail to to kill, he will pop Healing Ward Which lasts 6 seconds and will be gone after that. Even IF he stacks Hardened Ward and Healing Ward all the time (no Sorc will do that) Healing Ward is basically non existing on full health and this will be extremely expensive, he will run out ressources too fast.

So all you have to, is hit His Ward 1 or 2 times, so that it is almost about to break, then CC and all you have to do is depleading 15-20k health. Which is done after 2 hits. It is soooo easy to kill a Sorcerer for a Stamina NB, Stamina NB are the counter to Sorcs basically You only need to time it a liddle liddle bit and bam. Come on, everyone is capable to do that.

There are some videos on youtube that sorcerer casting shield everytime around %2-3 hp and nightblade using finisher(%300 damage buff one from assassination) and shield>nightblade finisher. There is no way to kill a sorcerer if he/she doesn't go offensive from full defence but nightblade doesn't have that option to take that much damage. I dont agree with you " It is soooo easy to kill a Sorcerer for a Stamina NB" here. Sorcerer will pop deadric mine field and will stack his/her shields and will wait in there.you can use snipe if you have bow and sorcerer will restact shields and if you jump on them you are %99 dead. Mine+curse+detonation+crystal frag+mage's wrath you probably die. you can't block %100 of the time. curse+detonation will hit you eventually or even 1 frag and you are dead.

Yea and that's why I told you time it ?
You cannot expect to simply burst someone down whenhe expects it. The surprise is everyones friend.
If you let the Sorcerer play offensive and give him the feeling to be in an advantage because he could destroy you fast, then this is good for you and this tactic works against everyone, EVERYONE.

Just lower his one shield abit and then CC him and destroy. However, depleading your enemies stamina could also help a lot when the Sorcerer turns out to be a bit more tanky. By simply CC him every 6 seconds. This way your ensure, he has no time to regenerate much stamina.

And btw, TESO is not about duelling. The balance is made for big pvp, not for 1v1.

Cyrediath · August 2015

Zsymon wrote: »

ESO PvP has never been about dueling, it simply doesn't matter at all if there is class imbalance in dueling.

Every class has a theme, some classes are good at something and other classes are good at something else, if you think Sorcerers have an advantage in duels, and you want to play duels, then roll a Sorcerer. They can't balance around dueling in a game where there is not meant to be dueling.

A duel will only ever be fair when both opponents have the exact same tools, i.e. are of the same class. Because you can't make every class the same, as then there is no point in having classes.

On another note, you can't blame every loss you have on your opponent's class, there are plenty of NBs who have no trouble killing Sorcerers. Maybe that player was just better than you? So if you don't want your ego to be bruised, don't play duels. There will always be someone better than you.

Yea maybe you can't make every class equal but you can tweak "class" skills so everyone can do builds for 1v1. Yes there are nightblades killing sorcerer. There would be even lvl 1 player killing v14 that doesn't proove anything at all. I don't blame anything or anyone I just feel that in 1v1, sorcerers seems really overpowered.

I'm just going to tell you this, after new update, can you imagine a stamina nightblade waiting 4 seconds to roll? Most sorcerers doesn't use 2 blinks in 4 second but rolling is totally different thing. Also blocking will be nerfed. No stamina regen. Can you imagine dueling as a nightblade? You can't roll, you can't block how can you defend yourself from sorcerers attack? How can you go aggresive on them??

Dracane · August 2015

Cyrediath wrote: »

Zsymon wrote: »

ESO PvP has never been about dueling, it simply doesn't matter at all if there is class imbalance in dueling.

Every class has a theme, some classes are good at something and other classes are good at something else, if you think Sorcerers have an advantage in duels, and you want to play duels, then roll a Sorcerer. They can't balance around dueling in a game where there is not meant to be dueling.

A duel will only ever be fair when both opponents have the exact same tools, i.e. are of the same class. Because you can't make every class the same, as then there is no point in having classes.

On another note, you can't blame every loss you have on your opponent's class, there are plenty of NBs who have no trouble killing Sorcerers. Maybe that player was just better than you? So if you don't want your ego to be bruised, don't play duels. There will always be someone better than you.

Yea maybe you can't make every class equal but you can tweak "class" skills so everyone can do builds for 1v1. Yes there are nightblades killing sorcerer. There would be even lvl 1 player killing v14 that doesn't proove anything at all. I don't blame anything or anyone I just feel that in 1v1, sorcerers seems really overpowered.

I'm just going to tell you this, after new update, can you imagine a stamina nightblade waiting 4 seconds to roll? Most sorcerers doesn't use 2 blinks in 4 second but rolling is totally different thing. Also blocking will be nerfed. No stamina regen. Can you imagine dueling as a nightblade? You can't roll, you can't block how can you defend yourself from sorcerers attack? How can you go aggresive on them??

Yes it does. It prooves, that you only need the right tactic and the know-how and you can 1v1 basically everyone.
Each build has a counter, so you can hardly kill everyone with the same tactic. Well, you may kill everyone. But it will be harder to kill some players while others are easier to kill.
It all depends on skill, experience and tactic.

If you don't have any of these, then I promise you, it will get better.

I used to cry about Dragonknights ALOT just like all other Sorcs and most caster in 1.5. But at one point, you'll learn to adapt and how to deal with it a bit easier. It's all about experience, believe me. You have to fail to learn in this game

VincentBlanquin · August 2015

Dracane wrote: »

Cyrediath wrote: »

Zsymon wrote: »

ESO PvP has never been about dueling, it simply doesn't matter at all if there is class imbalance in dueling.

Every class has a theme, some classes are good at something and other classes are good at something else, if you think Sorcerers have an advantage in duels, and you want to play duels, then roll a Sorcerer. They can't balance around dueling in a game where there is not meant to be dueling.

A duel will only ever be fair when both opponents have the exact same tools, i.e. are of the same class. Because you can't make every class the same, as then there is no point in having classes.

On another note, you can't blame every loss you have on your opponent's class, there are plenty of NBs who have no trouble killing Sorcerers. Maybe that player was just better than you? So if you don't want your ego to be bruised, don't play duels. There will always be someone better than you.

Yea maybe you can't make every class equal but you can tweak "class" skills so everyone can do builds for 1v1. Yes there are nightblades killing sorcerer. There would be even lvl 1 player killing v14 that doesn't proove anything at all. I don't blame anything or anyone I just feel that in 1v1, sorcerers seems really overpowered.

I'm just going to tell you this, after new update, can you imagine a stamina nightblade waiting 4 seconds to roll? Most sorcerers doesn't use 2 blinks in 4 second but rolling is totally different thing. Also blocking will be nerfed. No stamina regen. Can you imagine dueling as a nightblade? You can't roll, you can't block how can you defend yourself from sorcerers attack? How can you go aggresive on them??

Yes it does. It prooves, that you only need the right tactic and the know-how and you can 1v1 basically everyone.
Each build has a counter, so you can hardly kill everyone with the same tactic. Well, you may kill everyone. But it will be harder to kill some players while others are easier to kill.
It all depends on skill, experience and tactic.

If you don't have any of these, then I promise you, it will get better. I used to cry about Dragonknights ALOT just like all other Sorcs and most caster in 1.5. But at one point, you'll learn to adapt and how to deal with it a bit easier. It's all about experience, believe me. You have to fail to learn in this game

Dracane you thalmor jerk, how many of CPs you have?

Waffennacht · August 2015

You (OP) seem to over look a huge aspect of NB, stealth and invisibility. You can engage an enemy and disengage almost at will.

When I face a NB, i find when they just disappear there is a moment of advantage. You can run and regain environmental advantage, even disengage and re attack.

Im surprised when NB uses such abilities and doesn't flee when they are clearly losing. Ive counted myself lucky many times that the NB just ran behind me and not out of sight

Zsymon · August 2015

Cyrediath wrote: »

Yea maybe you can't make every class equal but you can tweak "class" skills so everyone can do builds for 1v1. Yes there are nightblades killing sorcerer. There would be even lvl 1 player killing v14 that doesn't proove anything at all. I don't blame anything or anyone I just feel that in 1v1, sorcerers seems really overpowered.

I'm just going to tell you this, after new update, can you imagine a stamina nightblade waiting 4 seconds to roll? Most sorcerers doesn't use 2 blinks in 4 second but rolling is totally different thing. Also blocking will be nerfed. No stamina regen. Can you imagine dueling as a nightblade? You can't roll, you can't block how can you defend yourself from sorcerers attack? How can you go aggresive on them??

My point was that it doesn't matter, 1vs1 class imbalance simply does not matter in ESO.

Nightblades have huge advantages over Sorcerers in terms of mobility, burst damage and stealth, Dragonknights are very tanky, and Templars make amazing healers. Every class brings something good to the group, and that's the only thing that matters.

If they put in arena dueling someday (if ever), then threads like this would make sense, but not until then. Right now dueling does not matter and ZOS cannot and should not take 1vs1 class balance into account.

Waffennacht · August 2015

Even if we did have one on one arena, it still wouldn't matter.

Not all sorcs are the same, and im sure NB does well against non sorcs, if anything it just means there is a meta game you gotta prep for

Cyrediath · August 2015

Dracane wrote: »

Cyrediath wrote: »

Zsymon wrote: »

ESO PvP has never been about dueling, it simply doesn't matter at all if there is class imbalance in dueling.

Every class has a theme, some classes are good at something and other classes are good at something else, if you think Sorcerers have an advantage in duels, and you want to play duels, then roll a Sorcerer. They can't balance around dueling in a game where there is not meant to be dueling.

A duel will only ever be fair when both opponents have the exact same tools, i.e. are of the same class. Because you can't make every class the same, as then there is no point in having classes.

On another note, you can't blame every loss you have on your opponent's class, there are plenty of NBs who have no trouble killing Sorcerers. Maybe that player was just better than you? So if you don't want your ego to be bruised, don't play duels. There will always be someone better than you.

Yea maybe you can't make every class equal but you can tweak "class" skills so everyone can do builds for 1v1. Yes there are nightblades killing sorcerer. There would be even lvl 1 player killing v14 that doesn't proove anything at all. I don't blame anything or anyone I just feel that in 1v1, sorcerers seems really overpowered.

I'm just going to tell you this, after new update, can you imagine a stamina nightblade waiting 4 seconds to roll? Most sorcerers doesn't use 2 blinks in 4 second but rolling is totally different thing. Also blocking will be nerfed. No stamina regen. Can you imagine dueling as a nightblade? You can't roll, you can't block how can you defend yourself from sorcerers attack? How can you go aggresive on them??

Yes it does. It prooves, that you only need the right tactic and the know-how and you can 1v1 basically everyone.
Each build has a counter, so you can hardly kill everyone with the same tactic. Well, you may kill everyone. But it will be harder to kill some players while others are easier to kill.
It all depends on skill, experience and tactic.

If you don't have any of these, then I promise you, it will get better. I used to cry about Dragonknights ALOT just like all other Sorcs and most caster in 1.5. But at one point, you'll learn to adapt and how to deal with it a bit easier. It's all about experience, believe me. You have to fail to learn in this game

Thanks for your reply

The point is I don't want to start all over again after I hit v14 and realize that sorcerers are way better than nightblades in 1v1 duels. I deleted like 6-7 characters lvl45-50-35 etc. I really like nightblade playstyle tho. if everyclass balanced I would play nightblade. But as far as I can see, sorcerers are better for 1v1 dueling. That's why I am asking you to hear it from really experienced players.

Dracane · August 2015

VincentBlanquin wrote: »

Dracane you thalmor jerk, how many of CPs you have?

173 at the moment, you human nuisance.

@Cyrediath Awww don't say that

you don't need to reroll. Nightblade is the master class

you only need some time and practice and then it will work just fine. There is a reason why the majority of Cyrodiil is filled with Nigthblades.

Cyrediath · August 2015

Dracane wrote: »

VincentBlanquin wrote: »

Dracane you thalmor jerk, how many of CPs you have?

173 at the moment, you human nuisance.

@Cyrediath Awww don't say that you don't need to reroll. Nightblade is the master class you only need some time and practice and then it will work just fine. There is a reason why the majority of Cyrodiil is filled with Nigthblades.

Ok than its really goot to hear that nightblades are not handicapped against sorcerers at the end game. So now I can play my nb and enjoy the game. Thanks a lot!