2H Set Bonuses
It seems unfair that 1H + Shield and Dual Wielding get an extra gear set bonus as compared with 2H weapons, bows, and staffs.
I think that for the purposes of set bonuses, weapons that fill both weapon slots should count as 2 items.
Thanks!
I think that for the purposes of set bonuses, weapons that fill both weapon slots should count as 2 items.
Thanks!
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asteldian✭✭✭✭It's a little thing called balance!
Balance with what exactly? DW offers you higher spell power, higher weapon power (I think) and an extra set slot. Also offers the best AOE skill in the game and soon a brutality buff. 2h, bow and staves should double up for set bonuses. The only advantage 2h weapons have is only needing one trait stone rather than 2, and that is only relevant for Nirn. Could easily make them cost 2 trait stones as I bet no one would complain about that if they got another set bonus.1 -
asteldian✭✭✭✭Do any games do this at all??
Not many games at least that I have played use set gear like this.
All MMOs I have played simply have stats on weapons (str, dex, crit, extra power) and in all cases a 2h pretty much gave double. Rift at one point did not do this and after much outcry they adjusted it.1 -
Forestd16b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Think the guy is refering to how you can have basicly 2 sets active using SnS or DW to 2H weapons cause SnS and DW that's 2 more slots for sets while 2H only count as 1 slot so some one can have 5 pieces of 1 set and 4 of a another or including jewelry/armor sets that can clearly be 2 sets active at once. Think that;s what he is refering to not that 2H get double traits or junk like that or not guy didn't make it that clear what he's talking about.1 -
Yes, I am referring to how for SnS and DW can have 5 items that together make up a set and also 4 other items that make up another set, ignoring jewelry.
For example, for SnS you can have 5 Hist Bark items and 4 Death's Wind items.
For all other weapons you have only 5 + 3, not 5 + 4 set items; as a result, one bonus stat is missing on them, giving an arbitrary privilege to SnS and DW.0 -
Mashille✭✭✭✭✭
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Two Handed is flat out better than Dual Wield for Stamina DPS at this point so listing all these things that Dual Wield had is quite pointless.House Baratheon: 'Ours Is The Fury'0 -
You don't balance the game in such an inexplicable random manner as unequal set bonuses.1
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✭✭How about your share Rally? 2H is op compared to dw/1h shield. At least we get a little advantage.PS4 NA DC1 -
asteldian✭✭✭✭@asteldian
Two Handed is flat out better than Dual Wield for Stamina DPS at this point so listing all these things that Dual Wield had is quite pointless.
For who? Best Templar stam DPS is DW, same with NB and pretty sure DK too. In pve DW is the weapon of choice for stam and magicka dps. Only those not chugging potions use 2h and even then it is often an off bar.
Now, PvP is a different matter, 2h is the weapon of choice thanks to its bursty damage.
But as mentioned, I personally look at it in terms of all 2hers so bows and staves too, I don't think a double set bonus is all that outrageous a concept.0 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
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Two Handed is flat out better than Dual Wield for Stamina DPS at this point so listing all these things that Dual Wield had is quite pointless.
For who? Best Templar stam DPS is DW, same with NB and pretty sure DK too. In pve DW is the weapon of choice for stam and magicka dps. Only those not chugging potions use 2h and even then it is often an off bar.
Now, PvP is a different matter, 2h is the weapon of choice thanks to its bursty damage.
But as mentioned, I personally look at it in terms of all 2hers so bows and staves too, I don't think a double set bonus is all that outrageous a concept.
Given the sheer number of 2handers I see in PvE content, including late game. I have to assume one of two things is true. Either no one but you knows how to play the game, or you don't know what you're talking about.2 -
whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭@asteldian
Two Handed is flat out better than Dual Wield for Stamina DPS at this point so listing all these things that Dual Wield had is quite pointless.
And it has a Stamina recovery increase passive when you kill something with it, and does huge Splash damage and don't get me started on the Power of Wrecking Blow and the survivability with Rally and Brawler, it is awesome for DPS.
My friend uses both bars 2H with Silver Shards for ranged (also so he can kill Vamps in PvP) and he does major damage.. I was being attacked and killed by a Dragonknight and he used Wrecking Blow from sneak behind her and one shotted her and then easily dispatched two more attacking him using abilities weaved with heavy attacks because of Splash damage.
But with Vigor being moved to Skill Rank 5 for AvA and Major Brutality added to Flying Blade in DW, this might be a game changer .. but with Battle spirit causing more damage decreases in PvP..maybe not..
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✭✭✭✭✭whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »@asteldian
Two Handed is flat out better than Dual Wield for Stamina DPS at this point so listing all these things that Dual Wield had is quite pointless.
And it has a Stamina recovery increase passive when you kill something with it, and does huge Splash damage and don't get me started on the Power of Wrecking Blow and the survivability with Rally and Brawler, it is awesome for DPS.
My friend uses both bars 2H with Silver Shards for ranged (also so he can kill Vamps in PvP) and he does major damage.. I was being attacked and killed by a Dragonknight and he used Wrecking Blow from sneak behind her and one shotted her and then easily dispatched two more attacking him using abilities weaved with heavy attacks because of Splash damage.
But with Vigor being moved to Skill Rank 5 for AvA and Major Brutality added to Flying Blade in DW, this might be a game changer .. but with Battle spirit causing more damage decreases in PvP..maybe not..
Stealth wrecking blows can hit for comical amounts of damage. In PvE without trying, 30k is common for me. I don't even know what a sharpened maul would do to a Dragon Knight.0 -
asteldian✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »@asteldian
Two Handed is flat out better than Dual Wield for Stamina DPS at this point so listing all these things that Dual Wield had is quite pointless.
For who? Best Templar stam DPS is DW, same with NB and pretty sure DK too. In pve DW is the weapon of choice for stam and magicka dps. Only those not chugging potions use 2h and even then it is often an off bar.
Now, PvP is a different matter, 2h is the weapon of choice thanks to its bursty damage.
But as mentioned, I personally look at it in terms of all 2hers so bows and staves too, I don't think a double set bonus is all that outrageous a concept.
Given the sheer number of 2handers I see in PvE content, including late game. I have to assume one of two things is true. Either no one but you knows how to play the game, or you don't know what you're talking about.
Or you are using weak evidence to come to the wrong conclusion. The fact lots use 2h hardly means much - it is easy to use, fun to use and looks cool. For the masses that is enough reason to use it. Hell, I stated DW is superior, yet knowing this, if you see me in game you will see me rocking a 2h for a stamina build because I like it.
In pvp thanks to Rally and heavy hitting burst (and wrecking blow from stealth) 2h is a popular and superior choice. But for end game pve dps, DW will come out in front, certainly for a NB and Templar, I believe also for DK and I would expect for Sorc too (thouh who knows, they aren't exactly a great source for judging stamina dps)0 -
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✭✭@asteldian
Two Handed is flat out better than Dual Wield for Stamina DPS at this point so listing all these things that Dual Wield had is quite pointless.
not sure if trolling or serious
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✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »@asteldian
Two Handed is flat out better than Dual Wield for Stamina DPS at this point so listing all these things that Dual Wield had is quite pointless.
For who? Best Templar stam DPS is DW, same with NB and pretty sure DK too. In pve DW is the weapon of choice for stam and magicka dps. Only those not chugging potions use 2h and even then it is often an off bar.
Now, PvP is a different matter, 2h is the weapon of choice thanks to its bursty damage.
But as mentioned, I personally look at it in terms of all 2hers so bows and staves too, I don't think a double set bonus is all that outrageous a concept.
Given the sheer number of 2handers I see in PvE content, including late game. I have to assume one of two things is true. Either no one but you knows how to play the game, or you don't know what you're talking about.
Or you are using weak evidence to come to the wrong conclusion. The fact lots use 2h hardly means much - it is easy to use, fun to use and looks cool. For the masses that is enough reason to use it. Hell, I stated DW is superior, yet knowing this, if you see me in game you will see me rocking a 2h for a stamina build because I like it.
In pvp thanks to Rally and heavy hitting burst (and wrecking blow from stealth) 2h is a popular and superior choice. But for end game pve dps, DW will come out in front, certainly for a NB and Templar, I believe also for DK and I would expect for Sorc too (thouh who knows, they aren't exactly a great source for judging stamina dps)
I'd think, "can I use this weapon without being bored to tears" would be a legitimate metric...
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asteldian✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »@asteldian
Two Handed is flat out better than Dual Wield for Stamina DPS at this point so listing all these things that Dual Wield had is quite pointless.
For who? Best Templar stam DPS is DW, same with NB and pretty sure DK too. In pve DW is the weapon of choice for stam and magicka dps. Only those not chugging potions use 2h and even then it is often an off bar.
Now, PvP is a different matter, 2h is the weapon of choice thanks to its bursty damage.
But as mentioned, I personally look at it in terms of all 2hers so bows and staves too, I don't think a double set bonus is all that outrageous a concept.
Given the sheer number of 2handers I see in PvE content, including late game. I have to assume one of two things is true. Either no one but you knows how to play the game, or you don't know what you're talking about.
Or you are using weak evidence to come to the wrong conclusion. The fact lots use 2h hardly means much - it is easy to use, fun to use and looks cool. For the masses that is enough reason to use it. Hell, I stated DW is superior, yet knowing this, if you see me in game you will see me rocking a 2h for a stamina build because I like it.
In pvp thanks to Rally and heavy hitting burst (and wrecking blow from stealth) 2h is a popular and superior choice. But for end game pve dps, DW will come out in front, certainly for a NB and Templar, I believe also for DK and I would expect for Sorc too (thouh who knows, they aren't exactly a great source for judging stamina dps)
I'd think, "can I use this weapon without being bored to tears" would be a legitimate metric...
Lol, well I certainly feel it is an important factor - do I enjoy it and can I do high end dps with it even if not the absolute best.
While that seems a good enough criteria to justify weapon usage, however, in terms of balance and the idea of having weapons that take both weapon slots count as 2 piece for set bonus, it is not so much a relevant criteria
In the current meta for pve DW is superior damage wise along with giving an extra set bonus to widen the gap further, and of course magicka users don't even have a magicka based weapon selection that would give them an extra set bonus. So, I do think the question of why can't 2h weapons (all of them) count as a double set bonus is a fair one and I don't think balance is a justifiable reason against it.
Of course, PvP makes it a little trickier as the actual 2h line is powerful, but that is mainly thanks to Rally being far more useful thanks to its heal.Edited by asteldian on August 11, 2015 1:17PM0 -
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J2JMC✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »@asteldian
Two Handed is flat out better than Dual Wield for Stamina DPS at this point so listing all these things that Dual Wield had is quite pointless.
For who? Best Templar stam DPS is DW, same with NB and pretty sure DK too. In pve DW is the weapon of choice for stam and magicka dps. Only those not chugging potions use 2h and even then it is often an off bar.
Now, PvP is a different matter, 2h is the weapon of choice thanks to its bursty damage.
But as mentioned, I personally look at it in terms of all 2hers so bows and staves too, I don't think a double set bonus is all that outrageous a concept.
Given the sheer number of 2handers I see in PvE content, including late game. I have to assume one of two things is true. Either no one but you knows how to play the game, or you don't know what you're talking about.
Or you are using weak evidence to come to the wrong conclusion. The fact lots use 2h hardly means much - it is easy to use, fun to use and looks cool. For the masses that is enough reason to use it. Hell, I stated DW is superior, yet knowing this, if you see me in game you will see me rocking a 2h for a stamina build because I like it.
In pvp thanks to Rally and heavy hitting burst (and wrecking blow from stealth) 2h is a popular and superior choice. But for end game pve dps, DW will come out in front, certainly for a NB and Templar, I believe also for DK and I would expect for Sorc too (thouh who knows, they aren't exactly a great source for judging stamina dps)
I'd think, "can I use this weapon without being bored to tears" would be a legitimate metric...
Lol, well I certainly feel it is an important factor - do I enjoy it and can I do high end dps with it even if not the absolute best.
While that seems a good enough criteria to justify weapon usage, however, in terms of balance and the idea of having weapons that take both weapon slots count as 2 piece for set bonus, it is not so much a relevant criteria
In the current meta for pve DW is superior damage wise along with giving an extra set bonus to widen the gap further, and of course magicka users don't even have a magicka based weapon selection that would give them an extra set bonus. So, I do think the question of why can't 2h weapons (all of them) count as a double set bonus is a fair one and I don't think balance is a justifiable reason against it.
Of course, PvP makes it a little trickier as the actual 2h line is powerful, but that is mainly thanks to Rally being far more useful thanks to its heal.
Balance is ALWAYS a viable reason to do or not do something. For example, since players can stack multiple unique buffs in this game, there is absolutely no reason why we can't have all mundus stones at one time except to maintain balance in the game. Though I will say, considering ZOS added in a system to buff every single aspect of a character in a game with no drawbacks, their position on what is and isn't balanced is rather hard to understand.Knee Jerk, L2P, Obtuse, Casual, Entitled, All The Best, unnecessary mention of CoD
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asteldian✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »@asteldian
Two Handed is flat out better than Dual Wield for Stamina DPS at this point so listing all these things that Dual Wield had is quite pointless.
For who? Best Templar stam DPS is DW, same with NB and pretty sure DK too. In pve DW is the weapon of choice for stam and magicka dps. Only those not chugging potions use 2h and even then it is often an off bar.
Now, PvP is a different matter, 2h is the weapon of choice thanks to its bursty damage.
But as mentioned, I personally look at it in terms of all 2hers so bows and staves too, I don't think a double set bonus is all that outrageous a concept.
Given the sheer number of 2handers I see in PvE content, including late game. I have to assume one of two things is true. Either no one but you knows how to play the game, or you don't know what you're talking about.
Or you are using weak evidence to come to the wrong conclusion. The fact lots use 2h hardly means much - it is easy to use, fun to use and looks cool. For the masses that is enough reason to use it. Hell, I stated DW is superior, yet knowing this, if you see me in game you will see me rocking a 2h for a stamina build because I like it.
In pvp thanks to Rally and heavy hitting burst (and wrecking blow from stealth) 2h is a popular and superior choice. But for end game pve dps, DW will come out in front, certainly for a NB and Templar, I believe also for DK and I would expect for Sorc too (thouh who knows, they aren't exactly a great source for judging stamina dps)
I'd think, "can I use this weapon without being bored to tears" would be a legitimate metric...
Lol, well I certainly feel it is an important factor - do I enjoy it and can I do high end dps with it even if not the absolute best.
While that seems a good enough criteria to justify weapon usage, however, in terms of balance and the idea of having weapons that take both weapon slots count as 2 piece for set bonus, it is not so much a relevant criteria
In the current meta for pve DW is superior damage wise along with giving an extra set bonus to widen the gap further, and of course magicka users don't even have a magicka based weapon selection that would give them an extra set bonus. So, I do think the question of why can't 2h weapons (all of them) count as a double set bonus is a fair one and I don't think balance is a justifiable reason against it.
Of course, PvP makes it a little trickier as the actual 2h line is powerful, but that is mainly thanks to Rally being far more useful thanks to its heal.
Balance is ALWAYS a viable reason to do or not do something. For example, since players can stack multiple unique buffs in this game, there is absolutely no reason why we can't have all mundus stones at one time except to maintain balance in the game. Though I will say, considering ZOS added in a system to buff every single aspect of a character in a game with no drawbacks, their position on what is and isn't balanced is rather hard to understand.
Balance is a good reason not to do stuff. But in this case balance is not much of an argument - DW is superior in damage over 2h options and has an extra slot for set bonus....so saying balance is why 2h weapons cannot count as 2 slots is a weak argument.0 -
Azurulia✭✭✭I've noticed the damage gap between dual wield and 2 handers myself. However I stick to dual wield with my nightblade simply because I find it fun.
I like carrying around 2 daggers and stabbing things. It has a nice feel to it, even if it doesn't do as much damage.Criminal Scum:
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Same here...a big 2 handed weapon just doesn't feel right for a nightblade, even the skill animations are suited for dual daggers.I've noticed the damage gap between dual wield and 2 handers myself. However I stick to dual wield with my nightblade simply because I find it fun.
I like carrying around 2 daggers and stabbing things. It has a nice feel to it, even if it doesn't do as much damage.
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