Nice video!

Oh i would just like to mention that in the video you accidently miss-spelled "Emperor" on the title at the start

#FearThePrincess

Nice video

#nerfsorcshields

#scrubemp

Fite me Asgari!

Edit: Justkiddingplsdon'thurtmewe'refriends!

Worst emp ever...what sort of build is that? Molten whip + flying blade ...lmao

kkravaritieb17_ESO wrote: »

Worst emp ever...what sort of build is that? Molten whip + flying blade ...lmao

That was flying blade !? I thought he was spamming entropy hoping to proc something non-existent.

Flying Blade is so much worse.

Oh, Asgari, yer still a scrub

kkravaritieb17_ESO wrote: »

Worst emp ever...what sort of build is that? Molten whip + flying blade ...lmao

Ohh I don't know perhaps it was an AoE grinding build? You know the kind with Steel Tornado, Bats and Flying blade to pull mobs that is distinctly not the kind of build you want to use against a sorc. I run something similar when grinding caves in Cyrodiil, dual wield is only going to kill baddies it is useless against a good sorc. I've been caught with my pants down similarly in caves and have butchered quite a few high ranking "named" players grinding in caves as well.

Never thought I'd think this but it's a sad day when DKs who used to have it easy against sorcs no longer have any tools in their arsenal to break through shields in today's meta. The only class right now with the damage required to break through a properly set up sorc's shield stack in a 1v1 is another sorc due to the Cyrodiil buff mechanics and champion scaling and those fights can end up being endless. Impossible to run a sorc out of magicka in 1.6 and Wings end up being a 1-1 global trade against a light attack-crushing shock combo. Even on my Nightblade the class I fear least right now is a DK, although good ones take forever to kill.

I don't see this changing much in 2.1 even with the heavy nerfs coming to shields because a Sorc faces no penalty for spamming shields and nothing is being done to make the cost of casting them significant. It will be easier to burst a Sorc in 2.1 so maybe that will be the best route but it will also be much harder defending against them with the nerf to dodge rolling and block as well.

Good play as always Asgari.

hammayolettuce wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

kkravaritieb17_ESO wrote: »

Worst emp ever...what sort of build is that? Molten whip + flying blade ...lmao

That was flying blade !? I thought he was spamming entropy hoping to proc something non-existent.

Flying Blade is so much worse.

Oh, Asgari, yer still a scrub

kkravaritieb17_ESO wrote: »

Worst emp ever...what sort of build is that? Molten whip + flying blade ...lmao

Asgari isn't sure what they were thinking.. The only thing he said was that with Emp stats having a mixed build is somewhat viable, but in all honesty that's pretty embarrassing for a perma block dk to lose like that with those resources and being a palatine at that.

Mah regardless of poor build choice on the DKs side, dk emperor really means nothing when facing a sorc.

Ezareth wrote: »

Never thought I'd think this but it's a sad day when DKs who used to have it easy against sorcs no longer have any tools in their arsenal to break through shields in today's meta.

To be specific, a magicka DK doesn't have the tools. Available damage options: Burning embers, Engulfing flames, Whip. Burst can come from heavy attacks and dragon leap combined with a petrify. Here's the real problem: in order to survive the Sorc's damage output a DK must perma-block. In order to perma-block you must wear heavy or run cost-reduction jewelry enchants. Either way you give up spell damage. Hence a dilemma.

In order to get into damage range against the sorc I have to eat mines + velocious + CF + CS. Which is WAY more than enough dmg to kill me without blocking.

OK so now I've petrified the Sorc and gotten a good combo off. Great! He breaks free and then streaks, recasts his shields, and continues offense. But the DK has no gap closer! If I burn stam on invasion, then I'm sacrificing my blocking and break-free pool.

Ezareth wrote: »

The only class right now with the damage required to break through a properly set up sorc's shield stack in a 1v1 is another sorc due to the Cyrodiil buff mechanics and champion scaling and those fights can end up being endless.

Don't agree one bit. Stam spec into full damage can burst you down. However you sacrifice any sort of survivability -- which the Sorc has not sacrificed AT ALL.

Ezareth wrote: »

Impossible to run a sorc out of magicka in 1.6

Yeah, harness magicka is still OP. But, regen rates are absurd anyway.

Ezareth wrote: »

and Wings end up being a 1-1 global trade against a light attack-crushing shock combo.

Yes this is because noobs suicided themselves against wings for months and cried everyday on the forums. As a side note, there are still projectiles that go through wings. I'll make a video at some point.

Ezareth wrote: »

Even on my Nightblade the class I fear least right now is a DK, although good ones take forever to kill.

The DK <-> NB matchup is much better for the DK than the sorc.

Ezareth wrote: »

I don't see this changing much in 2.1 even with the heavy nerfs coming to shields because a Sorc faces no penalty for spamming shields and nothing is being done to make the cost of casting them significant.

Nope, I don't think much will change. The sorc combo is still absolutely killer. DK has no burst to get through shields. However, DKs will get to return to light armor so that will help some. The problem is that sorcs can stack everything into mana which gives both defense AND offense.

Ezareth wrote: »

It will be easier to burst a Sorc in 2.1 so maybe that will be the best route but it will also be much harder defending against them with the nerf to dodge rolling and block as well.

Early prediction is that Sorc remains king of 1.7

Ezareth wrote: »

Good play as always Asgari.

Absolutely, great play!

Always enjoy your vids asgari. tell him to keep me coming, 2.1 or not

hammayolettuce wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

So from this I take away more proof that sorcs shields are OP?

Darnathian wrote: »

The better question would be could you kill a sorc emp with your dk Asgari? No you could not

Let me help you here...

1. Sorcs have 1 shield ... not shields
2. Ariana Kishi could in fact kill a sorc emp

Because of the hardened ward reliance and the scaling growth due to the +33% bonus that no other class has on their shields a sorc can focus exclusively on min/maxing their shields to the exclusion of all other defenses. Damage doesn't scale as fast as these shields scale (Hardened, Dampen + Healing Ward) so as more CPs are available the sorc becomes disproportionately more powerful than any other class in the current meta.

No chance he could kill a sorc emp on his DK unless the sorc was just garbage or some serious lag/luck. The shield stack of a good Sorc alone is impossible to burst 1 v 1s. Even when german killed that Sorc emp twice, both times he simply forgot to refresh his shields and died for it. Hell non-emp shield stacks on a properly set up sorc right now are just not going to be burst. I know 3 or 4 sorcs right now who eat 3 back to back wrecking blows of mine with 2800 weapon power on a single hardened ward. They're all using mundus exploit but even so it takes 2 back to back wrecking blows to eat through that on a non-exploiting max bastion/magicka sorc because of the immunity to crit.

Ishammael wrote: »

To be specific, a magicka DK doesn't have the tools. Available damage options: Burning embers, Engulfing flames, Whip. Burst can come from heavy attacks and dragon leap combined with a petrify. Here's the real problem: in order to survive the Sorc's damage output a DK must perma-block. In order to perma-block you must wear heavy or run cost-reduction jewelry enchants. Either way you give up spell damage. Hence a dilemma.

In order to get into damage range against the sorc I have to eat mines + velocious + CF + CS. Which is WAY more than enough dmg to kill me without blocking.

OK so now I've petrified the Sorc and gotten a good combo off. Great! He breaks free and then streaks, recasts his shields, and continues offense. But the DK has no gap closer! If I burn stam on invasion, then I'm sacrificing my blocking and break-free pool.

Don't agree one bit. Stam spec into full damage can burst you down. However you sacrifice any sort of survivability -- which the Sorc has not sacrificed AT ALL.

Yeah, harness magicka is still OP. But, regen rates are absurd anyway.

Yes this is because noobs suicided themselves against wings for months and cried everyday on the forums. As a side note, there are still projectiles that go through wings. I'll make a video at some point.

The DK <-> NB matchup is much better for the DK than the sorc.

Nope, I don't think much will change. The sorc combo is still absolutely killer. DK has no burst to get through shields. However, DKs will get to return to light armor so that will help some. The problem is that sorcs can stack everything into mana which gives both defense AND offense.

Early prediction is that Sorc remains king of 1.7

Absolutely, great play!

I don't see a Stamina DK doing any better to be honest. My nightblade has zero chance to kill several sorcs out there as well and a DK isn't going to have an easier job of it. I kill 85% of the sorcs out there fine, but they haven't completely copied the build and playstyle of the other sorcs yet. Granted a sorc has almost no chance to kill me 1 v 1 unless I go all out offense on him but that's the real dilemma fighting sorcs as a melee class right now. They can stand in their mines and attack you with impunity and you have to use a gap closer and eat several of those mines just to be able to attack. Sometimes you can dance around them and wrecking blow from outside the range or fear them out of the mines but usually you're just giving them time to keep regenning their stamina. And that's the real problem, with Tri-pots and enough CPs you literally have zero opportunity to drain a sorc of stamina. His shields mean he *never* has to block and *never* has to dodge roll so they only stamina expenditure he has is break free. He can recast shields faster than you can damage him and if he is skilled, he's never going to let his shield stack fall to the point where he is vulnerable.

Even if you eat his mines land a couple blows, he's goign to bolt once, recast his mines and refresh his shields forcing you to expose yourself again.

Yeah sorcs will remain king of 1 v 1s in 1.7(2.1) but I have a feeling they're going to go down easy against focused attack from several players. I think the jury is still out on which class will be the best IC fighter in the chaotic melee.

Ohh and Harness magicka is pretty useless...it's dampen magicka with the light armor multiplicative bonus (that counters the cyrodiil shield bonus) that is OP right now.

k1llorbek1lled wrote: »

aco5712 wrote: »

#nerfsorcshields

#scrubemp

yup

kkravaritieb17_ESO wrote: »

Worst emp ever...what sort of build is that? Molten whip + flying blade ...lmao

yup

hammayolettuce wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

So from this I take away more proof that sorcs shields are OP?

Darnathian wrote: »

The better question would be could you kill a sorc emp with your dk Asgari? No you could not

Let me help you here...

1. Sorcs have 1 shield ... not shields
2. Ariana Kishi could in fact kill a sorc emp

let me help you.. youre his fangirl, ofc you would say he'll win...

sorc class and shields making anyone look good now, not that the player isn't, just saying, the class is just dumb now... kinda like what people used to say about DKs in the summer of 2014 lol

You know for someone so informed you seem like you've had your jimmies rustled. You should probably look into getting that taken care of

Ezareth wrote: »

And that's the real problem, with Tri-pots and enough CPs you literally have zero opportunity to drain a sorc of stamina. His shields mean he *never* has to block and *never* has to dodge roll so they only stamina expenditure he has is break free. He can recast shields faster than you can damage him and if he is skilled, he's never going to let his shield stack fall to the point where he is vulnerable.

This is the critical issue that is driving everybody mad trying to fight magicka sorcs. For months and months we were told "don''t be stupid, you kill sorcs by attacking their stamina. L2P."

If a sorc is skilled in knowing when to use stamina, their stamina is not a vulnerability. Their only vulnerability is some combination of multiple players, extreme burst damage, and their own mistakes.

Nothing in 2.1, or in recent statements by devs indicates any fundamental change. (If anything, sorcs may have to "sacrifice" a skill slot for Boundless.) We will see if the upcoming series of incremental changes has any effect.

ToRelax wrote: »

Stikato wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

And that's the real problem, with Tri-pots and enough CPs you literally have zero opportunity to drain a sorc of stamina. His shields mean he *never* has to block and *never* has to dodge roll so they only stamina expenditure he has is break free. He can recast shields faster than you can damage him and if he is skilled, he's never going to let his shield stack fall to the point where he is vulnerable.

This is the critical issue that is driving everybody mad trying to fight magicka sorcs. For months and months we were told "don''t be stupid, you kill sorcs by attacking their stamina. L2P."

If a sorc is skilled in knowing when to use stamina, their stamina is not a vulnerability. Their only vulnerability is some combination of multiple players, extreme burst damage, and their own mistakes.

Nothing in 2.1, or in recent statements by devs indicates any fundamental change. (If anything, sorcs may have to "sacrifice" a skill slot for Boundless.) We will see if the upcoming series of incremental changes has any effect.

This is true, but it goes for any class... if people don't make major mistakes in a 1v1, it doesn't end since the beginning of 1.6, and 2.1 makes that even easier.

You're all right, i dueled a permablock DK with a permablock NB for 30+ minutes. We both got "close" to killing each other several times, but it was never going to happen with the amount of sustain, it could have gone on for hours. Certain builds for almost each class can result in 1v1's that literally will never end fairly.

But Sorc is on a different level of its own, that you simply cannot touch. It's not like a NB t'rolling around the floor, being annoying.

The people who truly get screwed over by those type of Sorcs, are the people not trying to abuse broken mechanics (game makes it hard not to abuse things though). Not abusing nirn, trying to be unique with their builds. Getting hit by 10K curses, and various other sustained damage while contemplating how to not melt by mines and dawnbreaker. They get told to L2P and stop being a scrub.