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Magicka NB's are everywhere....
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I started a new toon the other day and was astonished at all the new NB's running around with destro and resto staves. 9 out of 10 people I saw were running NB's. I guess this is in prep for IC since so many people think magicka NB is going to be the new god class. Frankly, I don't see it...
I have played magicka NB since beta, mostly healer in PVE, but I have always played a magicka melee type in PVP with duel wield/destro(or resto). While the general build (similar to those Sypher runs) has some nice features, I find it far from OP in 2.1!
Perma-Cloak - yes as a magicka NB, I can stealth forever, but it takes an entire bar to pull this off in 2.1:
- purge - needed to remove piercing mark to allow you to stealth
- concealed weapon - while this is your main damage spam, it is needed on your cloak bar for the speed boost
- dark cloak - because even though you just used purge, there may still be something on you that breaks your stealth
- double take (or cripple) - to get the max speed while stealth, otherwise cloak by itself is not a very good escape
- also you need to be vampire for the stealth speed buff
So that is 4 skills to maximize a magicka NB's ability to escape battle, and someone using magelight or detect pots completely negates your escape.
Aside from the escape, I find burst as a magicka NB useless in 2.1. With the damage reduction in pvp, plus the change to magelight not giving the might of the guild passive, we almost completely lose our ability to burst from stealth. Compound that also with the lower damage of proximity detonation, there is no more magicka NB ganking from stealth.
Now that gets PVP out of the way, lets talk PVE sustained dps. For a magicka NB, it is just not there. I have run magicka (and some stamina) DK's, templars, and sorcs that can all pull an average of 15-20K+ sustained single target dps. The most I have every seen from a magicka NB is 12-15K tops. I have seen 16K once with a flawless rotation from a breton NB. It just seems the damage skills aren't there (and this is with 3K spell damage, 38K magicka and valkyn skoria constant procs) for extremely high sustained. And the change to grim forcus isn't really going to help our dps much due to the need to reactivate the skill after you fire it costing valuable time from your rotation.
So with that said, I just don't see how magicka NB is going to be the new OP class in 2.1!
I have played magicka NB since beta, mostly healer in PVE, but I have always played a magicka melee type in PVP with duel wield/destro(or resto). While the general build (similar to those Sypher runs) has some nice features, I find it far from OP in 2.1!
Perma-Cloak - yes as a magicka NB, I can stealth forever, but it takes an entire bar to pull this off in 2.1:
- purge - needed to remove piercing mark to allow you to stealth
- concealed weapon - while this is your main damage spam, it is needed on your cloak bar for the speed boost
- dark cloak - because even though you just used purge, there may still be something on you that breaks your stealth
- double take (or cripple) - to get the max speed while stealth, otherwise cloak by itself is not a very good escape
- also you need to be vampire for the stealth speed buff
So that is 4 skills to maximize a magicka NB's ability to escape battle, and someone using magelight or detect pots completely negates your escape.
Aside from the escape, I find burst as a magicka NB useless in 2.1. With the damage reduction in pvp, plus the change to magelight not giving the might of the guild passive, we almost completely lose our ability to burst from stealth. Compound that also with the lower damage of proximity detonation, there is no more magicka NB ganking from stealth.
Now that gets PVP out of the way, lets talk PVE sustained dps. For a magicka NB, it is just not there. I have run magicka (and some stamina) DK's, templars, and sorcs that can all pull an average of 15-20K+ sustained single target dps. The most I have every seen from a magicka NB is 12-15K tops. I have seen 16K once with a flawless rotation from a breton NB. It just seems the damage skills aren't there (and this is with 3K spell damage, 38K magicka and valkyn skoria constant procs) for extremely high sustained. And the change to grim forcus isn't really going to help our dps much due to the need to reactivate the skill after you fire it costing valuable time from your rotation.
So with that said, I just don't see how magicka NB is going to be the new OP class in 2.1!
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Cor-Leonis
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gilbegger✭✭✭You wasted so muchenergy posting this...
just like i have in responding...now i am tired.0 -
Flameheart✭✭✭✭✭From a PvE view I don't see that too (I even see the stamina NB even more in front after the patch -> "Reduced the cost of class stamina abilities by 20% so they are equivalent to weapon abilities"), but nevertheless I play a magicka NB (and maybe a lot of others), because of a few simple facts:
-a stamina NB needs to get in melee range to deliver the dps and as it is more risky they get higher profit out of it
-a stamina melee NB is harder to play overall -> see "melee" and "risky" and add to that "front AoEs", "red circles" and "untanked adds"
-as a stamina NB you rely on your bow skills if a boss is very melee unfriendly and bow skills are....let's say not the highest dps ?
-the additional healing support of a magicka nightblade is something worth to discuss
-role switching from a magicka NB to a pure healing NB and back is super easy, if you won't tickle out the last 10% of dps by reallocating your CPs (even if you wanne do that, it's much less tedious and costs just around 3200 gold instead of over 12k for a full skill reset)
-I just love the magicka playstyle and dislike the stamina playstyle.Edited by Flameheart on August 10, 2015 3:07PMSometimes the prey turns and nips us... it's a small thing.
So let the snow flakes and unicorns dance alone until they melt or vanish from existence, we will finish up with those smart enough to stay in the glowing circle of love.
Selissi - CP 1k+ Redguard Stamina Nightblade (Ebonheart Pact)
Silmerel - CP 1k+ Breton Magicka Templar (Ebonheart Pact)
Sunja - CP 1k+ Dunmer Magicka Nightblade (Ebonheart Pact)
Suldreni - CP 1k+ Dunmer Magicka Dragonknight (Ebonheart Pact)
Sulhelka - CP 1k+ Altmer Magicka Sorcerer (Ebonheart Pact)
Sylundine - CP 1k+ Breton Magicka Warden (Ebonheart Pact)0 -
Avonna✭✭✭i play a magicka nightblade, and its kinda fun for a change to be so survivable in pve, plus bow always seems glitched for me.
i played it in pvp as well and even though i know the damage wasnt all it could be , i did feel i was able to support my other team mates with off heals , snares, slows, and just being a real pita for some people. and also i was able to kite and get away if need be .
i played dual weild /bow builds for a while and it just kinda got stale for me. pew pew pew is fun i like it , but the monsters always seem to charge at me anyways so why not be a bit more creative.
i play mine more as a sneaky mage with those shadows , cripple, funnel health , mage light , and my swap skill slot and its been really fun. i am vet 3 now and i dont have major issues as of yet.
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