Any reason why I should play a "pure" type of character?

a.skelton92 · August 2015

Hello all,

Basically, what I am asking is there actually any point or merit in playing a character such as a "pure archer" or "pure rogue"?

I really love the ESO system that allows for total freedom in class creation. However, as I said is there actually any point in playing one paricular skill set. I really like the idea of playing as an ARCHER not some wierd archer healer mage warrior vampire hybrid like you see around.

At the moment I play your typical assassin/ rogue archetypal character and it is great fun. Though, I made him with no intentions of being an archer; I have a full action bar spare (weapon swap) where I could just put all the archery skills anyway and still be a full archer with a click of a button. I can be both at the exact same time with no drawbacks it seems those that choose to be only an archer.

Would somone that chooses to be purely an archer have an advantage over me when I just decide; "right time to change to archer mode"?.. Because it seems like they should, it just feels wrong that I can weapon swap then be just as strong an archer as those that commit to that one class.

I would love to hear all your opinions!

Thank you!

GuyNamedSean · August 2015

You get to have two setups for your weapons and abilities for a reason.. It would be foolish to decide to do only one thing when you can have another setup that doesn't interfere with your main bar. You can assume everyone has a second setup and I've even seen some people (including myself) make usage of both bars simultaneously in combat. If you wanted to be a pure archer you could have a second setup to clear nearby enemies away and then go back to the bow. You basically get a main bar and a supporting bar if you like. There are so many different ways to do it. If that archer has a dedicated archery bar and then a bar dedicated to augmenting the archery bar, you won't be able to beat him out in archery. There are so many ways that you can mix the usage of the two bars that there's no real telling.

13igTyme · August 2015

I think the crazy hybrid combos are mainly for PVP. Where every little bit counts.

Darlgon · August 2015

a.skelton92 wrote: »

Hello all,

Basically, what I am asking is there actually any point or merit in playing a character such as a "pure archer" or "pure rogue"?

I really love the ESO system that allows for total freedom in class creation. However, as I said is there actually any point in playing one paricular skill set. I really like the idea of playing as an ARCHER not some wierd archer healer mage warrior vampire hybrid like you see around.

At the moment I play your typical assassin/ rogue archetypal character and it is great fun. Though, I made him with no intentions of being an archer; I have a full action bar spare (weapon swap) where I could just put all the archery skills anyway and still be a full archer with a click of a button. I can be both at the exact same time with no drawbacks it seems those that choose to be only an archer.

Would somone that chooses to be purely an archer have an advantage over me when I just decide; "right time to change to archer mode"?.. Because it seems like they should, it just feels wrong that I can weapon swap then be just as strong an archer as those that commit to that one class.

I would love to hear all your opinions!

Thank you!

Frankly? If a person has only one bar, with all archery skills, and nothing else (5 skills and one ulti) vs a person who has archery skills on one bar and say dual wield on the other, like say a real assassin who does not rely only on range weapons (10 skills and 2 ultis).... seriously? Do the math.....

Just make sure to focus on either Sta or Mag (or Health-sap tank). to get max bang for buck.

HOWEVER>.. I will say that a healer better have TWO resto staves with a bar for each.

chevalierknight · August 2015

Darlgon wrote: »

a.skelton92 wrote: »

Hello all,

Basically, what I am asking is there actually any point or merit in playing a character such as a "pure archer" or "pure rogue"?

I really love the ESO system that allows for total freedom in class creation. However, as I said is there actually any point in playing one paricular skill set. I really like the idea of playing as an ARCHER not some wierd archer healer mage warrior vampire hybrid like you see around.

At the moment I play your typical assassin/ rogue archetypal character and it is great fun. Though, I made him with no intentions of being an archer; I have a full action bar spare (weapon swap) where I could just put all the archery skills anyway and still be a full archer with a click of a button. I can be both at the exact same time with no drawbacks it seems those that choose to be only an archer.

Would somone that chooses to be purely an archer have an advantage over me when I just decide; "right time to change to archer mode"?.. Because it seems like they should, it just feels wrong that I can weapon swap then be just as strong an archer as those that commit to that one class.

I would love to hear all your opinions!

Thank you!

Frankly? If a person has only one bar, with all archery skills, and nothing else (5 skills and one ulti) vs a person who has archery skills on one bar and say dual wield on the other, like say a real assassin who does not rely only on range weapons (10 skills and 2 ultis).... seriously? Do the math.....

Just make sure to focus on either Sta or Mag (or Health-sap tank). to get max bang for buck.

HOWEVER>.. I will say that a healer better have TWO resto staves with a bar for each.

"real assassin" lol real assassins like in japan did only use bows there bow where 3 times bigger the a british long bow and the arrows as big as children

13igTyme · August 2015

chevalierknight wrote: »

Darlgon wrote: »

a.skelton92 wrote: »

Hello all,

Basically, what I am asking is there actually any point or merit in playing a character such as a "pure archer" or "pure rogue"?

I really love the ESO system that allows for total freedom in class creation. However, as I said is there actually any point in playing one paricular skill set. I really like the idea of playing as an ARCHER not some wierd archer healer mage warrior vampire hybrid like you see around.

At the moment I play your typical assassin/ rogue archetypal character and it is great fun. Though, I made him with no intentions of being an archer; I have a full action bar spare (weapon swap) where I could just put all the archery skills anyway and still be a full archer with a click of a button. I can be both at the exact same time with no drawbacks it seems those that choose to be only an archer.

Would somone that chooses to be purely an archer have an advantage over me when I just decide; "right time to change to archer mode"?.. Because it seems like they should, it just feels wrong that I can weapon swap then be just as strong an archer as those that commit to that one class.

I would love to hear all your opinions!

Thank you!

Frankly? If a person has only one bar, with all archery skills, and nothing else (5 skills and one ulti) vs a person who has archery skills on one bar and say dual wield on the other, like say a real assassin who does not rely only on range weapons (10 skills and 2 ultis).... seriously? Do the math.....

Just make sure to focus on either Sta or Mag (or Health-sap tank). to get max bang for buck.

HOWEVER>.. I will say that a healer better have TWO resto staves with a bar for each.

"real assassin" lol real assassins like in japan did only use bows there bow where 3 times bigger the a british long bow and the arrows as big as children

It reaches a point where a bow is too long and can no longer be used to the fullest. That's why, even in Japan, recurve bows replaced long bows.

Reeko · August 2015

A "real assassin" is one who can adapt to any situation in order to take down thier target. So limiting yourself to just one style of weapon would be a foolish decision.

But like others have said, you could always have two bows equiped. One for buffs and AoE and the other bar for single target dps.

leepalmer95 · August 2015

You could always use the same weapon on both bars and just switch skills, e.g Single on one bar, Aoe on the other with some survivability skills in there.

lolzbuckets · August 2015

That said, however, an example of a viable pure-archer build might be a bow bar for attacking and a two-handed bar for self-buffs to make your bow more bow-y.

Outside of PvP, where you want to have some versatility in your skill bar for the purpose of not getting wrecked by an entire archetype (e.g. pure melee will struggle tremendously against a well-balanced ranged character), there's not really any reason you can't focus on a pure-whatever build. The game makes it perfectly viable.

lifefrombelowb14_ESO · August 2015

13igTyme wrote: »

I think the crazy hybrid combos are mainly for PVP. Where every little bit counts.

I'm not gonna say they are absolutely terrible but a hybrid build would be at a disadvantage in PVP. Granted, with enough CPs, you can start to round it out and lessen those disadvantages. However, an important thing to keep in mind is that your max health, max magicka, and max stamina factor into how effective certain skills are and the amount of damage they produce. So spreading too much in making a hybrid basically leaves you with a PVP character that does a little bit of everything but nothing well. You'll pretty much be at the mercy of better builds that focus on a single method of attack (meaning magicka or stam based damage builds not one type of weapon).

13igTyme · August 2015

lifefrombelowb14_ESO wrote: »

13igTyme wrote: »

I think the crazy hybrid combos are mainly for PVP. Where every little bit counts.

I'm not gonna say they are absolutely terrible but a hybrid build would be at a disadvantage in PVP. Granted, with enough CPs, you can start to round it out and lessen those disadvantages. However, an important thing to keep in mind is that your max health, max magicka, and max stamina factor into how effective certain skills are and the amount of damage they produce. So spreading too much in making a hybrid basically leaves you with a PVP character that does a little bit of everything but nothing well. You'll pretty much be at the mercy of better builds that focus on a single method of attack (meaning magicka or stam based damage builds not one type of weapon).

I meant hybrid as in a Sword and shield/ Mage/ Healer/ DPS/ Tank/ Vampire. Not both Magicka and Stamina.

Reeko · August 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

You could always use the same weapon on both bars and just switch skills, e.g Single on one bar, Aoe on the other with some survivability skills in there.

Did i not already say that 6 hours before your post? Lol

lolzbuckets · August 2015

13igTyme wrote: »

chevalierknight wrote: »

Darlgon wrote: »

a.skelton92 wrote: »

Hello all,

Basically, what I am asking is there actually any point or merit in playing a character such as a "pure archer" or "pure rogue"?

I really love the ESO system that allows for total freedom in class creation. However, as I said is there actually any point in playing one paricular skill set. I really like the idea of playing as an ARCHER not some wierd archer healer mage warrior vampire hybrid like you see around.

At the moment I play your typical assassin/ rogue archetypal character and it is great fun. Though, I made him with no intentions of being an archer; I have a full action bar spare (weapon swap) where I could just put all the archery skills anyway and still be a full archer with a click of a button. I can be both at the exact same time with no drawbacks it seems those that choose to be only an archer.

Would somone that chooses to be purely an archer have an advantage over me when I just decide; "right time to change to archer mode"?.. Because it seems like they should, it just feels wrong that I can weapon swap then be just as strong an archer as those that commit to that one class.

I would love to hear all your opinions!

Thank you!

Frankly? If a person has only one bar, with all archery skills, and nothing else (5 skills and one ulti) vs a person who has archery skills on one bar and say dual wield on the other, like say a real assassin who does not rely only on range weapons (10 skills and 2 ultis).... seriously? Do the math.....

Just make sure to focus on either Sta or Mag (or Health-sap tank). to get max bang for buck.

HOWEVER>.. I will say that a healer better have TWO resto staves with a bar for each.

"real assassin" lol real assassins like in japan did only use bows there bow where 3 times bigger the a british long bow and the arrows as big as children

It reaches a point where a bow is too long and can no longer be used to the fullest. That's why, even in Japan, recurve bows replaced long bows.

Personally, I still vote the British longbow the best bow because of how absolutely ridiculous archers look drawing them. Since the British longbow is as tall as its user and intended to be drawn to the full length of your armspan, British longbowmen didn't so much draw the bow as cram themselves up inside it and shove the bits apart as hard as they could, and they didn't so much aim as Death From Above.