Gift of Magnus racial passive effects on dps

MrGrimey · August 2015

console player here, so I have no way of checking dps numbers... Can anyone tell me how much of a difference does the extra 10% magic do at end game dps? Like if I have a spell that hits for 10k, how much harder will it hit with 10% more magicka?

I'm looking to make a magicka NB, but I'm torn between a wood elf and high elf. Now before you tell me that bosmer is for stamina only, a magicka NB uses cloak a lot and the stealth passive is great for that. The lack of magicka regen racial won't be an issue since next update nb's get 15% more magicka regen and I'm going vampire. But how much sustain dps am I giving up by not having Gift of Magnus?

Nestor · August 2015

You can kind of do the math even with the console interface. It will require a respec of your attributes. Put in 85% of the Magic Points you have, then look at the damage the skill will do, then add in the last 15% and see the difference.

As for DPS, there are two ways to look at that. NB are all about the Burst. They can set up for insane opening attacks, as long as a rat does not intercept this of course. The problem is sustaining the damage out put as you use up magic, and keeping your health up too. Me, I follow the old adage, kill them before they can kill me.

To help with your DPS over time, resource managment, not how much resources you have is the key. Sure, a bigger pool of magic will allow you to last longer, but reduced spell cost and regen buffs will help more so than what you start with.

QuebraRegra · August 2015

What's going on with all the Magicka NB all of the sudden? Did I miss the memo?

I started a BRETON NB a while back as a change from my BOSMER ST NB. I made him primarily as an off healer, support. Maybe I'm playing it wrong, but I find NO burst whatsoever in this character... Certainly not like with the ST NB and stealth.

I enjoy playing him in groups, as support, and he definitely has better survivability than my ST, (resto staff). I just don't feel like the dmg is comparable to ST, and few MAGICKA NB class spells get a crit from stealth like most of the ST skills seem to.

Take FUNNEL HEALTH, or CRIPPLE for instance... they don't seem to crit even from SHADOWY DISGUISE.

The ST NB get's the burst from stealth crits, the Magicka NB is pretty flat on damage. I have always assumed maximum magicka from BRETON was better for a quicker kill, versus worrying about resource management (I don't often run dry with my buffs).

Nestor · August 2015

I could not sustain my Stamina NB, so I put him back into Magic where he started. He is also a Breton.

Yes, the Burst is down, but it is still the core of the tactics. Set your self up for an opening move, and take your shot. However now, it is Crowd Control that you use to after the opener. Refreshing Path, Shades, Fear, Cloak (not a control directly but a way to get the mob to drop aggro and set up another critical opener)

I do miss dearly my 1.5 Hybrid NB.

MrGrimey · August 2015

Nestor wrote: »

You can kind of do the math even with the console interface. It will require a respec of your attributes. Put in 85% of the Magic Points you have, then look at the damage the skill will do, then add in the last 15% and see the difference.

As for DPS, there are two ways to look at that. NB are all about the Burst. They can set up for insane opening attacks, as long as a rat does not intercept this of course. The problem is sustaining the damage out put as you use up magic, and keeping your health up too. Me, I follow the old adage, kill them before they can kill me.

To help with your DPS over time, resource managment, not how much resources you have is the key. Sure, a bigger pool of magic will allow you to last longer, but reduced spell cost and regen buffs will help more so than what you start with.

Thanks for the idea!

Did some testing like you said, turns out 10% more magicka is a bigger deal than I thought. All abilities did about 4-6% more damage with 10% more magicka, not to mention the bigger magicka pool that it gives and how that passive also scales with magicka consumables and buffs. Vs the 10% extra damage that bosmer passive gives only while stealthed, I'd say that Breton and High elf is the clear winner for a magicka NB. I thought that I was on to something, but guess not

Anorak · August 2015

If you want to go invis a lot I imagine its a pvp build but considering all your damage is magic the increased magica will allow you to do the most damage in pve and pvp. I think high elf is a better race choice, but you can still do bosmer if you would like as there are bonuses to the stealth passives and having more stamina. (even on a magic build)

Also in terms of giving up the magnus set it is fine as you begin to get more CP which will allow you to sustain without magica regen bonuses on your armor. Make sure to go reduced cost on rings and necklace tho as the legendary enchants will lower each ability by 200 each. 600 magica will be saved for every ability so it helps with sustain a lot

QuebraRegra · August 2015

Nestor wrote: »

I could not sustain my Stamina NB, so I put him back into Magic where he started. He is also a Breton.

Yes, the Burst is down, but it is still the core of the tactics. Set your self up for an opening move, and take your shot. However now, it is Crowd Control that you use to after the opener. Refreshing Path, Shades, Fear, Cloak (not a control directly but a way to get the mob to drop aggro and set up another critical opener)

I do miss dearly my 1.5 Hybrid NB.

This is interesting... I would really like to understand how to crit with a spell, because I'm just not seeing it happen. From stealth, most spells have a travel time so I'm effectively unstealthed/uncloaked BEFORE the hit, so there's no crit there, hence no real way to get a DMG multiplier on an opening attack like with a stamina NB.

Exactly what magicka attacks can make use of the crit from SHADOWY DISGUISE if any? What from simply being hidden? Someone please tell me. Right now I find DARK CLOAK DOT remover to be invaluable, but I could employ PURGE instead to make use of the SHADOWY DISGUISE perk, if it worked.

MrGrimey has the good stats... MAX is definitely the way to go for increased DMG.

chevalierknight · August 2015

QuebraRegra wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

I could not sustain my Stamina NB, so I put him back into Magic where he started. He is also a Breton.

Yes, the Burst is down, but it is still the core of the tactics. Set your self up for an opening move, and take your shot. However now, it is Crowd Control that you use to after the opener. Refreshing Path, Shades, Fear, Cloak (not a control directly but a way to get the mob to drop aggro and set up another critical opener)

I do miss dearly my 1.5 Hybrid NB.

This is interesting... I would really like to understand how to crit with a spell, because I'm just not seeing it happen. From stealth, most spells have a travel time so I'm effectively unstealthed/uncloaked BEFORE the hit, so there's no crit there, hence no real way to get a DMG multiplier on an opening attack like with a stamina NB.

Exactly what magicka attacks can make use of the crit from SHADOWY DISGUISE if any? What from simply being hidden? Someone please tell me. Right now I find DARK CLOAK DOT remover to be invaluable, but I could employ PURGE instead to make use of the SHADOWY DISGUISE perk, if it worked.

MrGrimey has the good stats... MAX is definitely the way to go for increased DMG.

You cant get stealth damage from spells or conceled weapon and stealth damage is not a crit you only get stealth damage if you hit the target in the back and its a 3x damage spells cant stealth hit

ANd the cloak make any next attack crit even if it has travel

Nestor · August 2015

QuebraRegra wrote: »

This is interesting... I would really like to understand how to crit with a spell, because I'm just not seeing it happen. From stealth, most spells have a travel time so I'm effectively unstealthed/uncloaked BEFORE the hit, so there's no crit there, hence no real way to get a DMG multiplier on an opening attack like with a stamina NB.

Exactly what magicka attacks can make use of the crit from SHADOWY DISGUISE if any?

I use Cloak, from behind or slightly to the side, then Veiled Strike, which is stamina so it works, then use skills that do more damage to off balance enemies. From there what ever rotation I can figure out. But usually anything solo is near dead if not dead after one or two off balance skill spams. I am talking the big mobs like Daedroths and Trolls and Atronachs (well, Storms can take some whittling down)

Its the groups that give me fits. My NB is the only character I have that can't solo public dungeons near level.