ZOS....please make non-cp campaigns......and yes I know this has been said before

markt84 · August 2015

I know has been said before, but I would love for this to happen. And I don't think they ever have is a response, and if they have I've missed it. So feel free to let me know if they have gave us a response to this

You don't have to "fix" the champion point system, heck you don't even have to touch the system. Just allow us the play without them. Can't speak for ps and PC, but on x1 na, there are 3 non-vet campaign not even use. Please convert those to non-cp. Then this will no longer be a discussion in the forum. It could be that hard, and you 1.5 months before IC comes out to make it happen. More and more original players are now hitting v ranks so there is no longer and need for that many non vet campaigns. I have also seen guy say they wish they could stay in non-vet, well this is essentially the same thing. The vet ranks isn't what's making players op, it's the CPs, so those players won't feel so over whelmed.

Please make this happen before IC

egan_ESO · August 2015

I don't see this happening - to create a campaign that has its own set of rules... that is a slippery slope.

I'm going to wager that build plays a larger role than Champion Points as well. There is usually a flavor of the month, currently it is heavy shielded Sorcs on PS4 that are already getting nerfed in the IC patch.

People on voice chat always rant and rave - "That guy must be cheating!" "He must be a PC transfer!" etc. The nuts and bolts of it though is just - the game isn't balanced and some min maxed classes need to be nerfed.

QuebraRegra · August 2015

why not try a server for a test period at least? Run it for a few weeks, see how popular it might be. Minimal effort to make happen on virtual system.

There are plenty of bork'd "exploits" in the game aside from CP that need proper balancing, but it would seem that a simple NO CP campaign would be easy to implement for at least a trial. The CP heavy reliant may not like it, but they have all the other servers yes?

i predict at some point, allowing CP in the non-vet campaigns will be come a growing issue (from those who might grief for YOUTUBE fandom, etc.

BEZDNA · August 2015

ZOS plz make non-sorc compain

markt84 · August 2015

egan_ESO wrote: »

I don't see this happening - to create a campaign that has its own set of rules... that is a slippery slope.

I'm going to wager that build plays a larger role than Champion Points as well. There is usually a flavor of the month, currently it is heavy shielded Sorcs on PS4 that are already getting nerfed in the IC patch.

People on voice chat always rant and rave - "That guy must be cheating!" "He must be a PC transfer!" etc. The nuts and bolts of it though is just - the game isn't balanced and some min maxed classes need to be nerfed.

Non vet already exists (you know with their own rules), how hard could it possiblely be to convert a few of the non-vet campaigns into non-cp campaigns. I mean doing this would stop all the chatter about CPs instantly. The cp grinders have their place to go and no need to touch their precious (even tho they don't make a different right) CPs system. Everyone is happy and unused campaigns now Have a purpose

QuebraRegra · August 2015

Those who rely on the CP crutch to beat all the "scrubs" will not be o.k. with this this common sense no cost idea.

markt84 · August 2015

QuebraRegra wrote: »

Those who rely on the CP crutch to beat all the "scrubs" will not be o.k. with this this common sense no cost idea.

Hahaha right. But they don't make a difference, and it's all about skill right? So they can test their skills against people with equal CPs, I'm sorry I mean skill. Then they will cry about their ghost towns and all they have to do is strip away their skill, I mean CPs, and actually see how good they are.

Now I'm not saying do this for PC, I have no idea about the PvP dynamic on PC. I'm talking about consoles, because that's the PvP dynamic I have experience with

QuebraRegra · August 2015

I also suspect the greater numbers will migrate to NO CP campaigns, the same way soo many make alts to remain on NON-VET.

I suspect the battle leveling in the next patch might help some tho.

ZOS_RichLambert · August 2015

/lurk

markt84 · August 2015

QuebraRegra wrote: »

I also suspect the greater numbers will migrate to NO CP campaigns, the same way soo many make alts to remain on NON-VET.

I suspect the battle leveling in the next patch might help some tho.

Let them migrate, they won't be able to hide behind their CPs and call it skill. It will be more of a balanced battlefield. And again, no one will be talking about CPs in this forum anymore. And no one will be saying its a broken system that needs fixed, because there will no longer be a problem to fix. This is really too easy of a solution to fix the CPs to not do. Like I said 3 non-vet campaigns completely empty during the peek gaming hours. And if it becomes the popular PvP campaigns start converting more to it.

Come on zos too simple not to do this

NewBlacksmurf · August 2015

QuebraRegra wrote: »

I also suspect the greater numbers will migrate to NO CP campaigns, the same way soo many make alts to remain on NON-VET.

I suspect the battle leveling in the next patch might help some tho.

To be 100% honest Cyrodil should be only 10-50 and exclude VET and CP benefits. (VR peeps can go but they'd be level 50)

Just being brutally honest as this VR and CP stuff is crazy.
I like the CP stuff but I'm heavily into PvE so it helps me and others vs in PvP causing concerns.
VR levels....don't get me started.

Basically Cyrodil should have:
- One big campaign for 7 days (no CP or VR benefits)
- For other PvP stuff there should be an arena area for 4v4v4 and 1v1 (no CP or VR benefits)
- Battle grounds 1/3 the size of Cyrodil that lasts no longer than 1 hour by level range 10-19, 20-29, 30-39

Just seems very simple to remove the issues by making it plain.
Adjust the campaigns that exist into something like the ideas above and move on

mrskinskull · August 2015

markt84 wrote: »

egan_ESO wrote: »

I don't see this happening - to create a campaign that has its own set of rules... that is a slippery slope.

I'm going to wager that build plays a larger role than Champion Points as well. There is usually a flavor of the month, currently it is heavy shielded Sorcs on PS4 that are already getting nerfed in the IC patch.

People on voice chat always rant and rave - "That guy must be cheating!" "He must be a PC transfer!" etc. The nuts and bolts of it though is just - the game isn't balanced and some min maxed classes need to be nerfed.

Non vet already exists (you know with their own rules), how hard could it possiblely be to convert a few of the non-vet campaigns into non-cp campaigns. I mean doing this would stop all the chatter about CPs instantly. The cp grinders have their place to go and no need to touch their precious (even tho they don't make a different right) CPs system. Everyone is happy and unused campaigns now Have a purpose

I'm sure if non vets can be buffed up, vets can he bumped down easily.

And yes, people would find loop holes but a victory on a non cp server would be a more respectable and decisive victory.

Cps are a bit like training wheels. How can players even tell if they are any good with hundreds of passive points nudging even their new characters into victory like a loving father helping his child to ride a bike for the first time.

Except in the case of cps its more like daddy pedals for his sweet little princess,

Robbmrp · August 2015

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

/lurk

One way to make everyone "equal" as far as CP goes for PVP, would be to make Champion Points only apply in PVE.....

No catch up mechanic needed.....

"drops mic"

"walks off"......

Kloud · August 2015

It would defeat the purpose of there whole entire system

markt84 · August 2015

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

QuebraRegra wrote: »

I also suspect the greater numbers will migrate to NO CP campaigns, the same way soo many make alts to remain on NON-VET.

I suspect the battle leveling in the next patch might help some tho.

To be 100% honest Cyrodil should be only 10-50 and exclude VET and CP benefits. (VR peeps can go but they'd be level 50)

Just being brutally honest as this VR and CP stuff is crazy.
I like the CP stuff but I'm heavily into PvE so it helps me and others vs in PvP causing concerns.
VR levels....don't get me started.

Basically Cyrodil should have:
- One big campaign for 7 days (no CP or VR benefits)
- For other PvP stuff there should be an arena area for 4v4v4 and 1v1 (no CP or VR benefits)
- Battle grounds 1/3 the size of Cyrodil that lasts no longer than 1 hour by level range 10-19, 20-29, 30-39

Just seems very simple to remove the issues by making it plain.
Adjust the campaigns that exist into something like the ideas above and move on

I see nothing wrong with vet ranks in PvP. Non vets get that huge magic, stam, and health boost. Once you hit vet it's all you. And you get better gear and weapons along the way. Nothing wrong at all with vet. The size of cyrodil is awesome, love it, gives plenty of room to fight and forces armies to split and fight on multiple fronts, and far enough away to not hurry from one fight to the other. And for 1v1v1 or 4v4v4, yeah that might be cool, but there is no need for that today. That can be fore a future dlc. I mean they gotta have other things to add later on

Armitas · August 2015

If you make a non CP campaign expect it to be filled with sharks who smell blood. It will be a feeding frenzy.

Aunatar · August 2015

I would support either a non PvP campaign (so you can choose to avoid your too low/too high CP, if you don't want advantage/disadvantage) or a CP season cap with some catch up mechanics that were already discussed on the forum (like until 100 CP they cost only a few XP, then 200 and the XP required go up, etc)
I would honestly play both types of campaigns.

Joy_Division · August 2015

Can you make non CP DSA and Trials leaderboards too? Not being facetious....

markt84 · August 2015

Kloud wrote: »

It would defeat the purpose of there whole entire system

How? You can still earn them, you can just choose not to use them to play in a non-cp campaign. And if you do want to use them you can play in the normal campaign and it doesn't effect you 1 bit. If it becomes the preferred PvP campaign then obviously that's the way the people want to play it. And again, doesn't hurt the people that like their CPs at all. And you want to play in a non cp campaign, you can, just clear your CPs

NewBlacksmurf · August 2015

So maybe.
Non CP Cyrodil as is
Non CP and Non VR Cyrodil
Cyrodil bgs by lvl range

markt84 · August 2015

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

So maybe.
Non CP Cyrodil as is
Non CP and Non VR Cyrodil
Cyrodil bgs by lvl range

This will eventually defeat the need for non-vet and puts them 1 step closer to getting rid of vets all together, like is zos plan anyways

NewBlacksmurf · August 2015

markt84 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

So maybe.
Non CP Cyrodil as is
Non CP and Non VR Cyrodil
Cyrodil bgs by lvl range

This will eventually defeat the need for non-vet and puts them 1 step closer to getting rid of vets all together, like is zos plan anyways

Yep. Trying to push the envelope :-)

Woman · August 2015

I'll be honest, I don't like the idea of a Non-CP campaign that allows Vets in it. CP is a system that was created to replace the Veteran system and taking it out of the mix for PvPers will negate the entire reason for adding CP to the game in the first place. To repeate what @egan_ESO said, it's a slippery slope for having campaigns with specific themes that don't allow certain things. Nightblades are right now overpowered in PvP, why not a Non-NB campaign? Not all players can afford purple & gold gear, why not a campaign that only allows whites/greens/blues? Obviously that's ridiculous but I believe the same logic applies.

There are certainly inbalances to the CP system, but that needs to be fixed for everyone- PvE'rs too.

However CP needs to be removed from the Non-Vet campaign. On PC there is only one campaign for that, Blackwater Blade. That's a must that we can hopefuly all agree on.

Gidorick · August 2015

I dunno if we need more ways to splinter the player base but... whatever gets us pass this whole CP mess I'm for.

I do think the comment that CP shouldn't be a factor in non-vet Cyrodiil makes sense. That way long-time players cant just up and use their CPs to have really powerful lower level characters to pummel those without CP.

CaptainObvious · August 2015

While you are at it, make campaigns where add-ons are disabled as well. There is value to fog of war.

BaconMagic · August 2015

Two campaigns. Simplify. Normal campaign is non-vet, no CP. Other is Champion Campaign, any lvl with CP active. Boom. Done.

markt84 · August 2015

Woman wrote: »

I'll be honest, I don't like the idea of a Non-CP campaign that allows Vets in it. CP is a system that was created to replace the Veteran system and taking it out of the mix for PvPers will negate the entire reason for adding CP to the game in the first place. To repeate what @egan_ESO said, it's a slippery slope for having campaigns with specific themes that don't allow certain things. Nightblades are right now overpowered in PvP, why not a Non-NB campaign? Not all players can afford purple & gold gear, why not a campaign that only allows whites/greens/blues? Obviously that's ridiculous but I believe the same logic applies.

There are certainly inbalances to the CP system, but that needs to be fixed for everyone- PvE'rs too.

However CP needs to be removed from the Non-Vet campaign. On PC there is only one campaign for that, Blackwater Blade. That's a must that we can hopefuly all agree on.

Hahaha come on dude really? Who is asking for non- sorc campaigns and it makes no sense to even ask for that. They already have no vet campaigns. They plan on getting rid of the vet system all together. What do you think will be the logical non normal campaign.....maybe non CPs? So why not do it now? Hahaha non-NB campaigns, dude you're just scared of losing your competive advantage and have to get by with skill, and that terrifies you

dday3six · August 2015

No CP in non-vet makes sense, but non-CP vet campaigns will like turn into zerg ball. It's not going to turn focus on indivdual player skill. It's going to turn focus on being able to collect 24 players who will follow crown's order and spam AOEs.

Funkopotamus · August 2015

markt84 wrote: »

Woman wrote: »

I'll be honest, I don't like the idea of a Non-CP campaign that allows Vets in it. CP is a system that was created to replace the Veteran system and taking it out of the mix for PvPers will negate the entire reason for adding CP to the game in the first place. To repeate what @egan_ESO said, it's a slippery slope for having campaigns with specific themes that don't allow certain things. Nightblades are right now overpowered in PvP, why not a Non-NB campaign? Not all players can afford purple & gold gear, why not a campaign that only allows whites/greens/blues? Obviously that's ridiculous but I believe the same logic applies.

There are certainly inbalances to the CP system, but that needs to be fixed for everyone- PvE'rs too.

However CP needs to be removed from the Non-Vet campaign. On PC there is only one campaign for that, Blackwater Blade. That's a must that we can hopefuly all agree on.

Hahaha come on dude really? Who is asking for non- sorc campaigns and it makes no sense to even ask for that. They already have no vet campaigns. They plan on getting rid of the vet system all together. What do you think will be the logical non normal campaign.....maybe non CPs? So why not do it now? Hahaha non-NB campaigns, dude you're just scared of losing your competive advantage and have to get by with skill, and that terrifies you

^^ Agree..

Just get rid of the CP problems by giving us a few campaigns that are CP free and I will be happy.

J2JMC · August 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

I dunno if we need more ways to splinter the player base but... whatever gets us pass this whole CP mess I'm for.

I do think the comment that CP shouldn't be a factor in non-vet Cyrodiil makes sense. That way long-time players cant just up and use their CPs to have really powerful lower level characters to pummel those without CP.

As a ck2 player, fog of war never prevented me from seeing things pertaining to my own character like ZOS does. People wouldn't use add-ons if ZOS gave people full information about their characters instead of trying to hide things. Hiding some stats but not others makes no sense. What about seeing armor pen or crit damage multiplier makes the game unfair as opposed to seeing weapon damage?

By the way I'm not saying all add-ons are good. I do feel some of them(Master Merchant) circumvent systems that ZOS purposely put in place to tailor a specific gameplay experience. In that same breath, I feel master merchant does provide certain ui functionalities that should be present in the game for convenience.

As far as CP goes, I'd rather they fix the system instead of doing little things like a seasonal cap or non-cp campaigns. Those will make the forum happy for about a month. What about the future of the game when the entire end-game progression will seemingly be entirely cp based since they are supposedly removing vr's?

pppontus · August 2015

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