Why are people accused of acting "entitled" so often?

Azurulia · August 2015

Well, seeing as no one else is stepping forth to jump in the fire pit, I will.

The mention of "entitlement" pops up so often due to how demanding and expecting people tend to be with things, particularly with suggestions or complaints. like they have to have it a certain way or it's impossible.

Reason being, is they are so used to things being a certain way, or having certain things, they feel "entitled" to have them now. That it's some great injustice to them that they cannot or do not have these things available to them. This is one of the fatal flaws be hind "everyone's a winner" or "everyone gets a bite of the apple" that it creates people to become entitled to having things simply given to them or expected to have them.

en·ti·tle·ment
inˈtīdlmənt,enˈtīdlmənt/
noun

the fact of having a right to something.
"full entitlement to fees and maintenance should be offered"
synonyms: right, prerogative, claim; More

the amount to which a person has a right.
"annual leave entitlement"
synonyms: right, prerogative, claim; More

the belief that one is inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment.
"no wonder your kids have a sense of entitlement"

"This guy gets 'x'? Well, I want 'x' too." or "That game had 'y', how come this game doesn't have 'y'?" and so on. This is entitlement. People feeling or expecting that they should have, or things be a certain way, different from what they are because of what they have previously played, received or known to be.

Over the years, developers have given more and more to the player for less and less, making it easier and easier for them. Players have become used to this special treatment. ESO has a lot of older themes to it, not carrying on many of the luxuries more recent mmo's have. This breeds threads of people mentioning "we should have this, or that." or "Why don't we have this or that? we should have them." When in reality, they are simply that, luxuries; not necessities.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we should all be expected to go back to the stone age era of gaming, just that newer is not always better. With so much instant gratification and developers appealing so heavily to it, it has poisoned some of the aspects that made MMO', MMO's. Such as cutting out a lot of character interaction, and having to do a bit of leg work to find sellers or buyers or asking around for thing. Players have become so used to having tools in front of them, that if they cannot press a button and immediately have what they want or are looking for, it is instantly dismissed as "bad game mechanics" or "Bad design" When in reality, it's not. They are just used to being pampered and not having to really work for anything anymore. (or ever if it's the younger generation of gamer.)

This is why people like myself say "Op is acting way too entailed" etc. to suggestions, complaints, and thoughts about bringing in these luxuries that they do not have here, into this game. Because getting everything you want and making everything easy is not always for the best. Look at World of Warcraft for a fantastic example of what happens when you appeal to instant gratification and those who "Work 40 hours a week and just want to play to relax." You get an easy, boring game that is fun for a few weeks, then are left with nothing let to do, because you already did everything due to how easy it is to do and access.

these "Gated contents" that people so lovely like to use are actually very important for the longevity of a game, people just don't like it because they want what they want now, sooner not later. Players not used to this or that don't like it will scream and shot, and use any number of "buzz words" to try to explain why this is wrong or bad, simply because they don't like it or disagree with it.

In the end, older is not always bad, and newer is not always good. While people may tell me to put down my rose colored glasses, I say suck it up, butter cup, and stop acting so spoiled and entitled to luxuries and special treatment.

Which brings us back to the use of entitlement. I'm not saying you have to agree with it, simply that I believe this is what many of use who do use the word entitlement around here mean by it. Of course, I cannot speak for everyone. For everyone that dislikes the use of people saying entitlement, there are just as many who dislike the complaints, suggestions and thoughts of those same people.

Which ever you agree with doesn't make you right or wrong, just that it is what you feel is right. This is why opinions can be so intense or heated. We are talking about beliefs, and people get their jimmies rustled when something goes against their beliefs (myself included.)

Humans are very fickle and stubborn by nature and don't always see eye to eye with one another. It's how we will likely always be as well.

Bromburak · August 2015

Several others have made similar threads and received the exact same treatment from this community.

You might didn't realize it , but statements like this are not very smart or mature enough to start serious discussions.

1. Statement trying to find excuses and blaming others for not being heard or ignored
2. Statement leaves the impression this is a community standard (very disrespectful)
3. When there are several similar threads why do the next 100 people need their own thread?

I am just saying, many readers would come to a similar conclusion.
Now I ask you, how can you expect respect or a friendly response after statements like this?

Vizier · August 2015

Well...your definitely not a lazy writer. :-/

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO · August 2015

Some people feel entitled because they still sub the game, even though they don't need to.

Here is a good example,

I have subbed the game since early access on PC and still do..

I also play the game on PS4 and guess what I am subbed there too..

I have a 2nd PC account which I am not subbed too.. not yet..

So all in all I pay approx. $30 a month for this one game , when I actually do not have too (and I also buy extra crowns on the side for stuff as well but I wont get into that) but I do this because I want the game to survive, get better and thrive so I can and many others that I am friends with keep playing it..

But when I find issues with the game or something that could possibly be a issue, I make a thread on these Forums, and I ask for clarification, like for example this one,

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/203313/shade-in-the-shadow-constellation-in-the-champion-system

but for some reason I never get answers.. I get upset at that.. I actually care for the game and I give money to the game, this is where my Entitlement comes from when it comes to this game but that is about it..

Other than that I try to be respectful to almost everyone (sorry if I killed you in PvP) I run across in game and will usually help anyone in game if I can..

CapnPhoton · August 2015

Its the manner in which they make the comment or reply to the thread. Are they being constructive, or insulting and fussy? There is way too many posts that are mostly just insulting, with no real focus other than middle school level anger.

DaveTheMinion · August 2015

The fact is everyone is entitled to their opinion and we should all be aware that not everyone is going to agree.

The hardest word to hear is NO!

RSram · August 2015

The answer to your OP is complicated:

From my observations (from reading the comments on the ESO forums since beta ) is that the players can generally be divided into two groups: the casuals and the enthusiasts. For a variety of valid reasons, the casuals don't spend as much time playing and learning the game as much as the enthusiast. Therefore, the enthusiast tend to dominate the PVE veteran dungeons, trials, and PVP components of the game due to how the rewards system is currently implemented in ESO. Within these two groups are those who favor MMOs and those who favor single player games; and within these groups are those who believe in a socialist rewarding systems and those believe in a capitalist one; and within these groups there are those who are tolerant of opposing opinions and those who are not.

Unless the person posting the hateful comment explains the logic behind his hateful statement, you will never know the answer to your question.

The best defense against a hateful post is not to respond to it; ignore it and move on to the more constructive ones.

An MMO is microcosm of the real world and players who are easily offended by negative comments should avoid the forums, avoid grouping, close the chat windows, turn off the VOIP, and just be content with PVE questing!

PBpsy · August 2015

It is a relatively recent American fad for people between 35 and dead.It is not only related to gaming it's almost anything. Kids these days and all that. Don't take it serious, it will pass.

Funny thing is that most of the people that like to throw the word around every chance they get, don't quite know what it even means..

Molag_Crow · August 2015

Agreed, OP!

BigInGlenumbra · August 2015

It's the current, hip tumblr word to dismiss any opposition that now many people use.

As if being entitled isn't justified to a certain extent. As a consumer, if you are not at least somewhat entitled you're just pathetic and have no respect for yourself.

F7sus4 · August 2015

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

Alcohol is one of the commonest "removers" of frontal lobe based behaviour inhibitions, both long term and short term.

In real life, yes. In the internet it's just the feeling of being anonymous - standing behind a untouchable barrier of your monitor while talking to a random depersonificated phrase-generator showing up on your screen. Also social approval and social exposition factors.

Rylana · August 2015

Those that use the word entitled are just mad they didnt make the thread first.

Its butthurt and they secretly agree with whoever they are calling on it.

At the end of the day, forum people tend towards the nastier side of humanity, and you learn to loathe them for all their cuddliness.

Cherryblossom · August 2015

Stop acting so Entitled!

But seriously, it's a method used by those who are unable to articulate an argument against your view point.

You find it everywhere in life, if you can't find a good argument against someone elses viewpoint, attack that person and demonise them, rather than accept they have a good point.

Azurulia · August 2015

Vizier wrote: »

Well...your definitely not a lazy writer. :-/

Not sure if you are saying that in regards to my post. Because I actually am a writer, and a literary editor. My grammar and punctuation suck, however my main focus in my work is story elements such as plot, pacing, flow, characters and character development. blah blah blah. But nobody here cares about any of that.

However the OP structures his posts very well too, so who knows. Thoughtful writing goes a long way in discussions. At the very least it is thought provoking.

Cherryblossom wrote: »

Stop acting so Entitled!

But seriously, it's a method used by those who are unable to articulate an argument against your view point.

You find it everywhere in life, if you can't find a good argument against someone elses viewpoint, attack that person and demonise them, rather than accept they have a good point.

Hey, I used it and make a large argument about it. Going so far as to why it's used as well in my post.

BigInGlenumbra wrote: »

It's the current, hip tumblr word to dismiss any opposition that now many people use.

As if being entitled isn't justified to a certain extent. As a consumer, if you are not at least somewhat entitled you're just pathetic and have no respect for yourself.

The same can be said if you are too entitled. You could argue one to be arrogant, spoiled or even clueless depending on how they carry themselves and the context.

Milktray · August 2015

Some of us feel mmo's give enough, we grew up with Ultima Online and are used to using tools outside the game to communicate with others .. ICU comes to mind (it was THAT long ago some of us started mmo's lol)

So we do not feel that so much is needed, we knew what we were buying before purchase, we researched, beta etc etc and are ok with things (mostly)

So when ppl start with 'well wow has .. ' etc or the research times (when we have played EVE Online so used to a hell of a lot longer research)

It can come across as 'entitled' .. just because every other game has x,y,z .. doesn't mean this needs it or was designed with it in mind

But some feel that as the other games they like have a feature, this should have it

Cherryblossom · August 2015

Azurulia wrote: »

Well, seeing as no one else is stepping forth to jump in the fire pit, I will.

The mention of "entitlement" pops up so often due to how demanding and expecting people tend to be with things, particularly with suggestions or complaints. like they have to have it a certain way or it's impossible.

Reason being, is they are so used to things being a certain way, or having certain things, they feel "entitled" to have them now. That it's some great injustice to them that they cannot or do not have these things available to them. This is one of the fatal flaws be hind "everyone's a winner" or "everyone gets a bite of the apple" that it creates people to become entitled to having things simply given to them or expected to have them.

en·ti·tle·ment
inˈtīdlmənt,enˈtīdlmənt/
noun

the fact of having a right to something.
"full entitlement to fees and maintenance should be offered"
synonyms: right, prerogative, claim; More

the amount to which a person has a right.
"annual leave entitlement"
synonyms: right, prerogative, claim; More

the belief that one is inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment.
"no wonder your kids have a sense of entitlement"

Humans are very fickle and stubborn by nature and don't always see eye to eye with one another. It's how we will likely always be as well.

You have the definition of Entitlement but don't seem to understand it in conjunction with what the OP is saying.

Believing that something within the game does not work for themselves and others is not entitlement, as they are not demanding or stating they have a right to something different. They are requesting a change which sometimes like the OP they give their reasons for the change.

This is opening a discussion into how game play effects how individuals play, by opening it to discussion you are expecting to get those people who have differing views, it is up to those people to explain why either their idea is better or why the current system works better. Only through the discussion can you get a clear idea of views and may be in a position to change things for the better. There is no entitlement to look for change for the better.

But there are things we are Entitled to, the game working as intended....

Sacadon · August 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

In the context of games, I consider someone to be entitled when they want everything handed to them without having to put in any effort. There are a lot of posts on the forums that amount to that.

^^

Sharee · August 2015

Azurulia wrote: »

Well, seeing as no one else is stepping forth to jump in the fire pit, I will.

The mention of "entitlement" pops up so often due to how demanding and expecting people tend to be with things, particularly with suggestions or complaints. like they have to have it a certain way or it's impossible.

Reason being, is they are so used to things being a certain way, or having certain things, they feel "entitled" to have them now. That it's some great injustice to them that they cannot or do not have these things available to them. This is one of the fatal flaws be hind "everyone's a winner" or "everyone gets a bite of the apple" that it creates people to become entitled to having things simply given to them or expected to have them.

en·ti·tle·ment
inˈtīdlmənt,enˈtīdlmənt/
noun

the fact of having a right to something.
"full entitlement to fees and maintenance should be offered"
synonyms: right, prerogative, claim; More

the amount to which a person has a right.
"annual leave entitlement"
synonyms: right, prerogative, claim; More

the belief that one is inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment.
"no wonder your kids have a sense of entitlement"

"This guy gets 'x'? Well, I want 'x' too." or "That game had 'y', how come this game doesn't have 'y'?" and so on. This is entitlement. People feeling or expecting that they should have, or things be a certain way, different from what they are because of what they have previously played, received or known to be.

Over the years, developers have given more and more to the player for less and less, making it easier and easier for them. Players have become used to this special treatment. ESO has a lot of older themes to it, not carrying on many of the luxuries more recent mmo's have. This breeds threads of people mentioning "we should have this, or that." or "Why don't we have this or that? we should have them." When in reality, they are simply that, luxuries; not necessities.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we should all be expected to go back to the stone age era of gaming, just that newer is not always better. With so much instant gratification and developers appealing so heavily to it, it has poisoned some of the aspects that made MMO', MMO's. Such as cutting out a lot of character interaction, and having to do a bit of leg work to find sellers or buyers or asking around for thing. Players have become so used to having tools in front of them, that if they cannot press a button and immediately have what they want or are looking for, it is instantly dismissed as "bad game mechanics" or "Bad design" When in reality, it's not. They are just used to being pampered and not having to really work for anything anymore. (or ever if it's the younger generation of gamer.)

This is why people like myself say "Op is acting way too entailed" etc. to suggestions, complaints, and thoughts about bringing in these luxuries that they do not have here, into this game. Because getting everything you want and making everything easy is not always for the best. Look at World of Warcraft for a fantastic example of what happens when you appeal to instant gratification and those who "Work 40 hours a week and just want to play to relax." You get an easy, boring game that is fun for a few weeks, then are left with nothing let to do, because you already did everything due to how easy it is to do and access.

these "Gated contents" that people so lovely like to use are actually very important for the longevity of a game, people just don't like it because they want what they want now, sooner not later. Players not used to this or that don't like it will scream and shot, and use any number of "buzz words" to try to explain why this is wrong or bad, simply because they don't like it or disagree with it.

In the end, older is not always bad, and newer is not always good. While people may tell me to put down my rose colored glasses, I say suck it up, butter cup, and stop acting so spoiled and entitled to luxuries and special treatment.

Which brings us back to the use of entitlement. I'm not saying you have to agree with it, simply that I believe this is what many of use who do use the word entitlement around here mean by it. Of course, I cannot speak for everyone. For everyone that dislikes the use of people saying entitlement, there are just as many who dislike the complaints, suggestions and thoughts of those same people.

Which ever you agree with doesn't make you right or wrong, just that it is what you feel is right. This is why opinions can be so intense or heated. We are talking about beliefs, and people get their jimmies rustled when something goes against their beliefs (myself included.)

Humans are very fickle and stubborn by nature and don't always see eye to eye with one another. It's how we will likely always be as well.

Very well said.

Morbash · August 2015

I came up with a system where someone could reduce research time by completing a daily task, thus allowing those who put more effort and commitment into the game to get rewarded

We actually already have that system in place...crafting writs! We just need the research reduction mechanic added. I think this is a great idea, and it would give people a reason to complete their daily crafting writs. I actually quit doing them because most of the time it wasn't worth the materials that I was putting into it.

Tolmos · August 2015

People continue to be called entitled because people continue to REACT to being called entitled. Part of it is hoping to get a reaction out of the other person. Two types of people will generally react the most

1) People who have worked super hard for everything and haven't learned how to deal with the random insanity that is "internet arguments" yet. They are the ones who, upon being confronted, list off their life achievements and derail the entire conversation with talk about who accomplished more in life.

2) People who really are entitled brats, maybe realize it on some subconscious level, and don't want to admit it. The mere accusation stirs up feelings with them because of how close to home it hits with whatever they are doing in their life, and they get wildly upset/become extremely combative.

The rest of us dgaf. It's one of the most overused arguments in the game, and often used by people who are in and of themselves acting "entitled". In fact, this is a video game- any expectation to receive ANYTHING for any reason is being "entitled". Just started the game and expect to be level 50 immediately? You really are "entitled". Just grinding the same mob over and over for 1000 hours and expect to ZOS to make you superior in the game for it? You are also very "entitled".

At the end of the day, your sub earns you the right to log in. At any point, ZOS can terminate that as well. If you don't pay sub, you don't even have that! You don't "deserve" anything else- not instant levels, not extra strength via CP, not some mount or other seniority based reward. You played the game in the way that you CHOSE to play it, and what you get for that is no more tangible, real or "deserved" than I would deserve a million dollars for beating pac-man.

But the truth is? The vast majority of us are really satisfied with our lives outside the game, are just as satisfied with our gaming experiences inside games, and laugh when someone uses the word "entitled" and see it exactly for what it is: someone who has lost the argument and is clinging desperately to some hope that they can derail the conversation before that fact is noticed.

And don't even start me on age comments... it's always someone younger than me by leaps and bounds, who was probably in diapers when I first started MMOing, that tries to call me a kid. =D

Ranique · August 2015

No I don't treat everyone as a spoiled brat that want to things evolve around them. But I do treat you that way cause you are.

You are disrespectfull to other peoples opinions. You keep attacking people that simply disagree with you and you have shown on numerous occasions that your "proposals" just come from learn to play and don't improve the game but make it more handfeeded to your personal needs.

To make my point two threads as an example, both by your hand.
The first is a long rant against ZoS how the game is too hard, cause you couldnt do a quest the normal way, cause you changed your build by putting it all in magicka and nothing in health or any form of self defense.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/203737/master-of-lekis-blade-quest-is-ridiculously-difficult

You got told there by me and others that the quest is actually very easy and it is a matter of learn to play and getting help with your build.

Then a few bits later you start another thread how solo-play is too difficult cause you couldnt kill a bosslike creature.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/204646/suggestion-introduce-a-buff-for-solo-players

There again you are told that the game is allready easy as hell for soloplay and introducing a buff would make it just ridicule!

So if people give decent suggestions based on knowledge of the game, I might dissagree with them (and explain why) , but I would not call them a spoiled kid. In your case it is clearly a lack of knowledge of the game (aka. learn to play). And you wanting ZoS to solve problems only you have! That is the definition of a spoiled kid.

jkemmery · August 2015

There seems to be a segment of the population that likes to use the term "entitled" (incorrectly) as an insult to behavior that they see as being lazy, or wanting things they have not earned.

Being "entitled" to something means that you have a legitimate claim to something, i.e. you have earned that thing. When people start calling other people "entitled" what they mean is that the person thinks they are entitled to something that they are not entitled to. That's why calling someone "entitled" even for wanting something they did not earn, is actually an incorrect usage of the word.

For me it's a really annoying trend in American society today. It's usage seems to be far more common among folks who like to watch Fox News and listen to Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck type radio talk shows.

UrQuan · August 2015

jkemmery wrote: »

There seems to be a segment of the population that likes to use the term "entitled" (incorrectly) as an insult to behavior that they see as being lazy, or wanting things they have not earned.

Being "entitled" to something means that you have a legitimate claim to something, i.e. you have earned that thing. When people start calling other people "entitled" what they mean is that the person thinks they are entitled to something that they are not entitled to. That's why calling someone "entitled" even for wanting something they did not earn, is actually an incorrect usage of the word.

For me it's a really annoying trend in American society today. It's usage seems to be far more common among folks who like to watch Fox News and listen to Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck type radio talk shows.

What you're describing is the difference between acting entitled and actually being entitled.

Sharee · August 2015

jkemmery wrote: »

There seems to be a segment of the population that likes to use the term "entitled" (incorrectly) as an insult to behavior that they see as being lazy, or wanting things they have not earned.

Being "entitled" to something means that you have a legitimate claim to something, i.e. you have earned that thing. When people start calling other people "entitled" what they mean is that the person thinks they are entitled to something that they are not entitled to. That's why calling someone "entitled" even for wanting something they did not earn, is actually an incorrect usage of the word.

For me it's a really annoying trend in American society today. It's usage seems to be far more common among folks who like to watch Fox News and listen to Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck type radio talk shows.

Your definition of entitled is not neccessarily the only one tho:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=entitled

entitled

An attitude, demeanor, or air of rudeness, ingraciousness, or combativeness, especially when making excessive demands for service (usually used following the word "acted")

The foreign student was extremely rude and acted entitled when she came into the International Students Office, snapping her fingers to get the attention of the help desk volunteer.

This rich *** came into the store and acted all entitled, barking commands at me like a butler.

Vampire-Mk2 · August 2015

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

. ALL I WAS DOING WAS MAKING A SUGGESTION, JESUS CHRIST!

Horse hates water
What about the fact that your horse throws you off because of a ***-ING PUDDLE!? DOES IT MAKE ME ENTITLED FOR WANTING THEM TO CHANGE THAT!?

In my opinion when you are trying to make a serious point or want people to answer / reply to you constructively, adding curse or swear words in your post doesn't help your case.

I see what your trying to say but typing jesus christ to make a point or say ****-ing puddle rather than just puddle make's me feel it's more of an angry rant which in turn is going to attract negative comments from people.

newtinmpls · August 2015

iamnotweakrwb17_ESO wrote: »

I definitely would like the crafting research times dropped. 24 - 30 days per 8th and 9th trait is ridiculous

Yup I snipped; because if this is an issue, give the item to an alt with few/no crafting so they can learn it in 6 hours.

Brrrofski · August 2015

Research times do not need to be reduced.

It should take ages to craft superior armor.